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post #121 of 10191
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Originally posted by ANSEK
I just watched the two hour premiere of BSG. There are parts of the show I really like and then there are parts that I really don't like. One part that annoys me is the whole Dr. Baltar and Number Six thing. The talking to himself gets old fast. I also hoped for more action but that should come in due time. I like many of the cast members and hope my enjoyment will increase the more I watch the series.

The thing is, those scenes with Number Six are *all* flashbacks (basically, *scenes from the cutting room floor*) to the beginning; mostly prior to the events of BG (and the Last Cylon War). *This* BG can safely be said to be a sequel to the original BG (remember, in the new BG movie, the only Cylons folks knew about were in museums, and Galactica herself was going to be mothballed).

And there is one comment that Adama made which was rather telling: "We created the Cylons." That brought me back to a series of episodes of the *original* BG where Galactica scientists did indeed reassemble several Cylons for R&D. Also, there is the *known fact* that the *civilian-series* and (naturally) the later IL-series (such as Lucifer) didn't even *remotely* resemble humans (the original Baltar pointed out that the race that created the *Series One* Cylons were wiped out by their creation, and that *Count Ibli* was the model for the personality base of the IL-series in a conversation with Ibli on the prison barge during the original BG). So could these *Series Two* Cylons be the unfortunate children of the original Galacticans' hubris? (Both Adama and Baltar seem to think so.) Also, here are several new facts concerning the Series Two Cylons:

1. Unlike the Series One Cylon fighters, the Series Two fighter *is* a Cylon itself (basically, it's a one-Cylon craft where the craft *is* the pilot). Also, there are no such things as *base ships*.

2. Except for the fighters, all other Series Two Cylons (from infiltrators such as Number Six to administrators) resemble humans (however, Series Two Cylons are more resistant to most types of radiation than humans). Worse, there are *ultra-deep-cover* Cylons that don't even know it themselves (such as Boomer aboard Galactica; it's also possible that the *other* Boomer, back on Cylon-occupied Caprica, is another). There is currently no easy method for detecting such Cylons (Baltar, in several conversations).

3. While there is an *extermination* faction that holds the majority opinion among Cylons, that opinion is not universal (Number Six herself has doubt). I expect future episodes will look deeper into the division within the Cylons on this subject. (A Cylon fifth column?)
post #122 of 10191
"Count me in as another who never "got" Farscape"

I concur, I just did not watch it, it was not my cup of tea, I like the Star Trek, SG1, FireFly, hell X-Files, but it's a personal thing to me (as it should be). I do have friends who think the world of it and I respect their opinions, big time.

I do understand how upset they are with one Bonnie Hammer and the SciFi channel in general. This does not keep me from watching, but it has caused heartburn between myself and a very close friend, damn it's only TV after all. As for BSG it also is only TV, you get to make up your own mind if it's your cup of tea, there are other things to watch.

And on that note try to watch some HDTV tonight of your choice. It's LOST night! ;-)
post #123 of 10191
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Originally posted by Iteki
I agree about BSG...very well done. I'm watching the eps from the UK, season finale is next Sunday/Monday...I'm hanging on the edge of my seat here. Does anyone know how well it is/is not doing in the US so far?

SciFi reports very high ratings for last week's 2 episode BSG premiere:
http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire2005/i...ory=0&id=30212

Galactica Scores Big Ratings

The two-hour Jan. 14 premiere of SCI FI Channel's original series Battlestar Galactica was the number-one cable program on that date in key demographics and ranked as the highest-rated January show in the network's history. Galactica ranked first among adults aged 25-54 and 18-49 and men aged 25-54, 18-49 and 18-34. The show earned a 2.6 household rating (3.1 million viewers), ranking second among all cable programs.

Galactica was also SCI FI's highest-rated first-quarter series telecast ever and its second highest-rated series telecast ever, behind only Stargate Atlantis' series premiere in summer 2004.

