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post #61 of 10191
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Originally posted by michaeltscott
That alone was a threat; in the new series, they acheive a nearly effortless coup by developing a method to disable humanity's defenses. You can wink at this sort of thing in the fairy-tale that the original series was, but not so easily in this.

I agree with you somewhat. It would have been neat if the new writers could have come up with a more believable scenario to start the series off with, or at least a better explanation of how the tribes put themselves in such a bad spot. The idea of the Cylon sneak attack was obviously a sci-fi version of the Pearl Harbor attack in which the U.S. made even stupider mistakes.

I'm not sure how much that information might have improved subsequent episodes of the series and I don't agree completely that the more serious nature of the new series forces the writers to tie all these loose ends. After the bombs started falling those mistakes were all water under the bridge. And it's still just a low budget TV series.
post #62 of 10191
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Originally posted by michaeltscott

I find that the gravity of the new series forces me to take a close look at how ridiculous the set-up is. "Humanity" creates artificially intelligent robots who rebel (plausible), after which a long war ensues (plausible), after which they come to an impasse and negotiate a peace treaty (starting to get shaky), after which they lose all contact with them for years and no one seems to care??? (BZZZZZ! You lose, but thank for playing Credibility!)

You know, after seeing a few episodes of the series, I'd just like to say that I don't think the back story is inviolate...let's just say that I don't think that everything having to do with the "legend" is as it seems, and there may be an overriding and compelling twist to the plot regarding the true nature of the Galactica's mission.

Also, I'd like to say that I was a fan of the original series as a child, where I couldn't tell camp and fun from high drama, but this new series pushes the right buttons for an adult sci-fi audience. Watching the OS re-runs on Sci-fi is still fun, and if you want the original series back, well...there it is.

The whole notion of the original series being this precious thing that we need to stay "true to" is preposterous and predicated on the ridiculous belief that the original series is some literary work of virgin genius that deserves to remain untouched. I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings for so many, but for angry fans of the original series: Your childhood is over. Get over it. Battlestar Galactica as captained by Lorne Greene was a fish out of water that flopped around for a season or two and died a miserable, ugly death ala Galactica 1984. I'm sorry, but arguing the original series over the new one is like lamenting the absence of woundless fire-fights and spontaneous explosions from a re-make of "The A-Team". It just wasn't good tv to begin with, and improvements are welcome in my book.

At this point, after having lived a while, I'd gladly trade camp for intrigue, and derring-do for human drama. If I wanted camp and bold, primary-color cheese, I'd head for Austin Powers, Star Wars, Blade, etc. Taken on its own, I think the series takes the best part of the original (the premise) and does with it what could have been done in the first place: make it good, dramatic sci-fi television.
post #63 of 10191
The worst thing about the new series is that is on SciFi which doesn't do HD.
post #64 of 10191
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Originally posted by robertawillisjr
The worst thing about the new series is that is on SciFi which doesn't do HD.

Even worse is that SciFi on Charter Cable in St. Louis is still in mono. (As are Fx and a lot of the movie channels. Boy, do I hate Charter.)
post #65 of 10191
The worst thing about SciFi .........

Is B. Hammer (management, or non if you like)! Far and away the worst thing about this channel.

As for STL at least the Cards did better than the stros ;-0 OTOH; I use to live up there, St. Charles area, I liked it. ;-)
post #66 of 10191
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Originally posted by jc5810
I was going to say the exact same thing (old career officer with a drinking problem finishing his duty on a ship about to become a museum).

If you read the interviews with the writers/director/etc at SciFi.com you will find they intended the show to be just as it is. There are no real heroes to root for because they wanted humans to be portrayed as they are "in real life." "Everyone has some kind of flaw." When I first heard about the mini-series 1 1/2 years ago, I read quite a bit about it - first out of excitement that they would redo it (new special effects and such), but then to find out WHY they changed it so much. I wasn't happy about that (I was 10 when the first series aired, so I didn't know better . But, I actually like this version much better. And I really like how they made the ships, especially the fighters, more "realistic" by using small jets to control pitch/direction, etc (very much like a real spacecraft like the shuttle).

