Originally Posted by MKtheater
Actually I own the PS3. I do not own a 5805ci. I have separates right now that are not hdmi. The PS3 only can send pcm(decodes everything itself). I was looking at a used 5805ci or a new pre/pro. I know the avp is a pre/pro and that is why I asked for the amps used(because it can be any). I was referring to the people that said the upgrade to the avp(pre/pro) was great. I was just curious what the sound differences were between the 2.
The 5805 was Denon's top AV Amp before the AVP/POA. The 5308 uses a less number of power amps but they are similar to the 5805's. You should expect therefore that the 5805 sound to be similar to the 5308.
In terms of differences between the 5805 and with the AVP and separate power amps, the biggest difference is in the Power Amps where you can get high current (not just high power) amps that really give full blooded dynamics and extended bass - even with the most difficult speakers. With a power amp like the NAD Master series M25 for example, the sound is rich, clear and with a very pleasing tone. But then you can add a separate power amp to a good receiver and get the benefit.
As far as the AVP goes, it does extract a little more detail than I have heard from AV amps and it has state of the art video processing. In terms of extracting the finest details from sound tracks, the 5805 is no slouch and way better in this department than most others. That is why I have not sold mine - I am using it in another system and it blows the doors off anything near the secondhand price that I would have got for it.