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post #61 of 98
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Originally posted by tvted
Are you sure its not shallow depth of field which becomes more apparent as the screen gets larger?

As far as I know and no one has proved otherwise, Smoothscreen is done via a prism in the light path so ther is no algorithm involved.

ted
My bad, I figured it was some sort of digital processing. It still does seem to blur distant/small objects...
post #62 of 98
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Originally posted by REL77
4.5Hours + 4Hours + 3.75Hours =12.25Hours of LOTR.... WOW!!!!
Yes, I started at about 10:30a.m. and with a short break finished up just before midnight when the eleventy-first ending was done. Back on topic, the cable guy came by today to rewire my other room (new TV means moving around the old one(s)). I was asking him about dual tuner HD PVR availability, and I happened to notice my (single tuner) was on pause, so I turned on the Panny, not even really giving it a second thought. The cable guy was this little chinese guy, standing behing me, and he just goes "ohh-ohh!:eek:" when he saw the screen. He asked how much I had paid, and just about fell over when I told him. He had just gotten a 60 inch Sony something-or-other (I'm thinking DLP RP) and paid over 6 grand. I told him my screen 96x54, amounts to a 110" diagonal. As much as these things are selling like gangbusters, I still think they have just begun to scratch the surface. A lot of people still don't know about the price/performance ratio of these things.
post #63 of 98
Yes,

as long as major major resellers keep the projectors stowed away on a forgotten shelf nobody is going to have such a reaction at Best Buy or Circuit City.

But little by little customers will get to know them and want them.

Pinco
post #64 of 98
thats all about to change pinco. radio shack, target and others will soon be selling and featuring projectors.they will have the dvd player built in and be able to view in lit rooms
post #65 of 98
Target selling projectors there biggest tv is like a 36'' geez when is this gonna happen?
post #66 of 98
I've seen 42" plasmas at Walmart!!! Still expensive though!

Bud
post #67 of 98
Costco has the InFocus on its floor in the Bay Area, but their "display" is projecting onto about an 24" diagonal whiteboard, set back maybe 3-4', right alongside and between a 37" Sharp LCD and a big Panasonic thin panel under high fluorescent lights - both the thin panels make the projector look pretty puny, under those conditions.

So mainstream stores are starting to carry projectors, but "featuring them" would be going too far ;) :(.

What dvd players are you new AE700 owners using?

I started to check profiles for gear, but most of you haven't given that info here, and a search didn;t yield much either. I have a Pioneer Elite DV-09 -which was top of the heap, pre-progressive, when I set up my dedicated HT six years ago. It's now time to replace the outmoded Sony 400Q I have, and add HDTV via the Comcast/Motorola 6412 DVR dual tuner. But I'd love to get another generation's use out of the DV-09 if practical, since HD DVD is around the corner, the DV-09 is built like a tank and cost an arm and a leg in its day, provided PQ on DVD won't suffer too much.
post #68 of 98
costo in canada sell these by any chance?
post #69 of 98
I've called Costco, and they told me I'd have to come down and see. Well I live 300 kms away - not an option. I'd suggest giving them a call, they micht be more helpful at a different coscto.

PF
post #70 of 98
i just saw the infocus sp500 in sams club .they sell it with a 92 inch screen.horrible the way its displayed but i did notice the picture was viewable even in the high florecent light environment.i dont know how many people are old enough to remember radio shack and how early they were to sell computers .dont be so surprised to see projectors going mainstream.dont worry either.it will benifit us all in the end
post #71 of 98
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Originally posted by AVWH

What dvd players are you new AE700 owners using?
I am running mine off a Momitsu V880DX which is all that I want to pay for until the new HD players become available end of this year. The Momitsu does a great job but it can be frustrating using the remote.
post #72 of 98
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Originally posted by mav
I am running mine off a Momitsu V880DX which is all that I want to pay for until the new HD players become available end of this year. The Momitsu does a great job but it can be frustrating using the remote.
Have you looked at a universal remote like Harmony or Pronto to run the Momitsu plus your other HT gear?

