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post #241 of 3491
Reasonably good, yes. I wonder if my cabling from antenna to pre-amp might also be a problem.

My antenna didnt come with a balun or whatever to take the leads to coax, so I just ran some thick copper grounding cable from the antenna leads into the preamp terminals. Probably the wrong kind of cable to use, but I figured anything would work. Am I mistaken?
post #242 of 3491
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Originally Posted by Gunny_Highway View Post

You know, I'm so used to digital feeds from D* that I dont really know what a "clean" analog picture looks like. I can receive those channels on analog, and they are viewable, but the SD digital locals I get from D* out of JAX still look better.

I do see a tiny bit of snow when I tune them in as best as I can. Would that indicate that there is no way I will be able to get a digital lock on the corresponding digital HD channels?

Also, I shouldnt have said my 360 shows no signal, as that's not totally true unless I unplug the pre-amp. With everything connected it just seems to show random numbers, bouncing around on the meter, but it never locks.

Ok. This a defect in the Samsung TS360. The digital OTA Meter doesn't work. It show erratic movement as you describe. Everyone has the same problem.
post #243 of 3491
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Originally Posted by Gunny_Highway View Post

Reasonably good, yes. I wonder if my cabling from antenna to pre-amp might also be a problem.

My antenna didnt come with a balun or whatever to take the leads to coax, so I just ran some thick copper grounding cable from the antenna leads into the preamp terminals. Probably the wrong kind of cable to use, but I figured anything would work. Am I mistaken?

This could be a part of the problem.

I looked at the antenna you have and it says that there is balun bracket to mount.

In any case, if the antenna is 300 ohm you need to use standard 300 ohm twin line to connect to the 300 ohm input on the amp. Install the amp close to the antenna.

If the antenna is 75 ohm you need to use a matching transformer, 75 to 300 ohm to connect to the amp.


I don't remember if the cm7777 has a 300 ohm input and 75 ohm output or 75 ohm input and 75 ohm output.
post #244 of 3491
I just remembered, I removed the 75ohm balun on the antenna because my preamp didnt have coax in, just 2 terminals. (is that a dead giveaway that it's 300ohm?)

Do I need a diff pre-amp or just a 300ohm balun?

I'll get up on the roof, rip off the pre-amp and take a closer look.

Thanks for your continued assistance!
post #245 of 3491
No. If the amp is 300 in, the antenna should be able to match it. Just use 300 ohm twin lead to the amp clamping the lead to the mast with a stand off from radio shack. This keeps the lead from blowing in the wind.

Keep the lead from the antenna to the amp short. 2 or 3 feet.

I found more specs on your antenna and they say that it is both 75 ohm and 300 ohm capable. Must be something to do with that black balun.

I can't get a good look at the balun in the pictures i've seen.
post #246 of 3491
Well, I sprung $150 for an MDP-130 MyHD card for my PC and am getting WCJB @ 49% now. I ran the VGA output to my TV and we are looking good! Guess my old TS-360's ATSC Rx is shot, as I havent done anything new to the antenna rig yet.

Better than dropping $500 for the HD Tivo and it even came with a remote and USB IR receiver with 6 foot cable. Running it and the VGA cable through the wall in my office to the outlet behind my TV. Am lucky to have the layout in the house just right for this. Now I can record stuff straight to the hard-drive. Yum!

Thanks very much for the help.
post #247 of 3491
Hola all! I was wondering if anyone had experience with the following setup, and if it would produce acceptable results, on which channels, etc. The Radio Shack website indicates some stores near my parent's home have the $90 HDTV tuner on clearance in stock, so I'm having them pick one up for me. I'll probably try an indoor antenna like the Silver Sensor (is there a particular model number to look for?) I assume I can plug this into a regular TV for now just to see what I can pick up before deciding to invest in an HDTV itself.

I live near the corner of NW 39th Avenue and NW 34th Street. Would that combination of equipment do anything for me?

I also read about people who put an "external" antenna in their attic instead of on their roof. What kind of special mounting does that need, or do you just get an omni-directional antenna so it doesn't have to move all the time?

Yes, I'm an HDTV noob
post #248 of 3491
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Originally Posted by houselog442 View Post

I noticed there are alot of new people hooking HD stuff up in the gainesville area. Phillips now has a new version of the silver sensor out, it is silver colored, with a 10 db amp built in and has VHF dipoles built in. It is being sold on walmart.com (though i havent seen it in the store yet) it looks like it prolly is as good or better than the original silver sensor.

