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post #181 of 487
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Originally posted by Sneauxman
However, DVD-Audio & SACD are different. DVD-A is usually encoded in DD and/or DTS, this requires the player to have DD and DTS onboard decoding in order to output 5.1 Analog.
Wrong, the primary high-res track of a DVD-Audio disc is encoded using MLPCM lossless encoding while usually there is also a lossy DD 5.1 or DTS track. If you want to play DD/DTS track of the DVD-A, you can use the digital connection. SACD uses DSD and can only be decoded in player (speaking of HD841).
post #182 of 487
Can anyone confirm or deny whether the EZ VIEW option and "Screen fit" will work on ALL video outputs ? The manual tends to make one believe that it should , but I also thought that the DVD-A would output DTS :mad:

Thanks in advance ,

Scott...............:)
post #183 of 487
It does on mine. Right now I have it my Sammy hooked via the DVI cable and the EZ View works just fine. I had it hooked via component and it worked fine there too. DVD-A uses the 5.1 channel analog outputs to get the hi-res sound (like SACD). Some DVD-A discs also output DTS (if so encoded) throught the digital optical/coaxial connection on the player.
post #184 of 487
Thanks ChuckSolo ,

I was hoping that was the case . A few of us are trying to locate a DVD player that will do this "vertical stretching" on 2.35:1 material so we can add the Prismasonics's H-500 or H-1000 Anamorphic lens (PowerBuy still on!!) .

I'm also hoping that the soon-to-be-released HD-950 will have sorted out the BTB issues and also DTS through the Analog outputs .:D

We can only hope .

Scott...................;)
post #185 of 487
Scott, I'm not quite sure that DTS will ever be able to be output via the analog channels since it is a "digital" only medium. I too am hoping that the 950 will cure the BTB issue also, although on my system it really isn't that noticeable. I am looking forward to the day that I can retire my 841 to the bedroom and put the 950 in the main HT area.
post #186 of 487
ChuckSolo ,

quote"...I'm not quite sure that DTS will ever be able to be output via the analog channels since it is a "digital" only medium..."

So is Dolby Digital ! The only difference in being able to output "decoded" DD or DTS through the Analog outputs is the Manufacturers desire or ability to implement it. To output undecoded DD or DTS , we need or use either optical or co-axial output from the DVD player into our decoding device , Pre-Pro or A/V Receiver which then converts this and sends an Analog signal to the Amps . For SACD multi-channel and DVD-A (DD or DTS) the decoding must be present in the DVD player .

I was under the impression from a previous post , that Samsung had decided not to implement DTS decoding for the DVD-A Analog outputs . The manuals confirm this decision.

Scott.......................:)
post #187 of 487
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Originally posted by Scott_R_K
For SACD multi-channel and DVD-A (DD or DTS) the decoding must be present in the DVD player .
Lack of DTS via analog 5.1 is not that a big deal. A separate DTS decoder cost $$ while it may not offer better sound than the decoder from your reciver. Please rememer that only the lossless hi-res MLPCM track of the DVD-A has to be sent via analog 5.1 out. Lossy low-res DD or DTS track on a DVD-A disc can be sent through digital connection. In fact those DD or DTS track on a DVD-A disc can be played on any DVD player.

A typical DVD-A disc usually contains:

(1) 5.1 hi-res MLPCM track
(2) 2.0 hi-res stereo MLPCM track
(3) DD5.1 or DTS low-res track

Track 1 or 2 is the perferred track to playback (only on a DVD-A player). Track 3 is for playback on regular DVD player that can't be play track 1 or 2.

On top of that most DVD-A players (HD841 included) also output 96 KHz PCM through digital connection when track 1 or 2 is played through analog 5.1 out. This allows you to use the digital connection to play downmixed stereo sound.
post #188 of 487
Hi,

Can get 720p from component output? Some player, such like Toshiba 5970, which only output h-def by HDMI.

