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post #31 of 56
And since Blkout can't follow a topic, I will point out that no one has made references to how much GM is giving back in incentives.

3 times the car? I don't think so. I am sure it is great, and I am a fan of the car, but dollar for dollar the cobra is a better value, and can be more easily and cheaply modded. The corvette is a true sports car, and the mustang isn't, so of course the vette will handle better, but don't think the cobra is a slouch either.In my original post I clearly said in a straight line. why blkout can't read, I don't know. Maybe he should get hooke on phonics.
post #32 of 56
And since we've gotten way off topic here :D, this thread has inspired me to pick up GT3 again and work on earning credits. Sounds like you will be able to roll over your credits from GT3 to GT4 if so desired.....

but is that cheating? Does it take something away from starting GT4 clean and fresh? Maybe so. Regardless, having a blast re-living GT3 until March....or April....or whenever.

Matt
post #33 of 56
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Originally posted by spelosi
And since Blkout can't follow a topic, I will point out that no one has made references to how much GM is giving back in incentives.

3 times the car? I don't think so. I am sure it is great, and I am a fan of the car, but dollar for dollar the cobra is a better value, and can be more easily and cheaply modded. The corvette is a true sports car, and the mustang isn't, so of course the vette will handle better, but don't think the cobra is a slouch either.In my original post I clearly said in a straight line. why blkout can't read, I don't know. Maybe he should get hooke on phonics.
What if I don't mod my car. I don't want to mess with computer reprogramming, etc. I just want something I can buy, turn the key, and stomp on. In that case, the vette is a better value.

If you are looking for what you can turn a car into through modifications, then yes, the cobra would be a better value.

Value is relative to your needs/wants.
post #34 of 56
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3 times the car? I don't think so. I am sure it is great, and I am a fan of the car, but dollar for dollar the cobra is a better value, and can be more easily and cheaply modded.
Sorry man. Can't agree. I had a '98 Camaro SS. Sure, it had the same engine as the C5 'vette. Sure it was slightly faster in a straight line than the 'vette (stock, that is), was way cheaper to mod, and cost half the price brand new. But was it even in the same class as the 'vette? No a chance. Was it a better price/performer? As sleeks points out, that depends on the evaluator.

A Mustang is a Mustang, and will only ever be a Mustang. It'll never be remotely close to the "worth" of a Corvette, at least in my mind.

Martin.
post #35 of 56
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What if I don't mod my car. I don't want to mess with computer reprogramming, etc. I just want something I can buy, turn the key, and stomp on. In that case, the vette is a better value.

If you are looking for what you can turn a car into through modifications, then yes, the cobra would be a better value.

Value is relative to your needs/wants.
#1 This thread is (loosly) about gt4. Where modding is the essence of the game.

#2 if you think 18K (the difference of the cars in the priced as tested in the article) for .1 in the 1/4 mile, .03 in lateral G's and 6 feet in the 60-0 braking test, and 2 mph in the slalom is a better value, then yes the vette is a better value, but I don't think it is. The mustang is based on 70's technology. The fact that this car is not even a true sports car, and comes this close for 18K less really says something about the quality of the car.

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A Mustang is a Mustang, and will only ever be a Mustang. It'll never be remotely close to the "worth" of a Corvette, at least in my mind.
I never said it was. I said it could crush it in a staright line for a lot less money (after very inexpensive mods). It's other people that brought up value and cornering.
post #36 of 56
Quote:
Originally posted by spelosi
And since Blkout can't follow a topic, I will point out that no one has made references to how much GM is giving back in incentives.

3 times the car? I don't think so. I am sure it is great, and I am a fan of the car, but dollar for dollar the cobra is a better value, and can be more easily and cheaply modded. The corvette is a true sports car, and the mustang isn't, so of course the vette will handle better, but don't think the cobra is a slouch either.In my original post I clearly said in a straight line. why blkout can't read, I don't know. Maybe he should get hooke on phonics.

LOL, better value for what? Drag racing? A Grand National or 5.0 Mustang is a far better value than your Cobra for drag racing but I don't see you selling your Cobra to buy one, why is that? I don't need to defend the Z06, magazines reviewers have been doing it for the last 4 years just fine, the proof is in the pudding as they say. The Z06 is one of the best sports cars under $100,000 with the Viper being its ONLY competition. The Cobra........well, its a Mustang with a supercharger.

