MyHD MDP-130 - Page 412

Finally was alerted to these recent thread posts....

I agree with Nani that coaxing recordings out of the MyHD timeshift buffers is "doing it the hard way". With HDHR dual tuners now well under a hundred bucks it makes far more sense to relegate MyHD to playback duty.

YES, but there are new models with three but only one antenna connection. The old ones have two tuners with two antenna connections allowing connection of antennas pointing in different directions.

 

 

 

A wireless mouse is used to control VLC Media Player which displays on the Windows desktop.

 

You CANNOT have MyHD doing timeshifting and VLV Media Player active. You lose the ability to control MyHD as said before. MyHD doing a capture appears to work most of the time.

 

MyHD was programmed to capture program listings that the stations send along with the video. They do an awful job of this, some send 2-3 hours in advance, some a bit more but most send nothing.

 

CW_EPG was started to provide a much better solution using listings from Zap2it which contain NO advertising. CW_EPG's team picked up on my comment that the listings were free and legal. Then I left to do something else so I have no part in the great CW_EPG team that added the automatic scheduling which is oh so very great and so very well done!

 

The listings now are now $25 / Year but I expect then to go up another $5-$10 and then disappear, when is unknown. It's a case of the listings are BIG $$$$ and fixed in price.

We users are declining so at some point money coming into SD will be less than what they must pay out and the end will occur.

 

I now have "GREAT" listings for 1/07/2013 to 1/16/2013.

 

I cannot do a screen capture of MyHD displaying the GREAT EPG onscreen, but here is the same data from MyHD's control panel.

 

Ever looked at this page?

 

EDIT: This does not show the complete data but only the program titles. MyHD's onscreen program listings also show Descriptions.

 

To give you a sample of the Descriptions here is a capture of CW_EPG showing Lettermans guests tonight. Brian Williams is on tomorrow night.

 

 

Note, you need a camera to capture what you see with MyHD, it's a Windows limitation.

 

(Click on these pictures to see larger versions.)

 

SHF

Edited by SFischer1 - 1/7/13 at 11:01am

Nani, I'd never seen either of those screens. The EPG is in the MyHD control panel? I'll have to give it another look.

I did some research yesterday on the HDHR devices. I read one very extensive review by a pretty technically proficient person who implied that the dual tuner model didn't come with a remote! That seems absurd, and I posted a comment but there's been no response as of yet AFAIK.

Your description of controlling things by virtue of a cordless mouse and controls on the desktop doesn't inspire confidence. One of the things I like so much about the MyHD app is instant control by a remote (my universal) when watching full screen video. This means I don't have to access my desktop at all. OK, I only read your post once, and I'll reread. I didn't know about 3 tuner models. I do have two antennas pointing in different directions, so a two connection model with two tuners sounds good, however if it doesn't have a remote, how do you control it? I can't always be sitting at my computer, I have a projector and sit on the opposite side of the room.

Really, parsing programs from the MyHD Buffer is a hassle but one I can live with. I've done so for several years. It's the lockups, program stalls, and lip synch issue that seriously frustrate me. Maybe an upgraded system (new mobo, etc.) will solve those. I rarely get a lockup anymore once I went to my USB 2TB HD for recorded programs, but the other two problems are serious!

Edit: I went into MyHD Control Panel and don't see that EPG. There is a "button" for "Guide" the lower left one among the 9 "buttons" on the right side of the Control Panel, but mine just launches TitanTV. None of the tabs when I click the lower right one that opens the tabbed section of the Control Panel give access to it. Is that outside of MyHD? Or is it what you get if you don't enable TitanTV launch?
Edited by Muse - 1/7/13 at 3:24pm

Hi,

 

You do not control the HDHR tuners, you have CW_EPG to schedule HDHR captures and then do them. It works just as reliably as the MyHD captures which you also schedule using CW_EPG. You can see all your captures at the same time and delete them on the "Scheduled Items tab". The one thing you cannot do is adjust the start and end times like the capture tab in MyHD offers. But with the start and end padding CW_EPG offers that seldom is necessary.

