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post #1051 of 1311
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Originally Posted by spongebob View Post

But will the component transcode? to hdmi?


No. The original 5805 has no analog to HDMI conversion.
post #1052 of 1311
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Originally Posted by Jase H View Post

No. The original 5805 has no analog to HDMI conversion.

Page 14 and 15 of the manual...
post #1053 of 1311
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Originally Posted by Steve Richards View Post

Page 14 and 15 of the manual...

Thanks, Guys

That's a bummah


bob
post #1054 of 1311
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Originally Posted by spongebob View Post

Thanks, Guys

That's a bummah


bob

Contact Denon about the upgrade to MKII

dc
post #1055 of 1311
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Originally Posted by DreamCatcher View Post

Contact Denon about the upgrade to MKII

dc


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post #1056 of 1311
Hi! I've got a Denon Avc-XV1a ( the european version of 5805 receiver). I'd like to do a tech question:
I use the Denon scaler and the question is:
If I scale up from SD (480i/p or 576i/p) to HD (720p-1080i/p)


What does denon make with the colour space? Does it change from Rec 601 to Rec 709 ?


Thanks in advanced
post #1057 of 1311
I just picked up the Denon 5805ci and have a couple of questions. I owned the original 5805 and sold it for the McIntosh MX119 and MC207 but sold the Mac pieces (setting up a two channel listening room but that is another story) and downsized the theater back to the Denon.

I messed around with the original 5805 and felt comfortable enough to set the ci version up myself. The questions I have are:
1. When I put a DVD or any source on, the setting is for Stereo and not Dolby Digital, or DTS eventhough I have the unit set up for auto I believe. How do you set up the 5805ci inputs to automatically go to DD, DTS, PLIIx, DTS ES, DD EX, etc?
2. Do the Ext. In, utilize Audyssey for uncompressed audio?
3. Friday, I will be having a new projector set up and an HDMI cable run for the first time, will the 5805ci through HDMI play back uncompressed PCM audio?
4. The front screen on the Denon, as of right now states that I am in auto, Digital, and PCM, do all sources state PCM or do I need to change something in set up?
5. Is there something in the set up that enables on screen display to work through component video connections. As of right now I only have component until Friday or next week.
6. I also am using the DVD input on the 5805ci for my Denon 2910 DVD player, the VDP input for my Panasonic Blu-ray player, the TV Input for my Direct TV/Tivo, VCR1 input for my X-box 360 and the V-Aux input for my Toshiba HD DVD player, Is this ok to do or how else to input all my sources?

I hope this is not to confusing. I am sure I will have more questions and thanks for any help.
post #1058 of 1311
Ok.

1. Once you've selected AUTO as the Input Mode you'll still have to manually select which mode you want it to use whether that be Stereo, Dolby D, Dolby D + PLIIx etc. Once you've done this it will then remember them from then onwards. If you're currently in Stereo mode just press the Standard button on the front panel to change over to Dolby/DTS etc.

2. The EXT In's can use Audyssey but you must make sure the EXT In's are set to use DSP processing. This is done from the main setup menu - Audio Input Setup - EXT In Setup.

3. Yes, the 5805CI can accept uncompressed PCM audio via HDMI. Again, make sure it's setup to accept it by going into the main setup menu - Video Setup - HDMI/DVI In Assign and set the HDMI Audio option to AMP.

4. Once in AUTO mode that will always be lit but the other indicators on the left hand side of the display will also light up telling you what the source is. Whether that be Dolby D, DTS etc etc.

5. The OSD should work via Component by default.

6. Sounds pretty much like I have mine. You can also rename the Inputs if you wish.
post #1059 of 1311
Jase H,

Thanks for the input. I have kind of fumbled around most of the week with the 5805ci and have gotten the hang of this unit pretty easily. As everyone states this unit is a beast that is loaded with high quality, features and awesome sound. I am going to listen to a lot of music today and see how it stacks up to my McIntosh MX119.

One more quick question. Does the "On Screen Display" work with HDMI? I see everywhere that it does but how do I get it to come on when I mess with the volume, inputs or sound fields like DD or DTS etc.? I don't get anything when doing this. I have my projector hooked up to the Denon through HDMI.

If anyone knows of anything I am doing wrong with the OSD please let me know.

By the way, I have heard a lot of people stating HDMI is a crap shoot with handshaking issues but I have not seen one issue what so ever with my HD/Tivo receiver, Toshiba HD DVD player, Pannasonic BD player nor my Denon DVD player. The picture quality is definately superior to component with my Sony Pearl projector.
post #1060 of 1311
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Originally Posted by VTGOLFER View Post

Jase H,



One more quick question. Does the "On Screen Display" work with HDMI? I see everywhere that it does but how do I get it to come on when I mess with the volume, inputs or sound fields like DD or DTS etc.? I don't get anything when doing this. I have my projector hooked up to the Denon through HDMI.

