Denon AVR-5805 Arrived..... - Page 41

I have not been so fortunate with 4 ohm speakers. Denon specs are quoted at 6 ohm minimum for a reason. There manual reinforces this. My centre speaker is nominal 4 ohm but drops below occasionally - It tripped the protection circuit so many times I had to interface it with a transformer to present an 8 ohm load to the amp. Most one box av solutions would be the same however.

My ultimate solution was separate power amps.

I believe Denon Jeff confirmed quite some time ago the 5805 will support up to a 3.2 ohm load. I have a buddy also with a 5805 that had some hungry Polk 4ohm rated speakers but when we researched with the manufacturer they admitted it would dip as low as 2.4ohm when driven to ref levels. He too would trip the circuit so we ended up getting him the THX system I have from Atlantic Technology which hover right around 4ohms. All is good for him now (as it is for me). Sounds thunderous with the right amount of sparkle!

I think with any box receiver you are going to have to ensure the correct match of speakers.

I wish I could be more of a help, but I dont own the 5805. Maybe it cant apply that to EXT in or maybe your not seeing all the options if your not using an on screen display?

I am a little surprised that you find that coax, optical and Denon Link to sound the same. I have always preferred Denon Link which has a vastly superior bandwidth ability than the others and uses balanced digital connection. I have used all sorts of cables - the best coax being with silver wires, but Denon Link (using a 5910ci) was still superior in terms of dynamics and detail.

In addition when using Denon Link, the amp will control the output timing of the player and eliminate the effects of jitter. This is quite noticeable with SACD and CD's. Jitter correction is not yet available with HDMI, although Pioneer is doing something about that at the moment. ( It is with compatible i-link equipment)

OK, it seems that you are trying to use analog inputs into the 5805. Can your Blu-ray player convert the lossless audio codecs into PCM? ( It should if it does it into analog),

If it does, then simply select PCM output on the Blu-ray player and select HDMI as the audio source on the 5805. The sound will be clearly superior as you will be feeding the 5805 lossless digital PCM signals which it can easily handle.

If the LFE bug is present here, then adjusting the LFE input level by +5db should solve the problem.

I dont see why the 5805 cant use all the rear options. I cant confirm cause I dont have one, but I got a feeling he cant see all the options while using the screen on the unit.

You are correct in that that all rear connections should be available. However, given that the inputs are multichannel analog, I am not sure that the 5805 can do the same level of signal processing that it does for digital sources.


Setting the HDMI output of the blu-ray player to PCM, and using HDMI as an audio source on the 5805 will give a significantly superior result. This is because the 5805's detail retrieval and sound steering accuracy combined with the dynamics and first class digital to analog conversion, is demonstrably superior to any blu-ray players' performance in the same areas.(Except for decoding HD Audio codecs to PCM). Also all the THX and matrixed modes are available using HDMI input.

What do you guys feel about the 5805 mk2 as a pre/pro vs the onkyo 885 pre/pro, or the Marantz 8003 pre/pro? Basically I will be using them for 5.1 or 7.1 PCM with THX applied.

Will boosting the LFE by +5 boost for all sources, not just the Blu Ray player?

It will boost it per input. So no, just the blu-ray player.

I have blu-ray player and hd-dvd player sharing same HDMI output to the TV, but each has a separate HDMI input (external 1 and external 2) to the receiver. Set the blu-ray one to +5, left the other flat. [Not certain if there are additional externals beyond these two that appear if additional HDMI inputs are are added, recall someone posting that this was the case.]

[And tonight added THX to the multi-channel (for me 5.1) PCM, sounded pretty decent although unfortunately was just a DD+ soundtrack].

Without a doubt, the Marantz 8003, IMO. And I am a Denon man. Firstly the Denon does not decode the new audio codecs and it is not HDMI 1.3 compliant. It also does not do video processing for HDMI.

Of the others the Marantz is newer and would not have the DTS bomb (although Onkyo's should be fixed by now). Also, the Onkyo has been reported by some owners to have sub-standard analog performance.

I purchased the marantz yesterday, I am impatient.