Galactica delivered 2.2 million viewers aged 25-54 and 1.9 million among those aged 18-49. The show won a decisive victory over UPN's Star Trek: Enterprise, outperforming its new episode in total viewers, among adults 25-54 (2.2 million vs. 1.7 million) and 18-49 (1.9 million vs. 1.5 million). Among men 25-54, Galactica delivered 1.5 million viewers, beating 16 of the top 20 programs on the six broadcast networks, including JAG and Fox's premiere of Jonny Zero.
post #124 of 10191
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Originally posted by PGHammer
The thing is, those scenes with Number Six are *all* flashbacks (basically, *scenes from the cutting room floor*) to the beginning; mostly prior to the events of BG (and the Last Cylon War). *This* BG can safely be said to be a sequel to the original BG (remember, in the new BG movie, the only Cylons folks knew about were in museums, and Galactica herself was going to be mothballed).

And there is one comment that Adama made which was rather telling: "We created the Cylons."

Huh??? In the scenes with Number Six speaking to Baltar, she speaks to him about things in the scene. She points out the Cylon device planted on the Galactica bridge, for example. There are a certain number of flashbacks to other moments in his relationship with Number Six, before he knew that she was a Cylon, but not back to before the first Cylon War (40 years back). If Baltar was a grown man 40 years ago, he's aged awfully well.

You know, I'd totally forgotten that in the original series the Cylon "race" was the creation of some alien culture separate from the Twelve Tribes of Kobol. In this series, however, in the first few seconds we're told that the Cylons were created by man as servants who turned against their masters. Recall, please, Number Six telling Baltar "Humanity's Children are returning home. Today." Also, the original series featured the characters Commander Adama, Captain Apollo, Lt. Starbuck, Colonel Tigh, Baltar and Boxey. What--did they drag them all out of mothballs too? Please recall that the last Cylon war was 40 years back.
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Also, there are no such things as *base ships*.

What are those huge stylized curvy things that appear out of hyperspace, from whence hordes of Cylon raider then emerge? You will see them shown on this page at SciFi.com, pictured at scale with the other types of vessels. There's a little menu at the bottom of the page--the first selection at the top will magnify the Cylon Base Ship and give its description. It says that it carries at least 250 raiders.
post #125 of 10191
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Originally posted by Joxer
SciFi reports very high ratings for last week's 2 episode BSG premiere:
http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire2005/i...ory=0&id=30212

Galactica Scores Big Ratings

The two-hour Jan. 14 premiere of SCI FI Channel's original series Battlestar Galactica was the number-one cable program on that date in key demographics and ranked as the highest-rated January show in the network's history. Galactica ranked first among adults aged 25-54 and 18-49 and men aged 25-54, 18-49 and 18-34. The show earned a 2.6 household rating (3.1 million viewers), ranking second among all cable programs.

Galactica was also SCI FI's highest-rated first-quarter series telecast ever and its second highest-rated series telecast ever, behind only Stargate Atlantis' series premiere in summer 2004.

Galactica delivered 2.2 million viewers aged 25-54 and 1.9 million among those aged 18-49. The show won a decisive victory over UPN's Star Trek: Enterprise, outperforming its new episode in total viewers, among adults 25-54 (2.2 million vs. 1.7 million) and 18-49 (1.9 million vs. 1.5 million). Among men 25-54, Galactica delivered 1.5 million viewers, beating 16 of the top 20 programs on the six broadcast networks, including JAG and Fox's premiere of Jonny Zero.

Good news indeed.
post #126 of 10191
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Originally posted by michaeltscott
Huh??? In the scenes with Number Six speaking to Baltar, she speaks to him about things in the scene. She points out the Cylon device planted on the Galactica bridge, for example. There are a certain number of flashbacks to other moments in his relationship with Number Six, before he knew that she was a Cylon, but not back to before the first Cylon War (40 years back). If Baltar was a grown man 40 years ago, he's aged awfully well.

You know, I'd totally forgotten that in the original series the Cylon "race" was the creation of some alien culture separate from the Twelve Tribes of Kobol. In this series, however, in the first few seconds we're told that the Cylons were created by man as servants who turned against their masters. Recall, please, Number Six telling Baltar "Humanity's Children are returning home. Today." Also, the original series featured the characters Commander Adama, Captain Apollo, Lt. Starbuck, Colonel Tigh, Baltar and Boxey. What--did they drag them all out of mothballs too? Please recall that the last Cylon war was 40 years back.What are those huge stylized curvy things that appear out of hyperspace, from whence hordes of Cylon raider then emerge? You will see them shown on this page at SciFi.com, pictured at scale with the other types of vessels. There's a little menu at the bottom of the page--the first selection at the top will magnify the Cylon Base Ship and give its description. It says that it carries at least 250 raiders.