 

There is no remote for the HDHR. NONE! Yes, they thought about one and put a sensor in the box but AFAIK no one ever created one.

 

 

EDIT: MythTV is one, see post below.

 

 

MyHD is connected to my HDTV using the VGA input and the HD button on the MyHD remote allows switching between the desktop and MyHD video display.

 

When using MyHD to watch a capture I use my (More powerful perhaps than yours ) remote. (MyHD driving the display)

 

When using VLC Media Player to watch a capture I use the wireless trackball to do the controlling. (MyHD NOT driving the display)

 

When using Fusion to watch a capture I use my remote. (MyHD NOT driving the display)

 

When watching DTV using the rotten tuner in My HDTV I use the remote. HTPC perhaps off, perhaps doing a capture, perhaps downloading the program guide from SD and scheduling captures. (Soon, 3:46PM is when CW_EPG does it's magic.)

 

The other tasks I use the wireless trackball for is moving captures to my NAS and dragging captures from either the HTPC or the NAS to the VLC and Fusion Icons. Captures to be viewed using MyHD can only be dragged from the HTPC, it cannot play captures on the NAS. I do sometimes move a capture from the NAS to the HTPC so I can view it using MyHD.

 

The on screen keyboard is used much more that the keyboard plugged into the HTPC, and that is very seldom.

 

You talk about a mouse, that would not work where you watch DTV.  A trackball is required.

 

So, with the remote in one hand, the trackball in the other, I just do it.

 

All this is a sea change for you. Trying to continue doing things like you have done in the past is not a good plan IMHO.

 

I suggest you start the change just by spending $25 for the program listings and start using CW_EPG. It may take a long time to learn all of CW_EPG judging by what you are missing in MyHD's controller. 

 

Then a HDHR can be added.

 

I think that $25 just for the program listings is a good investment, I am very glad that TitanTV, TVGUIDE, Zap2IT and all the other on screen webpages with their ads I have never used.

 

SHF

Edited by SFischer1 - 1/7/13 at 6:56pm

 

Hi,

 

If you have MyHD set up to use TitanTV, then you need to clear the "Use Web EPG" checkbox on the VGA tab.

 

You will see program data from the stations only after tuning to that station.

 

 

 

 

Again, TitanTV must be disabled.

 

SHF

Bingo! Go into config and toggle that setting to enable viewing of the broadcasters' PSIP EPG either on the DTV display or the controller tab on the Pc's desktop. If you then install CW_EPG you'll see the Schedules Direct EPG in those places instead

Muse,

 

If I remember correctly, if you go to TitanTV and schedule a capture, it still will work.

 

SHF

Yes, TitanTV is not "disabled", just the quick access is turned off in favor of the PSIP info.

I have no clue how a remote for the HDHomeRun would even work, given the way that streams are sent over the network to specific target. Without some other device telling the HDHR that it is the target, how would the HDHR know where the stream is supposed to go?

I suppose if the remote were used, it could automatically put the HDHR in "multicast" mode and then have a really simple program on your display device that just watches the network for HDHR packets and reads them. The problem then is having multiple HDHR tuners...you'd still need to tell the display device which tuner to use.

Hi,

 

It has been a very long time since I looked at the HDHR remote control capability.

 

At that time I was well educated by "JP1" as to how remotes work and I vaguely remember thinking that it would work.

 

Now having two HDHRs I can understand your concerns.

 

I did a quick search in the forums and found that I must correct my previous statement.

 

There are programs that use the remote IR capability on the original two tuner HDHRs.

 

I leave it as an exercise for you to find the discussions in the forums, I just read several messages suggesting that MythTV is one.

 

http://www.silicondust.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=68918#68918

 

"hdhomerun_development.pdf"

 

http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/hdhomerun_development.pdf

 

See the IR commands!

 

 

For JP1:

 

http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/

 

SHF

OK, that makes sense. It forwards the IR command to the specified IP address:port, which allows whatever is listening to decide what to do about it. It's kind of cool, as that makes it a networked IR receiver, which could have its uses even without the TV tuners. I have the new mini units (HDHR3), so there is no IR receiver on them.

