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post #1831 of 17304
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Originally posted by Joel
Salamander triple. And .. it's the only stand that my spouse even halfway liked.

Yeah, but you've got a much finer spouse now.
post #1832 of 17304
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Originally posted by karson
Thanks Owen, I saw your original post and the ensuing discussion in the original thread but at this price point I'm still hoping for some hands-on verification!

One question though: I thought the 006 was natively a 60Hz 1080p display, not a 30Hz display? If it's 60Hz, I can get decent 60fps gaming performance using a 60Hz 1080i output from the HTPC and using the 006's internal de-interlacer to fill in the missing lines, but if it's a 30Hz display I may be reduced to playing chess online or something!


Don't get confused between game frame rates and display frame rates, as they are not directly related.
Play stations and Xbox's only use 30fps, as that is all a standard TV will display, and they do not have a problem with regard to smooth movement as fare as I am aware (I am not a gamer).

Rcohen made a good point:

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You can't have 1080 res and 60fps simultaneously. A deinterlacer has to sacrifice resolution or FPS, or just display interlaced. Ideally, it can automatically switch between resolution and frame-rate, depending on the contents of the signal. When outputting a 30fps signal at 1080i, it can be lossless.

My congratulations go to rcohen, as he is the first person I have come across that obviously has a good understanding of interlacing systems.
So many people are under the misapprehension that a 1080p input is required for a 1080p display to achieve full performance when in fact, 1080p at up to 30fps can be transferred over a 1080i interface without any degradation.

This question was put to staff in the Pro division at Sony Australia and they confirmed that a 1080p interface is not required to display full 1080p video.

As for the 006, well we don't know what refresh rate is used to drive the screen, it could well be 60Hz. However, since the display is intended as a video display only, and does not suffer from flicker, there is no need to support a refresh rate greater then 30Hz for 1080 input.
However, it is very possible that 720p 60fps input will be scaled to 1080p and displayed at 60fps.
I don't know if anyone has tried using a 1280x720p 60Hz input on the 006 to see what happens.
It could be just what you gaming people are looking for.

Regards,

Owen
post #1833 of 17304
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Originally posted by Owen
As for the 006, well we don't know what refresh rate is used to drive the screen, it could well be 60Hz. However, since the display is intended as a video display only, and does not suffer from flicker, there is no need to support a refresh rate greater then 30Hz for 1080 input.
However, it is very possible that 720p 60fps input will be scaled to 1080p and displayed at 60fps.
I don't know if anyone has tried using a 1280x720p 60Hz input on the 006 to see what happens.
It could be just what you gaming people are looking for.

Owen, you bring up a good point... I hope this isn't the case, but if the qualia only supports 1080i/30hz input (vs. 1080i 60hz input) then it's impossible to feed it at its max display resolution.

As an example: This is still up for debate I guess, but let's assume for the sake of argument that blu-ray/hd-dvd's will eventually ship with 1080p content at either 24 or 30fps. Lemme take the 24fps example for now...

So you pop your 1080p/24fps disc in the player that's hooked up to the qualia at 1080i (max RESOLUTION input the qualia supports, it sounds like) and hit play. In a perfect world, the player would output 1080i at 48hz. This would allow the Qualia 006 to weave the frames back together into a 24fps output and it would be a totally lossless process with an identical resolution to true 1080p/24.

But... this assumes two things:

#1: The player knows to output 1080i at 48hz instead of 24hz (or in the case of a 30fps source, it would need to output at 60hz instead of 30hz.) Do existing DVD players do this kind of thing now at lower (480/720) resolutions?

#2: The second thing assumed here is that the qualia can accept a 48/60hz input at 1080i. I'm pretty sure this is true, but the way to verify it would be for someone to feed the qualia from their HTPC at 1920x1080ix60hz (NOT 30hz.)

Any thoughts guys?

- paul
post #1834 of 17304
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Originally posted by kaduku
I agree, this movie on the 006 is just stunning. I watched it on a Netflix loaner, and was just so mesmerized that I decided to buy the dvd. The stores should use this movie for their demo shows. Makes Finding Nemo look like crap (PQ, not story). It will definitely be one of my show off movies.

Make sure you see the Japanese animation "Spirited Away". Wonderful plot for adults as well as kids and the artwork rendition by the Qualia is beautiful. It is my favorite.

Dilbert1
post #1835 of 17304
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Originally posted by wintr

Any thoughts guys?