Okay guys, I switched the audio from EXT.1 to hdmi pcm from the Panasonic BD 10A and boosted the LFE to +5 on that input only (thanks for the advice). I was concerned with the LFE, but it seems to be the equal to what the analog outs were. The surround sound is definitely more engaging and lively. I'm very pleased with it.

I'm still a bit confused on the surround back speakers. I set them to IIx which works for the DD True HD track. However, when I hit the THX button on the remote to change them to THX processing it changed the signal from Multi In to THX Surround EX (as shown on the receiver). Does that mean that I just went from the DD True HD track to the DD track? I had to hit "standard" on the remoe for it to return to "multi". Right now, using the DD 5.1 True HD track on "Twister" the receiver shows as follows :

"Multi In + PLIIx C".

fmalczewski, when you changed to THX procesing on the DD+ track you were watching what processing did your receiver show? I assume you are using the hdmi pcm signal?

I recall it said something like "Multi In 5.1 + THX". [I just run a 5.1 setup with the 5 speakers bi-amped, so have not bothered with trying a 7.1 setup.]
[Wonder if bi-amping would alleviate some of the 4 ohm and below issues that have been mentioned recently...]

Today watching a regular DD DVD, I think it may still have said the same thing, but this latter was using the HD-DVD player. My normal DVD players would just make it show THX 5.1 (one is DenonLink, one is coax), regardless of whether DD or DTS is selected (the correct soundtrack is played, I definitely prefer DTS whenever that option is provided - those early James Bond DVDs are surprisingly well done (6 down, 14 to go), sonically; hi-def is giving me second thoughts about DVD PQ (at least for #6, which I recently watched...).

Will do a little research tonight and try a few different disks and different soundtrack encodings (via Blu-Ray, HD-DVD).

Don't play much with the settings anymore, but pretty sure I always use Direct (DRCT) for all the different disk players (and my other inputs too), changing to Stereo (ST) or Standard (STD) from time to time. Mostly was using this because of my Denon/DenonLink DVD setup, but also now for the multichannel PCM. So... try DRCT and THX, would be my suggestion; think you might be using STD. [A rather unfortunate abbreviation...]

I'm glad that that worked out for you. However, it didn't for me. Much depends upon how low the speaker's impedance actually drops and the overall current draw on the amplifier. A couple of times when high volume passages were being played in my setup, the protection circuits tripped.( I was using 9 of the 10 power amplifiers at once). I can only surmise that my speakers (one in particular) drew more current than the specs allowed at that volume level. I ended up using a balancing transformer to present an 8 ohm load to the Denon.

A check of the Denon Manual indicated that this could be expected under certain circumstances when using speakers with less than 6 ohms. Denon does not guarantee performance for less than 6 ohms, although in most cases it is OK. The 5805, is however, better than other AVR's in this area.

When the source is 5.1 PCM, the amp will show Multi + PL11x C - this means that the amp is creating 2 extra channels from the surround PCM tracks using the PL11x system.

Finally I had found by using THX with the surround back engaged always gives the best results in my setup.

Now, when you hit the THX button, the amp will still create a 7.1 sound field from the 5.1 source but displays it as DD EX, which simply describes the method it uses of creating the matrixed surround back channels, but with THX processing.

If you play a disc encoded with 7.1 channels of PCM (such as 3:10 to Yuma, and the Bank Job) , it will show Multi + THX, because it does not have to add 2 extra channels.

You guys gotta try ultra2 THX... trust me! I use the 5308, but I think it will work for you guys...

Goto surround mode and switch it to Home THX Cinema and than in SB channel, switch it to ultra2 cinema.
Regarding DD EX and DTS ES... Thats mono rears (ultra2 is stereo), but THX will always revert to that if it catches the flag... but there is a way around. Switch AFDM to OFF (this is the auto flag feature). You will not lose any info and you will now have stereo rears.
This is how it works on my 5308, so give it a try!

One other thing I noticed last night was that I'd set everything coming from the BD10A to PCM (on the BD10A), so was always getting "MCH 5.1 + THX" on the 5805's display.