Since they are in my server room (to reduce the number of network hops to the recording machines), it doesn't matter anyway. My HTPC can connect to watch TV with no issue, and it has its own IR receiver.

The HDHR was the tool that allowed me to finish getting all my media-related PCs (except the HTPC) running as VMs. Now that everything is working, I finally have no use for the MyHD cards, which is sad, as it really allowed me to keep using very old hardware. But, if anybody wants them, send me a PM and we can work out something.

Hi,

 

You got it figured out quickly. My brain was in overdrive trying to shorten the description should you ask.

 

SHF

I had no clue! I do believe that the default is/was to launch TitanTV and I simply left it there. I don't need that, I can always get TitanTV directly in my browser, which is usually up. In fact my browser is Firefox, so I've always wondered if I could get MyHD to just bring up a TitanTV window or tab in a current window in Firefox instead of launching IE, which has been an annoyance.

Hi,

 

I got my digital camera out to take pictures of my CM4228HD antenna and realized that NBC Nightly news was on and it might be a good time to try and capture the MyHD on screen Electronic Program Guide display.

 

I got the shot I wanted but, sorry Brian, your eyes were closed just at the wrong time.

 

 

Click on picture for larger view.

 

SHF

Hey, Terry!

Someone said MyHD can't run on a virtual machine,right?

Now is this how you got the app/driver combo to run on W7?

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-CA/windows-vista/Make-older-programs-run-in-this-version-of-Windows

or here?

http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/316-compatibility-mode.html

Thinking of making the jump, finally, for all my SATA drives and two SSDs.

Yes, the Microsoft recipe should do the trick as long as you install the 32-bit version of Windows.

Well, for now I am only working 32-bit and going 64 in PCLinuxOS.
Also re-thinking hardware as that newer (single F-connector) HDHR
is also available here for under 100 bucks, mainly from newegg.ca .

If I get......will have questions on running the PLM utility.
Plus DVR software in absence of media centre on the
200MB [nLite] version of XPP in the one room.

I signed up at sevenforums because its' better than buying a book.

Check out eBay. I got two of them for US$120 total including shipping, and one was brand new in box.

I unchecked the thing in Control Panel to use TitanTv as the program guide, but I still don't see the EPG. Where is it?
- - -
I just received my gigabit switch, so I have enough connections to support a dual HDHR. So, if I understand things, I can plug in my two antennas to this thing and get video streamed to my network by ethernet into my switch. What can I do in terms of setting up a DVR that I can control from either my computer or by remote control? Can I use any of the MyHD functionality?
Edited by Muse - 1/27/13 at 5:03pm

Muse, don't you see a program grid on screen when you press the Guide button on the remote? (I.e., while you're viewing live TV)

Regarding you r second question, cheek out the readme from the CW_EPG thread.

Hi, What EPG you see will depend on what the station is sending. As I said before, some send 2 hours, some a little more but most stations send nothing.

 

You need to be tuned to a station for a few seconds and some sub-channels have no data.

 

Checking I see EPG from PSIP 2,4,5,7,11,20,22,26,and 32 was the first with no EPG data. Suprise!

 

When CW_EPG is set up then you will see a full program guide for ~ 10 days, for those stations you have selected as MyHD favorites.

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As far as a DVR, CW_EPG is your DVR. It's helper which does the captures is as good as MyHD's one which is also scheduled. Make sure you have set MyHD to give priority to captures.

 

BUT! You are OTA so you may get some zero byte captures, or some captures that have missing parts. HDHR's tuners are better than MyHD's ones, but if there is no good signal, nothing can help.

 

Let me try again to explain how you use CW_EPG.

 

When you have it set up you have your tuner(s) defined for the stations it gets best in order by each channel.

 

Your watch list is what the programs you want to capture, after the program listings are downloaded the watch list is checked and programs you have not seen are scheduled.

 

This is a hands off operation!

