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post #61 of 6621
Thread Starter 
I just updated the data at the top of the thread to indicate that there MAY be a possible 1080p DLP chip upgrade between the 88 series and 68 series. I WANT TO EMPHASIS THAT ALL CHIP DATA IS CURRENTLY UNCONFIRMED.
post #62 of 6621
UCSB, thanks for all of your work on this thread. One thing - for those who use the AVS white color setting (Members Area, Preferences) the white text is very hard to read. I'm not sure what color would be better and have changed my color setup to AVS black for the time being. Thanks again!

For those of you who care, I did talk to both Cambryn and Kirk of TVA today regarding the new sets. They are trying to figure everything out after CES and will be updating their site with the new models over the next few days. Kirk said he had some pictures that they would be posting. For those who have made preorders they will be contacting you to update your orders.
post #63 of 6621
What will be most interesting to see is if Samsung really did learn their lesson this time and will pleasantly surprise us with their actual release dates instead of dissapoint like before.
post #64 of 6621
Quote:


Originally posted by UCSB
1. I really enjoy movies and I am looking forward to the release of HD DVD’s. I will go to HD DVD’s when they are available and it is my hope that the 1080p monitors will be compatible with the new 1080p HD DVD’s.

My understanding is that all of the 2005 batch of 1080p HDTV sets have 1080i input capability but not 1080p input capability.

I also have the impression that HD DVD players only output 1080i.

If I remember correctly, de-interlacing directly from 1080i to 1080p should give a very "true to the source" image unless a manufacturer de-interlaces 1080i to 520p instead of 1080p. I think scaling from 520p to 1080p would probably degrade the image.
post #65 of 6621
Do these new DLP units have VGA or "PC" inputs like previous models?

Great work, UCSB!
post #66 of 6621
Thread Starter 
Quote:


Originally posted by Low Roller
Do these new DLP units have VGA or "PC" inputs like previous models?

Great work, UCSB!

That is a really great question! I will update the open questions at the top of the thread to include it.

Here is a short quote from the Samsung press release: "The 68 series offers the ultimate in device connectivity with two HDM inputs, two component inputs, two composite video & one S-Video."
post #67 of 6621
HLR6168W (61, JUN 2005, MSRP $4,499)

GIVE TO ME NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*falls over*

I literally started stamping on the floor like a little boy when I read about this..... god I want my 1080p 61" tabletop love NOW!!!!

- D
post #68 of 6621
Thread Starter 
I have added the VGA / PC question into our list of open questions (it is open issue #13) --- here is where the open issues stand right now:

1. What is the PQ on the new 1080p models?

2. What TI DLP chips are used in the new models? TI and Samsung are not discussing chips, simply referring to 1080p chips and 720p chips. One press release from Optoma talked about a HD4 (720p) chip and therefore it is really tough to understand what is going on with these chips. When TI introduced the xHD3 (1080p) they claimed a 5000:1 contrast ratio, so it would seem they have a new chip since this has risen to 10000:1 now.

3. What are the depth measurements, and or dimensions, on the new models by model number? Even a couple of reference points would allow us to see the trend.

4. Which models will offer IEEE 1394 ports? What will be the capability of those ports? A news report from TWICE mentioned 1394, was it just in error? IEEE 1394 info was from www.twice.com (http://www.twice.com/article/CA491026.html).

5. What is the contrast ratio spec's for the HLR5087W 720p pedestal model?

6. Confirm the number of HDMI inputs on the 67 series 720p models. Will there be 1 or 2 HDMI inputs?

7. Are these all of the planned models for 2005, or will Samsung be adding models later in the year? Last year they announced all of the 2004 models at CES.

8. Why aren't there any 46 or 50 1080p sets? I would really like to see a 50. Many have commented that 1080p is not needed or wasted at these sizes, but that does not make sense to me as I sit here working on a small computer monitor with more resolution than a 1080p HDTV.

9. Which of the current models will be continuing? Specifically, what are the plans for the HLPxx74W, Tantus thin bezel models. Many planning to buy in 2005 might want to know the fate of this HD2+ unit.

