First HD-DVD Titles Announced - Page 3  

i found that the mew PS2's were great a playing DVD's, ps2 model 30001 and up, but the xbox, is horrable, so i've heard.

does anyone have an idea if our current crop of DTS receivers , either plain 5.1 plain vanilla DTS, 6.1 , etc etc. work with the receivers we have now?

I have a DSP-A1 Yamaha that I'm using as my pre/pro and outboarding to an Outlaw 750 for my power.


How will the new HD-DTS codec work our receivers ?

Thanks.
Troy

Damn good question. It will be interesting to see if the support component. My guess is yes.

I'm glad I waited long enough to have DVI and HDMI on my TV. Although, I really wish a had a couple HDMI's.

The XBox is better than the PS2 for DVD playback but still not worth using if you have a decent HD display.

Is HD DVD going to have Regional coding?

This seems to have been a huge failure with std dvd's, and some strange country groupings by regions as well.

Lets hope commonsense prevails.

that is an interesting issue. i once had a discussion with a lawyer from Sony about this as I was one of the early adopters of hdtv with my RPTV having only component inputs. He was involved with Sony's efforts to fight piracy etc... He told me that what they would like to do is to make a dvd-player with only digital outputs (DVI or HDMI) and no component inputs whatsoever so people can't copy the dvds. I said, but what about me and a million of others that bought before DVI/HDCP and HDMI became a standard? He did not seem to care. I told him, listen if you make a player with no component inputs, Chinese will immediately make one with both DVI/HDMI and component.

I think their players will have components but component will be limited to 480p. But that is exactly the same thing - what's the point of buying it for those with component inputs only? I bet some Lasonic Neo Neu Lite On Elta or other Chinese co will make one where you'd be able to hack your way out of this problem.

Oh, lets all get excited! Well........I'm not so sure!

Just don't think even if, your crappy plasma, or even Crt projector can cope with 720p or 1080p at its input, it will look any better, if at all.

Iv'e installed a zillion plasmas CRT's etc. all brands all qualities and they may accept 720p or 1080 but that means virtually nothing these days.
Its all about what the processor in the CRT or plasma does with it once it gets it. And let me tell you its pretty horrifying! Most plasma processors simply don't cope. The pictures tell it all.


My HD titles at 720p (via WMP 10 or HD TV) dont look that much better if at all to, a decent DVD transfer scaled up NOW(today) to 720p.

Even superbit titles which are slightly better are nothing too exciting.
My experience tells me that the transfer is the most important thing. More important than even whether you get it delivered to you in 720p or 1080p! Take a look at the first spiderman on that there low rss DVD. Not bad eh? A good transfer makes all the difference.


I wouldn't get too hyped up if I were you. Most display technology is still sadly lacking.

Blu-ray, HD-DVD.....I can wait.

well the original ps2 had the chroma bug, they seemed to have fixed that, xbox still has it, and the ps2 now has progresive scan, the PS2 dvdplayer is much better then the xbox

Piracy issue isnt with the component video outputs! It is with the cracked CopyProtection.

If they dont have HD component output with a new format, the market will not exist.

Per Johnny

I was reading where there was a lot of pressure to get both sides to compromise. The Consumer Electronics Show was an opportunity to get the two camps together. Boy, we'd all be a lot better of for content if only one format came around sooner than later. I wonder how realistic that is?

NYjerry

There is no way these two will comprimise. Too much $$$ is involved on either end. It is like the NHL. Won't happen soon. My main hope is that Chinese (which make over 70% of all dvd players today) will come up with a player that plays both Blue-Ray and HD-Forum at an affordable price, sort of a Go-Video design.

The chroma bug is the least of the worries on either of these sub standard DVD players.

I'm sure they will still have some form of region coding. I hope so anyway. If not we will be waiting until all international releases of most films are finished before the consumer media versions are made available. Many North American films are released on DVD well before their theatrical runs are over in some regions. The drawback is of course we sometimes have to wait for international releases in the same way.

Sorry, I had attached the wrong link. I've read a couple of articles,
see the one attached, that speculates that by announcing support
of the disc production is a significant step towards supporting the
manufacture of a player that supports both formats.

Also, it's my wishful thinking that at least a few manufacturers will
share this thinking to lessen the risk to them and the consumer.