Maybe you shouldn't have put your foot in your mouth in this thread and you might not have had so many people laugh at your idiotic remarks. ;)
post #37 of 56
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Originally posted by spelosi
Maybe he should get hooke on phonics.
If you're going to argue like a child, at least spell hooked right.
post #38 of 56
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Originally posted by Scotty L
If you're going to argue like a child, at least spell hooked right.
I see, I am the child. I guess you never made a typo?

blkout, The cobra is a better value than the corvette in the article you sent. It seems you have no ability to follow a conversation, and quickly shift the argument to suit your needs. Once I prove a point, you try moving the argument to another topic. Bottom line is that in a straight line, which is what I originally stated : the cobra is as good or better than any car in that game when modded. Why you have a hard time with this is beyond me. Enjoy your z06, and I'll enjoy my cobra.
post #39 of 56
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Originally posted by spelosi
I see, I am the child. I guess you never made a typo?

Bottom line is that in a straight line, which is what I originally stated : the cobra is as good or better than any car in that game when modded. Why you have a hard time with this is beyond me.

Its stupid statements like this that make people laugh at you. :o
post #40 of 56
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Originally posted by spelosi
#1 This thread is (loosly) about gt4. Where modding is the essence of the game.

#2 if you think 18K (the difference of the cars in the priced as tested in the article) for .1 in the 1/4 mile, .03 in lateral G's and 6 feet in the 60-0 braking test, and 2 mph in the slalom is a better value, then yes the vette is a better value, but I don't think it is. The mustang is based on 70's technology. The fact that this car is not even a true sports car, and comes this close for 18K less really says something about the quality of the car.



I never said it was. I said it could crush it in a staright line for a lot less money (after very inexpensive mods). It's other people that brought up value and cornering.
Ok, if this thread is about GT4, then does it really matter. It is to be seen but if it is as easy to get money in GT4 as it was in GT3 then just buy both and mod both. I'm pretty sure that most of the posts on the Mustang vs. Vette were real-world, real-money discussions, not a video game with monopoly money.

To your second point, I say again. Value is relative. If you want to buy the Mustang and save 15-20K fine, do it. Yes, performance is close, not the same, but close. Other people also see value in apperance, interior features, etc. If you are looking at performance for a bargain, then between these two cars, get the Mustang. If you want performance with a little bit more refinement and a different look from a Mustang, get the vette. If you are strickly looking at straight line performance for the lowest cost, my local classic muscle car dealer has an 850hp camaro from the 1970's for $23K. Wanna race? My point is that there are many other options that can be modded to run in a straight line with the Mustang that costs less.
post #41 of 56
Here will be a fun task.

When GT4 comes out we should have a contest. The person who spends the least amount of money (prize cars not allowed) with the fastest quarter mile time wins.

We could have a few categories: (total dollars, car cost and mods)
Under $20,000
20K-25K
25K-30K
30K-35K
35K-40K
40K-45K
45K-50K
50K-60K
60K-70K
70K+

Lets see what cars with modifications can run the fastest in each category. It will be fun to see if someone can put together a 25K car that will run faster than a 35K car. And it will be interesting to see if Mustang cobras or Z06s win any of the categories.

What do you think?
post #42 of 56
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Originally posted by sleeks
If you are strickly looking at straight line performance for the lowest cost, my local classic muscle car dealer has an 850hp camaro from the 1970's for $23K. Wanna race? My point is that there are many other options that can be modded to run in a straight line with the Mustang that costs less.

Exactly, which I pointed out earlier also. I have a friend with a high 7 second Mustang with no more invested than his Cobra and it will certainly blow it away at the drag strip, to my friend, that was the best value.


The Z06 costs more than a Cobra because it does everything well, it quicker in the 1/4, its handles better, it stops better, and it rides better and has more features. When is the last time you saw a Mustang with a Heads Up Display? Never, and I love mine, its such a nice feature. The Z06 is simply a better machine and even though it costs more than a Cobra, its still a better value since it could cost far more than what a Z06 costs to get a Cobra to equal it in all performance aspects. The fact is, the Corvette is a better platform to work with.
post #43 of 56
Quote:
Originally posted by sleeks
Here will be a fun task.

When GT4 comes out we should have a contest. The person who spends the least amount of money (prize cars not allowed) with the fastest quarter mile time wins.