Recall reading that this would keep the BD10A' s LFE issue tamed consistently across the various soundtrack encodings, i.e., adjusting the 5805 to include a +5dB bump would apply across the board regardless of what type of soundtrack was on the blu-ray disk.

Thanks Shamus - that is the same setting that I use on my AVP-A1HD. However I think for the 5805 you would have to turn "Auto Surround" off - it doesn't have ADFM on/off as such.

Engaging "THX" and then "Cine" via the remote, will also give THX Ultra 2 cinema processing

Thanks to all (Shamus, Tassop, etc) for your input. Trying to stay on top of the new audio codecs and how the receiver handles them has been quite confusing. I got it now - I think. Bob

Hi Guys,

I have finally took the plunge and bought a couple of power amps to use with my integra 9.8(this will be a denon avp soon). The amps I have purchased are emotiva-mp2, 2 crown xls 402s for my mains and surround back speakers.

I am now selling the Denon AVR-5805 because of the upgrade, if your interested or know anyone that is interested, please give me a call at 203-249-8131 or email me at taurean.dennis@gmail.com.

Here is the listing
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=320288258809

Fellow 5805 Owners,

I own this beast and will probably never upgrade! It has so many features that i haven't even touched on yet. However, it's a bit dainting in function for my fairly complicated install. I thought you 5805 experts out there could help me do something that I'm finding challenging, but I'm sure there's a way my trusty 5805 can handle it!

Ok, it's complicated, so I'll start by listing the specific facts of my install:

1. VISTA ULTIMATE HTPC - Our HTPC is the sole source in our system for now. Unfortunalley, Vista can only output either anlaog or digital sound, but not both at the same time. Ours is set to digital of course in order for Media Center Edition to record video/sound from any of the two DTV and two Analog tuners.
2. ZONE 1 - Zone 1 is a 5.1 sound system using 5 amps with a Plasma Monitor.
3. ZONE 2 - Zone 2 is a stereo sound system using 2 amps with a Plasma Monitor.
4. ZONE 3 - Zone 3 is a stereo sound system using 2 amps and no monitor.
5. KITCHEN MONITOR - The Kitchen has a monitor that has video and stereo analog connections. The video is dubbed from HTPC using a powered video splitter, the analog sound is the problem since Vista cannot output both analog and digital at the same time.

One challenge of this setup is that I get NO SOUND FROM ZONE 3. Strangely, Zone 2 does get sound. Perhaps the Denon does a D/A conversion for Zone 2, but not Zone 3?

Another problem which I have overcome for now is how to get sound to the Kitchen Monitor since the HTPC does not out anything from its analog output. I have the Denon do this by connecting the HPTC analog output of the DENON and setting the "Zone 3/4/Recout SEL" to RECOUT-SOURCE, ie HTPC.

With all this in mind, is there a way to get sound to Zone 3?

you can output digital sound to zone 2 but not 3 and 4. It must be a analog sound. GEta pc that outputs. I have a gateway for music only but it outputs both. I dont thonk its a vista thing I think its a sound card setting

also swap zone 3 for zone 4 you can run out line to the tv and get spund from the speakers of the tv

RacerChris,

I think your Zone 3 sound issue may be caused by running RECOUT - source. My recollection is that Zone 3 and RECOUT can't be used simultaneously - if RECOUT is on you will get a picture but no sound from the Zone 3 analog audio output.

Give it a shot...

Mike

Getting a really good price and it will have the full manufacturers warranty.

I've been trying to read up on the upgrade(s) offered but can't get the info off the Denon site since I don't have serial number to plug in yet and don't have time to go through the entire thread from the last few years so was wondering if someone could briefly tell me what update/upgrades are available, what they do and which ones cost and/or require the unit being sent to Denon.
Thanks in advance for any help.

Initially there was a free firmware upgrade for the 5805 that gave you an improved (less buggy) Audyssey. The original Audyssey had at least one problem with the high end so that it ended up (way) too bright (imho). It was a firmware update that you applied via a PC. (Tried it once, but didn't quite figure out how to get it to work, and never quite got around again to actually intstaling it) Certain later manufactured 5805s already had this, so this was just a catch-up for the rest of us.