10. Can the 68 series or 88 series 1080p sets accept a 1080p signal via the HDMI input? The general feeling is that the answer is NO ... but, did anyone ask this specific question?

11. What is the capability of the 68/88 series 1080p sets to handle computer/video gaming?

12. What computer resolutions are supported on the 1080p 68 and 88 series sets (1920x1080?)? How would this work through the HDMI connection (via DVI - HDMI cable?) See VGA / PC question below.

13. PRIORITY QUESTION: Is a VGA / PC connector going to be offered on any of the 2005 models?
post #69 of 6621
Quote:


Originally posted by Richard Paul
The person you spoke with definitely made that up. The HDCP license does not even mention resolution and certainly doesn't restrict it. Though it requires more expensive circuits for HDMI to accept 1080p there is no reason why it can't be done today. Basically the real reason we haven't seen a 1080p HDMI input is that none of the CE manufacturers bothered to order any most likely because of price.

Standard DVI can't do 1080p on a single link connection but HDMI can by using a reduced blanking interval of 5% (compared to just under 20% for DVI), which is part of the HDMI specification. Also the HDMI found on consumer electronics is single link though there is an HDMI specification for dual link. Since 1080p works fine on single link HDMI I would be surprised to see dual link HDMI inputs on HDTVs.

DVI 1.0 standard states that 1920X1080p at 60Hz is possible and 5% blanking is within spec.

www.ddwg.org

-Mr. Wigggles
post #70 of 6621
There is a great discussion going on over in the Sony 1080p thread about this issue. Starting nine posts down from the top "Owen" does a good job of explaining all of this. Link: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...00#post4964800
post #71 of 6621
UCSB, TetsujinWave just started a new thread with pictures from CES. He has a picture of the display card for a hlr5078w. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attac...937&fullpage=1 There is no mention of this model in the Samsung press release. I know several people had mentioned this set but then confusion set in. Apparently it does exist, but it is unclear how it fits in.
post #72 of 6621
Thread Starter 
WOW thanks schaffer970 ... TetsujinWave has some great PHOTOS, I'd encourage all to link over to the start of his thread.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=494251
post #73 of 6621
What I want to know is what show was he at. There is nothing in the Samsung press releases about the 78 series, but there the pictures are. 70 inches????
post #74 of 6621
The 70 inch placard also includes 1394 and Gemstar EPG along with the other standard features.
post #75 of 6621
Thread Starter 
Also, the photos are of a 70" and 50" models with enhanced sound capabilities. They seem to define a new series called the 78 series.
post #76 of 6621
Thread Starter 
OK ... with TetsujinWave's help maybe we can understand what we have here.
post #77 of 6621
Just when you thought it was safe to go outside The fun continues. Who would have thought new models would show up at this point?
post #78 of 6621
*curls into a ball and rocks gently back and forth, ocassionally looking at a piece of crumpled paper in his hand ... this paper contains scratchings ... not everything is legible ... we can make out "1080p", "10000:1", "61" Sammy" ... *

- D
post #79 of 6621
Was there a predicted delivery date for the 70"er? Also, is it clear what features the 70 "er has over the HLR6768 (other than 3"in diag!)?
post #80 of 6621
Did Samsung wait until Sunday to put them on the floor? Was the floor even open Sunday? Wild.
post #81 of 6621
I was told the Samsungs would continue to have the PC connection (VGA), as well as two HDMI slots for the black lacquer models and one HDMI slot for the floating pedestal models.

HL-RXX78W--"black lacquer" models
HL-RXX68W--"floating pedestal" models
post #82 of 6621
Thread Starter 
OK ... I have tentatively added the 78 series info to the top of this thread. Samsung if you are listening please let us know what is up ... at any rate this has added another open issue to our list. Current open issues are shown below.

1. What is the PQ on the new 1080p models?

2. What TI DLP chips are used in the new models? TI and Samsung are not discussing chips, simply referring to 1080p chips and 720p chips. One press release from Optoma talked about a HD4 (720p) chip and therefore it is really tough to understand what is going on with these chips. When TI introduced the xHD3 (1080p) they claimed a 5000:1 contrast ratio, so it would seem they have a new chip since this has risen to 10000:1 now.

