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post #271 of 2187
Bob,

A 2002 model... must have been the 82 series. The 81 didn't have DVI. Anyway, that's all I needed to hear... I'm off to buy the cable! Thanks a million. Your post are always incredibly helpful.

(New mantra: "56-Point Convergence is fun. 56-Point Convergence is fun.")

Mike
post #272 of 2187
The Lumagen HDP is so tempting, but it seems that much more than the Iscan, it is mainly for the power user. I'll have to make the decision on SDI in a couple of months when my 59AVi gets sent to JVB for their code-free mod.
post #273 of 2187
Thread Starter 
By the way, I'm sure others already know this, but I figured this out last night:

In order to get past forced trailers and go directly to the beginning of the movie, simply hit the "stop" button twice in a row while the trailer is playing, then hit "play". The movie will start from the beginning. From that point you can also hit the "menu" button to go to the main DVD menu if desired.
post #274 of 2187
I didn't know that, so ... thanks!
post #275 of 2187
Thread Starter 
It's nice to contribute to the thread I started once in a while....it doesn't happen all that much!

post #276 of 2187
Quote:


Originally posted by Rob Tomlin
By the way, I'm sure others already know this >

In order to get past forced trailers and go directly to the beginning of the movie, simply hit the "stop" button twice in a row while the trailer is playing, then hit "play". The movie will start from the beginning. From that point you can also hit the "menu" button to go to the main DVD menu if desired.



Great tip Rob, thanks. Does it work with the FBI warnings? I'm not home to test.
post #277 of 2187
Initial impressions:
I finally got to play a bit last night after the family retired to the bedrooms. I popped in North by Northwest to check out basic PQ, and it looks good. Don't forget I'm using an old CRT, so my expectations are archaic. I'll be checking out many more DVDs when I can. I'm particularly interested to see how it handles classic B&W films; also Star Trek DS9 episodes, many of which exhibited horrible artifacts on the old machine.

Next to music: I tried two favorite RBs: old Bernstein/Copland, then Kate Bush's Hounds of Love. I was really knocked out by both. When I got to Hounds, I had intended to sample 30 seconds or so of each track, but I enjoyed it so much, I stopped to listen for much longer. The difference on RB from the old Sony is dramatic. I also sampled my only DVD-A (Brain Salad Surgery), which sounded better than the DVD track I could use before, but that's no comparison. This morning I tried my hybrid Peter Gabriel Security. It, too, sounded better than before. I was particularly interested in problems the old machine developed w/ the SACD layer of this disc: it would freeze at certain points for about 30 seconds, then resume. The 59 handled the disc w/ no errors, so it either tracks better or the old machine's laser had gotten misaligned.

Cheers,
Doug
post #278 of 2187
Thread Starter 
Quote:


Originally posted by PaulT_BC


Great tip Rob, thanks. Does it work with the FBI warnings? I'm not home to test.

To be honest, I am not sure about the FBI warnings. I'll have to specifically try that as well.
post #279 of 2187
doug,
Even though you've got an old TV, be sure to take the time to calibrate it for your new player (i.e., setting the basic blacks/whites/colors/sharpness levels). The correct settings for your new player are likely to be different from those that worked best with your old player.

If you have never used a "calibration" DVD before you really owe it to yourself to get one and spend some time putting it to use. The popular ones out there are Avia and Digital Video Essentials (DVE). I tend to prefer Avia, but each has a few "advanced" tests that the other does not have.

The factory default settings for your TV are almost certain to be incorrect. Most manufacturers ship TVs with defaults that are disparagingly called the "torch" modes -- overly bright/contrasty, overly red, and overly sharpness processed -- designed to attract shoppers' eyes under the garish lighting found in stores.

If you've never done calibration before, you will not be able to adjust your TV properly by eye alone since you've gotten too used to what a "wrong" picture looks like. Trust me on this, a calibrated picture, particularly one from a top end player such as the 59avi, will be much nicer even on an old TV.
--Bob
post #280 of 2187
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, has anybody else noticed that when setting with Avia's brightness bars and then comparing it to the dve brightness setting...that at least on my setup (and for all the dvd players Ive had)..the avia settings for brightness are always 4 clicks lower then DVE ?

Anybody ?
post #281 of 2187
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Originally posted by psujohny
Side note, has anybody else noticed that when setting with Avia's brightness bars and then comparing it to the dve brightness setting...that at least on my setup (and for all the dvd players Ive had)..the avia settings for brightness are always 4 clicks lower then DVE ? ..I split the difference between the two and lower brightness by 2 clicks on dve and 2 clicks higher on avia ..I wonder though, which is the most correct..avia or dve ?

It sounds like this may be a good separate thread topic. Is this only with the 59avi or did it also occur with the Sony 999ES and Denon 3910?

