Toshiba TDPMT700 - Page 12

Before I bought the PJ I e-mailed the German Toshiba website b/c they had info on the PJ, and they sent me a pdf of the manual. I tried to link it but it is 1.5Mb so I could not.

If there is someone that can do something w/ it, I will be happy to send it.

So how noticeable are the green worms (also at what size screen and what brightness level)? I have a 56" DL RP with 6 segs and although many have said they see worms I haven't -- I assume on a bigger screen they are more apparrent.

Thanks Mike, I'll contact you before I buy.

PaulKahlon -- Thanks for the offer. I sent you a PM with my email address. You won't have any problem there (plenty of room in my mailbox).

PaulK you have PM!

Thanks,
TJ

So if costs were the same which would you choose? The MT800 / 7205 is about a year old now. The MT700 appears to a huge amount quieter. Are there any other advantages why someone would want a MT700 over the MT800 though? Some improvements had to have been made (over then lower an noise) that make the choice less clear between the MT700 and MR800 or other being noiser is the MT800 clearly better in every way?

If the throw and the noise work for you, then the 7205/MT800 probably throws a better image. If they were exactly the same price I'd get the 7205. If it was $1000-$1500 more, I'd go with the MT700 and put the difference in my piggy bank for a 1080p DLP. Note I have not actually seen the 7205 - this is just based on reviews and Infocus' reputation. Check out www.ecoustics.com for reviews.

Sitting 1.5x back from the screen width I can't see green worms, even before my ND2 filter. I can see them in the 1.0x range. Assuming you have brightness set correctly, the worry of green worms at normal viewing distances seems a little overblown to me.

After a couple nights watching with a Hoya ND2 HMC filter, I think it may be the best $40 I've spent in HT. Assuming the MT700 puts out around 700-800 lumens (who knows?), then I'm now right around 12ftL, the brightness of a standard movie.

At this brightness level everything seems much more movie-like. Both the 4805 and MT700 had much better black level than my PLV-Z1. I thought both DLP's black levels were pretty good, though I was aware that full black looked dark grey. Now for the first time with digital pj black actually looks black to me (compared against my CRT HD RPTV).

I also think I'm seeing fewer MPEG artifacts. My white room is significantly less lit up now as well, which seems to improve darker scenes. I still need to do some AB/ing on test scenes with and without the filter to better describe all the improvements.

BTW, a watershed moment for me: my wife says to kids, "Tonight after you go to sleep, Daddy and I are going up to watch the projector." This is the first time it was her idea. She's one those "people" who would be happy with a 5" screen 15' away. Sadly she still could care less about anything HT related. She just likes how the MT700's throw has allowed me to improve the room layout.

Ok, it's late, but I can't seem to tear myself out of this chair. I've been playing with my new toy for about two hours now (thanks Mike!). Right now I'm feeding SD from my sat receiver and letting the de-interlacer do its thing. So far I'm very happy with the 700. Except for bumping the sharpness up a couple of notches, I have done zero for calibration so it should only get better from here.

I've auditioned DLP a number of times and have never seen rainbows. I don't think I'm sensitive to them. For me, so far no problem with rainbows on the 700. I have to confess I'm not up to speed on what green worms are, so we'll go with ignorance is bliss and say no problem there too.

The short throw of the projector works well for me. It's also plenty bright. In fact, when all is said and done I may have to follow FG's lead and add a filter to knock the light back a little. We'll see once I get my screen up and get the PJ adjusted.

Overall I think I made a good choice for a first projector. I'm gonna enjoy it.

I'm glad to read that Benchobi. I'm on the fence right now. I'll either get the Panasonic AE700 or spend an extra 2000$ CDN for this one. Decisions... decisions... God help me.

I'll use mine mainly for gaming (Xbox/Gamecube), you wouldn't happen to be a gamer as well and tell me what kind of results you get?