It sounds like Hammer over thought the new series a little too much. The Six Baltar sees is his subconscious talking to him, which actually makes me wonder if he's not a Cylon himself. In any event, at first I didn't like it, but as the show has progressed, it's worked very well.

Also. People shouldn't read too much into differences between the Cylons from the first show to the second. I think for this series, Moore felt it was more interesting to have the Cylons be a creation of man, that somehow became more spiritual than man has.

I didn't realize though how short this series is. Way under 20 eps. So I can only hope that they have plans past the current 12 or so eps that they're going to air.
post #127 of 10191
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Originally posted by Mntneer
The Six Baltar sees is his subconscious talking to him, which actually makes me wonder if he's not a Cylon himself.

In the mini series she told Baltar that he's not hallucinating - she implanted a transceiver in his head. I forgot the reason, but she does "like" Baltar, so maybe she wants to protect him even though the Cylons want to wipe out all humans.
post #128 of 10191
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Originally posted by jc5810
In the mini series she told Baltar that he's not hallucinating - she implanted a transceiver in his head. I forgot the reason, but she does "like" Baltar, so maybe she wants to protect him even though the Cylons want to wipe out all humans.

"Like"? She's told him that she loves him, and wants to have his baby. Seriously.
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Originally posted by Mntneer
Also. People shouldn't read too much into differences between the Cylons from the first show to the second. I think for this series, Moore felt it was more interesting to have the Cylons be a creation of man, that somehow became more spiritual than man has.

As I said earlier, I think that their spirituality gives them a reason to keep going. Imagine a collection of self aware machines created by a race of people who used them as chattel servants. Having developed the desired to escape slavery, what's next after you acheive freedom? Personally, I'd think that they'd have a bit of an inferiority complex to overcome, and their interesting religion would be one way to deal with it.

Not to get into a religious rathole here, but human faith in God give huge numbers of people a "center" which makes their lives seem meaningful. Why wouldn't machines need something similar (if not moreso)?
post #129 of 10191
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Originally posted by jc5810
In the mini series she told Baltar that he's not hallucinating - she implanted a transceiver in his head. I forgot the reason, but she does "like" Baltar, so maybe she wants to protect him even though the Cylons want to wipe out all humans.

Must have missed that part in the Mini-Series.

Granted, I really didn't like the mini-series, though I like the series.
post #130 of 10191
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Originally posted by michaeltscott
[BNot to get into a religious rathole here, but human faith in God give huge numbers of people a "center" which makes their lives seem meaningful. Why wouldn't machines need something similar (if not moreso)? [/b]

I'm looking forward to where they take this. Early man "invented" gods as a way of accepting things that he did not understand and couldn't explain. As man's knowledge grows and that which he does not understand diminishes, his "need" for gods also diminishes. Given that the Cylons are machines, where does their need for a god come from? To make themselves more human? Sounds like they have a real love/hate thing going on with humanity.
post #131 of 10191
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Originally posted by archiguy
...........If the rest of the eps are equal to or better than the first two, this has the potential to be the best sci-fi series ever. Or at least the equal to the late, lamented Firefly, who presently holds that honor, IMO................


I am currently on the next to last episode and I can tell you by far episode 12 (Kobols Last Gleaming Part 1) is the best episode so far; I have not seen a bad episode yet. The only thing I regret is that there is only one episode left.
post #132 of 10191
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Originally posted by archiguy
As man's knowledge grows and that which he does not understand diminishes, his "need" for gods also diminishes.

I think that there are hundreds million of people on the Earth today who would disagree with you. Who was it who said, "If God didn't exist, we would have had to invent Him."? I think that many people, even some who don't believe in the God of Abraham or Allah or Gaea or the Hindu pantheon or Satan or whatever need to believe in a higher power, even if they don't anthropomorphize It or believe that It cares or is aware of the existence of humanity, much less requires our worship. Just believing that we are some part, no matter how incidental, of a whole design that has some purpose for something or someone else greater and beyond themselves is enough. I don't think that this will change, not matter how great the depth of human knowledge should grow.

