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The coverage area of any fill-in translator must be constrained to within the pre-transition analog contour.

- Trip
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Trip in VA,
Can you expound on that statment? why pre-transition analog contour?

Thanks, Jay
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

No, first of all, subchannels have nothing to do with reception. Digital is all or nothing.

Second, the Fox splicer constrains the bandwidth available for network HD, so that no matter how many additional subchannels a station has, the HD bitrate is the same. (There are Fox stations with three SD subs, and I can only imagine how those look when the splicer is in use.)

- Trip

The Fox splicer allows the same network quality to pass through all Fox affiliates because HD network is compressed only once at the network in LA. It does not go through a bunch of processing like decomp & recomp. So no matter how many subchannels the affiliate has you will get a consistent quality network feed at home throughout the whole country. The subchannels on a fox affiliate are the ones that will suffer. Splicer v2 allows overlay on hd without coming out of HD, last night WOGX went into a flood warning on Fringe and they had a scroll runing so I assume they have the new splicer v2 in place now. See more here: http://www.hdrollout.com/


From: http://www.hdrollout.com/splicer/faq.htm

"How to add a secondary DTV channel?
Write down all the program information (PMT PID value, Video PID value, Audio PID values, Virtual Channel, etc). Contact Thomson/GV support and let them know you want to add a secondary channel. FYI, in order to fit the SD in your multiplex, the video bit rate should be 3.5Mb/s or less. We suggest using 540x480 or 480x480 resolution. The FOX HD program allows for up to 2 SD channels during prime time programming but during sports programming only 1 SD."


As far as subchannels reception well there are many examples of receiving a bordeline signal decoding the main hd channel and having no breakups, then tuning to a sub and having lots of breakups, so the FEC, forward error correction, devoted to the main channel .1 has to be greater than that of the subs .2-.3s.
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Originally Posted by JayPR View Post

Trip in VA,
Can you expound on that statment? why pre-transition analog contour?

Thanks, Jay

Fill-in translators are designed to "fill in" areas that lost coverage between the analog and digital contours.

- Trip
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Originally Posted by satpro View Post

Splicer v2 allows overlay on hd without coming out of HD, last night WOGX went into a flood warning on Fringe and they had a scroll running so I assume they have the new splicer v2 in place now.

Sat Man, I am not positive WOGX has their own splicer. I am about a year out of date talking with the boys on the phone.

I know pre-transition, by about 2 years they either rented or laid their own fiber from Lake Mary studio to the Ocala studio. From Ocala studio they bought a brand new microwave for their STL.

For a long time even the local Fox35 news here on WOGX was SD, yet when net went HD, WOGX was HD. I really don't remember now if during a scroll back then if WOGX had to go SD, I no longer remember.

Then they went HD local news from Orlando. And I asked but the guy I talked to was not that knowledgeable and said they added some gear in Ocala to accept HD local from Orlando via the fiber link.

I know all this information is spotty, and I am guessing it's possible that WOGX doesn't have a splicer as I don't even know if they have a set in the Ocala studio, as I have never seen it on the air. I think they are feed from Orlando now for everything

I called them right after they went HD local. The first week or so they had the FOX35 bug on the local news. The next week they had FOX51 on the bug. I asked about that and they said it came that way from Orlando with the FOX51 bug already on the feed.

So it's possible that what ever equipment they put in the Ocala Studio, that master control for WOGX may very well be in Lake Mary????

I am sure they have something local to do satellite feed to STL there in Ocala, as that is what they used at first for HD on WOGX very early on.

Guess some clone falls, oops I mean phone calls to Lake Mary would answer a lot of stuff. The Ocala guys are both relatively new
post #3306 of 3491
WOGX/WOFL/WRBW should get on with adding syndicated HD playout since obviously they have the equipment needed to playout HD news reports in HD.

WOGX operations IE: Programming, commercial insertion, and even EAS inserts all originate from the FOX 35 Master Control in Lake Mary which also handles WOFL and WRBW. WOGX has their own splicer, independant from the splicer for WOFL, in case they are doing different newtork programming like sports events and so they can insert a distinct bug on network or if they have to issue different EAS overlays for NCF.

Next month Fox 35's new radar in Bithlo goes lives I hope they add a radar sub channel to WOFL & WOGX since they are spending a lot on the new radar.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/subindex...adar_tower_cam

51.2 WOGX 4:3 was most likely a 4:3 safe cable company feed that has now been eliminated because Fox is doing AFD auto format desc and there is no need to do this anymore, In Orlando the WOFL 4:3 cable feed which is also sent to the satellite LRF for dish and directv contains no FOX bug on network the same way 51.2 was bug free when it was being transmitted.
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post #3307 of 3491
WOGX gave us the Falcons game instead of the Bucs game today. Brilliant.
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Without looking them up, I wonder how much control they really had over what they could show with all the goofball rules about primary markets and secondary markets and blackouts and which network has a double header vs single game, etc.