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...uct_id=3904686

The only place I see this available for sale now is at Dell. Can anyone comment on if this is a better antenna to get than the previous model for use in Gainesville?
post #249 of 3491
More questions

Has anyone here run local OTA HDTV signals through a ReplayTV 5500 series? Any comments on quality degredation, etc.?

If I went with an attic mounted antenna, would I need a model that required a power outlet nearby, or are there models that would work that are unpowered?
post #250 of 3491
Based on www.digitalnetworksna.com/dvr/5500/techspecs.asp it looks like the max lines of horizontal resolution on the Component output are 450 (not even good for SD 480i!). Much less it has no ATSC tuner so the best input you could give it is via RCA. I wouldnt even bother.

You dont need power in the attic. The pre-amp sits next to the antenna and is powered via the coaxial cable running from the pre-amp down to your pre-amp power source (which can be located near your TV, which of course is near a power outlet.

Regarding your previous antenna questions. Check out www.antennasdirect.com and www.antennaweb.org for good antenna info and selection assistance.
post #251 of 3491
I'm re-reading some of your earlier posts. Do you have an ATSC tuner yet? If not, you arent going to be able to check to see what you can get in the way of digital channels anyway. NTSC tuners (like that in the ReplayTV 5500) can only tune analog stations, not digital.

Sounds like you live in downtown Gainesville, so you should have no problem receiving the following HD feeds with your indoor antenna:

20-1 WCJB ABC Gainesville 720p
36-2 WUFT PBS Gainesville 1080i
53-1 WGFL CBS High Springs 1080i (though probably not until they boost their power up to the planned 625kW)

If you want to get any of the more remote stations then you would most likely need an outdoor antenna with some decent height above ground.
post #252 of 3491
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Originally Posted by Gunny_Highway View Post

I'm re-reading some of your earlier posts. Do you have an ATSC tuner yet? If not, you arent going to be able to check to see what you can get in the way of digital channels anyway. NTSC tuners (like that in the ReplayTV 5500) can only tune analog stations, not digital.

Sounds like you live in downtown Gainesville, so you should have no problem receiving the following HD feeds with your indoor antenna:

20-1 WCJB ABC Gainesville 720p
36-2 WUFT PBS Gainesville 1080i
53-1 WGFL CBS High Springs 1080i (though probably not until they boost their power up to the planned 625kW)

If you want to get any of the more remote stations then you would most likely need an outdoor antenna with some decent height above ground.

I had my folks pick up the Accurian HTS 6000 (the Radio Shack clearance special for $90) although I have to head down there to pick it up at some point (three hour drive). I wanted an inexpensive way to tinker around with getting the signals even if I can't fully enjoy them yet. I'll be placing my order for the Silver Sensor here in a few minutes, so I'll post back with results at some point in the not-so-distant future.

--
Daniel
post #253 of 3491
Do we know when ABC or FOX HD will be added to Cox here in Gainesville? Are there any other HD channels on the horizon for Cox?

My parents' house (Time Warner) has TNT HD, multiple HBO HDs, and more premium HD offerings. I'd like to see more variety here.
post #254 of 3491
Okay, got my Accurian HTS 6000 from my parents house, plugged in my Silver Sensor, and after about five minutes of experimenting, here's what I get.

16.1 ABC
20.1 ABC
28.1 CBS
28.2 UPN
36.1 PBS
36.2 PBS
36.3 PBS
51.1 FOX (but no sound)

All of these come in at a signal strength of 80 or more (according to my tuner) which is in the green zone for it (i.e. no drop outs) and the only moving of the antenna is to turn it sideways to pick up the 28's.

Anyone know the differences between the 16.1 and 20.1, and why 51.1 has no sound?

Update: I also get the same FOX feed on 31.1, but no sound on it either. I've tried good ole Red/White RCA and I've tried coax optical and neither produce sound on either 31.1 or 51.1.

Update: Still no sound on 31.1 or 51.1. I did find out though I can put the antenna directly between the two orientations I was using to pick up the two groups of channels and I get both groups at the same time I also have a Toshiba 57H94 on the way on Tuesday, so I probably won't need the Accurian tuner box anymore. Is it true that a QAM tuner can pick up the local HD channels that Cox carries (PBS, CBS, NBC)? Do you need to actually pay for digital cable or will regular analog cable have those channels in there to pick out?
post #255 of 3491
Hi folks.