If anyone knows of anything I am doing wrong with the OSD please let me know.

projector.

I've never seen a status OSD on in any of the 2 flagship Denon amps I've had including my current AVC-A1XVA. As far as I know OSD is only for driving setup & EQ functions on screen, not noting inputs selections, volume level, etc.
post #1061 of 1311
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Originally Posted by OzHDHT View Post

I've never seen a status OSD on in any of the 2 flagship Denon amps I've had including my current AVC-A1XVA. As far as I know OSD is only for driving setup & EQ functions on screen, not noting inputs selections, volume level, etc.


It does on my Dad's original 5805, component out.


bob
post #1062 of 1311
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Originally Posted by spongebob View Post

It does on my Dad's original 5805, component out.


bob


Well, ok, but I've never stumbled across it on mine, nor seen anyway to activate anything but the OSD generally which only seems to come up when accessing the main menu or adjusting EQ. That's via HDMI at least, but I have used other connections and found the same. I'm certain it would be covered in the manual if it did do a general OSD 'flash-up' for volume changes, etc. but again I've never noticed it in there, not that I've gone through it with fine tooth comb.
post #1063 of 1311
If I am not mistaken Denon advertises that it will do OSD via HDMI or is that just for the set up menu. As advanced as the 5805ci is it should be able to do OSD through HDMI or component for volume, input, room eq, surround fields, etc. Basic info.
post #1064 of 1311
My A1XV (5805) flashes up volume changes, channel level menus, surround parameters, EQ etc etc. These are overlaid on the video image. This is via the Component Output. Source is S-Video (576i) converted to Component and scaled to 1080i by the Denon.

It doesn't do this with a 1080i Component video source from my HD DVD player or 720p from an Xbox360. The image is shut off and the relevant OSD will come up instead.
post #1065 of 1311
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Originally Posted by VTGOLFER View Post

If I am not mistaken Denon advertises that it will do OSD via HDMI or is that just for the set up menu. As advanced as the 5805ci is it should be able to do OSD through HDMI or component for volume, input, room eq, surround fields, etc. Basic info.

As far as I know the OSD will only appear over HDMI for the setup menu and maybe surround parameters but volume etc don't appear.
post #1066 of 1311
I'm looking for some help with a problem I am experiencing on the Denon 5805MKII. I have two 5.1 zones setup. Zone 1 is using component video to a Sanyo Projector. Zone 2 is using S-Video over cat 5 to a CRT Sony TV. I've had this setup working well for 5 months. In the last month I've been getting what I will call static on the zone 2 image. It isn't really static, it is probably best described as thin interferance lines that randomly appear on the screen like a tiger's stripes. I can typically watch for a period of time and then this static starts and stops in about 1 minute. It usually only occurs once and then goes away. I see it on 2 sources VCR-1(xbox) and TV (Directivo) with the inputs being 480i. Sometimes the volume OSD disappears after this happens. (I do have a volume OSD on my screen that appears superimposed on the video in zone 2...to comment on the preceding posts).

A week and a half ago I spoke with Jason who had me unplug the unit. Since I did this I have seen the static two other times but the duration was minimal. This leads me to believe that there is a Denon issue. Has anyone else seen something like this?
post #1067 of 1311
Has anyone done this upgrade from the orignal 5805? Anyone know one way or the other whether it's still available (I know how dated the Denon website can be -- where did that Audyssey updater go anyway? [I have it, just never quite got around to installing it -- got close a couple of weeks ago...])

I'm feeling the urge to go 1080p due to a few quirks in the behavior of 1080i in the receiver vs 1080p with the TV and blu-ray player (all via HDMI). All of the HDMI splitter workarounds I've tried (I'm going to try one or two more things with my last ditch attempt...) have not worked due to various conflicts and/or lackings regarding pulling multichannel sound from the player and the TV only wanting stereo, etc, 1080i vs 1080p and automatic detection in the player etc. Seems like I could be more or less up to date with the upgrade and maybe be in pretty good shape for several more years on top of that (vs it being nearly its 2 year update and here I am looking for workaround to just biting the bullet and getting the upgrade...).

So, anyone done this? All success stories and miserable failure stories and anything in between are hereby solicited... Also, anyone have any feelings regarding shipping it to "Gold Crown" in CA vs Denon factory service in NJ? (the former being much closer to me)

Thanks....
post #1068 of 1311
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Originally Posted by fmalczewski View Post

Has anyone done this upgrade from the orignal 5805? Anyone know one way or the other whether it's still available (I know how dated the Denon website can be -- where did that Audyssey updater go anyway? [I have it, just never quite got around to installing it -- got close a couple of weeks ago...])

