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post #31 of 163
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Originally posted by Version
[b]I, like many people have expressed would jump onto HD-DVD when players pass the $500 threshold. I bought a my first DVD player for $475 and that's sounds to be about the range I would make the jump to HD-DVD.

I highly doubt we will be seeing a universal HD player anytime soon. My guess is neither side will license their technology in this way until they are sure that they cannot win the fight outright.

It's speculative but at least one company, Thomson (RCA), is backing
both sides.


http://www.macnewsworld.com/story/Bl...son-38881.html
post #32 of 163
I would pay up to $1000 once the format war is over for a backward compatible player that upscaled older DVDs (and had no macroblocking ;) ).

Hopefully, the HD-DVDs will be between $20-30 each.
post #33 of 163
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Originally posted by pcdoctor
Hey guys, when do you think they will start pulling regular dvds from the shelves for good?
How much do you think HD DVD discs will cost?
I really don't want to pay $30 for a HD DVD.
I assume this will drive down the cost of regular DVDs right?
"Off for good" isn't how you should be measuring it. I predict that the winning format will probably win by the end of the third year -- in other words, by sometime in 2009, we should know which format is going to win the fight. After that is when the studios will begin to release their non-blockbuster backlists in the winning HD format, ant that's when you will start to see the HD format disks taking over the DVD stores.

One fly in the ointment is that both formats have found a method of recording both HD and regular signal DVD on the same disk, so while the format war is going on, the new releases will probably be released as one disk that is both HD and DVD.

I would figure the first sets of releases will cost about as much as a console game. My guess is the first releases will be aimed at the early adoptors and be overpriced. I would say the range between $30 and $45 sounds about right (especially for the more costly-to-produce Blu-ray). New releases in dual format HD/SD might get you a better price -- that of present high-priced DVDs.

Once the format war is over, expect regular DVD prices to drop like a rock. Everyone will be pushing HD format, and very few new releases will come out for DVD format only.
post #34 of 163
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Originally posted by colossus

4) Warner releasing Sopranos on HD-DVD will not get many double-dippers. It looks good on HD, but the price of a double-dip to go from anamorphic DVD-V to HD is not worth it. Same for 'Earth to the Moon', which has an issue with aspect ratio...

5) Universal announcing Apollo 13 in early '06 after announcing a new release for that DVD this summer isn't going to endear anybody either.

I don't see any of this being Big News. I don't think the market will support this to the same degree as DVD-V for a long time to come.
I will 100% for sure buy both all Sopranos and Apollo 13.:D

Per Johnny
post #35 of 163
I think the take off is going to be painstackingly slow unless the discs carry HD DVD and standard DVD versions on the same disc. There are too many people who are still adapting to DVD and stores will be very relunctant to push hard on carrying dual formats in separate sections. I think HD-DVD will be like DVD-A or D-VHS is now. We chat all day long about all this techie stuff, but remember, we are a minority and early adapters. The majority of the population is still watching 4:3 TVs and many still don't even use STB's for digital content and are fine with analog cable.

I've read that HD-DVD can put both versions of a movie on one disc which would be great, so that everyone still in DVD phase can go buy the same movies as us, then when they get their fancy TV and player they can enjoy the discs they already own.

If they go with totally separate discs, I'd look for an extremely slow launch and not much talk about it. Just like D-VHS right now.


Don't mean to sound like a total pessimist, but us tech geeks get wrapped up in our techie worlds and don't realize we are an extreme minority. For instance, I personally know about 7 people who have HDTVs. Only 4 of them actually receive HD content. With upscaling DVD Players being kinda the hot thing right now, I'm the only one of the 7 who actually owns one. I am one of 3 who owns some sort of DVR which is also a hot item.

I do hope HD-DVD takes off pretty quickly but DVD is not going to die anytime soon and we will be the elitists with HD-DVD players for probably at least 3 years.

BTW: I too am skeptical about buying one at the entry price around $1000. I really, really want to jump in early, but I know what ever I buy will have to suffice me for quite a while or my wife will kill me. So I want to make sure I wait long enough to know that the format is going to stick around and it is of a good build quality and has all the features I feel I need. I was a fairly early adapter of DVD, but not super early. I paid about $300 for a player that is probably comparable to a $70 player today.

Oh, one last thing, I wouldn't necessarily ditch your current DVD player when a universal HD DVD player is released. You may find that the universal player is optimized for HD DVD but may only do a mediocre job at standard DVDs. That is why I wanted to pick up a good solid upscaling DVD player now, since I may be still using it a few years from now.

Alright I'm done. Thanks for listening.
post #36 of 163
I'll wait until the HD-DVD players drop to around $200.00. Also they will have the "bugs" out of most of them by then. Never buy anything first generation. That goes for Vehicles as well.