The problem with that philosophy is that you still don't have reason to care about these people at first, and in real life there are real heroes, good people that sacrafice, everyday. But it wasn't until the series that I've started caring more about the characters and their plight.

I think the mini-series lacked a real emotional hook though. Maybe more scenes of civilians being killed, women, children. Give the audience a REAL understanding of what was at stake and what was happening. Not just some shots of people trying to get off world. The scene with the baby being killed by the hot cylon accomplished a little of that, but it needed to be done on a much more grand scale.

Also, with the series, as of now, you tend to forget there are people, not just military and political types, by civs, trying to survive. Scared to death. Desperate. I think the show needs to reflect a little more on just what the Galactica is trying to protect.

BTW. While I didn't like Starbuck going female, this actress has grown on me, and I find her very attractive. And Hatch's role in the series in perfectly played by him, so it was nice to see him get a chance to experience the new show directly.
post #67 of 10191
Just watched Episode 11....OMFG
post #68 of 10191
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Originally posted by archiguy
Forgive continuing this off-topic topic, but I was a big Wing Commander player as well, and finally gave up playing years ago, but would have loved to have been able to see all the video clips that were on the disks. Anyone know how to do that without actually going through the missions?

I bought a DVD version of WC4 just for that purpose. I can access all the VOB video files on it - they are high quality on the DVD.
post #69 of 10191
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Originally posted by Iteki
Just watched Episode 11....OMFG

I seem to have missed something. How are you able to see the episodes (I assume you are currently in TX based on the info below your nickname).
post #70 of 10191
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Originally posted by robertawillisjr
The worst thing about the new series is that is on SciFi which doesn't do HD.

Amen. How ironic that this show is produced in HD, yet nobody can see it that way! What's the point? My guess is to get a top-notch DVD downconvert for later sales. Anyway, it's especially grating considering we got to see the show in HD on NBC last weekend. And it looked great, didn't it?

The dilemma I'm facing is this: do I watch this show on super-crappy SD on the Sci-Fi channel, or just wait for the first season DVD, probably out soon after it finishes its run here in the States...? It wouldn't be HD, and that sucks for us, but at least it would be high quality 480p and [probably] anamorphic widescreen & DD5.1. What are you guys going to do? Can you hold out that long?
post #71 of 10191
I can... atleast Im going to try. The key is to make yourself miss the first ep then it becomes much easier.

Stargate on the other hand, not a chance.
post #72 of 10191
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Originally posted by Iteki
Just watched Episode 11....OMFG

What's it about. I thought 10 was damn good last week.
post #73 of 10191
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Originally posted by jc5810
I seem to have missed something. How are you able to see the episodes (I assume you are currently in TX based on the info below your nickname).

It's a tad BIT complicated TORRENT
post #74 of 10191
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Originally posted by archiguy
Amen. How ironic that this show is produced in HD, yet nobody can see it that way! What's the point? My guess is to get a top-notch DVD downconvert for later sales. Anyway, it's especially grating considering we got to see the show in HD on NBC last weekend. And it looked great, didn't it?

The dilemma I'm facing is this: do I watch this show on super-crappy SD on the Sci-Fi channel, or just wait for the first season DVD, probably out soon after it finishes its run here in the States...? It wouldn't be HD, and that sucks for us, but at least it would be high quality 480p and [probably] anamorphic widescreen & DD5.1. What are you guys going to do? Can you hold out that long?

Are you just ignoring the UHD option because you don't have UHD? With Deadwood and 24 both on right now, I'm leaning towards that option, and if for some reason it doesn't work out, I can always fall back on renting the DVD's or repeats on SciFi.
post #75 of 10191
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Originally posted by turls
Are you just ignoring the UHD option because you don't have UHD?

UHD?! Help me out here.... What is it and who's got it?
post #76 of 10191
D* and voOm have it (id assume some cable cos do too).... at some point battlestar will air on UHD(Universal HD) (it was announced when bravo was renamed, and the commercial has clips) but it hasnt appeared on their schedule as of yet.
post #77 of 10191
I'll just DVR the Sci-Fi channel episodes for now
post #78 of 10191
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Originally posted by jagouar
D* and voOm have it (id assume some cable cos do too).... at some point battlestar will air on UHD(Universal HD) (it was announced when bravo was renamed, and the commercial has clips) but it hasnt appeared on their schedule as of yet.