I've posted the owner's manual for download on my website. Here's a link to the manual. Just right-click and save: MT700 Owner's Manual

Thanks to PaulKahlon for providing the manual.

Anybody using an upconverting DVD player like the Zenith DVB318 through HDMI and know how good it looks? I have that dvd player and want to feed 1080i through HDMI once I get it and was interested in the quality of the image. Hopefully in mid May I can have the Toshiba in house, I am really pumped about going from a dinky X1 up to a full HD projector.

What the hell is going on here!!!!

Did I miss something here? I am looking through the MT700's manual and I come upon a frontal shot of the MT700 on page 21. And right on the front of this shot is the lable that says BenQ!!?? It clearly isn't the same projector but isn't that a bit funny? Did Toshiba OEM the MT700 from BenQ?

It's been widely discussed since both models were announced and shown at CES. So yes, apparently Benq manufactures both projectors. And I've a feeling that the Benq will be discussed a lot on the over $3500 forum while the MT700 will be overlooked.

Edit: I just looked at page 21 and there it is. It's a picture of the Benq model , not the Toshiba. That's pretty funny.

AMaench- a DVI upconverting player is the way to go- just be sure and set it for 720 output- the native res of the projector.

MikeSRC:

Thanks for the manual.

Can one of you lucky guys who has one of these units check to see if the vertical position (in the display menu) is adjustable through HDMI or component? The manual is a bit contradictory on this. It's a feature that I need.

Thanks,
Pip

1) First of all to all the people here giving good links and info for projector mounts: THANKS!

2)CT_Wiebe, you wrote:
>>That's awfully low for a screen. The "ideal" is supposed to be 1/3rd of the screen height from the bottom
I think you are right, my mistake, 1/3 is much better, thanks!

>>In my setup, my screen bottom is at the same height as my eyeballs
Yeah I have done that 3 years ago, since the screen was also too close, my neck still aches thinking about it

>>You could put the PJ on a low table, too.
Since I do not have a hollow (wooden)floor but concrete, I find all the cables running to the center of the room (where the table should reside) such a mess.

Wall mount is due to roomsize also not an option. I am going for a ceilingmount but will probably build my own (with the given links as examples) since I also want to fit my ISCOII anamorphic lens on it for 1:2.35 source. I hope the zoom on the Toshiba is large enough for this so I can fix the projector position.

The manual was supplied by Toshiba in Germany, so it's a prerelease version and is not exactly the same as the U.S. manual. It's all that's available in PDF form for now. The manual that comes with the MT700 actually has a few more pages and some slight differences in the text (as well as having the proper picture ).

I know it would be the native of the projector but wouldn't I get more lines and little better picture if I fed it 1080i? Sure its not native but I am craming more lines into the same space which i think would look really good, or would the native image be spot on for pixels and bring it out that much more?

Mr.Green asked:


Absolutely. That's one reason I chose DLP. I spent all day building a Parkland screen and just played about 30 mins of XBox through component. Results were certainly acceptable to me! Keep in mind this is my first projector so I don't have anything else to compare to except my old RPTV.

Pip asked:


Wish I could help but I don't have the right cables to hook a PC to the PJ. The manual says this option is only available when a PC signal is selected.

The projector will only show 720 lines, no matter how many lines you attempt to "cram" into it. What happens if you push 1080 into it is that the projector will then have to compress it. Unfortunately for picture quality, my understanding of the way that is usually done to get from 1080i to 720p is to first downconvert to 540p, then upconvert to 720p. Therefore, what you have done is take the 480p from the DVD itself, upconvert to 1080i in the DVD player, downconvert to 540p in the projector, and then upconvert to 720p in the projector. That is a total of 4 conversions, each of which may introduce artifacts. The resulting picture will certainly not be better than an initial upconversion to 720p, and may be well nigh on unwatchable.

Add to that the fact that many will argue that 720p actually looks better than 1080i anyway, and I'd definitely recommend 720p in the first place.

