QUALIA 006 Owner's Thread - Page 197

Eric, there is no indication that Sony will have a 1080p upgrade for the Qualia 006, unlike the 004. There has been nothing from Sony about it. Some have speculated here that it could be possible, some have said otherwise. But for now, do not assume there will be such an upgrade (although we would all be glad to see it). Similarly, there has been no suggestion that new sets would be made with it (like the R2 version of the 004). No suggestion at all; in fact, to the extent Sony has said anything about it, they have said they won't include 1080p. So, don't assume that by waiting you will get a set with 1080p.

No one here has ruled it out but there's no reason to expect it.

Cheers

I do not believe anyone here knows whether such an upgrade is even on the drawing boards for the Q006 much less when they will make it available or even start including it in new production runs.

Do you know something we don't?

If so, do tell.

Sometimes people confuse the Q004, and its associated upgrade to 1080p, with the 006.

I can't really help you with the Harmony (I'm a Pronto user.), but I can confirm that there is a direct IR remote code to toggle the speakers on/off. I wish there were two discretes for on and off like there are for power (and frankly, I don't know that there aren't any), but the toggle code works pretty well for me the way I have my remote set up.

--Dwayne

With the Xbox360 and PS3 being announced and both manufacturers stating they will do 1080p, how will the 006 handle these signals? Any thoughts?

Didn't think that there is a 1080p HDMI transmitter out. Has anyone heard any different??

Wellp,
Substitute markrubin for Mikey, BenDover for Mikey's brother and the cereal evaluation has done begun:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...0&pagenumber=3

I plan to buy a Qualia within a month,can anybody tell me how small dish sd looks on the set.I also have a Big dish that will look better,I am sure.

Thanks Zech, is there a site that lists all the IR codes? If not, can you provide me with the code for toggling the speakers on/off, thanks.

And hence we come full circle once again, does size really matter?

I got the codes from Remote Central.

Here is the list of discrete codes for Sony televisions.

These codes are formatted in a way that they can be used by the ProntoEdit program for Philips Pronto remotes--I don't know if they are useful for you as-is.

The only ones I've tried so far are the Power On, Power Off, Speakers On/Off, and the Video1-7; and they work wonderfully.

The only issue I've found with programming a remote is that the Qualia, when first turned on, ignores remote input for a few seconds while the bulb is powering up. So if you make a macro that does Power On & Video 7, even with a short delay in between, it doesn't switch the inputs. So you might have to treat powering up the TV as separate activity.

--Dwayne

I have a Direc TV HDTivo and a Time Warner SA 8300HD DVR feeding my Q006 through the HDMI connections. SD from the HD Tivo looks better than I have ever seen on any other set--better than just "watchable". The SD picture from the T-W HD box is just watchable. Dish size has nothing to do with PQ, unless the larger dish is receiving a digital signal which has been transmitted with a higher bit rate, and therefore, higher resolution.

PS3 will have 2 HDMI ports that will output 1080p. This will be able to have dual screen functionality. Dual Q006 gaming anyone?

XBox360 is only specifying 1080i right now. They will use the same setup as the current XBox for video interfaces. So maybe later they can support 1080p.

-xrispy

Just a short comment about the "big dish"

The little dish systems use extreme amounts of compression (which changes over time depending on content), as do some cable systems. The c-band systems use little compression, and is the source for network signals your local stations rebroadcast. It is the cleanest source available to the consumer, at the cost of having a huge dish system shadowing your back yard.

Dave W.

Wow, can you even buy the big C-band dishes anymore? I remember my dad had that WAY back in the day...

Assuming that's true, we'll all need to get PS3's and then raise holy hell with Sony about why their flagship television doesn't work with their new game system. Then maybe we'll get some sort of upgrade to 1080p.

At the same time, it'd be nice for them to allow TwinView to display two HD sources instead of just 1HD/1SD or 2SD. Then we'd be able to use the PS3's dual screen feature on the Qualia by connecting the PS3 to inputs 6 and 7.



Ick! If it's truly the same as the current XBox (as in, it uses the same interface and is interchangable with the current High Definition Adapter), then we'll never see anything better than component. I've read that the XBox's AV interface doesn't have digital signal capability (except optical audio) and that's why we have no DVI or HDMI adapter for the XBox today, not even from a third party.

Now if "the same setup" means a similar modular setup, but with a new different connector that includes all-digital video capability, then forget I said anything.

I guess in both cases, we'll know for sure eventually . . . .

--Dwayne

Hi PM:

I just read the thread. I had seen it before but had not looked in several days. I think, from what they say, that HDMI to Q and Audio to Proc via Coax or optical may resolve the pops. It sure does not sound like a surfers box. Even the 6412's are not too bad.

Still, we do not surf on the Q and only put that on when we have something to watch. It will better once we know how the guide does.

Take care...

Dave #507

Big Dish

With the popularity of the little dish and continued growth of cable, the "BUD" business has certainly evaporated. I know of only one shop still open in my area, although equipment can still be found on the INTERNET. Some info can be found at www.4dtvforum.com/ and this site as well. The best source for stuff may be your neighbor- I rescued a complete 3m dish system from someone who was getting ready to throw it away. Now I admit this is the kind of thing that will appeal only to the hobbyist, but now with sets like the Qualia coming out there may be new interest in the better signal source. Don't want to get too far off topic, but you may want to check into it.

Dave W.

Sorry, I meant same modular setup for the XBox360. MS is really pushing HD gaming on this platform.

PS3 is reportedly said to support dual HD through both HDMI ports. I didn't think about inputting to two inputs on the Q though. That would be nice especially for multi player on the same box. Always hated split screen view.

