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post #361 of 438
I will be trying this next weekend, and thanks for sending me the updated link. I must have somehow missed that link. I hope you all had a good weekend.

Chris.
post #362 of 438
^ You're welcome. I know how difficult it can be reading through forum threads with a zillion posts! So let me take this moment to direct new users to the pertinent page and post:

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For anybody looking for step-by-step directions for upgrading your Motorola DVR hard drive to 1 TB of recording space, see this page, and specifically post #201
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post #363 of 438
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Originally Posted by TNO821 View Post

Not a bad idea. That would be a DCX box that you could then upgrade to a 1 TB hard drive (The DCX uses different, newer software that natively supports up to a 1 TB internal hard drive...you could pop in a blank 1 TB drive and it would format it automatically to 1 TB without even needing to follow my DCT/DCH upgrade directions).

BTW, the software used by the DCX is quite different from the DCT/DCH boxes and can't be used on the older boxes (in case you were wondering why Cox doesn't just copy over the same software that they use for the Whole-Home DVR). It seems that Cox may have decided not to spend the money/time/effort to update the software on the ageing DCH and DCT boxes. They may just eventually swap all of those out for the DCX boxes which already support up to a 1 TB hard drive.


Well Fooey! I am getting rid of comcast (due to the black-screen issues with my DCX3400M) and going back to D*. I was hoping to pull out my hard drive and give it to my neighbor to use in his DCT6412-3 box. It sounds like I will have to reformat it and use the image you provided first.
post #364 of 438
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Originally Posted by chris_h2 View Post

Well Fooey! I am getting rid of comcast (due to the black-screen issues with my DCX3400M) and going back to D*.

Yeah, gotta love those long-standing, seemingly unsolvable DCX bugs My favorite is the FireWire that just doesn't properly work. [/sarcasm]


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Originally Posted by chris_h2 View Post

I was hoping to pull out my hard drive and give it to my neighbor to use in his DCT6412-3 box. It sounds like I will have to reformat it and use the image you provided first.

Yes, I think that is probably true. However, being that you're going to need to open both cable boxes anyways, I'd suggest reformatting your DCX hard drive and tossing it in your neighbor's DCT to see if it takes. You could possibly get lucky and save yourself having to run through most of my upgrade directions.

What I think will happen is that your neghbor's DCT will "reject" the hard drive and reformat it to a 160 GB partition. But there's at least a chance that it'll work.

If you want to attempt this, I think there's a factory-reset code that will force your DCX to reformat the hard drive...I'm not sure what that code is, so if anybody else reading this knows it, please chime in. Failing that, you could just hook the hard drive to your computer and quick-format it with a FAT32 or NTFS (or whatever filesystem you want) partition, and then put it back into your DCX box for just a few seconds (just long enough for it to perform the quick-format to a clean 1 TB IBM GPFS partition). I'm still fairly sure that your neighbor's DCT will see some kind of identifier for your DCX box and decide to reject it and reformat to 160 GB, but who knows...you may get lucky.

Actually...the more I think about this, the more certain I am that it can't work. After all...if it could, then this whole 6-year "how can I upgrade my Motorola DVR beyond 160 GB" ordeal would have been a hell of lot shorter and simpler. If it was just a matter of dorking around with the internal hard drives of various models of Motorola DVR's, it would have been solved years ago and wouldn't have required the eSATA external drive hoop-jumping, etc.

So basically, yes, you will need to follow my upgrade instructions in order to arrive at a 1 TB hard drive that will agree to work in your neighbor's DCT box.

But, again, if your neighbor is really close (like right next door or something), I figure you're not out much time giving it a shot before running through my upgrade directions...maybe you'll get lucky and it'll work.
post #365 of 438
The Samsung F3 1GB SataII from NewEgg formatted flawlessly using the instructions for Parted Magic. When I got the drive it said it was from Seagate. Apparently they bought the Samsung Drive business and it also said Barracuda. The model is ST1000DM005 (It is a SATA II drive/7200). My DCT3416 recognized the drive and showed the drive as 1TB in the diagnostics menu. It seems to be working fine but I'll see after some HD recordings. It is as quiet as my old WD.
post #366 of 438
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Originally Posted by davekaye View Post

The Samsung F3 1GB SataII from NewEgg formatted flawlessly using the instructions for Parted Magic.