Oh, so Bravo-HD was renamed to Universal HD? Okay. I know that Bravo is owned by NBC, who also owns SciFi, so that makes sense. TWC and E*, my two providers, don't have that one yet. E* is hopeless, but maybe TWC will pick it up soon....
post #79 of 10191
Please please PLEASE let it be on UHD soon. I am enjoying the new series, but watching it on Sci-Fi on Directv is excruciating!
post #80 of 10191
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Originally posted by mikey p
Is B. Hammer (management, or non if you like)! Far and away the worst thing about this channel.

Brother, you can say that again.....

I'm so very, very glad I'm having someone send over the UK recordings..

SCI FI HAS TOTALLY SCREWED UP THE THEME MUSIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

that atonal, boring theme that was on SciFi last night IS NOT WHAT THE COMPOSERS WANTED...

quotes from here...

http://rgmusic.proboards34.com/index...num=1099440941

11/2/04

"What I can tell you is that the main title sequence as it is airing in England has been quite controversial with the SciFi Network honchos. Where this is going to lead, I don't know yet. I'm keeping my head down for the moment."


12/20/04

"Okay here is the update. Apparently Bonnie Hammer (Scifi Network head honcho) has been very unhappy with the approach of the main title music as it is airing in England - too sad, I am told. Honestly I don't disagree totally - my first thought was to write a rousing main title way back when, but I was dissuaded from doing so at the time. At any rate they cut together a new piece of music consisting of a piece of instrumental score from the show going into the existing taiko drum piece. They asked me to "smooth it out" and improve it, but only slightly. I personally don't care for what they have done and have passed - they have basically squeezed the emotion from the opening, in my opinion. Bear is taking a stab at pleasing them now - I'm over it."


ARRGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you persue that thread you can hear the theme as it was meant to be.. and I'm now going to hold on to these discs even tighter (16:9 Anamorphic they are). And when the offical release comes about.. they're better be some darn good extras.... and even then I may be doing surgery with multilple soundtracks and +DL blanks...

let me blow off some more steam...


ARRGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
post #81 of 10191
So I watched the first two episodes of the series. Not nearly so bad as the wretched miniseries. I can see where it could become decent as the actors settle into the roles (the worst character right now is the XO; I hated Starbuck in the miniseries, but there wasn't that much of her in these episodes). The pacing is still too slow. Music on the soundtrack is one of my problems--the sparcity of it and the blandness of what little there is. The show could use...punch, and a little music for emotional emphasis would help.

It was interesting to watch the little half-hour lead-in program with the actors--I didn't know that the actor playing Apollo was British. Katie Sackhoff's actual personality is pleasant and cheery, which somehow made the bitch she's playing in the series more palatable. Apparently she'd never seen the original series, so she didn't know that the Starbuck character in it was male, so the controversy over her portraying it with the fans of the original series took her by surprise.

It's worth watching some more.
post #82 of 10191
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Originally posted by seanmcgpa
Please please PLEASE let it be on UHD soon. I am enjoying the new series, but watching it on Sci-Fi on Directv is excruciating!

I have the same wish. I just watched the Sci-Fi two hour premier (Tivo'd from last night). After watching the HD pilot on NBC, it was very disappointing to watch in SD 4:3, with the bars on top in bottom. If not on UHD, hopefully SciFi will soon go HD.
post #83 of 10191
I was a huge fan of BG when I was a kid had the toys posters etc! BUt I got to say that this show ROCKS! How much more back story did the original series have over this? NONE! How much more can you illustrate the fact that the colonies were wiped out alll life was killed or hunted down and killed after the attacks?

How much deeper and more serious and heartrending can you get than the scene where the sublight ships were left behind to be destroyed? Hearing them begging over the radio for them to stay was tough to watch.

More intrigue? I don't think how there could be more....on the one hand the cylons seem to be hunting them down like dogs yet the back story of the cylons infiltrating with clones and giving Baltar hints of dangers as if toying with the race is compelling!

This is a very well written and awesome production! It does tend to move a little slowly at times, But if they continue to get better and better at it the pace will tighten!