Jim

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/mytwocentsa97.html#glo

There is no way all the brick and mortor stores are going to support both formats passed initial release. It is way to confusing to consumers and takes up way to much shelf space. Isn't there some sort of organizatin that oversees this type of stuff that can make one be the standard or do we really have to let both of them come out and just wait for one to die?

Also, does anyone have any thoughts based on past experience with technologies on how long it will take for neutral markets to start making players? Will there basically be Sony players at first for Blu-ray and Toshiba players for HD-DVD? When will companies like Denon get in the market? I won't be the first kid on the block to have one of these, but I'm sure I will get one well before most people do. However, I want to get a good solid player by a good company. I wouldn't mind paying $700-$1000 for a good solid Denon player but I sure ain't paying that for a Sony or Toshiba player.

I think you mean how they would work in relation to HD-DVD or Blu-Ray.

They will work fine. DTS' codec is like a building block where for more fidelity, they attach more data onto the basic audio stream (as in if the 784 kpbs bitstream is 1, then DTS HD lossless would be 1 + 9). The same thing may be true of DD Plus, but I haven't read how they would work yet.

I would assume the delivery of digital audio content for DD and DTS to be the same for lossy, highly compressed version (current DD and DTS bitrates) - that is they will be using coaxial and optical digital cables.

For DD Plus and DTS HD of any flavor, I suspect the use of HDMI from the HD-DVD/Blu-Ray players to the yet-to-be-released receivers/pre-amps that can decode DD Plus and DTS HD bitstreams.


fuad

I think right now the BD (Blu-Ray Disc) camp are working hard right now at getting a commitment from Fox and perhaps Microsoft. I also predict that they are working hard to identify and creating HD content for movies to be released in BD. And I bet Sony are working superhard to get PS3 and PC and Mac drives for BD out before the release of HD-DVD players by September.

I think the keys to PC and Mac penetration of either HD-DVD or BD in regards to the drives are a) recordability which at this time favors the BD drives and b) graphic cards that can decode the VC-1 data effortlessly. In terms of HD playability, the latter is far more important for HTPC users!

I want BD to win. So here's my suggestion to Sony: their first mid-level player (SRP US$500-700) should be a semi-universal player - BD, DVD-V, DVD-A, SACD.


fuad

Does anyone have any first hand experience or have read any articles that discuss how good these BD or HD-DVD's will look? Should I expect them to look about as good as a good transfer on HBO or Showtime HD feed or will they be marginally better or insanely better? I find a good HD movie via HBO or Showtime is definitely better than the DVD version on many films, but not enough for me to want to pay $1000 for a player.

I just really haven't read anything on what we as consumers should really expect from a recorded HD disc. I've never seen D-VHS either. Can anyone who has, comment on them as compared to an HD movie on TV?

Thanks,
Mike

That isn't necessarily true. A good example of a similar situation is video games. X-box releases have similar packaging to PlayStation 2 releases. As long as there is a way that Blu-Ray and HD-DVD can be told apart, brick and mortor stores should be able to handle the confusion. And if the distributors take advantage of the fact that films can be released as a dual HD/SD release, there will probably be only one disk for new releases -- SD-DVD on one layer (or two) and HD on another.

Blu-Ray, DVD-V and SACD seems possible (probably not likely early on though) but DVD-A is not a SONY format so we won't see them supporting that unless they give up on SACD.

This is what pisses me off about Sony. They always want some sort propriotory element to whatever they sell. I don't want to have to have a player that does Blu-ray and SACD then have to go buy something else that will play DVD-A. That is fine if DVD-A dies, but I don't think SACD is doing any better than DVD-A in the market. Someone can correct me on this if they like, this is purely speculation. It is so annoying that Sony refuses to support DVD-A. So what if DVD-A owned 75% of the market and SACD owned 25%. Would they still only have SACD capable players? Don't they care that they will sell less players by not supported both.

This is why I'm not jumping on the bandwagon too early. I want a more neutral player like Denon, Yamaha, Mitsubishi, etc. to make a player that will likely play DVD-A and SACD along with the Blue ray or HD-DVD.

Good example, but they are different. Many titles available on xbox or PS2 are available on both. Plus each system has their advantages which would lean some consumers to one and some to another.