Very nice!! Thanks for sharing!

If you want to be certain that your drive really has 1 TB of recording space, check the diagnostic screen and look for remaining recording capacity. Pictured below is my 1 TB drive filled to 75% of capacity:



If you take the "Record Capacity Remaining" number (which is listed in bytes) and divide it by 1024 to the power of 3 (1024 ^ 3 = 1073741824), you'll get the number of gigabytes of remaining recording space.

In the picture above this works out to 256003538944 / 1073741824 = 238.421875 GB of remaining recording space. So I've got just over 238 GB of space remaining.

In the picture below, you can see the number of bytes of DVR content that I've recorded:



So that's 725496459264 bytes of recorded material being stored on my drive.

725496459264 / 1073741824 = 675.6712303161621

So I've got about 676 GB of recordings on my 1 TB hard drive and about 238 GB of remaining space.

That might seem a teeny bit low, as the numbers only add up to 914 GB total, but you need to recall the deceptive way that these hard drives are rated. They aren't really 1000 GB, they are 1000 GiB. My drive is actually 932 GB. (there is a thread on overclock.net that discusses the gigabytes vs. gibibytes controversy here.)

So my 932 GB hard drive can actually store 914 GB of recordings, with the rest being dedicated to the DVR index and system and guide data and overhead, etc.

So anyways, what you want to do is check both the "Record Capacity Remaining" number and the "DVR Content" number in order to figure out if you are getting past the 160 GB barrier. Or you could just crank up a solid block of 16 hours of HD recordings (just have both tuners record ANYTHING, even stuff you'll never watch) until you're certain that you've gone waaayy past what the old 160 GB drive could hold.

The following post describes how to get into the diagnostic menu:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...&postcount=135

-TNO821
post #367 of 438
Thanks for the clear explanation. Did the math and came up with the same number, 914GB for total capacity space available for recordings. So the Samsung/Seagate Spinpoint drive from NewEgg is definitely a go (paid $89). Now how that might relate to the original Samsung Spinpoint, I don't know. The drive I am using is made in China. The original Spinpoints were made in Korea.
post #368 of 438
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Originally Posted by davekaye View Post

Thanks for the clear explanation. Did the math and came up with the same number, 914GB for total capacity space available for recordings. So the Samsung/Seagate Spinpoint drive from NewEgg is definitely a go (paid $89). Now how that might relate to the original Samsung Spinpoint, I don't know. The drive I am using is made in China. The original Spinpoints were made in Korea.

Very nice! It's good to know that drives other than WD are working out.
post #369 of 438
So I'm probably going to be dropping Comcast, and I need to put the old drive back in and put a security tab in. Will this one work: http://hdtvsales.ca/product.php?productid=16551 - As it is way cheaper than the link posted on this site.
post #370 of 438
^ Yes, that certainly looks like the security tab!

Thanks for the lnk! I'll update my guide with the cheaper site when I get a chance.
post #371 of 438
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Originally Posted by TNO821 View Post

Nobody in the USA will even be able to, because none of the cable providers here even enable the Motorola e-sata connection.

You've repeated this several times throughout the thread, but it's not accurate. By simply taking the words used in your post "Motorola e-sata connection" and doing a Google search, you can find three (on the first two pages alone) cable companies in the US that offer the external connection.

http://massilloncabletv.com/pdf/esata.pdf
http://www22.verizon.com/Support/Residential/tv/fiostv/other+hardware/esata/129841.htm
http://www.midcocomm.com/resourcecenter/index.cfm/565/Video/eSATA---External-Hard-Drive

I'm sure there are more.
post #372 of 438
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Originally Posted by Jimmy Russells View Post

You've repeated this several times throughout the thread, but it's not accurate. By simply taking the words used in your post "Motorola e-sata connection" and doing a Google search, you can find three (on the first two pages alone) cable companies in the US that offer the external connection.
http://massilloncabletv.com/pdf/esata.pdf
http://www22.verizon.com/Support/Residential/tv/fiostv/other+hardware/esata/129841.htm
http://www.midcocomm.com/resourcecenter/index.cfm/565/Video/eSATA---External-Hard-Drive
I'm sure there are more.