I noticed that Cox now has a new channel 700 labeled EVNHD. It's not active yet but wondering if anyone knew what that was going to be? Thanks.
post #256 of 3491
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Originally Posted by Snarler View Post

Is it true that a QAM tuner can pick up the local HD channels that Cox carries (PBS, CBS, NBC)? Do you need to actually pay for digital cable or will regular analog cable have those channels in there to pick out?

My friend only gets the basic cable (he has DirectTV for most channels, but his QAM tuner in his Sony A20 gets the PBS and NBC HD feeds from Cox, but no CBS HD feed. It does get a UPN digital channel through the Cox feed that Cox does not even send to the regular cable subscribers digitally, but its still 480i. Cox must have the CBS HD feed scrambled. Anyone else try to use the TVs built in QAM tuner with regular basic cable and get different results?
post #257 of 3491
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Originally Posted by bullrat View Post

Hi folks.

I noticed that Cox now has a new channel 700 labeled EVNHD. It's not active yet but wondering if anyone knew what that was going to be? Thanks.

It appears to be Sun Sports. I just turned it on and it has the Magic game in HD. It would be nice if Cox would offer the ABC station in HD as well as TNT and Universal. They offer TNT and Universal in almost all of their other markers except for Gainesville.
post #258 of 3491
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It would be nice if Cox would offer the ABC station in HD

Yeah, I have Time Warner in Lake City and they dont carry ABC in HD either.

I talked to an engineer at WCJB last week, asking him when they planned on actually broadcasting at 1000kW as per their construction permit (he said they had no plans, they are sticking at 363kW for now...pooh).

Anyway, he told me he knows of no cable provider in our area who is working to get carriage of WJCB's DT feed. Looks like we need to call our respective providers and encourage them to get to work on that. I want to take my antenna down and that's the last station keeping me from doing so!
post #259 of 3491
I have been using an indoor antenna to get the ABC station but the signal would be ok one day and horrible the next. This was the only channel that I could get with the antenna besides the PBS station but I get that with Cox. I live in Haile and the CBS and I guess now UPN were not coming in via the antenna as well. I just put away the antenna and gave up. I thought about putting up an antenna on the roof but I am moving to Dallas in June and it isn't worth the time and money.
post #260 of 3491
How much is an indoor HD antenna? My HDTV has a tuner built in. Which channels would I gain by adding an antenna that I don't get through Cox HD? Any brand/model recommendations? I'd like something as unobtrusive as possible.

Is ABC or FOX availible in Gainesville in HD via OTA? How's the coverage? I'm near 34th and Williston Rd.

Thanks!
post #261 of 3491
Unamplified, indoor antennas can be had for as little as $10-15. Try pricegrabber.com and search for tv antenna's. Can't help you on selection, as I'm in Lake City and therefore use a large, outdoor antenna.

At your location, you can definitely get WCJB ABC-DT (20.1), WUFT PBS-DT (36.1, 36.2, 36.3), and perhaps WGFL CBS-DT (53.1...they're still only at their 5.47kW STA, so probably not with an indoor).

As far as FOX, the closest broadcasting in HD is WOGX in Ocala. They're only broadcasting their DT at 500kW, so I dont know that an indoor will do the trick for you in Gainesville. Any of you Gainesvillians have any experience picking up WOGX?

WOGX FOX-DT: http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?list=0&facid=70651
WGFL CBS-DT: http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?list=0&facid=7727
WCJB ABC-DT: http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?list=0&facid=16993
WUFT PBS-DT: http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?list=0&facid=69440
post #262 of 3491
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As far as FOX, the closest broadcasting in HD is WOGX in Ocala. They're only broadcasting their DT at 500kW, so I dont know that an indoor will do the trick for you in Gainesville. Any of you Gainesvillians have any experience picking up WOGX?

WOGX-DT is broadcasting in 480i, not HD. There is no HD OTA feed currently available in the Gainesville-Ocala DMA.

As to antenna reception, I live in NW Gainesville, and I have been unable to consistently lock in a viewable WOGX-DT signal using an outside amplified antenna mounted on a 20 foot pole.
post #263 of 3491
Oh man, that blows. Sorry for the misinformation guys. I shouldnt have assumed WOGX-DT was in HD. I made the leap since they are an O&O of FOX.
post #264 of 3491
Hi guys,

When I noticed the new 700 HD channel that I mentioned in my earlier post, I had emailed Cox at the same time asking about that channel and other future HD channels. Cox emailed me the press release from yesterday on Sun Sports that included the schedule of Orlando Magic and Tampa Lightning games that would be shown in HD. Woooot! (See schedule below)

But the best news was appended in a 'p.s.' that said on December 22, 2005 we would be getting 2 new HD additions to the HD Tier lineup -- TNT HD and Universal HD. It said that Universal HD was in association with NBC and will carry the Winter Olympic Games. A separate email said that they were working with local ABC affiliate to get ABC HD and "they hope to have a postive resolution in the near future."