As for the price of the HD movies, there is NO reason they have to be $30.00 to $40.00. That is a gouge! They should be $25.00 and under.
post #37 of 163
Who's got James Bond? Is it Sony or HD-Forum?

I will have to buy all the James Bond movies since i am a huge fan. That way the Entertainment Industry would have accomplished making a complete sucker out of me: I will own every James Bond on VHS, DVD, and HD-DVD:)

Another issue is that I'd really want to read the reviews on each and every movie there if the cost of the dvds would go up to $40. Some movies are just grainy and HD DVD simply won't help these.
post #38 of 163
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Originally posted by mchuckp
I've read that HD-DVD can put both versions of a movie on one disc which would be great, so that everyone still in DVD phase can go buy the same movies as us, then when they get their fancy TV and player they can enjoy the discs they already own.
One week last November, I read that nearly 40% of the hollywood studios had signed on to HD-DVD, and the only thought I had was, "Why would they do that?" Especially when it looked like a hard slogging fight between the two formats. The smart thing would be to release your backlist blockbusters and new releases on all three formats and let the formats declare a winner before releasing the rest of your backlist.

Then about a week later, they announced that HD-DVD could carry both HD and SD DVD formats. Oh, so that's why they did it. This way, they don't have to release on three formats, only one ( or if, Like Disney, they're also supporting Blu-Ray, two formats). But I knew that Blu-Ray would have to follow suit...

And less than a month later, they announced that they had a Blu-Ray disk that contained both a single layer of HD information (25 GB), but also a dual layer of DVD info (8 GB).

HD-DVD will probably have to follow suit again and develop an HD-DVD with a dual layer of SD DVD info.

I imagne they will both announce dual layer HD + dual layer DVD sometime in 2005.

But as it is, the companies who have signed on exclusively only need to release their new releases in one format, and the companies playing the fence only need two (with both dropping DVD for the double-duty HD disks). Those releasing in one format will also be promoting their chosen format because all a consumer who bought one of the new disks needs to do is buy a deck, and that consumer now get's HD quality without needing to rebuy with a new disk. Promotion and sales all at the same time.
post #39 of 163
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Originally posted by tcable
Recall that the Playstation3 is planned to ship with Blu-ray.

For about $300!!!
My thoughts while reading this this thread to a T. Also, if it floats your boat, M$ will be releasing its next-gen console Q4 of 05 with a built in HDDVD player for again ~$300. I really do think that Sony and M$ will set that as their price point. It has been noted time and again the consoles will not sell at anything higher no matter how great they are. I'll be in line for both, just as I did with this generation. Granted the new players wont be top of the line, like the DVD players in the systems today, but for ~$300 I wont complain. Time will tell.......
post #40 of 163
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Originally posted by Workindood
I'll wait until the HD-DVD players drop to around $200.00. Also they will have the "bugs" out of most of them by then. Never buy anything first generation. That goes for Vehicles as well.

As for the price of the HD movies, there is NO reason they have to be $30.00 to $40.00. That is a gouge! They should be $25.00 and under.
Yep, $200 is a nice price for me!
post #41 of 163
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Originally posted by Workindood
As for the price of the HD movies, there is NO reason they have to be $30.00 to $40.00. That is a gouge! They should be $25.00 and under.
Yep, I refuse to pay $40 for a HD DVD.
The only way I'll pay $40 for a dvd is it if a very special box set.
post #42 of 163
Thread Starter 
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Originally posted by MythTrip
It's speculative but at least one company, Thomson (RCA), is backing
both sides.
To clarify, Thomson is supporting disc production for both formats (they effectively have to to maintain their studio contracts), but they are only supporting HD-DVD from an equipment perspective.
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Originally posted by elicross
HD-DVD will probably have to follow suit again and develop an HD-DVD with a dual layer of SD DVD info.

I imagne they will both announce dual layer HD + dual layer DVD sometime in 2005.
Cinram (replicator) just announced a hybrid DVD-9 + HD-DVD-15...it's a flipper (side one is a dual layer DVD, side two is a single layer HD-DVD). There were reports that they had been working on a DVD-9 + HD-DVD-30 variant (dual layer both sides, best of both worlds), but they are keeping quiet for now...apparently the studios aren't asking for it, and it's extremely expensive to pull it off (this is why the DVD-19 flipper failed to gain any marketshare).
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Originally posted by jbh613
M$ will be releasing its next-gen console Q4 of 05 with a built in HDDVD player for again ~$300.
MSFT has not announced support for HD-DVD for Xbox2, although they have been buddy buddy with Toshiba et all at CES press conferences. Who knows...the BDA is also actively trying to court MSFT.
post #43 of 163
Thread Starter 
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Originally posted by pcdoctor
Yep, I refuse to pay $40 for a HD DVD.
Tony: Well I ain't paying no 50 cents for no coke.
Danny: Oh then you ain't getting no coke. Know what I'm talking about?