I think that the Cylons would have a profound need for faith. What is their purpose? Why should they replicate themselves? What is their motivation? They don't have our biological imperatives to breed and protect the young that we produce.
post #133 of 10191
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Originally posted by michaeltscott
Just believing that we are some part, no matter how incidental, of a whole design that has some purpose for something or someone else greater and beyond themselves is enough. I don't think that this will change, not matter how great the depth of human knowledge should grow.

There are those who believe we have a "god-gene", some part of our brain that needs to believe in a supernatural power, perhaps left over from an earlier time and necessary to our survival. Newsweek had an article on this within the last couple of years, I believe. Perhaps this is true...? At any rate, I do think that the original "need" for gods was a way to help explain the unexplained which was all around them. Once we became sentient, this may have become necessary for survival and kept early man from being paralyzed with fear of the unknown that simply doesn't bother non-sentient animals. Who knows? In some cases today, belief in the supernatural seems to supersede the knowledge derived from science; this isn't healthy or conducive to further man's body of knowledge.

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I think that the Cylons would have a profound need for faith. What is their purpose? Why should they replicate themselves? What is their motivation? They don't have our biological imperatives to breed and protect the young that we produce.

It will be interesting to see where Ron Moore takes us with this concept. The possibilities are intriguing. Perhaps the Cylons have programmed themselves with such a need to "reproduce" and protect their "new ones", and that's the motivation for destroying mankind - before man discovers their hiding places and destroys them...?
post #134 of 10191
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Originally posted by archiguy
There are those who believe we have a "god-gene", some part of our brain that needs to believe in a supernatural power, perhaps left over from an earlier time and necessary to our survival.

That sounds like Matthew Alper's theory "The God Part of the Brain"
http://www.godpart.com/
post #135 of 10191
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Originally posted by Joxer
That sounds like Matthew Alper's theory "The God Part of the Brain"
http://www.godpart.com/

Yep. I believe this book was the "genesis" of the Newsweek article I referenced above. Interesting stuff.
post #136 of 10191
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Originally posted by Joxer
Galactica delivered 2.2 million viewers aged 25-54 and 1.9 million among those aged 18-49. The show won a decisive victory over UPN's Star Trek: Enterprise, outperforming its new episode in total viewers, among adults 25-54 (2.2 million vs. 1.7 million) and 18-49 (1.9 million vs. 1.5 million). Among men 25-54, Galactica delivered 1.5 million viewers,


The FARSCAPE mini-series delivered similar ratings, but I don't hear any rush from that channel to bring it back as a series, sadly. That said, the GALACTICA series has certainly turned out to be a better show than most had expected it to be. Just wish the PQ and audio on the Sci-Fi channel were better.
post #137 of 10191
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What would be great is if NBC would telecast the HD version maybe a week behind the original airing on SciFi. Kind of like ABC did with USA's "Monk" a couple of years ago. Would that not be sweet for us?? It would also give them a chance to milk more ad dollars out of each episode as well as expose this awesome show to a wider (non-cable) audience. Seems like a win-win for everyone.

George Thompson, how about it?
post #138 of 10191
Knowing the cross platform synergies that exist, nothing is out of the question. But, I would expect to see it on UHD before NBC. I have not seen any press releases or stories on the move...
(Remember the engineering department doesnt sit around talking about programming, especially when it comes out of Left Coast)
Latest BSG press release:
http://nbcumv.com/scifi/release_deta...mbracesci.html

Additional SCI FI release...
SCI FI DRAWS CIRCLE AROUND 'TRIANGLE'; HELMER, CAST NOT YET SET FOR DECEMBER PREEM
By DENISE MARTIN, Variety, 1/21/2005

Sci Fi Channel has greenlit "The Triangle," a long-gestating miniseries from execexec producers Dean DevlinDean Devlin and Bryan SingerBryan Singer and scribe Rockne O'Bannon.
A December premiere date has been locked for the program, though no director or cast has been set. Story explores the myth of the Bermuda Triangle.

