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post #91 of 942
Well, I see I have sort of confused that. The 4228 is a UHF antenna, and can pick up both analog and digital UHF signals, but you are going to be feeding that antenna into an STB that is for decoding digital signals, not analog signals.
HDTV is digital. Satellite is digital.
The old TV has an analog tuner, so if you feed that antenna directly into an analog TV (the standard NTSC broadcasts) yes, you can see a UHF analog station is NTSC. What you are trying to get is the digital feed from stations to put into your digital tuner to feed into your digital TV.
post #92 of 942
To further muddy it up, some HDTVs have an ANTENNA IN connection direct from an antenna, and also have an analog tuner for standard NTSC feeds.
But I thought this was all about getting HDTV. that has to go through an HDTV STB into an HDTV ready TV. I don't know if I'm clarifying or confusing the issue.. Hey, I know what I mean, God knows what I mean, but for anyone else, I'm not so sure anymore.....
post #93 of 942
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Originally posted by j_buckingham80

Hey Rick, What did AntennaWeb say you could get? My father's house near Oak Grove & Ygnacio pretty much says he can't get any DTV, but I'm sure he'd be interested to find out he actually could from Sacto.

Antennaweb said I would get one (1) digital station (SAH) out of Stockton. Which would mean I would be pointing the antenna at the North Peak of Mt. Diablo?? The results were a nice surprise. For your dad, I guess it matters how close he is to Lime Ridge. I'm over by Larkey Park and seem to be aiming out Treat Blvd.
post #94 of 942
Walnut Grove isn't just one tower like Sutro, there are five, four of which have DT as well as analog TV tramissions, and those are spread out over several miles. Look at: www.choisser.com/walnutgrove.html to see what is where. This makes getting reflections a little more tricky. But close proximity to a ridge is what shot down Walnut Grove for me.

Sutro tower has a cluster of analog and FM antennas above level 6 (everything above the top horizontal framing member, and all the digital TV antennas below that level, right down the center, towards the "waist of the structure. Picture of what's where on Sutro is at http://home.pacbell.net/ray2288/antennas.pdf
That's why when folks think if they can just see the very tip of Sutro they they can get digital, but might not be able to afterall, unless they can get a good reflection from something in between.
By now, even I am getting tired of my posts and my kisser next to them.
post #95 of 942
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Originally posted by Bill Shakespeare
Your HOA really cannot keep you from mounting an antenna in your airspace. Check this thread. The FCC rules are linked in the Scooper's signature line, or can be read here.

How about how many and in which locations?
post #96 of 942
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Originally posted by rickmccamy
Antennaweb said I would get one (1) digital station (SAH) out of Stockton. Which would mean I would be pointing the antenna at the North Peak of Mt. Diablo?? The results were a nice surprise. For your dad, I guess it matters how close he is to Lime Ridge. I'm over by Larkey Park and seem to be aiming out Treat Blvd.

Would this be too the same aim for me from Bancroft village? Also what TV do you have?
post #97 of 942
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Originally posted by kaduku
Would this be too the same aim for me from Bancroft village? Also what TV do you have?

Yes, virtually the same heading, especially with Walnut Grove towers spread out over a large area.
Now another DirecTV based issue comes up. The newest D* receiver RCA DTC 210 is exhibiting problems. It sometimes blackouts and locks up while receiving OTA, needing to be re-booted.
Here's a link to the thread in hardware where it's being discussed. Ah, technology.
The good news, I'm thrilled with my set-up, hard to imagine the pq being better than it was, but it is on OTA.

p.s. my TV is a Phillips 34pw9819, (CRT)

p.p.s. I got us a flag.
post #98 of 942
I received a very interesting letter from the FCC........

Thank you for contacting the Federal Communications Commission.

The eligibility of a satellite TV subscriber to receive distant (NY/LA)
networks (whether analog or HD) is governed by a federal law and the law
does not grant the FCC to exercise discretion in this area.

In 1999, the Satellite Home Viewer Improvement Act (SHVIA) became law.
Among other things, the SHVIA authorized satellite TV companies to
provide local TV stations in areas where the company wished to do so.
The SHVIA also clarified that satellite TV subscribers were not eligible
to receive distant TV networks unless the local network affiliate did
not provide an adequate over-the-air signal to the subscriber's
location. In this regard, the SHVIA stated that a subscriber was
eligible to receive distant TV networks if the local network affiliates
did not provide a Grade B or better TV signal that the subscriber could
receive when using a conventional over-the-air roof antenna. (The
subscriber's ability to subscribe to cable TV service is not relevant).
In general, subscribers are required to obtain a waiver from the local
network affiliate prior to receiving a distant network. The waiver
indicates that the local station agrees that the subscriber cannot
receive at least Grade B local signal and authorizes the satellite
company to provide a distant network signal to that subscriber. The
SHVIA does not authorize the FCC to intervene if the local TV station
denies the waiver request.