The Momitsu shows up quite a bit here on the forums - it strikes me as an almost hybrid HTPC/dvd player - would that be a fair, if not superficial, assessment?
post #73 of 98
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Originally posted by AVWH
Have you looked at a universal remote like Harmony or Pronto to run the Momitsu plus your other HT gear?

The Momitsu shows up quite a bit here on the forums - it strikes me as an almost hybrid HTPC/dvd player - would that be a fair, if not superficial, assessment?
Yes that would be a generalised account of the Momitsu, they seem to be on the ball with firmware enhancements of the machine which is a bonus.

I am going to get URC most probably a MX 850 which is why I am not to concerned with the Momitsu's remote. I definitely need a URC I have remotes lying around everywhere.
post #74 of 98
the momitsu is nice, but the only one I see on their site is only 802.11b. Good luck playing video's across that. MP3 would be so so, but ideally you should actually wire the projector to your lan if you plan to use it like that.

If they had a 802.11g, I'd be all over it.
post #75 of 98
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Originally posted by almostgoth
It still does seem to blur distant/small objects...
I don't know how it would do that. MPEG data does not provide depth information hence there is no way of differentiating foreground from background, and if Smoothscreen is indeed optical then it would act on the entire image field in a uniform manner.

Unlike video games, things on screen in filmed material are not "objects" and unlike video games which are rendered, lenses are subject to "depth of field" constraints.

Are you a gamer and thus expecting foreground and background to be in uniform focus?

Are you familiar with photography and the way lenses work?

Have you fed the PJ an HDTV source yet? Many forget that DVD is in fact a low resolution source (NTSC) and provides images of limited detail.
What input on the 700 are you using?

If you are dissatisfied and somewhat adventurous you can get more control and sharper images utilizing an HTPC with ZOOMPLAYER, FFDSHOW, and a good codec. If you hook up a PC to the display, try downloading a 720p file from the Microsoft WMV site and see what a true high def signal is capable of on this display. It is quite enlightening.

I would suggest also that foreground / background differences not apparent on a 32 inch CRT would become readily apparent on a screen 4 to 6 times its area.

ted
post #76 of 98
this thing about depth of field is silly. either your looking at a screen that is not completely flat or your confucing images in the bckground that would normaly be so much smaller youd not notice the lack of focus until that image is blown up a lot bigger.
post #77 of 98
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Originally posted by rday1960
thats all about to change pinco. radio shack, target and others will soon be selling and featuring projectors.they will have the dvd player built in and be able to view in lit rooms
Good for all. However, as AVWH pointed out the units are in most cases not on demo (yet). A couple of years ago Best Buy had a small room for projectors but then they dismantled it and made more room for the big screen big$ TVs.

Anyway it is true that setting up PJ Home Theaters in showrooms is not a peace of cake. Customers will enter dark rooms at large retailers? And the calibration issue? Returns are also an issue: 15% - 20% restocking fee is an expensive error (I made one myself after viewing lots of rainbows).

B&H in NYC told me that they will revamp their hole PJ area with increased light control. They already have about 16 PJ on display but the viewing conditions are really poor.

Pinco
post #78 of 98
I heard about projectors from a friend who had an infocus. From there I did the research, and found that my local Ultimate Electronics had a projector room. They had a couple of high-ends and an epson sitting on the coffee table. Of course when I looked online, everyone was excited about the new Panny, which was probably skewed somewhat because it was so new... Anyway, I got it from one of the sponsor sites here; Apex. I suspect that after my upcoming superbowl party, there will be a few more enlightened souls :)
post #79 of 98
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by tvted
I don't know how it would do that. MPEG data does not provide depth information hence there is no way of differentiating foreground from background, and if Smoothscreen is indeed optical then it would act on the entire image field in a uniform manner.

Unlike video games, things on screen in filmed material are not "objects" and unlike video games which are rendered, lenses are subject to "depth of field" constraints.