Sci Fi execs pacted with Devlin and Singer to begin developing the project in May 2003, on the heels of ratings highs for Steven SpielbergSteven Spielberg's event series "Taken." Devlin's Electric EntertainmentElectric Entertainment will produce the project.

O'Bannon ("Farscape," "SeaQuest DSV") is polishing the draft, with "The Triangle" now planned as a six-hour, three-part event. Singer was mum on the plot's details, but described the piece as a contemporary tale involving scientists and investigators from different fields who come together to figure out the truth behind the Bermuda Triangle.

"Our story takes off at a point when there has been a gradual increase in phenomena surrounding the Triangle. As this group begins to unravel the mystery of the area, they'll encounter significant danger," Singer said. "It's very eerie and interesting -- perfect for Sci Fi Channel."

"Triangle" is one of several minis at Sci Fi, which is still developing projects with Hollywood heavyweights including Spielberg, Michael De Luca, Ridley ScottRidley Scott, Frank DarabontFrank Darabont, Martin ScorseseMartin Scorsese and Gale Anne HurdGale Anne Hurd.

Devlin produced the features "Cellular," "Independence Day""Independence Day" and "Godzilla," and co-wrote the 1994 "Stargate" featurefeature. Singer will next direct "Superman Returns." He exec produces the Fox hospital drama "House" and helmed both "X-Men""X-Men" films.

O'Bannon's credits include writing the scripts for ABC's "Peter Benchley's Creature" and NBC's "Robin Cook's Invasion."
post #139 of 10191
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Thanks, George. I was thinking since NBC carried the miniseries (in HD!) that maybe they might be thinking of something like this. The problem with UHD is that [virtually] nobody gets it (and there hasn't been an announcement as to their carrying it in any event). Such a shame that this series is produced in HD but nobody can see it that way.
post #140 of 10191
Geez! I'd forgotten completely about Seaquest DSV (possibly for the good ). I just looked it up and found that the kid who played the boy genius in it died a suicide in 2003, at the age of 27--reportedly no one knows why. Sad.
post #141 of 10191
So is the consensus that there'll be no second season?
post #142 of 10191
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Originally posted by rogo
So is the consensus that there'll be no second season?

Huh? Everything gets at least two--probably three--seasons on SciFi. (Even Lexx was into a third season when it got axed). That's the only advantage of being there.
post #143 of 10191
Oh, good, Michael... I got the impression above this was it. I'm getting involved in the show and didn't want to get too attached (as I did with the original series).

Anyone think this one will beget a "Galactica 2010" spinoff a few years later?
post #144 of 10191
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I'd love to see this show go on for a few years, and it may be the second season or beyond before we get to see it in HD. The trick will be to keep this level of quality. Fortunately, there seem to be many potential plot lines, many directions they can go.

Money and time for the stellar fx work are critical here too. The producers can't get cheap now with this thing. When they showed the half-hour "making of" minidoc before the first episode, all the actors interviewed looked like it had been a long while since they worked on the show. 'Baltar' with a full beard and 'No. 6' with much longer hair, for example. Strange to hear 'Apollo' with his natural clipped British accent, too. Wonder how long their hiatus has been?
post #145 of 10191
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Originally posted by rogo
So is the consensus that there'll be no second season?

Why would that be? The ratings for the BSG series debut were very good for the SCi-Fi channel. It was reported a few weeks ago that after the success of the airings in the UK, that Sci-Fi ordered an additional 6 episodes to the 13 that were already shot for season one. So we should see a 19 episode 1st season, probably broken into 2 parts as Sci-Fi likes to do.

Heck, Sci-Fi is apparently planning for the 9th season of Stargate SG-1, which, IIRC, came to Sci-Fi from Showtime starting with the 6th season. SG-1 is definitely getting more than a little tired, especially with the tighter Sci-Fi budgets, so they don't go to nearly as many planets where the stargate is always out in the forest somewhere with trees and terrain which are amazingly similar to that found in the pacific NW.

Just because the bastards canceled Farscape a season too soon, doesn't mean they won't try to get 3 or 4 seasons out of BSG. 4 seasons of 13 to 20 episodes each could make for a good story arc without getting too many tired alien of the week episodes.