As far as movies go, most consumers are NOT going to buy two different players that for all intents and purposes do the same thing. There are a lot of people out there who already have a hard enough time figuring out which side of the dvd goes up. Now they have to go out and buy two different players and go shopping for two different formats, then go home and remember which goes in which player. Let alone, at the store they know they want to buy "The Lion King" and look in the HD-DVD aisle and don't see it. Wait, Lion King is a blu-ray title. Now they have to go over there and look for it.

Unless studios are planning on releasing a blu-ray and HD-DVD version of the same movie, I just don't see Best Buy, etc. carrying both formats for more than a year or so. I also don't see the studios wanting to make both.

I think we are in for a really annoying ride with this one. For those early adapters who don't care about the cost, will buy both and reap all the benefits of them. Then eventually when one player survives, they will be set. For those of us who are sitting on the fence to see which one will win out because we don't want to spring for two players will just have to keep waiting until one of the players in the game finally gives up.

I want to adopt early but I'm not spending $500-$1000 each for 2 players. I will wait until there is one. I also don't want to choose for instance technology X because it is carrying Lord of the Rings then find out Star Wars in coming out on technology Y. Unless I can get all my favs on one player, I guess I will just have to wait on the sidelines and be jeoulous of those who spent $2000 on 2 players.

With any luck, the losing player will also be a decent DVD player (and likely a high-def recorder) that you can give away to a friend once the war is over.

I am eagerly awaiting HD in some DVD format, but I have space problems in my component rack. I would especially want to see lossless audio in the format(s). I would say that I would buy both formats except that I do not believe they both would fit. An added problem is my liking for carousels that I have now. Also, the new players will probably require me to change my pre-pro to accommodate HDMI, so there are some expensive and troublesome choices to make here. As much as I would like to be an early adopter, it would undoubtedly be wise to wait for the air to clear before jumping in.

See the linked article. What will spell the victor in the HD-DVD/Blu Ray battle? The same thing that helped make VHS and DVD and high speed internet ... porno?

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...ch_show_dvd_dc

Based on sheer capacity alone, the single-layer BD/dual-layer SD DVD is better than the dual-layer HD-DVD/single-layer SD DVD.

And based on what the rest of us want - instead of early adopters- the BD/SD-DVD combo is more palatable. We get high-quality SD DVD of a movie we want and can get the HD version when we can upgrade (at a slightly less capacity than the dual-layer HD-DVD). Of course, if they could come up with dual layer BD/SD-DVD combo, that would be even better!

I would doubt that the other HD-DVD camp studios would offer combo discs except for Warner. So here's hoping Sony would do their titles justice!


fuad

I'd agree with you if they release new movies as a regular DVD for SD content and a different disk for the HD release. But I'll bet you that new releases -- say, something like the Electra move that will be breaking onto the home video market in fall of 2005 -- will be released as one disk only: a combined SD/HD disk with the whole movie in both DVD and an HD format (whichever one the studio choses).

If popular new movie releases are available only in dual SD/HD format, then brick-and-mortor stores will be forced to make room for these kind of releases. Also, already having a library in (for example) HD-DVD/SD-DVD format (that they bought when they thought they were just buying the SD-DVD version) will make a consumer more likely to eventually buy the HD deck that the studio supports.

I think this battle will be fought with popular new releases and dual definition disks from both sides.

Who ever wins I sure hope they do a consistent job of putting out the best quality transfer they can. I'm pretty disappointed with DVD. Quality varies so much from disc to disc. Some movies are awesome for a 480p image. Some you think should be awesome and end up pretty lacking in PQ. Hopefully they won't have kick ass transfers for the first go round then go cheap on us after that.

Fox were (somewhat surprisingly) a sponser of the HD-DVD booth at the CES and also providing demo clips for Blu-Ray so they seem to be keeping their options open. The HD-DVD display was sponsered by Warner, Fox, New Line & Universal from movie studios and had clips from these studio's films plus one from MGM (MGM were not listed as a sponder - merely credited with some material).

I'd love to jump on the bandwagon as soon as the hardware is released, but when I think about it, I don't think it's such a good idea. I don't want to end up buying two players to play all of what's on offer, I like films from Sony as much as Warner. I havn't got the room for 2 players, and i've only got one component input on my display (i don't want to have to use a switch box). Which leads me onto the second problem, my display, like the MAJORITY of HD displays in peoples homes, doesn't have any form of digital video input. Sony are still selling displays as "HD Ready" that don't have digital inputs today...

David Lynch's Dune on HD-DVD? I'm so there.....

"Send in that floating fat man!"