Then again, from the sounds of it, maybe it was a good thing we didn't see the game
post #3309 of 3491
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Originally Posted by Snarler View Post

Without looking them up, I wonder how much control they really had over what they could show with all the goofball rules about primary markets and secondary markets and blackouts and which network has a double header vs single game, etc.

Then again, from the sounds of it, maybe it was a good thing we didn't see the game

Gainesville is a Jaguars secondary market. They're not subject to blackouts, meaning that they were entirely free to show the Jags game. They were also free to show the Bucs game.

The network decides what markets show what games, and my guess is that someone didn't know that Gainesville was a secondary, not primary, market and so they switched the game to what Jacksonville was showing (which, in their case, was the right decision to show the Atlanta game in lieu of being able to show anything at all).

That or the network told them to run the Jags or Bucs game and they screwed up, but I don't even know how possible that is with the way their network stuff runs. Fox has such a bizarre distribution system that I can't make heads or tails of it.
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One of these days, I am going to write a letter to the advertisers of my favorite network shows, telling them that I am forced to download the programs and miss their advertising due to the fact that my cable company butchers the programming with its asinine 4:3 cropping.

Seriously, House was horrible to watch tonight.
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Originally Posted by bubbaprog View Post

One of these days, I am going to write a letter to the advertisers of my favorite network shows, telling them that I am forced to download the programs and miss their advertising due to the fact that my cable company butchers the programming with its asinine 4:3 cropping.

Seriously, House was horrible to watch tonight.

Do get any pleasure from your TV?
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I never (ok, rarely) watch ads anyways with TiVo so I got no one to complain to

Watched the Ole Miss - SC game, Community, a couple of Robot Chickens, and a Kathy Griffin comedy show last night (gotta watch the fillers to let the game get ahead so I can skip timeouts and the like)
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Originally Posted by Piggie View Post

Do get any pleasure from your TV?

I did when I lived in Clearwater :-) I wish we lived in Verizon-land, FIOS was a joy. This AT&T Uverse scam is, well, a scam.
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I did when I lived in Clearwater :-) I wish we lived in Verizon-land, FIOS was a joy. This AT&T Uverse scam is, well, a scam.

I'm curious why you feel AT&T U-Verse is a scam? It looks good on paper.
Also, is there any news on when it will become available in Gainesville?
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Hey everyone, I have a question about using an indoor antenna for OTA HD. I live at The Estates, which is pretty much on the intersection of 20th Ave and 34th. My apartment complex is different because it provides cable through a service called Extended Networks, and they don't have the standard broadcasting channels in HD. Now, being an almost religious NBC watcher, I bought this antenna

http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...mat=4#feedback

in the hopes of being able to pick up NBC. However it's picking up every channel except NBC. Reading through a few pages here, I see that NBC is hard to get. I live on the third floor of my complex, facing east, and I was wondering if anyone could help me out in getting this channel in HD. Thanks guys!
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Originally Posted by Jawathethird View Post

Hey everyone, I have a question about using an indoor antenna for OTA HD. I live at The Estates, which is pretty much on the intersection of 20th Ave and 34th. My apartment complex is different because it provides cable through a service called Extended Networks, and they don't have the standard broadcasting channels in HD. Now, being an almost religious NBC watcher, I bought this antenna

http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...mat=4#feedback

in the hopes of being able to pick up NBC. However it's picking up every channel except NBC. Reading through a few pages here, I see that NBC is hard to get. I live on the third floor of my complex, facing east, and I was wondering if anyone could help me out in getting this channel in HD. Thanks guys!

Using a UHF antenna indoors and trying to receive a VHF station isn't very likely to work.

Try a simple UHF loop / VHF rabbit ears antenna. They're cheap.

It doesn't help that WNBW is "behind" you as you look out your east-facing window. High-VHF doesn't penetrate buildings very well, especially when they're only throwing about 1.8 kW in your direction. Try placing your rabbit ears directly in front of your window and hope you can get a decent reflected signal off something.

Don't hold your breath...

Call the station and pitch your complaint. Tell them they need more power. If viewers don't complain, they'll never consider changing what they're doing.
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Originally Posted by fenderbender55 View Post

I'm curious why you feel AT&T U-Verse is a scam? It looks good on paper.
Also, is there any news on when it will become available in Gainesville?

Verizon sends the actual MPEG-2 program streams along the fiber, and splits it out pure onto coax with QAM encoding. You can hook any QAM-compatible set up to your house cable, and it will pick up whichever channels are available in Clear QAM in that market. All channels are sent in their original MPEG-2 formats.

U-Verse uses Microsoft's IPTV format, which doesn't support QAM (meaning you need a set-top box for every television in your house) and recompresses every single channel, creating a huge reduction in quality.