I'm feeling the urge to go 1080p due to a few quirks in the behavior of 1080i in the receiver vs 1080p with the TV and blu-ray player (all via HDMI). All of the HDMI splitter workarounds I've tried (I'm going to try one or two more things with my last ditch attempt...) have not worked due to various conflicts and/or lackings regarding pulling multichannel sound from the player and the TV only wanting stereo, etc, 1080i vs 1080p and automatic detection in the player etc. Seems like I could be more or less up to date with the upgrade and maybe be in pretty good shape for several more years on top of that (vs it being nearly its 2 year update and here I am looking for workaround to just biting the bullet and getting the upgrade...).

So, anyone done this? All success stories and miserable failure stories and anything in between are hereby solicited... Also, anyone have any feelings regarding shipping it to "Gold Crown" in CA vs Denon factory service in NJ? (the former being much closer to me)

Thanks....

I did this upgrade to mine(A1XV) when it first came available. Well worth it for a 1080p projector and extracting multichannel audio alone. HDMI splitters just aren't going to achieve what you need. HDMI is flakey at the best of times and the more you play with it, the more probs you get.

I think you've just got to hope that the boards are still available for the upgrade. I know here I'd have probably no chance trying to get the local Denon distrib to do the upgrade now. I would get on to Denon and confirm you can still get the upgrade. In my experience the distrib who handled 2 upgrades for me on 2 different Receivers had zero issue doing them. I think you'll find the same from Gold Crown or any decent authorized repair center.
post #1069 of 1311
insure, insure, insure. I don't think they do the upgrade anywhere but NJ. I love the features that the upgrade brought me but was without my receiver for over three months. Make sure you double box at a minimum and inspect carefully when they return. believe it or not they ship the damn things UPS ground. Lets just say it crossed the country a few times. Call at least every two weeks to reminded them that you exist. If something goes wrong (damaged in shipment for instance) call weekly to check on progress. Mine sat in a corner for 3 weeks because nobody wanted to deal with it.
post #1070 of 1311
Fmal...,

They are still doing the upgrade - I received mine back from New Jersey this Monday. 15 days from me shipping it out to them getting it back on my doorstep - only about 5 working days at the service center when you take into acount UPS ground there and Fedex ground back. Came back in the original box (the one I sent it in), well packed (they even patched a minor tear in the box that was there when I shipped it out). I have not yet set it up as I was out of town all week. Looking forward to the fun this weekend!

Cheers,

Mike
post #1071 of 1311
Missed a few posts... One "future-proof" question I still have with the 1080p (5805 MkII version) was whether there's any way to tell if the upgrade supports 1080p/24. [None of my other gear does, but I anticipate the 5805 staying in my system much longer than my other gear will...]

Also, by double box, I can only imagine putting another layer or two of cardboard around the original (store-bought) box; that's about all that would fit in my car's front seat. Were you really thinking of packing it in a box even larger than that, stuffed with peanuts, for example?

[I once tried out a Parasound Halo amp and pre-amp, had it shipped from way out east and it was pretty amazing how messed up the shipping cartons arrived. Physically the items were ok (the amp weighed about the same as the 5805). The pre-amp was really flakey though, perhaps due to the rough handling it had, though it only weight about 20 or 25 lbs, as I recall; the amp had a slight hum too - at that point I decided I just wanted a receiver, thus eventually the 5805. Can only imagine what the boxes looked like when they arrived way back east again (although I applied excessive amounts of tape to maybe hold them together a bit better for their return voyage).

Partly why I hesitated / ruled out a shipment to NJ (the other part was the cost and not knowing whether I'd ever need/want 1080p... guess I do). CA may work out a little bit better.]

Pretty close to taking the plunge, though already going through withdrawal symptoms just thinking about it...
post #1072 of 1311
Sent it out to CA on Mon 10/1, got it back on Fri 11/2. Not too bad; took a while for the upgrade kit to arrive from NJ. UPS both ways, box (and styrofoam inside) a bit the worse for wear, but the receiver looks just like it did when I shipped it out -- except for the 1080p sticker now on its front door, and the extra HDMI inputs on the back..

Seems to be working well, although the internet radio seems a bit flakey (did a lot of time outs on the two or three stations I played with) .. no biggy, not really why I got the upgrade). May try out a different ethernet wiring scheme at some point, and some different stations.

Used the settings I wrote down before shipping it out, so calibration is still needed.