- paul

Sony Blu-ray outputs 1080i...unequivocally.
post #1836 of 17304
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Originally posted by Penton-Man
Yeah, unfortunately, that's what my wife also says about our yard.

How about posting his url again for anybody that's interested and any dates that he has already set up for different parts of the country.

P.S. -Perhaps we could get some sort of group rate as there seems to be alot of owners in Cali.


Right now, I'm probably going to have one component and one HDMI input, but may get both HDMI inputs.

www.avical.com

He has not as yet done any 006s. He does tours around the country when he has enough interest in a certain area. He will not leave until he is satisfied he has gotten you the best picture possible. I'd describe him as a video perfectionist. If any owners are interested, PM me and I'll get a list going. I agree it seems as if there are a number of owners in California. If we can get enough, I might be able to get some sort of discount. Of course, I can't be sure, but I'll be glad to try.
post #1837 of 17304
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Originally posted by casey
It is a great stand. Very well made.

http://www.diamondcase.com/TT/TT_HTML_Files/TT400.HTML

Casey,
Regarding the stand, does the middle compartment open up or what?
post #1838 of 17304
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Originally posted by Penton-Man
Sony Blu-ray outputs 1080i...unequivocally.

I definitely don't doubt that! But resolution isn't the whole issue... isn't frequency also a factor? What I'm curious about is whether a blu-ray player would output (and whether the Qualia can input) 1080i at 48/60hz or whether it's limited to 24/30hz.

- paul
post #1839 of 17304
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Originally posted by Penton-Man

….because Palau is one of the PREMIER destinations for serious scuba divers (I’m saying Top 5 List ! ) who would give their left …ah…would give anything to get a free trip to Palau just to put a mask and fins on after they were booted off the show – so I’d better not hear any whining from these contestants on how “hard it is” for twenty some days in paradise.

Yes, too bad it's not HD. About Palau, I'd say top three. I lived near Palau and was a frequent visitor. I am an Open Water Diver and if you are one too or just a snorkeler, you must dive Palau at least once during your lifetime or at least see the place. It is like nothing else in this world, especially the rock islands (query it on the web). Beautiful and stunning, just like the Qualia.
post #1840 of 17304
Thread Starter 
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Originally posted by kaduku
Yes, too bad it's not HD. About Palau, I'd say top three. I lived near Palau and was a frequent visitor. I am an Open Water Diver and if you are one too or just a snorkeler, you must dive Palau at least once during your lifetime or at least see the place. It is like nothing else in this world, especially the rock islands (query it on the web). Beautiful and stunning, just like the Qualia.

Hmmm, this sounds like H20Sports territory.

Be skiing ya,

jb007
post #1841 of 17304
I'm not really sure what your point is wintr.
Blu-Ray etc will output 1080p 30 frame per second video over the industry standard 1080i 60 fields per second interface (60Hz) that all HD TV's support.
The 006 will weave deinterlace this to 1080p 30fps for display.
The screen never needs to run at more then 30 fps (30Hz) for 1080 video source.
Only 720p60 requires the screen to run at 60Hz
Does anyone know if the 006 supports 720p 60 ?

At this stage it does not look like the 006 supports 1080p 24. I am not sure if anyone has tried 1080i 48. What's worse for us prospective 006 owners down under, is that according to Sony Australia, the 006 does NOT support 1080i 50Hz for PAL countries such as Australia, which is a major let down for us.

Any thoughts I had of importing a 006 from the US are on hold pending confirmation of 50Hz support.
Most displays that can sync to 50Hz, can also sync to 48Hz and therefor allow 24p operation for film.
Maybe one of you kind Qualia owners that also have a HTPC can test 1080i 50Hz operation to settle this issue once and for all.
If you need Power Strip timings for 1080i 50Hz please PM me.

Regards to all,

Owen
post #1842 of 17304
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Originally posted by karson
One question though: I thought the 006 was natively a 60Hz 1080p display, not a 30Hz display? If it's 60Hz, I can get decent 60fps gaming performance using a 60Hz 1080i output from the HTPC and using the 006's internal de-interlacer to fill in the missing lines, but if it's a 30Hz display I may be reduced to playing chess online or something!

Um, here's the deal. 30Hz is plenty fast for any fast-action game. Otherwise you'd never have played any game on any television set, ever. The human eye and brain start to perceive a rapid slide-show as actual motion at about 24Hz, which is why movies (and PAL television at 25Hz) use that rate. NTSC uses 30Hz because it's a little faster than 24 and syncs up nicely with our 60Hz power grid.