Xiaoyu,
post #189 of 487
With component, you can only get 480p/480i to get 720 or 1080 you need dvi or hdmi, if the component on the 841 could get you 720 or even 1080(which it cant), alot more people would buy it just for that, since alot of things still dont have dvi/hdmi yet and only component, but as time goes on, there will be alot of more devices strictly with dvi/hdmi connections, hope this helps...

arty
post #190 of 487
arty,

Thanks. I looked at the user's manual of 841 on the web. It's not very clear, since they put component/DVi on same select button. I can't find anywhere stated clearly. Do you know which dvd player that can do 720p over component?
post #191 of 487
I do not know of a dvd player that does 720p over component, but i can probably say you wont see much difference in 480p and 720p in most cases

Arty
post #192 of 487
Foxbat121 ,

quote..."On top of that most DVD-A players (HD841 included) also output 96 KHz PCM through digital connection when track 1 or 2 is played through analog 5.1 out. This allows you to use the digital connection to play downmixed stereo sound...."

I guess that was my original point although not made entirely clear by me .

If you want to experience full range 192Khz/24bit multichannel audio from either a DVD-A or SACD disc on a Universal player you must use the Analog outputs as the information will be down-rez'd for all Digital outputs as per the guidelines from Dolby and DTS to prevent copying of High-rez Digital Audio .

DTS music discs will output through the Digial connection but only in 96Khz/24bit stereo or 5.1 surround . Players like Denon or Pioneer with their proprietary I-Link technology get around this somewhat .

Will the Samsung output Hi-rez multichannel DTS through its Analog outputs ?

This still looks like a player with potential , thanks for the input .

Scott.............:)
post #193 of 487
The point I want to make clear is that Hi-res DVD audio is MLPCM not DD nor DTS. All DD or DTS discs can be played through digital connection without downmix. So there is really no need for the player to output DTS through 5.1 analog out.
post #194 of 487
Scott, I believe the Samsung will NOT output hi res DTS audio out from the analog ports. I think the manual states that DTS will not work when the six channel direct outputs are active. Then again, why would there be a need to. I currently have about 10 SACD titles and 4 DVD-A titles and they blow away my DTS music discs.

As far as upconversion via component goes, keep in mind, that some if not all the players that do upconversion over component will NOT upconvert copy protected material. This is done for obvious reasons. Further, most players that have HDMI/DVI interfaces usually require that both the player and the TV be HDCP compliant.

I have had my player now for almost a year and after doing the firmware upgrade I can honestly say that apart from the perceived inability to pass BTB, this is one heck of a player. I haven't had a bit of trouble with it and now that the firmware is fixed it is finer still. You're right, this player has a lot of potential, if only people would quit trashing it all over the web.
post #195 of 487
I have this player for 4 days. With DVI and 1080i setup, the Picture quality is much better compared to 480P. Only one thing, when I display the pictures JPEG files from a CD, the pictures are stretch with 4 black bars around. Is anyone know how to setup the player to display the pictures unstretch.
post #196 of 487
I bought one of these with out a remote. Does anyone have a pronto CCF file for this player.

Thanks
Ben
post #197 of 487
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Originally posted by jojo57
I read this unit will not play lost in space anyone else confirm this?
Funny you mentioned that, I tried playing it last night and the 841 went into a menu mode...piece of rubbish.
post #198 of 487
Thanks to ChuckSolo and Foxbat121 ,

I find myself humbled once again by superior knowledge and experience .:(

This is all great info and I will put it to good use .

Scott.........................:D
post #199 of 487
I have over 200 DVDs all play fine except lost in space,a copy plays fine.I Think its probably the way this older DVD is authored.
This player plays all my J PEG photo CD`s,Mp3 CD`s,DVD + and - R`s,Super Audio CD`s DTS ,Dolby Digital.
It has not missed a beat ,Never Frozen up, like my old 931.
It doesn't click every time you navigate with remote,like my bravo 2 did.
The Navigation is silky smooth,not clunky like my old 931.
I have to agree with ChuckSolo this little player is being unfairly bashed.
Its a great inexpensive up-converting player. jo
post #200 of 487
Not when you have a 92" screen and can see all the flaws, I'm personally looking for another player that has upconverting through the DVI.
post #201 of 487
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Originally posted by LENNY 2112
Not when you have a 92" screen and can see all the flaws, I'm personally looking for another player that has upconverting through the DVI.
I hate to say it, but if you have a 92" screen of any reasonable quality, DVDs are going to look flawed regardless of how you play them.

On my 65" screen, HD looks great, DVDs look okay (though not as good as they did before I got used to HD), and SD looks pretty crappy. On the 35" screen in my bedroom, though, SD actually looks quite decent.