Cool. I'm hoping the unspoken implication is that you are both among the subscribers to one of these companies and are willing to hook up a 500 GB or 750 GB hard drive and create an image of it! It would be nice to be able to create other image sizes for people that have a spare 500 GB or 750 GB hard drive laying around.
post #373 of 438
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Originally Posted by TNO821 View Post

I'm hoping the unspoken implication is that you are both among the subscribers to one of these companies and are willing to hook up a 500 GB or 750 GB hard drive and create an image of it!

Sorry, neither is true.

Also, I can't imagine many subscribers (who are able to add space/upgrade their DVR drive w/ permission from their cable providers) would have much use for this thread. Which probably explains the lack of volunteers and/or examples of US customers.

The only reason the initial image was made was due to DCTneo finding someone (outside of AVS) with the allowed eSATA connection. So I'm guessing that's the only way images of other sizes will be made as well.
post #374 of 438
Well, anyone who really wants to go through this process will just have to go buy a 1TB hard drive, it's pointless to bend ourselves around in pretzels to acquire other image sizes.

If it's important enough to them, they'll go buy a 1TB hard drive. :-)
post #375 of 438
I agree completely with CHS4000's statement. I have access to a lot of hard drives (I work in an IT department), although most of the hard drives available to me are either older / smaller or there may be some question as to their condition / reliability. I bought new hard drives for both my DCT units (albeit on sale and prior to the hard drive "shortage"), and checked the drives extensively before using them. Hard drive prices have come down to reasonable levels again, and I would rather upgrade my DCT units to a new 1GB image rather than relying on whatever drives may be available for scrounging. If I had to do the upgrade again I would not change anything. Had I upgraded using a drive less than 1GB I would have some remorse in not following through to the full 1GB alternative. For all the effort involved in the upgrade, why settle for only half the end result? I would say keep it simple, upgrade to 1GB or don't bother.
post #376 of 438
found a discount code for anyone interested. test drove it on a few purchases and seems to still be active.
last time using it was like 3 weeks ago.
may come in handy when you need the 4.5mm inverted torx screwdriver or 4.5mm inverted torx socket "newelectronx-avsforum"
remove the quotes when you use it

another code that i found on twitter was this one "plastic-anti-tamper-tab-clip-newelectronx"
this one works on those elusive Anti-Tamper Tabs - haven't tried it yet, but the Anti-Tamper Tab are $2.99 and coupon discounts the price at about $2.00 bucks or so.
so the Anti-Tamper Tab are like $0.99. haven't tried it yet, but I will when i need it.
post #377 of 438
I found this thread after discovering that the e-Sata external hard drive I just bought won't work to increase the storage of a Motorola DCH 3416 (I've confirmed it won't work on a DCX 3400-M either). It's kind of a shame since Motorola intended the devices' storage space to be upgraded this way when they designed them (instructions are at the Motorola website).

Anyway, this thread is so large that I haven't read from the beginning yet but I just wanted to ask upfront, has anyone tried just putting in a brand new hard drive (straight out of the box) into the DVR and see if the DVR automatically formats the drive? I see a lot of steps here in just preparing the drive but I saw a clip on YouTube where a guy just puts a brand new drive into his Motorola DVR and it was formatted automatically by the DVR, without him having to do any of the steps mentioned here in preparing the drive. The clip even shows him unpackaging the new hard drive from its box. The clip is located here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-WvBTiqkJM or just go to YouTube and do a search for "U-Verse DVR Motorola VIP 1225 Hard Drive Upgrade Hack".

