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post #1081 of 1311
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Originally Posted by bslep View Post

Yeah, I know, but I was under the impression that you needed 1.3 hdmi ports to pass and accept the lossless signal? It's all so confusing.

Confusing... yes it is, but
Basically you have two choices at this point,
let the source decode the lossless codec
or
let the processor/receiver decode it.

not sure if one has an advantage over the other.

dc
post #1082 of 1311
Yeah that's if you are trying to get the raw stream to an external decoder AFAIK. If you've already decoded it to PCM in the source, I'm fairly certain HDMI 1.3 is irrelevant.[/quote]

I didn't realize that. I'm a happy camper again!
post #1083 of 1311
It's going to be very tough "settling" for anything but the 5805 (MKII in my case).
It does SO many things so well that's it's going to take more than what's out there right now to get the 5805MKII out of my system.
I've tried the Onkyo 905 w/ an outboard amp and it only lasted two days before I took it out and put the 5805 back in.
Now I'm just waiting for a Bluray player that decodes DTS HD MasterAudio

dc
post #1084 of 1311
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Originally Posted by DreamCatcher View Post

It's going to be very tough "settling" for anything but the 5805 (MKII in my case).
It does SO many things so well that's it's going to take more than what's out there right now to get the 5805MKII out of my system.
I've tried the Onkyo 905 w/ an outboard amp and it only lasted two days before I took it out and put the 5805 back in.
Now I'm just waiting for a Bluray player that decodes DTS HD MasterAudio

dc

Yeah, me too. I understand that Panasonic and Marantz will be releasing Blu Ray players this year that will decode DTS Master. I would bet that there will be others as well. Can't wait!
post #1085 of 1311
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Originally Posted by DreamCatcher View Post

Players are already out that decode Dolby TureHD and are on the way that decode DTS-MasterAudio, have you considered letting the source player do the decoding work? That way you can get all the new codecs and keep your beloved 5805

btw i'm in the same boat with the same thoughts
dc

dc, can you say Denon DVD-3800BDCI? This unit is expensive but I will be willing to bet it is the best BD player by far on the market when it hits the streets.
post #1086 of 1311
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Originally Posted by VTGOLFER View Post

dc, can you say Denon DVD-3800BDCI? This unit is expensive but I will be willing to bet it is the best BD player by far on the market when it hits the streets.

Kinda wondered (though probably can no longer afford such things) whether if/when Denon ever offers their plays-everything DVD/HD/BR/SACD/DVD-Audio/etc player whether they could possibly be able to squeeze all these different new hi-def audio formats in decoded form over Denon Link (3 preferebly) [and whether that would ultimately be better/worse than HDMI 1.1]
post #1087 of 1311
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Originally Posted by VTGOLFER View Post

dc, can you say Denon DVD-3800BDCI? This unit is expensive but I will be willing to bet it is the best BD player by far on the market when it hits the streets.

Yes that new Denon Bluray player looks sweet
One thing I forgot about regarding the limits of the 5805,
may be that it can NOT receive discrete 7.1 LPCM via HDMI, which I believe DTS HD MA and Dolby TrueHD are capable of. I'm not sure of this but it makes sense because 7.1 LPCM wasn't around when it came out.
To get 7.1 LPCM you would probably have to use the 5805's 7.1 analog multichannel input, which should work just fine with the 5805's ability to apply bass management to it's multichannel input, but I'm not sure if you could apply Audyssey?

dc
post #1088 of 1311
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Originally Posted by DreamCatcher View Post

Yes that new Denon Bluray player looks sweet
One thing I forgot about regarding the limits of the 5805,
may be that it can NOT receive discrete 7.1 LPCM via HDMI, which I believe DTS HD MA and Dolby TrueHD are capable of. I'm not sure of this but it makes sense because 7.1 LPCM wasn't around when it came out.
To get 7.1 LPCM you would probably have to use the 5805's 7.1 analog multichannel input, which should work just fine with the 5805's ability to apply bass management to it's multichannel input, but I'm not sure if you could apply Audyssey?

dc

For PCM via HDMI, the original 5805 supports 5.1 channels, the MkII supports 7.1. The PDF I linked to 16 posts above points out their capabilities regarding HDMI suppport. The other difference between these two is that the MkII supports "1080p/24 & 60fps" vs "1080i" for the non-upgraded 5805.
post #1089 of 1311
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Originally Posted by fmalczewski View Post

For PCM via HDMI, the original 5805 supports 5.1 channels, the MkII supports 7.1. The PDF I linked to 16 posts above points out their capabilities regarding HDMI suppport. The other difference between these two is that the MkII supports "1080p/24 & 60fps" vs "1080i" for the non-upgraded 5805.