When you see game benchmarks that claim "164 frames per second", it's just a convenient way of measuring how fast your computer (CPU and video card, mainly) is over the life of the benchmark. Most games will never display more than 30-40 frames per second because that's how fast the game engine operates.

Every game engine is a little different, but id Software's family of Doom and Quake game engines makes a good teaching example. They all have a mode called "timedemo" that very few people actually know what it does. The original Doom engine is the simplist example: during normal gameplay the engine divides all timing and events into a 35Hz system. (Newer engines do use a faster base clock, I just happen to recall that Doom used 35Hz.) If your computer is capable of more than 35Hz, you get 35Hz, period. If your computer is not capable of 35Hz, you get what it is capable of. If your computer is capable of more than twice that, you'll effectively get multiple frames that are exactly the same--but the picture can only change 35 times per second because nothing in the game moves more often than that. (All of this is further limited by the refresh rate of your monitor, but that's another topic.)

The timedemo mode turns this notion on it's head. Instead of connecting the game engine to a real-time clock so that time in the game passes, well, in real-time, the game engine is set to run as fast as the display will allow with the assumption that each formerly-35Hz tick of the clock gets rendered exactly once, regardless of whether your computer can do it faster or slower than that. Then you can calculate the speed of your system based on the number of frames it renders (variable in normal gameplay, fixed in timedemo) versus the time that elapses from start to finish (fixed in normal gameplay, variable in timedemo).

Number of frames versus elapsed time? Frames per second. But no one plays the game in this mode. It's just a benchmark. You might as well try saying that a Porsche going 55mph is "faster" than a Yugo going 55mph. Not really true. What is true is that the Porsche's extra horsepower makes it more likely to still be able to sustain 55mph up a steep hill.

So can we please stop with the complaints that "30Hz isn't fast enough for games" since I doubt that anyone saying it has ever actually played a game at 120Hz--even when they think they have.

--Dwayne

Over-simplified short version for Penton-Man, who admits to skipping over long posts no matter how brilliant and/or insightful they are:
All games run at 30Hz.
post #1843 of 17304
On the issue of a smaller, Sony branded SXRD display. Well feed back from Sony Australia indicates that we will be getting a Sony branded SXRD RPTV latter this year (Q4?), not the Qualia 006.
It is not known if it will be a 70 model or 60, but most likely a 60.
Obviously this model will need to accept 1080i 50Hz to meet our HD standard and most probably will accept 1080i 48Hz as it is very close to 50Hz.
All HD TV's sold here are multi standard and will also accept 1080i 60Hz as well.

It is pure speculation that the availability of a 60 XBR type model in world markets such as Australia, will mean that a similar model will be available in the US, as the models available in the US are often very different the those available to rest of the world, for some strange reason best known to the manufacturers.

Regards to all,

Owen
post #1844 of 17304
Now that's tellin em Zechman.

Owen
post #1845 of 17304
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Originally posted by skoolpsyk
ok, fess up. Who has watched porn on their 006?

Okay, I have to admit that I did see some form of humans exchanging fluids on the 006, and I must say that it was breathtaking
post #1846 of 17304
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Originally posted by jb007
Hmmm, this sounds like H20Sports territory.

Be skiing ya,

jb007

Thanks for thinking of me jb007!

But, in my case, "h2osports" refers to water skiing, wake boarding, wake surfing and Sky Skiing. Both in terms of my avocation as well as my vocation. Living in Maine, the (fresh) water's a bit "hard" right now; thus business is a bit on the slow side! But with "Boat Show Season" just around the corner, things will be picking up soon.

Be skiing ya,

DSG

BTW, Palau does sound like a beautiful place to visit and/or dive.

Sorry for going OT
post #1847 of 17304
Dwayne,

That would be great! Hmmm, how about I'll do the 006 for the price of a direct view instead of a projection? That knocks off $80 from my already low, low price. And if you act now, you can take advantage of no interest and no payments till after you get the set!
Hehehe... Anyway, just let me know when you get it and we'll set up a time!

Chad
post #1848 of 17304
Kaduku

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quote: ok, fess up. Who has watched porn on their 006?

Okay, I have to admit that I did see some form of humans exchanging fluids on the 006, and I must say that it was breathtaking



Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaa now we understand what those covers for your Qualias are really for. It's the Qualia Condom.

Bad Kaduku Bad.
post #1849 of 17304
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Originally posted by MotorMouth777
Kaduku





Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaa now we understand what those covers for your Qualias are really for. It's the Qualia Condom.