This is probably too easy of a solution for such a long thread but I thought I just had to ask anyway. Anyone?
post #378 of 438
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Originally Posted by JackCarverRedux View Post

I found this thread after discovering that the e-Sata external hard drive I just bought won't work to increase the storage of a Motorola DCH 3416 (I've confirmed it won't work on a DCX 3400-M either). It's kind of a shame since Motorola intended the devices' storage space to be upgraded this way when they designed them (instructions are at the Motorola website).
Anyway, this thread is so large that I haven't read from the beginning yet but I just wanted to ask upfront, has anyone tried just putting in a brand new hard drive (straight out of the box) into the DVR and see if the DVR automatically formats the drive? I see a lot of steps here in just preparing the drive but I saw a clip on YouTube where a guy just puts a brand new drive into his Motorola DVR and it was formatted automatically by the DVR, without him having to do any of the steps mentioned here in preparing the drive. The clip even shows him unpackaging the new hard drive from its box. The clip is located here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-WvBTiqkJM or just go to YouTube and do a search for "U-Verse DVR Motorola VIP 1225 Hard Drive Upgrade Hack".
This is probably too easy of a solution for such a long thread but I thought I just had to ask anyway. Anyone?

Here's the summary. Larger drives get formatted when installed into the DVR but not to their full capacity (160GB limit?). To get a larger capacity you would need to be using a specific model of drive (various models of Western Digital SATA drives seem to work). The hook is that the drive can be externally formatted (via eSATA port) to its larger capacity up to a 1TB limit, IF your cable provider has enabled that feature (Shaw in Canada, there may be others). The externally formatted drive may then be installed internally in the DVR to minimize the bulk and mess of external cables. This thread references a drive image which is very small to download but fills a 1TB drive with the appropriate formatting when done correctly using computer hardware.
post #379 of 438
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Originally Posted by DCTneo View Post

The hook is that the drive can be externally formatted (via eSATA port) to its larger capacity up to a 1TB limit, IF your cable provider has enabled that feature (Shaw in Canada, there may be others). The externally formatted drive may then be installed internally in the DVR

My cable company, Time Warner, has disabled the e-Sata port on the back of the DVR so I can't put an additional external hard drive there for extra storage. So I most likely cannot format a hard drive using that e-Sata port either. That is the e-Sata port you're talking about, right? But I can still format the hard drive by following the directions in this thread by formatting it in my pc, right?

Anyway, if I give it a try, is that drive image you're talking about basically a copy of the original drive that came with the DVR? The file seems pretty small to be a disc image, it's only 682 kb. Does that sound right?

My computer has room for 3 hard drives. Instead of using the disc image file and Parted Magic, would it work if I put into my computer, the original DVR hard drive and a blank 1 TB Western Digital as the slave drives and then I use my main system drive to copy one onto the other (ie/ drag and drop all the files and folders from the DVR drive into the blank drive)? Is that essentially what you're doing? Copying the original DVR hard drive (or an image of it) into a larger blank hard drive?
Edited by JackCarverRedux - 9/7/12 at 5:15pm
post #380 of 438
By the way, in this process is there a "fail safe" method in case something goes wrong? For example, if your newly formatted hard drive doesn't work in the DVR, can you always go back and put the original DVR drive back into the DVR to get it back to its original state?
post #381 of 438
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Originally Posted by JackCarverRedux View Post

My cable company, Time Warner, has disabled the e-Sata port on the back of the DVR so I can't put an additional external hard drive there for extra storage. So I most likely cannot format a hard drive using that e-Sata port either. That is the e-Sata port you're talking about, right? But I can still format the hard drive by following the directions in this thread by formatting it in my pc, right?
Correct. Just follow the directions in post #201 and you'll have 1 TB of recording space.
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Originally Posted by JackCarverRedux View Post