If this is old news, please ignore -- but I hadn't heard about the new HD channels with December launch. Thanks.

2005-06 TAMPA BAY LIGHTNING HD GAMES SCHEDULE
Mon Nov-14 7:30 NHL Philadelphia @ Tampa Bay
Thu Dec-8 7:30 NHL St. Louis @ Tampa Bay
Sat Dec-17 7:30 NHL Detroit @ Tampa Bay
Tue Jan-24 7:30 NHL Florida @ Tampa Bay
Sat Feb-4 7:30 NHL Washington @ Tampa Bay
Sun Mar-19 5:00 NHL NY Islanders @ Tampa Bay
Sat Apr-8 7:30 NHL Pittsburgh @ Tampa Bay
Tue Apr-18 7:30 NHL Washington @ Tampa Bay

2005-06 ORLANDO MAGIC HD GAMES SCHEDULE
Wed Dec-7 7:00 NBA Chicago @ Orlando
Sun Jan-29 6:00 NBA Philadelphia @ Orlando
Wed Feb-15 7:00 NBA Miami @ Orlando
Sun Feb-26 3:30 NBA Houston @ Orlando
Fri Mar-10 7:00 NBA Cleveland @ Orlando
Fri Mar-31 7:00 NBA Dallas @ Orlando
Fri Apr-7 7:00 NBA Detroit @ Orlando
Mon Apr-17 7:00 NBA Chicago @ Orlando
post #265 of 3491
Great news indeed bullrat. I'm almost disappointed that I will be out of town when they roll out TNT and Universal HD. Hopefully they can reach an agreement with ABC before the BCS games or atleast the Super Bowl.

Keep us posted if you hear anything else from Cox via email.
post #266 of 3491
Fantastic! Thanks very much for the good news, Bullrat. Any idea on what will be shown on that channel 700 when they're not airing the games? I find it hard to believe the channel would be inactive 99% of the time.

Thanks again for sharing!
post #267 of 3491
jonathank, strangely enough, the sporadic games I listed were all that was mentioned. The press release only added "The pre-game will begin 30 minutes before the game starts. The post game will begin immediately after the game and will vary in length (10-30 minutes). " No mention of any other programming.

Now I'm starting to wonder about Universal HD, too. Can someone familiar with Universal HD post what we can expect to see on this channel besides the upcoming Winter Olympics? I hope these two additions aren't just blank most of the time. Thanks.
post #268 of 3491
bullrat, see the link below for universal hd. They offer TV shows, movies and the winter olympics when they start. Universal HD is formally Bravo HD

http://www.universalhd.com/
post #269 of 3491
Looks like Universal HD will be mostly Law & Order, shows I've never heard of, and old movies of the week.

Oh well, at least they're adding something . I'd still really like to see HDNETs added like what I had at home. ABC and FOX HD would really be nice, too. I'm also very surprised that we don't get Fox Sports Net in any form. Only some strange Florida version. It's hard to find out of region sporting events that I'd like to follow.

Anyone know why Time Warner has two HD HBOs and we only get one?
post #270 of 3491
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Originally Posted by jonathank View Post

Looks like Universal HD will be mostly Law & Order, shows I've never heard of, and old movies of the week.

Oh well, at least they're adding something . I'd still really like to see HDNETs added like what I had at home. ABC and FOX HD would really be nice, too. I'm also very surprised that we don't get Fox Sports Net in any form. Only some strange Florida version. It's hard to find out of region sporting events that I'd like to follow.

Anyone know why Time Warner has two HD HBOs and we only get one?

We do get Fox Sports Net...Fox Sports Net Florida is channel 72 we also get Sun Sports which is owned and operated by Fox Sports Net. If you are referring to those digital Fox Sports Channels...I think there are three of them, I agree with you on that point.

We can't blame Cox for not carrying FOX HD when the local affiliate doesn't broadcast in HD yet. But with ABC, I agree, I don't understand the delay in adding their HD to the lineup when they have been broadcasting in HD since the end of August.

For Time Warner, I think they just have HBO HD on their lineup twice..once with the HD tier and another time with the HBO tier.
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