Of particular interest to you, the SHVIA did not specifically address
whether subscribers were eligible to receive waivers for the sole
purpose of receiving a distant HD signal and did not authorize the FCC
to take any action on this issue. The U.S. Copyright Office, however,
expressed the opinion that the waiver process did not apply to distant
HD signals. (The U.S. Copyright Office is authorized to enforce certain
aspects of the SHVIA). Thus, federal law does not authorize the FCC to
require that satellite TV subscribers purchase local TV signals in order
to obtain distant analog or HD network signals.

A recent federal law, however, appears to address your HD concerns. On
December 8, 2004, the Satellite Home Viewer Extension and
Reauthorization Act of 2004 ("SHVERA") was enacted as part of the
Consolidated FY 2005 Appropriations Act (P.L. 108-447). The SHVERA
modified the SHVIA and made significant reforms regarding the ability of
satellite television subscribers to receive local and distant broadcast
network programming. Among other things, the SHVERA generally
authorizes satellite television carriers to provide distant digital
broadcast network signals to subscribers if certain conditions are
satisfied. For example, pursuant to the SHVERA, a subscriber generally
is eligible to receive the digital signal of a distant network station
if: (1) the subscriber is located outside of the predicted coverage
area of the analog signal of a local station affiliated with that
network; (2) the subscriber is "unserved", i.e., cannot receive, through
the use of a conventional, stationary, outdoor roof antenna, an
over-the-air network of at least Grade B intensity as defined by the
Commission; or (3) a signal test demonstrates that the subscriber cannot
receive a local digital signal that exceeds the signal intensity
standard as defined by the Commission. It should be noted, however,
that the test procedures for digital service established by the SHVERA
do not become effective until April 30, 2006 for local stations in the
top-100 television markets, and for local stations that are not within
the top-100 television markets, the test criteria will be effective on
July 15, 2007.

Based on the above, whether a satellite company offers local TV stations
in the area and whether a subscriber purchases the local channels is not
relevant to the subscriber's eligibility to receive distant HD
programming.

After much review of the SHVERA, Commission staff has opened a
proceeding and released a Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM). For
information concerning this proceeding please visit this website:
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...-256592A1.pdf.
post #99 of 942
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Originally posted by AzDave
I received a very interesting letter from the FCC........

(3) a signal test demonstrates that the subscriber cannot
receive a local digital signal that exceeds the signal intensity
standard as defined by the Commission.

Based on the above, whether a satellite company offers local TV stations in the area and whether a subscriber purchases the local channels is not relevant to the subscriber's eligibility to receive distant HD programming.

After much review of the SHVERA, Commission staff has opened a proceeding and released a Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM). For information concerning this proceeding please visit this website:
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...-256592A1.pdf.

Damn Tootin! Now that's a good one to include in my next package to D*'s Legal Counsel! This is an important piece of work,Dave, good job!
D* are such lying pr**ks, they are the model for the modern Ma Bell.
We will make them change, with documents like these!
post #100 of 942
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Originally posted by rickmccamy
Damn Tootin! Now that's a good one to include in my next package to D*'s Legal Counsel! This is an important piece of work,Dave, good job!
D* are such lying pr**ks, they are the model for the modern Ma Bell.
We will make them change, with documents like these!

I've been waiting to hear from you.

Listen..we're slowly winning but we have to keep fighting. That means everyone.

Use this letter to contact Direct TV and tell them they are lieing becasue they are already providing HD only distants to O&O'S THIS IS CONSUMER FRAUD!

The FCC is putting the onus back on Direct TV. lets' not forget that there is no law stating that they have to provide us distants at all let alone HD. But the battle now is the fact they are providing it to O&O customers and somehow they can't to us. This is bogus bullsh*t.

I believe Direct TV's original plight was real. But the fighting is starting to win. Direct TV now is trying to delay until they can put up the "Master Plan" 1500 LIL's in HDTV.

They are appeasing the networks and costing us our HDTV now, while trying to crush Dish at our expense...(uhh no thank you) that's the jist of it now anyway.
post #101 of 942
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Quote:
Originally posted by AzDave
I've been waiting to hear from you.


Use this letter to contact Direct TV and tell them they are lieing becasue they are already providing HD only distants to O&O'S THIS IS CONSUMER FRAUD!
They are appeasing the networks and costing us our HDTV now.



I've already printed up 10 copies on Word and am putting together the packages!!!!!!!!!!


We can do this! Or we show D* for what they truly are. Have you seen "John Grisham's The Rainmaker" ? The insurance company!
post #102 of 942
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Ahoy ussvalor how's your dish??
post #103 of 942
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Originally posted by vanhorst
The fact that you were able to get much of anything analog is a fluke. . Your settop box is for digital reception, such as you get from
satellites or the digital elements on a TV tower. But I digress.....don't I...