However, I do hope they rebroadcast the BSG and the Stargate episodes somewhere where I can see them in HD. I get a mediocre picture at best for the Sci-Fi channel via my Comcast cable hookup.
post #146 of 10191
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Originally posted by afiggatt
Just because the bastards canceled Farscape a season too soon, doesn't mean they won't try to get 3 or 4 seasons out of BSG. 4 seasons of 13 to 20 episodes each could make for a good story arc without getting too many tired alien of the week episodes.

Even if Farscape got cancelled a "season too soon" (and lord knows, for the fans, the season after that would have been "too soon" because they'd have started some other story arc that would have been left hanging ), the point is, it got four seasons and I think it would be strange if the new BSG didn't get the same sort of chance to establish itself. It's not like there's oodles of quality series sci-fi waiting in the wings.

Stargate is a cash-cow phenomenon. I've been a staunch fan but even I have to admit that they're losing steam. There was a great story arc at the end of last season involving saving the world from invasion by Anubis' fleet by discovering and gaining control of an ancient weapon beneath the artic ice (which was a lead-in to the spinoff). This was great stuff and a hard act to follow. Last night's episode suggests a new direction with intriguing possibilities--we'll see. The story needs new blood all around, allies and foes, problems and solutions. The soup is getting thin.
post #147 of 10191
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Originally posted by michaeltscott
Stargate ... Last night's episode suggests a new direction with intriguing possibilities--we'll see. The story needs new blood all around, allies and foes, problems and solutions. The soup is getting thin. [/b]

I was like - yeah right - take the one weapon that works against the replicators and let them run a lot of tests on it. The premise was so thin and the outcome too predictable. The TiVo was busy last night with Enterprise, SG1 and BSG all on - I watched them all, and rank SG1 third behind the other two even though the Enterprise and BSG episodes weren't better examples of those shows.
post #148 of 10191
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Originally posted by HDHTPC
I was like - yeah right - take the one weapon that works against the replicators and let them run a lot of tests on it. The premise was so thin and the outcome too predictable. The TiVo was busy last night with Enterprise, SG1 and BSG all on - I watched them all, and rank SG1 third behind the other two even though the Enterprise and BSG episodes weren't better examples of those shows.

Not exactly what I meant:
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The replicators weren't in our galaxy, nor have they encountered the Gou'ald, nor did they have a leader with the knowledge of Samantha Carter, and deep insight into the way that she thinks. There was always the Human vs. Gou'ald struggle off on one side and the Asgard vs. replicator struggle off on the other. Now it can kind of all blend together--could be interesting. Who knows? It's something.
And yeah, I'd agree with you--SG1 was the least interesting of those three programs, but if you were going to make a comparison, somebody had to lose. Where I wouldn't agree is to say that the rest of BSG has been appreciably better than last night's episode. It's all been pretty much on a level plane, IMHO. Good, but no real peaks since the last 1.5 hours of the miniseries.
post #149 of 10191
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Originally posted by michaeltscott
Huh? Everything gets at least two--probably three--seasons on SciFi. (Even Lexx was into a third season when it got axed). That's the only advantage of being there.

Tell that to the people that worked on "The Chronicle".. one of the better shows and was whacked after 1 season... this AFTER they were told that they were gold (and the ratings really did back it up.. it was equal to Farscape in most demos).. and then, after they wrote and FILMED a cliff-hanger ending... were jacked around till the week before filming was to start.. and then told 'never mind'...
post #150 of 10191
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Originally posted by Londo
Tell that to the people that worked on "The Chronicle".. one of the better shows and was whacked after 1 season... this AFTER they were told that they were gold (and the ratings really did back it up.. it was equal to Farscape in most demos).. and then, after they wrote and FILMED a cliff-hanger ending... were jacked around till the week before filming was to start.. and then told 'never mind'...

Okay --I guess I'm wrong! There are lots of things on Sci-Fi whose ads don't interest me that I assume are just bad movies or miniseries and don't realize are full-fledged series. From the description at IMBD, sounds like "Mulder and Scully go work for the National Inquirer". This actually had Farscape's weekly ratings? Any others that died a terrible death aborning? Wasn't there some strange urban monster-fighting thing?

In any case, I don't see this happening to BSG.
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