3. What are the depth measurements, and or dimensions, on the new models by model number? Even a couple of reference points would allow us to see the trend.

4. Which models will offer IEEE 1394 ports? What will be the capability of those ports? A news report from TWICE mentioned 1394, was it just in error? IEEE 1394 info was from www.twice.com (http://www.twice.com/article/CA491026.html).

5. What is the contrast ratio spec's for the HLR5087W 720p pedestal model?

6. Confirm the number of HDMI inputs on the 67 series 720p models. Will there be 1 or 2 HDMI inputs?

7. Are these all of the planned models for 2005, or will Samsung be adding models later in the year? Last year they announced all of the 2004 models at CES.

8. Why aren't there any 46 or 50 1080p sets? I would really like to see a 50. Many have commented that 1080p is not needed or wasted at these sizes, but that does not make sense to me as I sit here working on a small computer monitor with more resolution than a 1080p HDTV.

9. Which of the current models will be continuing? Specifically, what are the plans for the HLPxx74W, Tantus thin bezel models. Many planning to buy in 2005 might want to know the fate of this HD2+ unit.

10. Can the 68 series or 88 series 1080p sets accept a 1080p signal via the HDMI input? The general feeling is that the answer is NO ... but, did anyone ask this specific question?

11. What is the capability of the 68/88 series 1080p sets to handle computer/video gaming?

12. What computer resolutions are supported on the 1080p 68 and 88 series sets (1920x1080?)? How would this work through the HDMI connection (via DVI - HDMI cable?) See VGA / PC question below.

13. PRIORITY QUESTION: Is a VGA / PC connector going to be offered on any of the 2005 models?

14. TOP PRIORITY QUESTION: Can anyone confirm that the 78 series 50" and 70" models are real production models?
post #83 of 6621
Thread Starter 
Thanks TetsujinWave ... not only do you find the high-end product. You solve two nagging issues on inputs. Thanks. I'll update the top of the thread. Questions 6 and 13 have been closed. Moving in the right direction!
post #84 of 6621
Thread Starter 
Kyungkim posted the 56" photo below when we just started gathering data ...

56" PHOTO

From my current understanding, it looks like a 56" version of a 78 series model. This would lead me to believe that there may be more models in the 78 series (maybe all of the 68 series sizes?). Kyungkim ... do you have the placecard that went with this unit?
post #85 of 6621
Thread Starter 
Quote:


Originally posted by TetsujinWave
I was told the Samsungs would continue to have the PC connection (VGA), as well as two HDMI slots for the black lacquer models and one HDMI slot for the floating pedestal models.

HL-RXX78W--"black lacquer" models
HL-RXX68W--"floating pedestal" models

Samsung's press release says that there are two HDMI inputs on the 68 series. But, I think that we have confirmed (I hope) that their is only one on the 67 series (which is a floating screen set).

Thanks for clearing up the "black lacquer" mystery.
post #86 of 6621
Thread Starter 
Here is a photo of the placecard on a Sharp DLP ... Notice TI HD4 DLP chip line and 2000:1 contrast ratio. The new 67 series 720p Samsungs also spec out at 2000:1. It is probably safe to start thinking about HD4 chips in the 67 series.

PHOTO
post #87 of 6621
Optoma claims to get 2500:1 out of the HD4, but they also claimed higher than anyone else numbers for the HD2, so it makes sense...
post #88 of 6621
UCSB, you might want to add a question regarding the lag for game consoles. I don't expect to get an answer anytime soon, but this is a concern for a lot of people and I would think that Samsung might have addressed this issue somehow.
post #89 of 6621
Sharp also displayed the XXDR650 series that used the HD3 chip. Cosmetically identical.
LL
post #90 of 6621
These articles do mention a 70 inch Samsung DLP set, but don't give any details:

http://news.designtechnica.com/article6238.html
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/ht...501060019.html
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