Bad Kaduku Bad.


LOL
post #1850 of 17304
kaduku-

Yes it opens. I have a good sized center channel in the middle section with a Monster Power Center below.


http://www.diamondcase.com/TT/TT_HTM...T400_Open.HTML
post #1851 of 17304
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Originally posted by casey
kaduku-

Yes it opens. I have a good sized center channel in the middle section with a Monster Power Center below.


http://www.diamondcase.com/TT/TT_HTM...T400_Open.HTML

Casey - I seriously considered the TT400 but decided to get the Sony stand because the TT400 is about 24" tall while the Sony is about 16" tall. I was concerned about having to look up while watching the set. Do you find the height a problem?
post #1852 of 17304
Casey, I also am located in Michigan. Where abouts is this dealer located?
post #1853 of 17304
kmh71; Not sure where Casey is but there is a dealer that has them of 12 mile in Farmington that offered me the same deal prior to me buyig from Sony.
post #1854 of 17304
SRT-10 Viper

Do you recall if they included the same 3 year warranty??

I'm trying to determine if there is any difference other than price by waiting a few weeks for this next shipment to get into dealers' warehouses vs buying direct from Sony.
post #1855 of 17304
Son of a gun. He did it!!!! He had mentioned it, but at the price, I didn't know if he would pull the trigger.

He did tell me that with the new displays, it was the only way to stay competitive as a calibrator.

He has to do at a minimum 200 calibrations to get a return on that investment.

Go Eli!!!!

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Originally posted by nhey
As you guys know, I've mentioned I have a calibration scheduled for 2 -23.

Well... its being postponed until the end of April or beginning of May. My calibration guy is purchasing a Photo Research PR-650 SpectraColorimeter and won't receive it until mid-April. Costs about 20K !!

http://www.photoresearch.com/current/pr650.asp

He says only about 6 other calibrationists in the U.S. own one, of which only one or two others do "national tours".

He does think there is always room for improvement with any set and that he can make a great display even better.

Here is a quote: For what it's worth, I've seen a handful of sets in the eight years that I've been doing this that looked very impressive after some minimal adjustments. However, even those select few professional monitors had a decent amount of room for improvement.



post #1856 of 17304
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Originally posted by slocko
Son of a gun. He did it!!!! He had mentioned it, but at the price, I didn't know if he would pull the trigger.

He did tell me that with the new displays, it was the only way to stay competitive as a calibrator.

He has to do at a minimum 200 calibrations to get a return on that investment.

Go Eli!!!!


Slocko - I forget - do you own an 006, and are you going to get it calibrated by Eliab??
post #1857 of 17304
nhey,
I may be interested, but I'd like to wait on the first report on a home calibrated set. I guess there's always room for improvements, but just how much. The picture is so good already. I have been watching this thing on vivid, factory settings, except for picture, which I toned it down to 56, and I did hear that once calibrated, I will have to get used to it being darker.

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Originally posted by nhey
www.avical.com

He has not as yet done any 006s. He does tours around the country when he has enough interest in a certain area. He will not leave until he is satisfied he has gotten you the best picture possible. I'd describe him as a video perfectionist. If any owners are interested, PM me and I'll get a list going. I agree it seems as if there are a number of owners in California. If we can get enough, I might be able to get some sort of discount. Of course, I can't be sure, but I'll be glad to try.
post #1858 of 17304
After reading the FAQs on Avical.com, I realized that I am watching on torch mode on my 006, thus reducing life span on the bulb and maybe the set itself. I know several owners have posted different settings in Pro mode. Can someone please send me the settings that seems to work for them. I will use these settings only until professionally calibrated.
post #1859 of 17304
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Originally posted by Zechman
Um, here's the deal......................................................

Over-simplified short version for Penton-Man, who admits to skipping over long posts no matter how brilliant and/or insightful they are:
All games run at 30Hz.

Ha ! You are soooooo right. You know me too well.

I red (I like my reds !).Umhere's the deal....................................
skipped all the rest, then scrawled down to the end and was extremely gratified to see a one sentence pearl of wisdom that I can now retain at least for several years.
post #1860 of 17304
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Originally posted by nhey
I'd describe him as a video perfectionist.

Well that sounds good.
Perfection works great for things like displays and brain surgery so I may well be interested.

First I'd like to see what differences he provides you after callibration and also I kinda want to put more hours on my lamp.

Thanks again for the link for all of us.
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