I have both so I'll look tonight time permitting.
post #282 of 2187
Quote:


It sounds like this may be a good separate thread topic. Is this only with the 59avi or did it also occur with the Sony 999ES and Denon 3910

All 3 and a couple of other players as well ..,

Your proabably right though, should go on another thread I suppose..Just wondered if anyone else has seen it ..
post #283 of 2187
Thanks, Bob, I had certainly planned on getting a calibration disc when we get an HDTV, but it's a good idea to do it now, too. I actually wrote down the settings I liked in the manual when I set up the TV years ago, but of course the player affects it, as well as the age of the tube. Speaking of age, is there any disc that will correct MY vision?
post #284 of 2187
doug,
By all means get a calibration disc (or two) and get used to using them now. When you go hunting for HDTVs eventually, you will discover that it is almost impossible to evaluate them in stores because they are set up so badly in stores. But if you bring along your own calibration DVD and can talk them into hooking up a DVD player (or even bring your own player along), it only takes a few minutes to get a reasonable "ball park" set of settings on any TV. That will give you at least a fighting chance of seeing what your candidate TVs are truly capable of doing.

As for improving your vision, there's some pretty eye-popping stuff on HDTV these days, as well as what you'll be able to see when you get your TV properly set up with your 59avi. My eye doctor tells me my vision has actually improved recently -- no doubt due to watching HDTV and good DVDs.

--Bob
post #285 of 2187
Ditto on AVIA. It made a night and day difference when I replaced my Panasonic RP62 with the 59avi.

Also guys, any info on an all region mod/hack for our player?
post #286 of 2187
Quote:


Originally posted by moribund

Also guys, any info on an all region mod/hack for our player?

You have to perform a physical hack to the player. JVB digital did mine for me. $125 of the service, plus shipping to their offices in Michigan. There isn't a sub-menu change or firmware change to modify the player for code free play.

Ron
post #287 of 2187
1) Assuming that the 59 and 868 are te same there are region free hack not HW but SW.

There is a swiss company (dvdupgrades.ch) which makes a patched firmware to make region
free, disable macrovision and UOP but (for me) is still too expensive..(they send you the IF cable
and the FW with a internet connection)


2) I remember seeing somwhere online

(edited: found at http://www.videohelp.com/dvdhacks.ph...Pioneer+DV-868)

that there is a programmable sequence of IR codes which can be used with programmable
remote control (e.g. Pronto) to also switch the player to region free but I do not know how true this is...
post #288 of 2187
Thread Starter 
Quote:


Originally posted by PaulT_BC


Great tip Rob, thanks. Does it work with the FBI warnings? I'm not home to test.

I tried it again last night, specifically pressing the "stop" button twice at the FBI warning, then pressing "play". Sure enough, passed right by the FBI warning and the movie started at the beginning (you don't even go to the main menu, which is something I would normally only need if I am looking for the DTS track instead of Dolby Digital).
post #289 of 2187
Well guys, I finally decided to exchange the Denon 2910 for the 59AVi! It kinda pisses me off because I spent so much money buying the 6 analog cables, but being able to use 1 cable for DTS, DD, SACD and DVD-A was just too tempting. The 2910 suffered from too much green push even with all of the firmware updates. Can someone post a link to where I can download the firmware updates for the 59AVi?
post #290 of 2187
Thread Starter 
Unfortunately it doesn't appear that Pioneer allows you to download the firmware updates.

What Firmware version are you running? To find out how to check, see the first post on in this thread.
post #291 of 2187
Quote:


Originally posted by virus
Well guys, I finally decided to exchange the Denon 2910 for the 59AVi! It kinda pisses me off because I spent so much money buying the 6 analog cables, but being able to use 1 cable for DTS, DD, SACD and DVD-A was just too tempting. The 2910 suffered from too much green push even with all of the firmware updates. Can someone post a link to where I can download the firmware updates for the 59AVi?

I have the 6 analog cables as well. Does that mean I can disconnect my coaxial cable? If so, it would just be easier for me to not have to switch the input selections each time and confuse myself even more. I'm desperately hoping my new remote (macros) will "fix" this whole headache. lol
post #292 of 2187
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Originally posted by cissado
I have the 6 analog cables as well. Does that mean I can disconnect my coaxial cable? If so, it would just be easier for me to not have to switch the input selections each time and confuse myself even more. I'm desperately hoping my new remote (macros) will "fix" this whole headache. lol

From everything I've read, the i-Link cable replaces everything.
post #293 of 2187
Using I-link to an I-link equipped receiver is a one cable solution for ALL disc and audio formats.

Similarly, using 6 analog audio cables to a multi-channel pre-amp (which may also be a receiver) is also a complete solution.

That is, you can let your I-link equipped receiver do all the work or you can let the 59avi do all the work. If you hook them both up you can switch between them (after making the proper speaker setup settings on both sides) and see which you prefer for any given disc or audio format.