Ah, is there any conversation Caddyshack can't be worked into?!? :)
post #44 of 163
I'd pay $20-25 for dvds i really really like. If they increase price to 40-50$, ebay will immediately have Chinese dvds of the same movies for $20-25$...
post #45 of 163
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Originally posted by amillians
Tony: Well I ain't paying no 50 cents for no coke.
Danny: Oh then you ain't getting no coke. Know what I'm talking about?

Ah, is there any conversation Caddyshack can't be worked into?!? :)

I think almost all of life can be described or played out in some form through Caddyshack !:D

I'm a nut but I just know I'll spring early if there are titles and quality. I don't think this will be a big mass market item for a few years yet but that sure isn't what this forum has ever been about.

Art
post #46 of 163
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It's speculative but at least one company, Thomson (RCA), is backing
They are supporting both formats but not in one piece of hardware.

I don't believe either side is going to license their technology for this type of universal unit until they are sure they cannot win outright.
post #47 of 163
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Originally posted by absolutic
Who's got James Bond? Is it Sony or HD-Forum?

I will have to buy all the James Bond movies since i am a huge fan. That way the Entertainment Industry would have accomplished making a complete sucker out of me: I will own every James Bond on VHS, DVD, and HD-DVD:)
Sony owns MGM now so all the Bond's will be released on Blu-ray. I too will be purchasing the entire set.
post #48 of 163
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Do you really think the PS3 is going to show up at $300? I wouldn't be surprised if Sony positions it a little higher priced and farther up the living room food chain than the PS2.
You are forgetting that the PS3 will be first and foremost a gaming console not a DVD player. Gamers (like me) will not look at a console that is price higher then $300. I don't how many PS2 fans are out there, $300 is the limit for gaming console. Also, the PS3 is going to be beat onto the market by the Xbox 2 which is looking more like it will sell at a $300 price tag. Sony is not going to dig themselves into a hole by pricing the PS3 higher then the next Xbox. Now they may release two version kinda like the PS2 has now, a basic model mainly for gaming and a high end model like the PSX released in Japan.
post #49 of 163
Or one might have to purchase an extra kit for movie playback.
post #50 of 163
Let's face it PS2 and XBOX suck for DVD playback (especially PS2) and they were introduced well after DVD manufacturers had worked the bugs out. How good do you really think these cheap consoles will be for movie playback in the new formats?
post #51 of 163
Well, I was going to wait, but since I see a Lynch title on that list I guess I'll be springing for an HD-DVD player. As for those of you waiting till players reach the $200 price point, they can't make a good dvd player at that price these days, why do you think an HD one that cheap would be any better? Also, I'll bet indeed the titles will be in the $30-$40 range, as laserdisc were (before we all got spoiled by cheap dvds). Studios consider dvds priced far too low and are going to be more careful in controlling prices as much as they can for hd-dvd so they don't make the same mistake twice.
post #52 of 163
If they get the LOTR trilogy EE, I will have a VERY hard time not jumping in early. I mean, my 9" CRT is just DYING for HighDef!!!

Chris.
post #53 of 163
Pierce (Bond) in HD.
Now that's what I'm talkin' bout.
post #54 of 163
I will wait for for the $19.95 Apex...
post #55 of 163
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Originally posted by ChrisMcCarthy
If they get the LOTR trilogy EE, I will have a VERY hard time not jumping in early. I mean, my 9" CRT is just DYING for HighDef!!!

Chris.
:D :D :D
post #56 of 163
15 GB discs are too small to fit 3 hour + films. If they cram them onto 15 GB releases, then they will have to be filtered, which means they won't be true HD. The 30 GB Duel Layer version of HD-DVD is a must for any long film. That includes BRAVEHEART, which is among the first batch of releases.
post #57 of 163
I must slowly begin trading off my unwatched DVDs and back off a little on the buying. Trust me. I have an extensive collection of LD and when DVD took off, you couldn't give them away. So I kept them. With som many DVDs selling for less than 10 already at walmart, target, etc. It won't take long.
post #58 of 163
Thread Starter 
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Originally posted by n2blu
Sony owns MGM now so all the Bond's will be released on Blu-ray.
Funny you should mention this...Sony *did* mention the words "Bond" and "Blu-ray" in the same sentence this past Wednesday at their CES press pre-briefing.

Unfortunately, the scenario that SCA Chair/CEO Sir Howard Stringer painted was being able to download a Bond film through the soon-to-be-revamped Sony Connect online service (thanks to their MGM purchase), then being able to record it using Blu-ray.

Let's see: 2 hour movie @ 1Mbps, 50GB BD-RE...wow, you can store the entire Bond filmography on one disc...three times over!

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1749042,00.asp
post #59 of 163
Whats the latest word on connectivity with HD players. What are they going to do for the millions of owners of HDTVs that only have component HD inputs?
post #60 of 163
Nothing is my guess.
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