Anyway, if I give it a try, is that drive image you're talking about basically a copy of the original drive that came with the DVR? The file seems pretty small to be a disc image, it's only 682 kb. Does that sound right?
Yes, the 682 KB image file is a copy of a 1 TB hard drive that has been formatted for the DVR (DCTneo formatted it using the eSATA connector on his brothers DVR)
The reason for the super small image file size is compression. It is an image of a 99.999% empty 1 TB hard drive. (technically it was filled with zeros...so most of the 682 KB contains info about setting up the special IBM GPFS partitions used by the DVR and the rest of the 99.999% of the drive is filled with zeros.)
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Originally Posted by JackCarverRedux View Post

My computer has room for 3 hard drives. Instead of using the disc image file and Parted Magic, would it work if I put into my computer, the original DVR hard drive and a blank 1 TB Western Digital as the slave drives and then I use my main system drive to copy one onto the other (ie/ drag and drop all the files and folders from the DVR drive into the blank drive)? Is that essentially what you're doing? Copying the original DVR hard drive (or an image of it) into a larger blank hard drive?
No that would not work. Your existing DVR hard drive is sized for something smaller than 1 TB. If you duplicate your existing DVR hard drive to your blank 1 TB WD hard drive, you will end up with the same amount of DVR recording space that you had before. (The file system is not a Linux or Windows file system...it is a almost-never-seen file system called IBM GPFS...there are no utilities that work with it, so duplicating the existing drive will not result in magically-resized partitions.)

Also: consider that if it were really as easy as just tossing the drive into a PC and duplicating it, this thread would not have started in January of 2005 and gone unsolved for six years.

You should check out post #201 in this thread. It will go a long way towards answering your questions as to why things are the way they are.
Edited by TNO821 - 9/8/12 at 11:55pm
post #382 of 438
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Originally Posted by JackCarverRedux View Post

By the way, in this process is there a "fail safe" method in case something goes wrong? For example, if your newly formatted hard drive doesn't work in the DVR, can you always go back and put the original DVR drive back into the DVR to get it back to its original state?
Yes, you can simply put the original hard drive back in the DVR to get back to its original state.
post #383 of 438
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Originally Posted by JackCarverRedux View Post

I just wanted to ask upfront, has anyone tried just putting in a brand new hard drive (straight out of the box) into the DVR and see if the DVR automatically formats the drive? I see a lot of steps here in just preparing the drive but I saw a clip on YouTube where a guy just puts a brand new drive into his Motorola DVR and it was formatted automatically by the DVR, without him having to do any of the steps mentioned here in preparing the drive. The clip even shows him unpackaging the new hard drive from its box. The clip is located here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-WvBTiqkJM or just go to YouTube and do a search for "U-Verse DVR Motorola VIP 1225 Hard Drive Upgrade Hack".
This is probably too easy of a solution for such a long thread but I thought I just had to ask anyway. Anyone?
I haven't watched the clip, but I assume it's a newer DVR based on the DCX model line. Those can format up to a 1 TB hard drive. But the DCT and DCH DVR's can not do this. With the DCT and DCH DVR's, placing a new hard drive in them results in the DVR formatting the drive to 160 GB. The rest of the hard drive is wasted space that will never be available for recording.

So if all of your DVR's are the DCX model line, you can probably just toss the hard drive in it and allow the DCX to format it for you. Otherwise you will need to follow the directions in this thread. **it's also possible that the DCX will only agree to format particular hard drive models, so there may still be a need to follow the directions in this thread even if you are using DCX models. And some users are trying to use spare 1.5 TB or 2.0 TB hard drives that they already own (instead of buying a 1.0 TB hard drive) and it has been reported that the DCX DVR's will refuse to format drives larger than 1.0 TB, so these users will also need to follow the directions in this thread.
post #384 of 438
Just a note to you guys: Earlier in this thread you referred people to a website to purchase the required supplies (4.5 mm security bit & anti-tamper tab). That same site is now selling pre-formatted DVR hard drives that will work in the DVR (so now there's no need to download the image file, install Parted Magic, worry if the image file will fit the actual disc space, or worry if the type of hard drive will be compatible, etc.) Supposedly it will work by just plugging the drive into the DVR (assuming they've tested their products). They have a selection of drive sizes to choose from and they sell it as a package with the drive + security bit. Did they come up with this idea first or did you guys? If they got all their ideas, info and research from the participants of this thread, then I would think they'd owe you big time. I would never have known about their site if it weren't for this thread. Oh well, capitalism at its best, eh?
Edited by JackCarverRedux - 9/10/12 at 6:16am
post #385 of 438
Here is the site mentioned above:
http://hdtvsales.ca/home.php?cat=338
They sell a 1 TB for $135 plus shipping (comes with the bit and 2 security tabs).
They also have a 500 MB for $85, and a 320 for $50.