There allegedly was a 5805 firmware upgrade that cost $300 that gave you just the internet radio and maybe one or two other internet things. Don't recall anyone getting that particular upgrade.

There is/was a big hardware upgrade from 5805 to 5805MkII, which cost $1000 to do. It gave you 7.1 PCM HDMI and 1080p (including 1080p/24), and internet radio, along with analog to hdmi conversion and 2 more hdmi inputs (I did this a year ago and it was worth every penny.) The only two visible differences between the two is a "1080P Upscaling" sticker on the front and 5 instead of 3 HDMI inputs on the back.

Then there was the 5805ci version that was the end of the line. You can't go from the 5805 or 5805MkII to the 5805 ci via an upgrade. It gave you a more sophisticated version of Audyssey; whether you would be able to appreciate it without the help of an installer, dunno. Looks like maybe also allows browser access via the internet.

So depending on which version you get, highly recommend the MkII upgrade if you get a plain 5805. If you get a MkII or a ci, you are as far as you can go upgrade-wise, and should be in great shape.

Great ... exactly the info I was looking for. Thanks a lot!

I did the Mk II upgrade last year as well - it gives you both the HDMI/1080P/7.1ch LPCM capabilities and the ethernet/internet radio/network MP3 play upgrades. I tried the internet radio and MP3 player capabilities - they work fine, but didn't keep using them as I had standalone boxes that had better menus and more sophisticated playlist and song selection options.

Other than the HDMI/1080p/LPCM additions, the best thing about the upgrade is being able to set up and control the receiver using a computer over ethernet. The upgrade lets the receiver show up as an audio device on your network - right click on it, select "open device webpage", and you can run almost all of the setup functions and turn on, off, select sources and surround modes, and adjust/mute volumes for all four zones. I use this functionality a lot to play music or watch TV in my office.

I agree with the earlier post - the upgrade is worth the money, and if you are given the choice between the 5805, 5805 Mk II, and the 5805ci, get the Mk II or the ci version.

Hope this helps...

Cheers,

Mike

Had a 5910ci for the longest time, I came across a used 5805 Mk1 in good condition and price so I picked it up..Read throught the pages but have a few questions:

1) The Denon link was easy to configure, I could pass CD/DD/DTS throuhg it but not SACD, I thought 5805 and 5910ci are DL3 and should pass SACD, please advise what I might have missed in getting this to work. BTW, DL3 sounds better then co-axial for my ears... Have not gotten around to compare the Analog outs on the 5910ci vs. DL3 into the 5805.. Have a hunch that analog cables can be used as a tuning device though.

2) I am using the 5805 in 5.1 mode bi-amped driving B&W Nautilus 803/HTM1/SCM1/ASW4000.. The channels are dead quite except for the ASW4000 with a faint radio station pick-up.. i.e. I can hear the radio.. Anyone got any ideas how to get rid of it??

3) My display indicates that I am using multi-zone but I ain't..Anyway to configure thr 5805 to shut-down all 3 multi-zones??

4) I lost my genuine Dl3 cable and am using a .50 cent cat5 cable, I have experienced 0.5s drop-outs on DVDs and CDs. The display blinks and then everything is normal... Do u think its the inferior cable or something else??

5) I listen to CDs at -20db, DVD concerts at -16db but see movies at -8db.. Is that normal???

6) I know there is a huge audyssey thread here, I haven't done it.. Are there any 5805 specific issues that I should be aware of before attempting?? My set-up is currently all small speakers set to 60hz and LFE=THX.. g

7) I have a 1st Gen Sony BDP-S1 blu-ray player that I want to connect to Ext 1 or Ext 2.. Does anybody know if I need to increase the LFE?? i.e. LFE bug?? I plan on digitizing the signal so that I can fine-tune the delay/levels for the BDP-S1 as it lacks it.. Or should I in the future plan for a Denon 3800 which has all those features built in and I can save the additional step of A/D then D/A conversion on the 5805

Tons of questions, Many many thankx in advance.