Are you a gamer and thus expecting foreground and background to be in uniform focus?

Are you familiar with photography and the way lenses work?

Have you fed the PJ an HDTV source yet? Many forget that DVD is in fact a low resolution source (NTSC) and provides images of limited detail.
What input on the 700 are you using?

If you are dissatisfied and somewhat adventurous you can get more control and sharper images utilizing an HTPC with ZOOMPLAYER, FFDSHOW, and a good codec. If you hook up a PC to the display, try downloading a 720p file from the Microsoft WMV site and see what a true high def signal is capable of on this display. It is quite enlightening.

I would suggest also that foreground / background differences not apparent on a 32 inch CRT would become readily apparent on a screen 4 to 6 times its area.

ted
Haven't tried HD sources yet, I'm looking forward to the experience though. I am aware that a low resolution source may just look poor blown up to such an extent. But my gut perception is that certain items on the screen seem more blurred that they should be at that size. I'm aware that we're speaking of a 2 d image, and of the effects of depth of field on focus in camera work. Perhaps the bluriness is just more noticable on certain colour contrasts? At any rate I don't want this to overshadow the fact that I am ecstatic about this projector....
post #80 of 98
AVWS,

I'm personally using a recently purchased Toshiba SD-V592, and am generally pleased. while it can provide a variety of progressive & interlaces signal modes, 1080i seems to give the best PQ over 720P.

I can't provide more than a semi-subjective assessment as I don't own all the measurement equipment/time/inclination to do a comparison... I'd suggest you visit www.hometheaterhifi.com, www.theprojectorpeople.com, or even eopinion.com to get convenient user/tester information.

So, after many, many hours & days of both online research & shopping/demos, I settled on this unit for affordability & availability reasons. There's simply too many to choose from nowadays, but you can narrow down the choices based on simple factors such as signal compatibility, connector outputs, and what you intend to use it for.

I playing with all-too-many combinations of signal types, cabling, & equip't settings. my experience (and equipment list) bears that the AE700 clearly delivers the best overall PQ via HD 1080i thru the DVI port from a Dish mdl 811 HD rcvr. Next best signal quality (practically imperceptable degradation) was HD via the component connections, also 1080i from this HD rcvr.

Next came the DVD. Since the SD-V592 provides both DVI & component outputs, there was a choice. I optimized PQ based on my equipment list, so the DVD drives the AE700 component input.

As expected, DVD PQ is phenomenal relative to 480i NTSC, but nothing touches HD!
post #81 of 98
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Originally posted by ][udson
Geez, I am so torn between the EA700 and the Sony HS51. With this being my first projector purchase I am thinking I'd be happy with the AE700 for all the positives I hear. And saving a grand in price would be nice too. But the HS51 keeps pulling at me. Can someone stop my tottering? I just can't read and condense the 100 pages of posts on each projector.
I'm in the same boat trying to decide bet AE700 and HS51. Neither is perfect but would like to make the right decision for my first projector. Price aside, if PQ from HD and DVD is priority, which one should I buy? I'll be viewing from 14' away and planning a 92" screen in a relatively light controlled environment. The PJ will be ceiling mounted on a 9' ceiling.

Thanks in advance!

DYP
post #82 of 98
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Originally posted by dyp
I'm in the same boat trying to decide bet AE700 and HS51. Neither is perfect but would like to make the right decision for my first projector. Price aside, if PQ from HD and DVD is priority, which one should I buy? I'll be viewing from 14' away and planning a 92" screen in a relatively light controlled environment. The PJ will be ceiling mounted on a 9' ceiling.

Thanks in advance!

DYP
I looked at it this way, I bought the AE700 keeping in mind that there will be significant advances in the next 2 years in the PJ world. The AE700 does an absolutely superb job and it will certainly see me through the next 2 years when I will likely upgrade to the latest and greatest at that time. So why spend an extra grand on a machine like the HS51 when you will not see any PQ difference in real terms. Just my 2 cents worth.
post #83 of 98
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Originally posted by Bigger
Hey Almostgoth,

I am pretty new to the board and just getting ready to buy a Pano 700 (I get my screen this week).