Just found this, good to see the HDMI 1.1 supports 1080p/24 and 7.1 PCM channels at 24bit/96kHz (I have 1080p going, but not /24 yet, and use it bi-amped to 5.1 channels so still some room to move):

http://usa.denon.com/AVR_CI_HDMI_Cap...6xx_2x07xx.pdf
post #1073 of 1311
Depending on what I'm watching, or listening to, I use three EQ settings. They are Audyssey, Off and Manual. When I switch to a different source the EQ setting stays where it was set with the previous source. Is it possible to program the 5805 where the EQ setting will automatically revert back to the previous EQ setting FOR THAT SOURCE, rather than remain set the way it was for the previous source? If so, how?

This is rather hard to explain, I hope I'm being clear. The problem is that I always use Audyssey for video sources, but find it to bright for most straight audio sources like CD or SACD. I'm always forgetting to change the EQ to Audyssey when I switch from a CD source to a video source and I'd like the 5805 to do it for me. Can it?
post #1074 of 1311
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Originally Posted by egrady View Post

Depending on what I'm watching, or listening to, I use three EQ settings. They are Audyssey, Off and Manual. When I switch to a different source the EQ setting stays where it was set with the previous source. Is it possible to program the 5805 where the EQ setting will automatically revert back to the previous EQ setting FOR THAT SOURCE, rather than remain set the way it was for the previous source? If so, how?

This is rather hard to explain, I hope I'm being clear. The problem is that I always use Audyssey for video sources, but find it to bright for most straight audio sources like CD or SACD. I'm always forgetting to change the EQ to Audyssey when I switch from a CD source to a video source and I'd like the 5805 to do it for me. Can it?

Yes.
You need to go into the setup menu and select "assign" instead of it's current setting of "All".

dc
post #1075 of 1311
DC,

Thanks, I'll give it a whirl.
post #1076 of 1311
Has anyone heard anything from Denon about an upgrade for decoding Dolby TrueHD and DTS-Master? I'm thinking that would require replacing the HDMI ports, which is what the current upgrade does, so I'm not that optimistic. Just thought I'd ask anyway. Every now and then I get the bug to go to a receiver that can decode the new lossy and lossless formats, but hate to think about parting with the 5805. I am a two channel guy first, so the new surround formats come in second anyway, but it would be nice if the 5805 could decode DTS-Master since it looks like a lot of the new Blu Ray releases have it. Wishful thinking I guess.
post #1077 of 1311
It would take more than just changing or adding HDMI ports, you'd also need a whole new set of Dolby and DTS decoding chipsets for the new formats, and quite possibly some other related circuitry as well. Seeing that the entire 5805 series has been dropped/discontinued, it probably is something that never will happen. Although it would be nice, I really doubt that you will see and such upgrades offered for any of 5805/MKII/CI models.
post #1078 of 1311
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Has anyone heard anything from Denon about an upgrade for decoding Dolby TrueHD and DTS-Master? I'm thinking that would require replacing the HDMI ports, which is what the current upgrade does, so I'm not that optimistic. Just thought I'd ask anyway. Every now and then I get the bug to go to a receiver that can decode the new lossy and lossless formats, but hate to think about parting with the 5805. I am a two channel guy first, so the new surround formats come in second anyway, but it would be nice if the 5805 could decode DTS-Master since it looks like a lot of the new Blu Ray releases have it. Wishful thinking I guess.

Players are already out that decode Dolby TureHD and are on the way that decode DTS-MasterAudio, have you considered letting the source player do the decoding work? That way you can get all the new codecs and keep your beloved 5805

btw i'm in the same boat with the same thoughts
dc
post #1079 of 1311
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Originally Posted by DreamCatcher View Post

Players are already out that decode Dolby TureHD and are on the way that decode DTS-MasterAudio, have you considered letting the source player do the decoding work? That way you can get all the new codecs and keep your beloved 5805

btw i'm in the same boat with the same thoughts
dc

Yeah, I know, but I was under the impression that you needed 1.3 hdmi ports to pass and accept the lossless signal? It's all so confusing.
post #1080 of 1311
Yep, seeing as they are about to be pushing the new flagship AVC-A1HD, you won't see any more focus on the 5805. I've had 2 generations of flagship upgradeable models and this what's happened both times. Once a full replacement model is launched the upgrade path for the existing highend model ends. I won't be upgrading at this stage, mainly because I've spent next to no time this year using the HT where my existing A1XVA is located. As was mentioned it makes a lot more sense to let the player do the newer format decoding anyway.

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Originally Posted by bslep View Post

Yeah, I know, but I was under the impression that you needed 1.3 hdmi ports to pass and accept the lossless signal? It's all so confusing.

Yeah that's if you are trying to get the raw stream to an external decoder AFAIK. If you've already decoded it to PCM in the source, I'm fairly certain HDMI 1.3 is irrelevant.
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