We could have a few categories: (total dollars, car cost and mods)
Under $20,000
20K-25K
25K-30K
30K-35K
35K-40K
40K-45K
45K-50K
50K-60K
60K-70K
70K+

Lets see what cars with modifications can run the fastest in each category. It will be fun to see if someone can put together a 25K car that will run faster than a 35K car. And it will be interesting to see if Mustang cobras or Z06s win any of the categories.

What do you think?

Well, the problem with that is GT4 is very limited compared to real life. If 1/4 performance is your only criteria, an older small block chevy in a Nova II or a 5.0 Mustang, or a Grand National would be the best value for drag racing.
post #44 of 56
Quote:
Originally posted by Blkout
Well, the problem with that is GT4 is very limited compared to real life. If 1/4 performance is your only criteria, an older small block chevy in a Nova II or a 5.0 Mustang, or a Grand National would be the best value for drag racing.
I agree. I'm not trying to do real life. Like I said, there is a older camaro at the local muscle car dealer that has 850 hp. It is 10K cheaper than a new Cobra. The guy that was arguing that the Mustang was better because you could mod it and make it faster than the zo6. He made it clear he was talking about the game.

I think it would be fun to mod cars in the game and see who could make the fastest 1/4 mile in the game in different categories of cost. If no one wants to do it, I think I might myself.

By the way, there is a Grand National in the game.
post #45 of 56
Quote:
Originally posted by sleeks
I agree. I'm not trying to do real life. Like I said, there is a older camaro at the local muscle car dealer that has 850 hp. It is 10K cheaper than a new Cobra. The guy that was arguing that the Mustang was better because you could mod it and make it faster than the zo6. He made it clear he was talking about the game.

I think it would be fun to mod cars in the game and see who could make the fastest 1/4 mile in the game in different categories of cost. If no one wants to do it, I think I might myself.

By the way, there is a Grand National in the game.

Actually, the guy was talking about real life as well, and yes I know there is a Grand National in the game but again the game is so limited that I don't know what will be possible with that car in the game. The fastest GN's in the world right now will smoke any modded Cobra in the world, I just don't know if the game represents those HP figures correctly or not.
post #46 of 56
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Originally posted by spelosi
#1 This thread is (loosly) about gt4. Where modding is the essence of the game.
No, Blkout, he told me it was about the game.

I realize there is a difference between a game and real-world. I'm not stupid.

What I suggested was something that I think would be fun to do in the game. I do not think that it would tell us anything about real world performance. Relax.
post #47 of 56
Quote:
Originally posted by sleeks
No, Blkout, he told me it was about the game.

I realize there is a difference between a game and real-world. I'm not stupid.

What I suggested was something that I think would be fun to do in the game. I do not think that it would tell us anything about real world performance. Relax.
Do these quotes sound like he's talking about a video game to you?





"And just be glad you live far enough away that you never have to see my 03 cobra coming up behind you. It will make your bald head spin when I whip past you. Wouldn't be the first time I embarrassed a baldie."


"After reading the new motortrend I don't think the 05 GTO stock will be much of a match for the 03-04 cobra, but we will have to see when it gets in the hands of a good driver. The drivers for most car mags (with the exception of GM Hightech Performace and MM&FF) usually don't run the best times. Again, I am talking about a straight line 1/4 mile run."


"#1 This thread is (loosly) about gt4. Where modding is the essence of the game."


"#2 if you think 18K (the difference of the cars in the priced as tested in the article) for .1 in the 1/4 mile, .03 in lateral G's and 6 feet in the 60-0 braking test, and 2 mph in the slalom is a better value, then yes the vette is a better value, but I don't think it is. The mustang is based on 70's technology. "


"I never said it was. I said it could crush it in a staright line for a lot less money (after very inexpensive mods). It's other people that brought up value and cornering."
post #48 of 56
Quote:
Originally posted by Blkout
Do these quotes sound like he's talking about a video game to you?





"And just be glad you live far enough away that you never have to see my 03 cobra coming up behind you. It will make your bald head spin when I whip past you. Wouldn't be the first time I embarrassed a baldie."


"After reading the new motortrend I don't think the 05 GTO stock will be much of a match for the 03-04 cobra, but we will have to see when it gets in the hands of a good driver. The drivers for most car mags (with the exception of GM Hightech Performace and MM&FF) usually don't run the best times. Again, I am talking about a straight line 1/4 mile run."