That is correct. I know my 5805ci supports 7.1 via HDMI. It works perfectly with my Panasonic BD player and X-Men III.

One quick question: if I allow the BD player to decode the audio and send out hi rez multi channel audio via HDMI to my 5805ci, which dacs will I be using (the players or the 5805ci's). I know I can utilize DSP and bass mgmt but not sure which dacs.

I hope that is not a stupid question but it probably is.

Here is the link: http://www.audioproducts.com.au/

Go to products and you can look up both the pre/pro and 5308ci. This is interesting. I know the pre/pro cost $1800 more than the 5308ci and some if not most could be attributed to 3 DSP's vs. 2 DSP's found in the 5308ci as well as the fully balanced design of the pre/pro. What does everyone else think? Pretty close.

I also saw where a Denon rep mentioned that the 5308ci and pre/pro will sound better than both the 4308ci and 3808ci which is understandable concerning the price differences and dacs used and more than likely the implementation of all products.
post #1090 of 1311
dc and everyone, it looks like the Denon 5308ci and the new pre/pro are pretty much identical except the pre/pro has a fully balance design. I saw something on a Austrailian site that had the pre/pro specs and the 5308ci specs and they look pretty much the same. Has anyone else come across this? Here is the link: http://www.audioproducts.com.au/
post #1091 of 1311
No, but I also think I've seen mention of a 5808 coming out somewhere along the line.
post #1092 of 1311
I did try a search, but didn't find the answer i was looking for.

Will the original Denon 5805 (not MKII/CI) pass a 1080p signal? I am aware that it will not upscale to 1080p. If my player sends the unit a 1080p HDMI signal, can i use the switching functions of the receiver?

Thank you,

Yancy
post #1093 of 1311
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Originally Posted by Yancy View Post

I did try a search, but didn't find the answer i was looking for.

Will the original Denon 5805 (not MKII/CI) pass a 1080p signal? I am aware that it will not upscale to 1080p. If my player sends the unit a 1080p HDMI signal, can i use the switching functions of the receiver?

Thank you,

Yancy

No. 1080p is not supported at all by the original 5805.

You can probably "get by" with setting your source to 1080i (although I know for a fact that the Panasonic DMP-BD10A was very stubborn about reverting back to its "Auto" setting and ending up at 1080p (due to the TV I think) the next time it was used; extremely annoying given the ordeal one has to go thru to reset it again back to 1080i if you've left a disk in it).

Pricey, but recommend getting the Mk2 update if you are going to be doing much with 1080p and want to keep your 5805. The 5805 seems to be missing things in its hardware and/or firmware that help other connected HDMI devices negotiate the proper 1080i/1080p settings.
post #1094 of 1311
I have a quick question for 5805 owners or users. I have not been in my theater for a week and my son was watching a movie the other day and when I went up there this evening I can not get the Audyssey light to light up. When I hit the EQ buttom on the remote or the Denon unit itself I get ROOM EQ or but no Audyssey no matter what I do.

I went into the set up menus and fooled around but to no avail. Can someone help me with this set up. I am sure it is pretty simple and I don't think something broke but who knows.

Thanks for the help.
post #1095 of 1311
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Originally Posted by VTGOLFER View Post

I have a quick question for 5805 owners or users. I have not been in my theater for a week and my son was watching a movie the other day and when I went up there this evening I can not get the Audyssey light to light up. When I hit the EQ buttom on the remote or the Denon unit itself I get ROOM EQ or but no Audyssey no matter what I do.

I went into the set up menus and fooled around but to no avail. Can someone help me with this set up. I am sure it is pretty simple and I don't think something broke but who knows.

Thanks for the help.

hey vtgolfer,
I think you need to go into the Auto Setup/Room EQ menu then into Parameter Check and then go down to the bottom of that menu where it says Restore and enter Yes.
That should do it.........

dc
post #1096 of 1311
dc, thanks and I will give it a shot this morning and let you know.

By the way I bought a 3 channel Acurus amp and placed it into my system with the 5805ci last night. The Acurus amp is a very nice well built amplifier. I think the bass was a little more defined if anything but hardly noticeable. After this experiment I can tell everyone the amps in the 5805 are beast. The noise floor is dead silent and they have plenty of punch. For an example when the dvd player is picked and turned on but on pause you can turn the Denon all the way up and there is dead silent.

I tried this with the Acurus last night and there was a very noticeable hum/noise coming from my front 3 speakers and no where else.