For people who don't have an I-link equipped receiver and still want to use audio processing functions such as bass management that might be fancier in your receiver than in the 59avi you have to do things differently.

You can hook up digital audio via optical or coax digital audio jacks, or even via HDMI if your receiver has HDMI inputs, but these digital audio connections will only truly work for normal CDs and video DVDs. When listening to DVD-Audio or SACD discs you will either get no audio or a reduced quality version of the audio.

Some receivers have multi-channel audio inputs and offer the option to "process" the audio coming in on those inputs over and above basic volume control. In such case you could use the 6 cable analog audio connections to your receiver and simply set the 59avi to do nothing to the signal beyond decoding and conversion from digital to analog format, and then set the receiver to do things like time alignment and bass management. Or the other way around. Try both and see which you like best.
--Bob
post #294 of 2187
Do any of you 59avi owners have the 55txi or other ilinked Elite receiver?

If so, what kind of improvements could I expect for SACD and red book playback utilizing ilink? Would it come close to the SP1000? What kind of sonic characteristics does it have?

Sorry if this is somewhat out of thread topic. Please PM me if necessary.
post #295 of 2187
Which has better audio, the 56TXi or the 59AVi for all formats? What SACD/DVD-A connections do you like best, i-Link or analog? I realize that this is preference, but your input is greatly appreciated.
post #296 of 2187
Couple of impressions.....I have the 59 TXi connected via i-link to the 59 AVi. I con't comment about SQ with the 56 TXi as I've never heard it.

What I can say is that i-link have better SQ via i-link vs analog, toslink or coax digi connections (more detailed). Plus, via i-link, I can use the MCACC (including BM) of the 59 TXi with hi-rez audio disks.

Don't know much about the SP1000 since I'm not an Onkyo fan.
post #297 of 2187
i-Link & hi-rez: Unless something's changed recently or I'm very mistaken (the latter is a distinct possibility), SACD & DVD-A signals can only be passed via analog cables. I know that Denon has been given permission to send the signal digitally via i-Link when SACD 2.0 comes out, but not now.

Doug
post #298 of 2187
doug,
This is a common confusion. I-link and Denon-link are not the same thing. Denon-link is a proprietary form of connection that Denon launched to get a jump on the then up-coming I-link only to run into resistance from the folks who license and control the exotic audio formats. Denon is still trying to fight their way back from that fiasco. Mind you Denon has right on their side on this. There's really no reason Denon-link SHOULDN'T be authorized to carry those formats.

I-link (also called IEEE1394 and "firewire") has been the approved digital connection for the exotic audio formats since they were launched.

I-link output from the 59avi will carry digital audio for all formats from all disc types supported by the 59avi at full bandwidth and in multi-channel for those formats that are recorded in multi-channel. I-link also supports "chaining" of devices -- multiple devices interconnected by a daisy-chain of I-link cables -- and device control functions. The device control functions are optional in the standard and will likely only work between devices from the same manufacturer (much like remote control codes are different between different manufacturers).

I-link device control is what lets the 59txi receiver automatically switch inputs to the DVD player when you hit Play on the I-link connected 59avi player for example. This is particularly useful if you have more than one source device on the I-link chain.

I-link only carries audio, and thus can not provide a single cable solution for both audio and video switching. The expectation is that future upgrades of HDMI will be used for that even with the exotic audio formats, but of course HDMI is only point to point (not daisy chained), has no device control yet, and is not licensed up to the same level as I-link yet. HDMI 1.0 (as shipped on the 59avi) can not carry DVD-Audio or SACD at full bandwidth multi-channel. HDMI 1.1 which is just now shipping on some devices is licensed for DVD-Audio. HDMI 1.2 which is in the rumor mill right now is expected to be licensed for SACD as well.

Meanwhile SACD is going through its own changes with SACD version 2.0 expected to hit about the same time as the new high-def DVD players are launched. The current SACD version is 1.3. That's the version I-link currently carries and Denon-link is still fighting to be allowed to carry. What will be different about SACD 2.0 has not been nailed down yet but it is likely that it will include features such as enhanced copy protection that will require new hardware at both ends of the cable. I.e., current SACD 1.3 devices will not be upgradeable to 2.0. Whether that also means there will be new SACD discs that current devices can not play is also not clear yet.
--Bob
post #299 of 2187
Quote:


Originally posted by dougotte
i-Link & hi-rez: Unless something's changed recently or I'm very mistaken (the latter is a distinct possibility), SACD & DVD-A signals can only be passed via analog cables. I know that Denon has been given permission to send the signal digitally via i-Link when SACD 2.0 comes out, but not now.

Doug

Denon has always been allowed to send DD/DTS through i-Link. They just recently got permission to use it through their Denon Link.
post #300 of 2187
Bob Pariseau - please check your PM.
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