I hate Verizon as a company, but at least they get Fiber-Optic Television right.
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I live in Lamplighter MHP next to NW 39th Ave, about 19 miles from WNBW & WGFL tower, about 22 miles from WOGX, 12.5 mile from WCJB, 8 miles from WUFT. ALL stations come in great with the Terk HDTVo amplified antenna aimed toward the SW. It was on sale at amazon, so I took the chance and bought it- great reviews. I hope this helps someone who needs to pick up both VHF & UHF stations locally.
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Cox blocking WESH-HD for, it appears, everything now. If you want to watch WESH for the news, you have to watch in SD.
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The other day most of my reception has ceased to come into my house. Now, at best, I can get PBS and 16.1 and 16.2. Previously, I was receiving all of the channels available over-the-air in Gainesville. Has anybody ever heard of this? I did not change any of my settings to my antennas, they are just not responding at all Thanks!
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Originally Posted by pacond View Post

The other day most of my reception has ceased to come into my house. Now, at best, I can get PBS and 16.1 and 16.2. Previously, I was receiving all of the channels available over-the-air in Gainesville. Has anybody ever heard of this? I did not change any of my settings to my antennas, they are just not responding at all Thanks!

Something in your system failed.

Perhaps the cat knocked a cable loose or the dog chewed the cable or a pelican sat on your antenna and bent it.....

We might be antenna nuts, but we aren't psychic....
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Originally Posted by bubbaprog View Post

Cox blocking WESH-HD for, it appears, everything now. If you want to watch WESH for the news, you have to watch in SD.

I am not positive though not versed at all in cable FCC rules, but I don't even think they are allowed to show it in SD when there is duplicate content, which of course local news isn't.

There are some new deals going on I am not aware except by vague third hand rumors, but there is still a battle between WESH and WNBW over more than just cable. Most of it doesn't make a lick of good sense, why I sometimes suspect there is a tiny little war going on.
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Originally Posted by pacond View Post

The other day most of my reception has ceased to come into my house. Now, at best, I can get PBS and 16.1 and 16.2. Previously, I was receiving all of the channels available over-the-air in Gainesville. Has anybody ever heard of this? I did not change any of my settings to my antennas, they are just not responding at all Thanks!

I have to agree, sounds like an down right failure. Normally this is the time of year reception gets better as leaves drop off trees.
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Real quick question I hope someone could advise me on. I live in rock creek off 34th street and get over air HD channels in my bedroom tv. I'm going to be hosting a tailgate on campus for saturday's football game. Does anyone have experience with over-air HD channels on UF campus? Specifically, I'll be trying to watch the Texas vs Oklahoma at noon. We have a direct TV box and card, but no antenna so I was trying to figure a way to get channels without having to try to rent a direct TV antenna. Thanks for your help, go gators!
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Originally Posted by jhujrt3 View Post

Real quick question I hope someone could advise me on. I live in rock creek off 34th street and get over air HD channels in my bedroom tv. I'm going to be hosting a tailgate on campus for saturday's football game. Does anyone have experience with over-air HD channels on UF campus? Specifically, I'll be trying to watch the Texas vs Oklahoma at noon. We have a direct TV box and card, but no antenna so I was trying to figure a way to get channels without having to try to rent a direct TV antenna. Thanks for your help, go gators!

Whatever your setup is at home, it should be more than enough to pick up ABC on campus. I get it here with an unamplified antenna.
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Originally Posted by bubbaprog View Post

Whatever your setup is at home, it should be more than enough to pick up ABC on campus. I get it here with an unamplified antenna.

I've got a TV with a built in antenna at home that picks up the channels. No external antenna. Thanks for the info!
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*sigh* Looks like it's gonna be Giants - Saints instead of Bucs - Panthers on Sunday...thanks a lot WOGX. Man you guys suck.
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Yeah, knew about the NFL maps link, use it all the time, though it was wrong about the Bucs game being shown here a couple weeks ago (i.e. it said it was being shown but it was in fact not being shown.) Sunday Ticket isn't an option for me for all sorts of reasons (price, treeline, no HD locals last time I looked, etc.) And two kids kinda takes away from the sports bar experience

Ah well...
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Originally Posted by Snarler View Post

Yeah, knew about the NFL maps link, use it all the time, though it was wrong about the Bucs game being shown here a couple weeks ago (i.e. it said it was being shown but it was in fact not being shown.) Sunday Ticket isn't an option for me for all sorts of reasons (price, treeline, no HD locals last time I looked, etc.) And two kids kinda takes away from the sports bar experience

Ah well...

The ST feed worked great yesterday for watching the Bucs game, and I frankly don't find anything wrong with it morally since I'm watching the ads that are paying for the broadcast anyway.
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