It will be interesting to see if the 5308 amps are the same but just a little less power.
post #1097 of 1311
Guys, please help me here. I've read a bunch but still don't think I have it straight with regard to blue ray players and audio formats.

5805
1. requires 7.1 analog input (decoding done by the player) and could also digitize it in the amp to add audyssey

5805 MkII
2. could use 7.1 analog input (decoding done by the player) and could also digitize it in the amp to add audyssey
3. could handle decoded PCM stream from the player but not over hdmi (because it's not 1.3 capable)? or will it?
4. will not do the decoding of TrueHD and DTS-MA no matter what in the receiver

Please help me out. Once I get this straight I will see what players will work. If I have to upgrade my 5805 I will.
post #1098 of 1311
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Originally Posted by ColorChange View Post

Guys, please help me here. I've read a bunch but still don't think I have it straight with regard to blue ray players and audio formats.

5805
1. requires 7.1 analog input (decoding done by the player) and could also digitize it in the amp to add audyssey

5805 MkII
2. could use 7.1 analog input (decoding done by the player) and could also digitize it in the amp to add audyssey
3. could handle decoded PCM stream from the player but not over hdmi (because it's not 1.3 capable)? or will it?
4. will not do the decoding of TrueHD and DTS-MA no matter what in the receiver

Please help me out. Once I get this straight I will see what players will work. If I have to upgrade my 5805 I will.

5805 (either one) will handle PCM via HDMI 1.1, which is all you need for hi-def audio formats; Mk2 will handle 7.1, the original does 5.1 only. Both should handle analog 7.1 (I use PCM, so...).

None of the 5805s will ever decode any of the hi-def unique audio formats directly, but can handle them quite well via PCM/HDMI (as per above) or analog.

(The BR player will need to get involved to decode the various hi-def audio formats before passing the either to PCM or analog, and the 5805s can handle the PCM just fine.)

Dunno much about the analog, but the Audyssey seems to be working with the PCM/HDMI.
post #1099 of 1311
FMA ... thanks,

So, if you are willing to digitize the analog in and then D-A out the audio (probably minor loss?), you can get full audio and Audyssey by getting a BR player that does analog 7.1 and you don't need to upgrade the 5805. Fine.

point 2. Now if you want to keep everything in the digital domain (preferred), you need to upgrade the 5805 to mkII but then it gets sticky. This only takes HDMI to 1.1 spec and most of the new BR players want 1.3 spec. So, what player will mate with the 5805mkII and give you full 7.1 DTS-MA across the 5805's 1.1 HDMI?

Assuming your BR player decodes and bitstreams the DTS-MA in PCM, does the PCM have to come over the HDMI or can you get it from the optical or coax inputs?

Is there any BR player currently on the market that will handle all audio in full form (not core) that a 5805mkII can handle through the HDMI?
post #1100 of 1311
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Originally Posted by ColorChange View Post

FMA ... thanks,

So, if you are willing to digitize the analog in and then D-A out the audio (probably minor loss?), you can get full audio and Audyssey by getting a BR player that does analog 7.1 and you don't need to upgrade the 5805. Fine.

point 2. Now if you want to keep everything in the digital domain (preferred), you need to upgrade the 5805 to mkII but then it gets sticky. This only takes HDMI to 1.1 spec and most of the new BR players want 1.3 spec. So, what player will mate with the 5805mkII and give you full 7.1 DTS-MA across the 5805's 1.1 HDMI?

Assuming your BR player decodes and bitstreams the DTS-MA in PCM, does the PCM have to come over the HDMI or can you get it from the optical or coax inputs?

Is there any BR player currently on the market that will handle all audio in full form (not core) that a 5805mkII can handle through the HDMI?

I'd wait for the Denon 3800BDCI.
Should be a perfect match for the 5805MKII.

dc
post #1101 of 1311
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Originally Posted by DreamCatcher View Post

I'd wait for the Denon 3800BDCI.
Should be a perfect match for the 5805MKII.

dc

Also (since I haven't followed the Denon products very closely), watch for the Panasonic DMP-DB50. It should be able to decode everything and pass it along via HDMI 1.1 (and probably analog, I fergit), and support Profile 2.0. (As I recall reading at the time when it was first announced.)

(I'm a ways off before upgrading my DMP-BD10A, though.)

Query (since I'm never probably going to get back to Denon Jeff's thread at the rate I'm going): Any chance of a perfect match with future Denon blu-ray players and DenonLink 3? Love the 5910+5805 together...
post #1102 of 1311
Thanks DC but I'm really not impressed with the price of the 3800. I'll do it if I have to, but the Pany DMP-DB50 looks really good if it can pass everything through digitally.