I noticed you are in Canada (as am I). If you purchased this side of the border I am hoping that you can let me who you bought it from ( I don't think you can talk about prices on this board?). I am just trying to research some good sources in Canada. There isn't much retailers that sell PJs on the west coast.
Hi Bigger,

Check out A & B Sound - I think there is one in Vancouver (or www.absound.ca). I bought a Panny AE-200 at the Winnipeg store ~9 mos. ago, got a good deal, and they had a decent warranty upgrade.

Update: Checked the web site, they do sell the 700. Price? It's listed there ;)

Update 2: Check the current flyer - they're throwing in a bonus 92" or 106" screen (don't know make/fabric)
post #84 of 98
hey question for the owners

talked my wife into one of these ae700's if i can find one (can i get a round of applause) ;)

and here's the deal

i have lighting questions. i understand that light control is totally important, but how bad does the image suffer at night with a few lights on? maybe just a lamp? couple recessed cans? what about the dinning room light and a lamp, etc?

i understand that during the day i'll have to have the living room and dining room shades drawn, but there will be some ambient light during the day, just a little.

the big thing here is that my wife does not want to feel like we always have to have the lights off (after work, eating dinner, watching news, etc) and i pitched this as a better all around alternative to buying an expensive 50" plasma.

this pj will get a lot of average tv viewing in addition to just watching movies and hd and stuff. so i'm looking for some feedback from owners. i'm sure it's been covered a dozen times in the massive ae700 thread, but i'm tired of searching. :)

i'm not 100%, but i'm pretty sure i'm going to marry it to a 119" da-lite matt white model c with csr. and it will be about a 15' throw from the ceiling, or off to one side of the couch possibly (depending on lens shift).

any feedback is greatly appreciate

glad you guys are having so much fun with yours. hope i can get mine soon.
post #85 of 98
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Originally posted by Kriilin
Hi Bigger,

Check out A & B Sound - I think there is one in Vancouver. I bought a Panny AE-200 at the Winnipeg store ~9 mos. ago, got a good deal, and they had a decent warranty upgrade.

Update: Checked the web site, they do sell the 700. Price? It's listed there ;)

Update 2: Check the current flyer - they're throwing in a bonus 92" or 106" screen (don't know make/fabric)
Hi Kriilin,

My friend is a manager at one of the A&B branches here so he has given me a really good price.

One of the main problems seems that Panasonic Canada prices their PJs quite a bit higher than the US considering the high Canadian dollar. I don't want to buy across the border for warranty purposes so I am going to pick up the 700 next week from AB Sound. I just got my screen from AVdeals but they sent me the wrong case color so I am not sure what I am going to do there.

Thanks for the reply!
post #86 of 98
billymac, what is it about seattle women ? they seem so bossy.i spent a year out there and never met such a group of pushy ladies in all my life.oh yea, this is a forum about projectors. i have the panasonic. its a great unit and performs well even with some ambiant light. but under the conditions your talking about i think you would either , need a real canon or just not go with a projector. its not supposed to be used as an every day tv. i use mine for movies, sports, and some special high definition programing.i keep the room very dark to get the most out of my picture and like my screen size 100-120 inches.with much light youl lose the pop that makes these toys so impressive.
post #87 of 98
ha ha, yeah i'm a lucky man though bud

met her at school, we've been together for over 12 years

okay, so i understand the whole light issue, and i understand in most cases it shouldn't be used for a tv, but... :)

you don't think i could give it a try? i mean how bad is it with a 60 watt lamp on? does it just totally kill it? i'm not suggesting having all the lights on by any means, just some incandescent, at least one, maybe two lamps. one of them would not even be in the room.