BTW love the hatch character. This is something the original did not have much of in the way of the political pressures of leading a group this size on a wild goose chase and having political opposition to defeat as well as the cylons! Every decision put through the media/political wringer. You all will love #11 if you like this sort of real life stuff...reminded me of the election we just had here in the US!

Anyway give it time it grows on ya!
post #84 of 10191
The actors not seeing the original Battlestar Galactica makes me think they aren't aware there already was a tough female warrior pilot named Sheba - why remake Starbuck? In the new show they have real names and only have the names like Starbuck and Apollo as "call signs" - there was no reason to reuse the names. They also aren't using terms like centons, microns, etc like the original series - the only common term they use is "FRACK" a lot!
post #85 of 10191
Well, I've heard one 'rumor' floating about that in the second series (SciFi has already comissioned 6 'backup' scripts and Ron Moore is quite confident...) they may reuse another 'concept' from the original (ep 1x10 "the Hand of God" is a redo of an original series ep, and will hold you on the edge of your seat...) that could get to be a little fun...

We may get to see Starbuck's "father" appear... in the original series it was Fred Astaire ("The Man with Nine Lives")...

Dirk Benedict anyone?? (pickup the commercial release of the mini and there's a nice interview/conversation with Starbuck (Dirk) and Starbuck (Katee).... while they are relaxing at 'Starbucks'....)
post #86 of 10191
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Originally posted by Londo
Brother, you can say that again.....

I'm so very, very glad I'm having someone send over the UK recordings..

SCI FI HAS TOTALLY SCREWED UP THE THEME MUSIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

that atonal, boring theme that was on SciFi last night IS NOT WHAT THE COMPOSERS WANTED...

quotes from here...


I haven't watched the show yet on Sci-Fi, but I have the Sky One UK broadcasts, and I admit I LOVE the intro theme music. Very moody and sets a wonderful tone for the series.

Bonnie Hammers a dumb...... "Ugly Female Dog".... and it amazes me she even has a job in entertainment, so it would be no surprise to me she'd have issues with a great soundtrack.
post #87 of 10191
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Originally posted by Mntneer
I haven't watched the show yet on Sci-Fi, but I have the Sky One UK broadcasts, and I admit I LOVE the intro theme music. Very moody and sets a wonderful tone for the series.

Bonnie Hammers a dumb...... "Ugly Female Dog".... and it amazes me she even has a job in entertainment, so it would be no surprise to me she'd have issues with a great soundtrack.

Spotty history with this Sci-Fi bunch....cancelled Farscape (at the height of it's ratings) for Tremors. But apparently Ben Browder from Farscape will now be starring in Stargate SG-1, so we'll see how that goes. I had stopped watching Stargate, but I'll watch it for Ben (he's got a family to feed :-)

I'm enjoying BSG...I like the new take on it, with the exception of the female Starbuck. I like the actress, just wish they had chosen to give her her own character, and kept the original character intact (charming womanizer, gambler, rogue, above all LIKEABLE).
post #88 of 10191
i'm finding it hard to watch on my 62" dlp via scifi on directv. if ever there was a show that was ripe for HD, this is it. i love the way they handle the effects on this show - especially the documentary style camera handling. the ship effects are excellent. hate to be watching it the way i am though.
post #89 of 10191
BSG showed some imagination with the airing of its series premier. I liked the concept where the Ceylons tagged Colonial 1 so they could follow the fleet from jump to jump in their effort to exhaust the survivors and force a mistake. I'm impressed with Ceylon technology creating replicas of imbedded agents. The back-story on Caprica also intrigues me. Grace Park, aka Lt. Sharon Valerii (Boomer) is "hot!". Too bad she's a Ceylon replicant out to sabotage the Battlestar!

check out Battlestar Galactica on scifi.com
post #90 of 10191
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Originally posted by Iteki
But apparently Ben Browder from Farscape will now be starring in Stargate SG-1, so we'll see how that goes. I had stopped watching Stargate, but I'll watch it for Ben (he's got a family to feed :-)

What a shame he signed on for the wrong show. Wouldn't Ben Browder be just terrific as Apollo? The guy they ended up with is perhaps the weakest link in the show's cast, IMO. And SG-1 is nearing its end; BG may go on for several more years if more people discover how totally cool it is.
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