Models supported:
Motorola DCT3412
Motorola DCT3416
Motorola DCT6416 (Phase III)
Motorola DCT6412 (Phase III)
Motorola QIP6416
Motorola DCH6416
Motorola DCH3416
Motorola DCX3400

Of course, you can still get a 1 TB WD10EARS for $84 from Amazon (incl shipping) and do it yourself.
post #386 of 438
^ That website has offered the 1 TB hard drive upgrade for a long long time, so they certainly didn't steal that idea from us. But they didn't have the smaller sizes before...so I'm not sure what to make of that. Maybe they didn't really know how to do it (perhaps somehow they came across a 1 TB hard drive that worked in those DVR's and they duplicated it but didn't really understand the full procedure required to obtain different sizes)

It sure seems odd, as there would have been a much bigger market for the smaller hard drive sizes years past. The fact that they are only now available is telling.

The basic premise for how it might be accomplished was formulated by looking at forum postings from some other sites plus noticing that those 1 TB hard drives were being sold by that website and just kicking around ideas in this thread. I think the timing for the appearance of those other hard drive sizes makes it somewhat obvious that they read the info in this thread and went about creating the other hard drive image sizes (or maybe they aren't even using an image file...maybe they just keep duplicating the same drive over and over and over again.) Regardless, it doesn't bother me a bit. It's not about recognition or profit, it's about the challenge of solving the problem and documenting it. Anybody who merely wants increased recording space should just buy one of the preformatted drives (the 1 TB size has been available for years, albeit the cost was substantially higher until shortly after our method was documented.) The only two reasons to run through the directions in this thread is to A) tinker with it and gain a sense of geek accomplishment or B) save a little cash (or a fair amount of cash if you already have a spare 1 TB hard drive sitting around.)
post #387 of 438
There’s no doubt in my mind that someone from that website has subscribed to this thread and has been following it for a fairly long time, reading everything you guys have been discussing (even what I’m writing right now), and then determining how he can take advantage (by the way, that’s one of the reasons why some forum moderators remove links from posts). Anyway, if the website owner is reading this, then an idea to reciprocate the one-way link he's been benefitting from is to post some sort of a discount coupon code in this thread for people who arrive at his site as a result of reading this thread (or he could at least post a link back to this thread from his site). Not only would that be the appropriate SEO etiquette, it would be showing a small token of appreciation and courtesy for all the people in this thread who have contributed all these years through trial-and-error to improve this unique process. The thread is also a continual source of what the consumer demand might be now or in the future (ie/ smaller drives, etc.) which he's obviously already noticed (either by this thread or just a good guess). Most people in the thread have probably already bought their hard drives and won’t need to purchase anything anyway, but it’d still be a good faith gesture to even offer.
Edited by JackCarverRedux - 9/11/12 at 6:53pm
post #388 of 438
Regardless of the other guy's site, what this thread has is a several year track record of people's successful (and successful) attempts which has molded into quite a unique guide. I'm surprised you guys haven't created your own site. Anyway, I just had a few questions. Back a few posts ago you posted a screenshot of your DVR screen and it says your cable company is Xfinity (on the top-left of the screen). If I transfer your disc image file to my hard drive, will it also say Xfinity or will it change to my own cable company? (our software looks identical except for the company name)