So I looks like I need to wait for the DB50 first and hope everything works.
post #1103 of 1311
Hello



I just purchased the AVC-A1XVA in Spain, the equivalent of the 5805-mkII in America. I´m a newbie for higher end equipment and I have two doubts about the 5805, I would appreciate any help:



- I want to setup my system 6.1 for Main Zone, stereo for Zone 2, and stereo for Zone3. But menuwise the closest you can choose is 7.1 in the Main Zone, there´s not an option for 6.1. Therefore I only have three channels left: stereo for Zone 2 and mono for Zone 3 (the rear right channel in the 7.1 configuration is not used but I cannot assign it to the Zone 3 to get stereo there). Before I made my purchase I read in a couple of store webpages that you can indeed get 6.1+2.0+2.0. Any idea wheter this can be achieved, is there a workaround to get this done?



- Every time I change the source or sometimes when I navigate through the setup menus a zapping sound emanates from the back of the unit, it lasts for about a tenth of a second. Is this normal?




Thanks in advance
post #1104 of 1311
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Originally Posted by davemath View Post

Hello



I just purchased the AVC-A1XVA in Spain, the equivalent of the 5805-mkII in America. I´m a newbie for higher end equipment and I have two doubts about the 5805, I would appreciate any help:



- I want to setup my system 6.1 for Main Zone, stereo for Zone 2, and stereo for Zone3. But menuwise the closest you can choose is 7.1 in the Main Zone, there´s not an option for 6.1. Therefore I only have three channels left: stereo for Zone 2 and mono for Zone 3 (the rear right channel in the 7.1 configuration is not used but I cannot assign it to the Zone 3 to get stereo there). Before I made my purchase I read in a couple of store webpages that you can indeed get 6.1+2.0+2.0. Any idea wheter this can be achieved, is there a workaround to get this done?



- Every time I change the source or sometimes when I navigate through the setup menus a zapping sound emanates from the back of the unit, it lasts for about a tenth of a second. Is this normal?




Thanks in advance

Zapping sound is normal. Although to me it seemed to change when I upgraded to the Mk2 it's just switching going on; I notice it most when flipping channels on my TV, it occurring each time the sound kicks in.

(I only run one zone, so can't answer your other question.)
post #1105 of 1311
Anywhere left to pick up a 5805ci?
post #1106 of 1311
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Originally Posted by shamus View Post

Anywhere left to pick up a 5805ci?

Used possibly (actually I don't really know). But I'd look at the 5308ci as a possible alternative, depending on what your needs are. A bit less power per channel and a few less channels. Even more other features, including decoding of hi-def audio bitstreams...
post #1107 of 1311
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Originally Posted by fmalczewski View Post

Used possibly (actually I don't really know). But I'd look at the 5308ci as a possible alternative, depending on what your needs are. A bit less power per channel and a few less channels. Even more other features, including decoding of hi-def audio bitstreams...

Thats out of my budget and I was hoping to get a good price on a discontinued item.
It also lacks a feature I need, being the 10 amps. I want to be able to run dual side surrounds using seperate amps as opposed to splitting the power to run them. The only new receiver that can do this is their new Pre/Pro.

My only concern is the lack of advanced decoding, but if I get a BD player that does all the decoding I should be set.
post #1108 of 1311
Im a little confused on the different versions...
Theres 3... the 5805, the 5805MKII and the 5805CI.

-Can a 5805 be updated to any of them?
-I've read that the CI is the best due to its advanced CI Auddessey, but is that anything that I can take advantage of?
-Anybody using the dual side surrounds as I described in my previous post? Will they work on all inputs? Any other thoughts?
Thanks!
post #1109 of 1311
I'm getting by pretty nicely without the advanced decoding, at Profile 1.0. Awaiting a BR player that will cover DTS HD MA as well, and may as well hold off for Profile 2. (And it will have to be excellent, but cheap; sorry Denon...)
post #1110 of 1311
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Originally Posted by shamus View Post

Im a little confused on the different versions...
Theres 3... the 5805, the 5805MKII and the 5805CI.

-Can a 5805 be updated to any of them?
-I've read that the CI is the best due to its advanced CI Auddessey, but is that anything that I can take advantage of?
-Anybody using the dual side surrounds as I described in my previous post? Will they work on all inputs? Any other thoughts?
Thanks!

You should still be able to convert a 5805 to the MkII. There was no conversion from either of those up to the CI. My MkII non-CI Audyssey is behaving itself much better than the original 5805 did, and I've been quite pleased with the MkII upgrade all in all. (My HT room is pretty crappy, so if it can make it sound decent, I can only imagine what it could do with a good room.)
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