 

 

Now, because of the way I use CW_EPG, I check the programs that have been scheduled after the 3:46 PM run and delete duplicates. It's the way KQED Inc. chooses to mess me up. YMMV

 

If you have not scheduled MyHD captures then you can use MyHD as you wish, if a capture is to be done by MyHD then the capture will start interrupting what you were doing with MyHD.

 

See my previous post about remotes and trackballs.

 

SHF

I rarely do captures, what I've been doing 97+% of the time, really more, is time shifts, there are two reasons:

1. I can come in during the program and start from any point I want (e.g. from the beginning) while still recording the rest. AFAIK, this can't be done with a capture without foregoing the rest of the program.

2. If there's a program going on at the same time I'm watching the time shift, I can change MyHD's tuned channel (assuming I'm OK with not recording any more of the original channel), and watch the 2nd channel's programming later.

Of course, granular control using the remote control (I always use my programmable universal, not MyHD's), is extremely important.

It's things like that that I don't want to lose. Is CW_EPG part of this? Can I do these things with the HDHR's? I just don't know the ropes, I've only used a MyHD (well, before that I used Winfast TV cards, but the picture was horrible compared to MyHDs!). I'd really like to leave lip-synch issues behind me, perhaps another motherboard/CPU/etc. will accomplish that.
Edited by Muse - 1/28/13 at 12:03pm

I have never pressed the Guide button on the remote, it had escaped me. I'll check that out. Thanks.

Hi,

 

I and most of the people that use HDHR, CW_EPG and MyHD. Do Captures.

 

You keep repeating your old flawed methods which are what Terry and I have tried to get you to understand is not the way MyHD was designed to be used.

 

When you have installed your HDHR let's go to the HDHR thread where we can answer questions about the basic operation of HDHR.

 

Then when you have a idea what stations come in from which antenna you can move on to using CW_EPG as a DVR (Program listings from SD required).

 

HDHomeRun - Dual ATSC or QAM to Ethernet Box

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/newestpost/731457/hdhomerun-dual-atsc-or-qam-to-ethernet-box/60

 

SHF

OK, thank you. One question, though: Is it possible to watch a program whose recording is in progress from anywhere inside the capture? MyHD allows that by virtue of its afterthought timeshifting feature set. Can it be done with a capture being done with the HDHR?

Hi,

 

YES, I just did it with the Ten O'Clock news.

 

VLC Media Player 1.1.9 is what I use, if you have any problems with the latest version go back to it.

 

http://www.videolan.org/vlc/index.html

 

Two points, If you get caught up VLC will close. There is no remote so I control it with my wireless trackball.

 

I just tried MyHD, no go. Just like playing from a network file, it does not work. It will when the capture is over.

 

Fusion was worse, I had to kill it from the task bar.

 

If VLC can do it there must be others.

 

http://www.search.com/search?q=video+players

 

SHF

I'm going to miss being able to control an in-progress recording (being watched) with a remote. From my computer chair using my 23" LCD, maybe not so much, although I often use my remote even then. But from my easy chair using my projector and large screen in a completely darkened room, the remote is all I use. I do have a wireless keyboard and wireless mouse that I have on occasion used when I want more control of the HTPC than I can get with the remote, but it must be a year since I've done that. Well, I guess I'll have to weigh my options here. I have a lot of things on my plate, have to prioritize, prioritize, prioritize!

Muse, maybe it's finally time for you to separate the hardware for recording and playback. Have you looked at streamers, such as the popcorn hour or Roku models? Those will give you the same high PQ as MyHD and a full remote control.

I've heard some about the Roku. Could I use that to have effective remote control of an in progress recording done by an HDHR or MyHD? I know the Roku isn't very expensive, less than $100 IIRC. Gotta solve the lip synch issue, of course.

I don't have direct experience with Roku boxes, but from my experience with TViX, Tizzbird, and several other streamers I'm very confident that it (the "HD" model, anyway) would play all your HDTV recordings without issues.
Edited by TPeterson - 2/1/13 at 8:44am