If you're looking at 92" of screen real estate, HD is about the only thing that's going to look good. I think you're really waiting for the next generation of DVD, not something that's going to run a little sharpen filter on content that was originally intended for 480p widescreen output but has been resized for 720p or 1080i output. The other upconverting players or an HTPC with ffdshow may do a slightly better job than the 841, but I'm not sure anything is going to do what you want.

I'm not trying to come across negative, but you're very much limited by the source material here.
post #202 of 487
I have a mits ws-55413 and i was wondering if anyone has used this sammy dvd successfully with the dvi through this particular tv or a similar model. Most of you seem to have either an lcd, dlp or plasma.
post #203 of 487
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Originally posted by vin544
I have a mits ws-55413 and i was wondering if anyone has used this sammy dvd successfully with the dvi through this particular tv or a similar model. Most of you seem to have either an lcd, dlp or plasma.
It's not the Mitsu you have, but I'm using it successfully with a Toshiba RP-CRT (65HDX82) via DVI.
post #204 of 487
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Originally posted by SCWells72
I hate to say it, but if you have a 92" screen of any reasonable quality, DVDs are going to look flawed regardless of how you play them.

On my 65" screen, HD looks great, DVDs look okay (though not as good as they did before I got used to HD), and SD looks pretty crappy. On the 35" screen in my bedroom, though, SD actually looks quite decent.

If you're looking at 92" of screen real estate, HD is about the only thing that's going to look good. I think you're really waiting for the next generation of DVD, not something that's going to run a little sharpen filter on content that was originally intended for 480p widescreen output but has been resized for 720p or 1080i output. The other upconverting players or an HTPC with ffdshow may do a slightly better job than the 841, but I'm not sure anything is going to do what you want.

I'm not trying to come across negative, but you're very much limited by the source material here.
Well I'm not really comparing to HD, just another DVD player, HD does rock. I feel the Sammy may be fine on a smaller screen but I've seen a few players like the Denon and a Sony look alot nicer thru the same pj. But I do admit for 150 bucks it may not be a bad buy...just not for my pj. I may have bought too cheap and I am now looking at spending 300 or so. :D TAX RETURN is in the mail.
post #205 of 487
picked up the 841 from costco today. would someone please walk me threw the steps of upgrading the firmware ?
also is there a way to check the firmware version before i do the flash?
post #206 of 487
Bling, there are posts on this thread that will basically walk you through the installation of the firmware. I think I posted one myself. In any case, the firmware upgrade is available at www.samsung.com. You just pick your model and navigate to the firmware download page. One way to know if your player has the newest firmware is to plug it in via DVI and try to play a disc. If you can't see the picture, then you must first plug in the composite (yellow) connection and then the DVI. The yellow connection will allow you to access the DVI setup menu. If your player plays fine when you first plug in the DVI connection then you don't need the firmware upgrade. In any case, the instructions for the upgrade are on page 7 of this thread, about halfway down the page; it was posted by Gilley.
post #207 of 487
thanks ChuckSolo.

i initally hooked the 841 up threw dvi and had no problems so i guess theres no reason for the firmware upgrade. thanks again.
post #208 of 487
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Originally posted by dr_bling
thanks ChuckSolo.

i initally hooked the 841 up threw dvi and had no problems so i guess theres no reason for the firmware upgrade. thanks again.
Maybe.........., the one I got at Costco had DVI on automatically, but all the boxes they had were double taped and it had the older firmware. Looks like a batch of them (Costcos) were opened and had the DVI enabled without a new firmware.

I had the 2 CH audio "pop" problem up until I updated the firmware. It's been playing perfect ever since!
post #209 of 487
Since the firmware upgrade, has anyone noticed a hiccup with DD audio? The upgrade certainly resolved the DTS audio dropouts for me, but now when watching a DD DVD, I get the same phenomenon previously plaguing DTS tracks. Except it only happens 1-2 times, then flawlessly for the remainder of the movie. It's almost like the flags trip it up initially, then resolve.
post #210 of 487
Nope, never on my player. The DD track always plays great. Last night I watched a mail rental from Wal-Mart of "Duel" and was dismayed that the disc was severely scratched. I selected the DTS track and the disc played great and sounded excellent.:)
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