"#1 This thread is (loosly) about gt4. Where modding is the essence of the game."


"#2 if you think 18K (the difference of the cars in the priced as tested in the article) for .1 in the 1/4 mile, .03 in lateral G's and 6 feet in the 60-0 braking test, and 2 mph in the slalom is a better value, then yes the vette is a better value, but I don't think it is. The mustang is based on 70's technology. "


"I never said it was. I said it could crush it in a staright line for a lot less money (after very inexpensive mods). It's other people that brought up value and cornering."
I wasn't going to reply but....

I agreed with you that I thought he was talking about the real world too. He was going on and on about value. After I told him that some people don't want to modify their cars, he said

#1 This thread is (loosly) about gt4. Where modding is the essence of the game

So then I went the video game route.

Does it really matter. Argue this point with him, not me. He seems to be the one going back and forth and using the real world when it suits him and using the video game when the real world doesnt give him the answers he wants.

Anyway, my suggestion is just a fun competition, not meant to prove what car is faster in the real world. Relax. You seem to be having too much fun arguing with everyone in this forum today. (I have been reading your pleasant comments in the component switch thread too)

We are way off topic. This is supposed to be about the car list.

Back on topic. Maybe when the game comes out I'll post up again and we can an AVS competition to see who can spend the least amount of money to get the fastest 1/4 mile time. (Maybe we can have an unmodified and modified class or something.) If there is any interest I can track it.
post #49 of 56
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Originally posted by sleeks
I wasn't going to reply but....

I agreed with you that I thought he was talking about the real world too. He was going on and on about value. After I told him that some people don't want to modify their cars, he said

#1 This thread is (loosly) about gt4. Where modding is the essence of the game

So then I went the video game route.

Does it really matter. Argue this point with him, not me. He seems to be the one going back and forth and using the real world when it suits him and using the video game when the real world doesnt give him the answers he wants.

Anyway, my suggestion is just a fun competition, not meant to prove what car is faster in the real world. Relax. You seem to be having too much fun arguing with everyone in this forum today. (I have been reading your pleasant comments in the component switch thread too)

We are way off topic. This is supposed to be about the car list.

Back on topic. Maybe when the game comes out I'll post up again and we can an AVS competition to see who can spend the least amount of money to get the fastest 1/4 mile time. (Maybe we can have an unmodified and modified class or something.) If there is any interest I can track it.

I'm not arguing with ya man, I was telling you that he was talking about more than just the game. He got too defensive and decided to get personal with it.
post #50 of 56
Does anyone here on this site know if GT4 will let you modify the exterior body of every car in the game??????GT3 would not let you perform it on every car!!!!!If GT4 won't let you modify the body of the car then i'm probley not going to purchase this game.................it was either the original GT or GT2 that you could purchase any car and mod it to death and then create a racing type shell for almost every car...that was awesome.....
post #51 of 56
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Originally posted by quickfire
Does anyone here on this site know if GT4 will let you modify the exterior body of every car in the game??????GT3 would not let you perform it on every car!!!!!If GT4 won't let you modify the body of the car then i'm probley not going to purchase this game.................it was either the original GT or GT2 that you could purchase any car and mod it to death and then create a racing type shell for almost every car...that was awesome.....

I'm sure the answer can be found here if you do a search.....

http://gtplanet.net/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=55

If not, just register and ask the same question there, someone will give you the answer.
post #52 of 56
Thread Starter 
I have heard that you won't be able to modify the body, like you can in GT2. But there will be plenty of racing models, like you will have a street Camaro and a Racing Camaro with a full racing body, like in GT3.

I am not 100% sure though, its info I've gathered from the net, before the game was out in Japan. Now that it is out somebody should know for sure.
post #53 of 56
Well im crossing my fingers........in hopes that maybe this was the reason for the delay!
post #54 of 56
I hope they have my 93 tempo winter car in there complete with rusted everything and pooched interior!! and the batmobile!
post #55 of 56
Hey they have like 20 versions of my rx7 :)
post #56 of 56
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Originally posted by ttrex
Hey they have like 20 versions of my rx7 :)

Yea, that's what sucks about Gran Turismo, they include about 87 versions of the same damn car just to make the car list look bigger. I've said before and I'll say again, I would rather drive ONE Ferrari than 87 versions of the same Honda.
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