Now, I understand where the confusion came from. The new D* STB's, the RCA DTC 210 also has an analog tuner. That allowed me to hunt for the signal aiming at an analog UHF station, when I found it, then I scanned for digital signals. In the on screen menu for the 210 it asks whether to scan for analog or digital. We all digress.....don't we....that's why we're here.
post #104 of 942
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Originally posted by rickmccamy
I've already printed up 10 copies on Word and am putting together the packages!!!!!!!!!!


We can do this! Or we show D* for what they truly are. Have you seen "John Grisham's The Rainmaker" ? The insurance company!

I just wanted to inform everyone here that I got a call from the FCC and the girl on the phone went over all my complaints and we basically verified I'm screwed. When I' mentioned the letter she said that the information was wrong.

I extremely apologize that I got misinformed by the FCC..Phuck!
post #105 of 942
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Exactly WHAT do you mean wrong????
They called you? Why? You kept poking them with a stick till they bit back! Now, a woman from the FCC called you to tell you the other information the FCC gave out is wrong??? They called you??? The information you received was a pretty good match for what I received from the FCC, I choose to believe the emails that favor our position, why not?
You need to learn to stop asking questions when you get the answers you want, and go with them. In all their statements the FCC said they could be no help with waivers, but this was their take on the law. It seemed like you expected them to make a ruling to bail us out. You need to take those FCC statements and make D* correct its behavior. In the end D* makes its own business decisions and may or may not accept my waivers, they have that right. I want to know why they are so underhanded in their dealings with the waiver process.
You did receive that statement from the FCC didn't you? (Frank's Corner Cafeteria)
That is a written statement, it makes similar points to the written statement I received from the FCC, I did not hear any of this phone call and it will not change my course.
The statements made by the FCC have been corroborated by D*when they stonewall us by saying that it is not SHVA or the FCC but software problems that keep us from receiving HD DNS.
This morning I mailed both FCC replies, both my waivers, and a harsh cover letter to D* LA Corporate offices. Should know more by Tuesday. This statement is not incorrect, there are people getting waivers accepted by D*.
Now, do you mean incorrect because you read in to it that you didn't need waivers if you fit one of the three categories? I never quite accepted that idea, you are always going to need the locals permission even if you can't get their signal.
post #106 of 942
Well, I tried the antenna route and have failed Thanks Rick for your help, but it's back to the waiver thing again.

BTW, Rick I like your icon!!!!!!
post #107 of 942
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Originally posted by kaduku
Well, I tried the antenna route and have failed Thanks Rick for your help, but it's back to the waiver thing again.

BTW, Rick I like your icon!!!!!!

Thanks, adapted it from the city's logo, cool, huh.

As for OTA, sorry about that, but I'm very lucky. I'm probably 30' to 40' higher than you are, and the bowl that I'm in is not as deep as I previously estimated. My antenna is 17' of the ground and the rise 1/4 mile away between me and Walnut Grove is probably 15', these signals are literally skimming the ground to get to me.
post #108 of 942
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Originally posted by rickmccamy
Okay, we have our own thread. We are to deal with Walnut Creek's unique HDTV problems. Comcast's inability to provide an HD signal

The consortium of cities (including Walnut Creek) has come to a verbal agreement with Comcast that should provide the framework for a new 15-year agreement. Comcast says that once its permits are approved, it can have workers in Walnut Creek upgrading the system (and tearing up the streets) within a week, and have Walnut Creek upgraded within six months.

Here's a link:
http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/...s/10989098.htm

The snag? Walnut Creek doesn't want to issue the permits until the contract is finalized (probably sometime after May 20th), but Comcast doesn't want them to wait. So Comcast is suing Walnut Creek to get the permits approved.

Link:
http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/...s/10998917.htm

I understand that Walnut Creek's leverage is the upgrade (after which, I doubt a giant like Comcast would care too much about us), but as a apartment dweller who doesn't get Astound; can't get any of the dish networks because of trees and buildings; and can't get OTA because I live inWalnut Creek, I'd rather look forward to having HDTV in August rather than December.

Still, on this front, any news is good news.

Edit -- Sorry, my second link was the same as the first! I've now replaced it with the link I meant to post.
post #109 of 942
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Originally posted by elicross
Still, on this front, any news is good news.

ABSOLUTELY!
OK, too many posts by me on this page where, did everybody go?
So It is now Monday night and I kind of expected to hear from D* by e-mail today. Several pages of waivers, cover letters, FCC statements and little pebbles and rat teeth should be on the desks of the President, General Legal Counsel, and customer service. Just kidding about the pebbles and teeth. I'll keep everybody posted.