the light is not really all that bad, i'm just saying there will be some light coming in through the kitchen entry probably, and then maybe one lamp on.

i have an x1 right now in my home theater downstairs, so i get the whole light control issue, but i'd have this panny at full bright and from what i understand the x1 at widescreen res is only putting out somewhere between 500-600 lumens where the panny is well over 800-1000 if i understand correctly. i just want to make sure if i have a lamp on so you could read it's not going to take away from the picture that much. what if i go down to a 106" screen? would that help a tad?

the whole point of this is to avoid having spend $6 or $7K on a nice plasma or LCD AND the most important part is so we can rearrange our living room

if we could hang a screen above the fireplace we would be able to totally open up our room and it would be way more how do you say fung schway ;) we'd basically be reversing our display position. and moving a loveseat from the middle of the room to the outside wall.

i guess the way i look at it is, if it didn't work, i could replace my x1 downstairs with the panny and we'd have to figure out something else upstairs. right now i have a 61" toshiba rp. but it's just too damn big (physically) and the way our house was designed it makes us have our couch and loveseat in a not-so-functional/space saving setup

does that make a little more sense? am i still crazy? i think it would work, but maybe i'm just wanting to believe too badly. i did tell her we'd have to buy a little 17-20" lcd tv for our little girl to watch and put off to the side and she was cool with that idea.

oh, and seattle girls are cool man, you must have been on the east side. i live on the west siiiiEEEEdd. ;)

more feedback please
post #88 of 98
you don't think i could give it a try? i mean how bad is it with a 60 watt lamp on? does it just totally kill it? i'm not suggesting having all the lights on by any means, just some incandescent, at least one, maybe two lamps. one of them would not even be in the room.


billymac,

this PJ should work well despite some low local lighting. sounds like our lighting & living circumstances are somewhat similar... have the AE700 wall-mounted, throw dist 16-ft, 150-inch 1.1-gain screen viewed @ 12-ft. I took a risk anyway. it was worth it. you're tighter screen should also present higher/brighter light fluence.

if you can keep direct light splash off the screen i found this helps more than anything. at nite we keep under-cabinet indirect fluorescent lites on so we can still move around without stepping on the dogs - that's 3 pairs of 17W tubes spread around the kitchen ~25-ft away at the other end of our "greatroom". PQ is still fabulous.

You may find your wife passively adapting to lower light levels once she sees the upside of contrast & brightness performance. my wife would *never* watch a movie with me, now I can't peel her away from the HD Discovery channel. she's not from seattle, so your experience may likely differ.

PM if you need more info
post #89 of 98
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Originally posted by 16nine
...she's not from seattle, so your experience may likely differ.

rofl

don't let rday's comments about seattle women settle to heart. they're not all bad. okay, you're selling me. now i just have to find one. looks like i'm going to be waiting a couple weeks though...shoot now i have to find someone who wants to buy my toshiba 61" rp tv with ethan allen cherry cabinet. wonder what i could get for that.

what do you guys think about the velgro mounts? pretty reasonably priced and looks like it would do the trick:


http://www.avtoybox.com/epc4010.html

also, can one of you guys recommend a reasonablly priced switch that would let me automatically switch between my htpc (dvi) and my comcast motorola stb (component) ? something with a remote control possibly?

and lastly, what has the general concesus been with ae700 owners on using the hdmi port? are people doing so? or are most using the vga?

thanks again for the feedback. i'm stoked. wish i could get one this weekend.
post #90 of 98
using the projector for everyday viewing in such conditions as you describe is not for me. i save it for movies, sports and hd programs such as that discovery channel.(by the way voom is history but soon youl be seeing many more hdtv channels .)

although i have a very large great rooom in my new homne i prefer not to have a large tv in it.im considering getting a 30 inch lcd flat panel. microcenter is offering one for 999. thats an amazing price . its high def resolution and has picture in a picture, split screen picture etc. also is set up to be used as a computer monitor.they have a 27 inch for 799. amazing deals.
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