I can't wait for either one as they will both look absolutley incredible on the Q I'm sure.

Man, wish my Q would finally arrive. Still waiting...

THREAD TANGENT : Consumer BUD is breathing it's last breath. I believe currently there's only around 200k Videocipher II+ subs active nationwide and something like 100k 4DTV/digital sidecar subs active. Motorola runs a 'consumer authorizations center' and broadcasts guide info for the receivers as well as channel maps and satellite definitions. Without these, the 4DTV is basically a doorstop. In the current economic environment I tend to wonder how much longer they will continue as this costs money and they aren't charging the end users directly.

Most dish makers are out of business. Orbitron, KTI, Paraclipse, all are gone. KTI was bought by Orbitron which was bought by Patriot antenna. Paraclipse apparently saw the writing on the wall years ago and got into making pest equipment of all things. About two years ago, they dropped the dishes completely. Currently the only mesh antennas available Orbitron/Patriot are 16 and 24 footers. Thus, you can still get a reasonably sized new prime focus polar mount dish, but it's going to be a solid commercial version.

I believe within the next 5 years, C band will revert to the sole domain of the hobbyist where it started. Unless someone picks up the consumer authorizations side of things once Motorola decides to get out, all that glorious low-compression Digicipher II and analog Videocipher II will be lost to us. We'll still get DVB FTA broadcasts and in the clear analog, but that'll be it. This is very sad, as C band is by far the most pure, best quality signal one can receive for both SD and HD.

For my part, I had a 12' dish back when I was single but could not move it due to line of sight issues at the new house. Too many trees and they're beautiful ancient oaks so I'm not inclined to saw 'em down just for TV. Every time I see crappy SD and overcompressed HD, I start cursing under my breath and walking the lot trying to find a spot I could fit an 8 footer. I'd give ANYTHING to have my dish back. So if you can have C band, do yourself a favor... GET IT and enjoy it while you can.

This makes baby Q cry.

Todd Holmdahl, the Microsoft VP for Xbox hardware development, just had an interview with the editors of extremetech.com.

www extremetech com/article2/0,1558,1817031,00.asp

In it he states that Xbox360 is not 1080P capable. It will support composite, component and possibly VGA out of the box and S-video as an add on. He also talks about how the unit will not upscale DVD content (480P only).

Derek

Sorry about the URL but I can't post links yet.

LOL-
Brt, it looks like you've got em drooling over in the Pio thread.
I'm glad you decided to go for it.
Rob knows his stuff regarding the 59avi.

If you get a chance, try to do an A/B(best to rent two copies of the same DVD and toggle the inputs) between the Sony and Pio on inputs 6 and 7 before you return it. Might be interesting. because Sony may come out with a new (fixed?) model in the same price range sometime in the future.

Sheesh. No HDMI support on a next gen console. Microsoft really likes to keep annoying people don't they?

PM,
I pulled the Sony and dropped the Pioneer into it's place. No time yet to do a direct A/B, but here are my first impressions after spending about an hour eyeballing the basic settings. This was done with "The Fifth Element", as I know the film backwards and forwards and use it often as a reference. As with the Sony 975, I'm feeding the Pioneer signal into my Qualia 006 at 480i over HDMI.

First, the Pio has slightly exaggerated color saturation as set at the factory. I turned "chroma" down one click, which seemed to fix things nicely. Once I have time I'll go back and change the settings on this input of the Qualia to compensate more accurately.

Second, though the Pio didn't initially seem to have more fine detail resolution than the Sony, certain things are more noticeable on the Pioneer. In "The Fifth Element" (in the desert at the beginning) there are some shots of the sky that really show every flaw in the film master. These really seem to jump out on the Pioneer. This is somewhat analagous to the resolving power of the Qualia (though not to the same degree), where you tend to see every little flaw inherent in the source material. One test for me is the Nucleo Lab scene in "The Fifth Element". General Munro appears several times in this scene, and one great test for resolving power is to look at his shoulder patch. If "sharpness" is too elevated you'll actually lose detail in the patch. On the Pioneer I can read the letters on the patch more easily than on the Sony.

I am happier with the Pioneer in my system. Though the improvement so far is slight it is much more enjoyable to use, much nicer to look at in my "stack", and beautifully built and reliable. It should be a formidable piece when paired with the Algolith Dragonfly/Mosquito combo (and once I have the time to properly tweak things with DVE)...

Finally, guess what happened when I pulled the Sony out of my system? The dreaded tray lock reared it's ugly head (for the first time) and I nearly lost my newly acquired "Big Fish" DVD! After cycling the power several times the player finally regurgitated, but that alone may be reason enough for me NOT to put it back into the system for an A/B...

nhey,
You've got a PM from P-M.

To paraphrase Bob Pariseau...
"Reports from others in this thread are pretty consistent however. When using HDMI at 480i you should expect to have to change two items from the factory defaults you get when you load the 59avi settings of "HDMI Direct" mode into a Memory. First, change HDMI Color Adjust from Standard to Enhanced. Second, change Black Setup from 0 to 7.5. Again, this is *ONLY* reported as necessary for HDMI 480i.

This combination is supposed to be necessary to preserve both Blacker than Black AND Peak White data properly at HDMI 480i."

Imagine losing a "personal"(of you and the wife) DVD in the Sony and the consequences when zee wife would find out.

F.Y.I. - How do you set the IRE to 7.5?

Home Menu -> Video Adjust -> Memory1 (2 or 3) -> Detailed settings -> Black Setup (scroll down)

PM -- Headed OTD; will report later...

Joel, check you P.M.'s