RELATED POST IN S.F. COMCAST BY KEENAN ON COMCASTS SUIT AGAINST WALNUT CREEK Check it out
post #110 of 942
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Originally posted by rickmccamy


OK, too many posts by me on this page where, did everybody go?


I'm still here Rick. Good to hear that you're still after D*, even though you have the OTA thing already. Oops! did I spill the beans

It's good news that SOME progress has been made with Comcast. Looks like we will have more options by the end of the year.
post #111 of 942
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Very interesting Email from DirecTV today, details must remain hush hush overnight, may be major breakthrough. More tomorrow.
post #112 of 942
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Originally posted by rickmccamy
Very interesting Email from DirecTV today, details must remain hush hush overnight, may be major breakthrough. More tomorrow.

Thanks alot Rick for the suspense. You're killing me man! Keep us posted
post #113 of 942
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DirecTV ACCEPTED my waivers today!! I went National with this check it out on my new thread!
HOORAY!!
post #114 of 942
Congrats BUD!!!!
post #115 of 942
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Well, it's been a couple of very busy days down at Post Shevra Waivers accepted by DirecTV . People wanted me to send them copies of this and send them copies of that. Hey have you heard of cut and paste? And does this person have an email, what is there address, phone number. Sorry, I'm not putting some poor schmo's phone number on the Internet, even if they are from D*. I worked on this for 2 months ignoring rejection and those who said see they aren't doing waivers. There aren't any shortcuts. Everybody wants an email response today, well hey there's 1200 other people with the same issues in his in box with you.

HEY kaduku- my D*stb the RCA DTC 210 gave me problems accepting FOXHD; programming package says I have it, CSR says I have it, nothing there. NBCHD came right through, d* is fedexing new access card, reboot.
post #116 of 942
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Originally posted by rickmccamy
Well, it's been a couple of very busy days down at Post Shevra Waivers accepted by DirecTV . People wanted me to send them copies of this and send them copies of that. Hey have you heard of cut and paste? And does this person have an email, what is there address, phone number. Sorry, I'm not putting some poor schmo's phone number on the Internet, even if they are from D*. I worked on this for 2 months ignoring rejection and those who said see they aren't doing waivers. There aren't any shortcuts. Everybody wants an email response today, well hey there's 1200 other people with the same issues in his in box with you.

HEY kaduku- my D*stb the RCA DTC 210 gave me problems accepting FOXHD; programming package says I have it, CSR says I have it, nothing there. NBCHD came right through, d* is fedexing new access card, reboot.

Rick,
Just got home, will check if I have Fox HD now. I, agree that you should not give out numbers or emails and that everyone should work hard at it like you and I did Not being stingy here!!!
post #117 of 942
That's right folks, I'm in HD heaven. Well, almost, I'm still waiting for a NBC waiver then I will be complete. Can't wait to see American Idol next week

Rick,
I think you created a monster at that thread you started. Everyone wanting something for no work at all. Thanks for your guidance man! I owe you a beer. Heck, make that two beers.
post #118 of 942
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Originally posted by rickmccamy
I live in the hdtv blackhole of Walnut Creek. Comcast's inability to provide HD signal, Costal Range interference with OTA, and San Francisco and Sacramento both demanding waivers from Direct. Very interested in your success with OTA and wondering about your elevation and sight lines. I am currently waiting on waiver requests from Sacrmento's NBC & ABC (CBS is O&O) and Oakland's FOX. Still, June is a long time to wait to see "Enterprise" in hd.

And that was only 5 weeks ago! Man, now we find OTA in 2 different directions, W.C.er's happy with Astound, Comcast suing the City of Walnut Creek to speed up the rebuilding process, and a few of us on a first name basis with upper level management at DirecTV. Sometimes the easiest way to get the Walnuts is to shake the tree!! Think I'll watch some HDTV now.
post #119 of 942
Not all of us W.C.ers are in HD heaven yet. After buying the best receiver on the market and as big an indoor antenna as my apartment can hold, I'm still only receiving a couple of Spanish language DTV stations. (I don't get astound in my complex, and there's obstacles between me and the satellites.)

So I can only hope that Comcast sues the crap out of my home town so they can finally tear up the streets.

Bah-humbug! I guess I'll put Master and Commander on the DVHS and turn cynical. Grumble, grumble...
post #120 of 942
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Originally posted by elicross
Not all of us W.C.ers are in HD heaven yet. After buying the best receiver on the market and as big an indoor antenna as my apartment can hold, I'm still only receiving a couple of Spanish language DTV stations. (I don't get astound in my complex, and there's obstacles between me and the satellites.)

So I can only hope that Comcast sues the crap out of my home town so they can finally tear up the streets.

Bah-humbug! I guess I'll put Master and Commander on the DVHS and turn cynical. Grumble, grumble...

Which are you aiming, Sacto or SF?
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