Also, I noticed throughout the years that sometimes my cable company makes updates to the software automatically - so they might add a few features here and there that weren't there previously. For example, the option to view a log of all your recorded history (including deleted programs) for the past 14 days was not there when I first got the DVR many years ago (they added that feature in one of their software updates). Will following this thread's hard drive upgrade have any effect on those periodic updates by the cable company? (especially since my cable company is different than yours and it's your disc image from your cable company that I'd be copying)
post #389 of 438
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For anybody looking for step-by-step directions for upgrading your Motorola DVR hard drive to 1 TB of recording space, see this page, and specifically post #201

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Originally Posted by JackCarverRedux View Post

Back a few posts ago you posted a screenshot of your DVR screen and it says your cable company is Xfinity (on the top-left of the screen). If I transfer your disc image file to my hard drive, will it also say Xfinity or will it change to my own cable company? (our software looks identical except for the company name)
No, what you're seeing there is a result of the firmware (stored in flash memory, not on the hard drive.) Your firmware version/software version will not be impacted by using the 1 TB hard drive and the image file that writes to it.
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Originally Posted by JackCarverRedux View Post

Also, I noticed throughout the years that sometimes my cable company makes updates to the software automatically - so they might add a few features here and there that weren't there previously. For example, the option to view a log of all your recorded history (including deleted programs) for the past 14 days was not there when I first got the DVR many years ago (they added that feature in one of their software updates). Will following this thread's hard drive upgrade have any effect on those periodic updates by the cable company? (especially since my cable company is different than yours and it's your disc image from your cable company that I'd be copying)
No, for the same reason cited above. All of that software/firmware stuff is stored in flash memory and is completely separate from the hard drive.

Just a fun fact: In my screwing around with these things I discovered that the sort-of-newish feature that lets you schedule recordings from a search is also stored in the flash memory. I discovered this after replacing my cable box's hard drive with a new one, where I was shocked to find that it still knew to search for and record any show with the name "Xtacles" in the title (also anything with "Bill Maher" in the description and a few more.) Note: all series recordings were lost, only the search-record items remained. Initially I was certain that those searches must be stored on the cable company's servers (which is a tad alarming, for privacy reasons), but I later exchanged that cable box for another and the searches were gone. Subsequent tests proved that they are stored in the flash memory.

Something else that I've been meaning to mention: I've made comments about how you can place a 1 TB hard drive in a DCX cable box and it will format it. While this is true, you will not be capable of then placing that 1 TB hard drive in any other cable box. It will be locked to the one that formatted it. This may seem kind of obvious because, after all, if it were that easy someone would have done that years ago and then created an image file of it. But there you go. The reason that our solution took so long to tumble to/document is that it really hinged on using the eSATA port to facilitate the formatting of the hard drive (and very very few people are on cable systems that enable the use of the eSATA port.) There's something about the way in which the cable box goes about formatting via eSATA that makes it a generalized DVR hard drive capable of being placed in any Motorola DVR. On a related note, I have now had a chance to watch that YouTube video that you linked to a few posts back and I am equally certain that the 2 TB hard drive that gets formatted in that Motorola DVR would refuse to work in any DVR other than the specific unit it was formatted in (place it anything else, even the same model of DVR, and it'll reformat the drive, possibly to a much smaller partition size.) Also, I was intrigued that the person mentioned that they can see (unuseable) files on the drive...that makes me wonder if Motorola is using a totally different file system on those DVR's, because there's no chance in hell that they were seeing jack sh1t on an IBM GPFS partition(s) (and not just regular GPFS, but one where the GUID Partition Table signature has been changed to a custom identifier!)
Edited by TNO821 - 9/13/12 at 6:14pm
post #390 of 438
Great thread and it took a while to read the majority of it. I have gone through the preparation stage ..ordering the bit & security tab, and downloading the image file and Parted Magic. Getting ready to order the drive, but I just wanted to make sure that my DCH3416 will be capable of using the 1TB drive, since the question as to whether the firmware is current and capable. If there a way to determine if my firmware is capable before I plunk down $90? THANKS AGAIN!
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