It's not available with HDMI, but it is with component, presumably with any source since it was available with a DVD player connected.

I've also read that the DVB318 outputs a good 1080i image, but does not do so well on 720p. If you go with a 720p projector, then you should consider selling the 318 and going with a Denon 1910 or Bravo D2 (among others). These each have their own problems: 1910 has macroblocking while the D2 doesn't do so hot on incorrectly flagged DVDs. However either does do 720p upscaling well. 1:1 mapping to the native resolution of the projector (i.e. 720p for the MT700) is is night and day clearer than any sort of scaling inside the projector.

Of course a decent HTPC will likely give you the best picture, though it is a little work.

benchobi - did you have to change NTSC Mode to Japan in 480p component to avoid losing dark detail? The initial units (at least 2) definitely had a problem with clipping blacks over component. This is very evident from a DVD player with any sort of ramp (I used the DVE reverse gray ramp).

There are some posts from me on this further back in the thread. I actually thought it was playable before I changed this, but it was night and day better and just looked "right" afterwards.

Hey Mike, any word on about when you expect to make this comparison? Another week or 2 maybe??

I'm most interested in the OTB results of the 4805 and H31 over DVI and any differences in dark scene dithering, focus uniformity.

I know, I know, this thread is for the MT700....

Fleaman

PaulKahlon -- Thanks again for the manual.

MikeSRC -- I hope the US version changes didn't alter the basic manual context or format. That is the most precise, logical, well organized, and easy to read manual (for electronic equipment) that I have ever seen. It makes the Panasonic and Pioneer manuals look like disorganized garbage.

If the MT700 projector is anything like the manual, it's got to be a real winner. Now, I have to find out if I'm sensitive to RBE, and I may have to put a ND filter on it (it may be too bright for my new Da-Lite High-Power screen).

BTW, I would think that Toshiba would OEM to BenQ, not the other way around. BenQ may have done the original design, but Toshiba is the manufacturing giant and has the economy of scale.

If the BenQ 7205 is similar to the MT800, which BenQ model is the MT700 similar to?

Thanks for checking. One more question: Was that at 480, or was it at a higher resolution? The manual at one point states that it's only available at DTV resolutions.

Thanks.
Pip

I have read page 22 from the manual 3 times but can not see or understand if the projector can do the following:

a DVD with 1:2.35 source material (lot of black bars) can the projector do a zoom AND vertical stretch so that it becomes anamorphic (so it fills the entire 16:9 dlp but not in the correct aspect ratio so people in the movie look too tall and thin so you need an anamorphic lens to stretch horizontally again for correct aspect ratio)?

As far as i can interpret the manual (page 22), it can do zoom (option3) but then there must be still black bars on top and bottom or I loose left and right a piece of the picture.
The option 4) Theater Wide is the opposite of what I want, it stretches horizontally, I want to stretch vertically.

Any of you lucky ones that already own a MT700, can you tell me if this is possible?

Thanks in advance,

Kjelt

I was hoping to do it yesterday, but I suddenly got an invasion of relatives. I'll get to it this week. From past measurements of the 4805, they seem to be very similar.


No, it's just a few words (and pictures obviously) here and there. There is also an added page with the pin outs of the DIN connector, as well as a list of RS232 commands.


The new PE7700, due out tomorrow (see the separate thread). Odd as it may seem, I believe that BenQ is the OEM of the MT700, just as InFocus is for the MT800.


480p

Actually, no. Toshiba may be the larger organization, but they get other manufacturers to make many (all?) of their DLPs. As Mike alludes, Infocus makes their MT800, and BenQ makes their MT700. That being said, in the case of the latter, Toshiba seems to have made some design decisions that do differentiate it from the original manufacturer's product (e.g. deinterlacer). However, the only difference between the MT800 and IF7205 appears to be the firmware, and it seems that the former in this case gets the firmware updates sooner.

Ciao,
Raul