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post #3361 of 3491
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Originally Posted by Bud Manstrong View Post

Hi, folks. Sorry for another WNBW help request, but here's my situation. I'm next to Shands in an apartment complex. Currently I'm running a Philips SDV2730 pointed east, and I can't see it. I'm planning on switching antennas so I can get WNBW, but I'm not sure which way to go. An outdoor antenna isn't feasible for my living situation, so I'm trying to choose between the Terk HDTVa and the Radio Shack 15-1892. Does anyone have any recommendations about which one will get me closer, or any other recommended antennas? It'll be difficult logistically, but I can point the antenna west when I get a good one set up.


I am currently using Terk HDTVo amplified antenna. It picks up all VHF & UHF stations locally. All broadcast towers are within 25 miles of my mobile home. The cheapest available I've seen is amazon.com.

You may not be able to receive WNBW all year around with an indoor antenna. They are so weak, especially E & SE of their broadcast tower. For example, I live in Lamplighter MHP in east Gainesville. My home is almost exactly east of the tower, because of their directional antenna, I only receive about 2.4 KW. If I lived exactly the same mileage on the west side of the tower, I would be recieving WNBW at 4.9 KW. Still that's not much power on VHF. I tried for months to get in WNBW indoors, but I could never get a stable signal. That's why I finally broke down and bought an outdoor antenna. I live 19 miles from WNBW, recieve them mostly from 50% to 60% now (which is stable). IF they ever go non-directional, I might be able to get them around 80 or 90%.

If you must go with an indoor antenna. Go with the Terk HDTVa. I have this hooked up to my bedroom TV. It works very well on UHF, but on VHF (WNBW) I have not been able to lock in a stable signal with it- just too weak to penetrate walls.
post #3362 of 3491
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Originally Posted by drewbrunelle View Post

are these channels still accurate?

107-1 PBS HD (WUFT)
107-2 FOX HD (WOGX)

108-1 CBS HD (WGFL)
108-2 ABC HD (WCJB)

110-1 NBC HD (WNBW)
110-2 NBC HD (WESH)

Depends I've found some TV's show the channels at their "native" location which I'll list in a second. Others, like my older Toshiba RPTV show them at the first available subchannel on the same main channel, which are what you have above.

107-102 PBS
107-103 FOX
108-1 CBS
108-2 ABC
110-1 NBC (WNBW)
78-1 NBC (WESH verified and updated)

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Daniel
post #3363 of 3491
WESH is at 549 MHz now, which is QAM channel 78.
post #3364 of 3491
Bud Manstrong, my experience is basically the same as JayPR's.

I have tried the HDTVa with no signal fro WNBW at all. There have been some suggestions on the boards about creating a hybrid antenna with a UHF and VHF antennas joined so that you might be able to have a VHF outside the window to pick up WNBW. I have tried using an FM dipole for this, and also failed.

Sorry for my bad news, but if you figure out a solution let us know! Especially for us living in apartments where they frown on you hammering things into the exterior walls ;-)
post #3365 of 3491
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Originally Posted by JayPR View Post

What is WESH doing??? Their application for a digital translator is 7KW on UHF channel 24, northside of Ocala and is highly directional. And the tower isn't even 200 meters tall. So folk in northern marion county, where WNBW doesn't reach, are still screwed.

It is nice that they are thinking of Marion county OTA watchers, BUT don't you think they should try to cover all of Marion County.?

has anything come of WESH on uhf 24 yet
post #3366 of 3491
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Originally Posted by thriftshop11 View Post

has anything come of WESH on uhf 24 yet

Myself no, funny that I went to the Orlando OTA section first tonight and posed that same question.

I don't hold a lot of hope to receive it. Probably if I put a very long boom yagi to a couple of them stacked.

I have a Radio Shack U-75R and there is a LP in Palatka that is within 2 miles of the same distance, same antenna height, and same power if you adjust for the directional antennas. I have to point right at it and it's not always there. It doesn't take much skip from Orlando to kill it.

But then there is a chance it will be more reliable than WNBW or WTLV.

What I don't get is why from what I heard the management of WNBW has pretty much decided to leave in the null. Not only would that greatly improved the area that CH 24 won't cover, but it would double the signal in Gainesville, it's city of license.

There is something going on we don't know, or don't understand. I can't believe it's being done for just resistance to change.
post #3367 of 3491
Should I just give up on WGFL ever increasing their bitrate? It really hurts my head to watch sports on there anymore, with the constant stream of blocks flying in every direction.
post #3368 of 3491
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Originally Posted by bubbaprog View Post

Should I just give up on WGFL ever increasing their bitrate? It really hurts my head to watch sports on there anymore, with the constant stream of blocks flying in every direction.

Thank you - I thought it was just me that was bothered by it. I guess they rob bandwidth for the subchannel, the CW. Do you think writing to them would help?
post #3369 of 3491
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Originally Posted by ElectricPickle View Post

Thank you - I thought it was just me that was bothered by it. I guess they rob bandwidth for the subchannel, the CW. Do you think writing to them would help?

I've seen other broadcasters that have subchannels and are 1080i look much better. Of course, nothing looks better than the gorgeous picture we get from WNBW -- not only do they use all 19Mbps with no subchannel but even the small allocation that would normally be used by Dolby Digital 5.1 is used instead for video.

Of course, I'm a 2.0 channel person, if I had my home theatre setup I'd be a bit peeved. But compare football on WNBW and football on WGFL -- it's not even fair how much better it looks.

(Yes, I realize that the CBS feed is compromised to a degree (mostly along the chroma axis) because of the logistics of bouncing that many HD feeds off the birds simultaneously. But the issues of macroblocking and other artifacts are purely the result of WGFL using a very inefficent MPEG-2 encoder.)
post #3370 of 3491
I have a question that hopefully you antenna gurus out there can answer. My system is the following: 50 ft tower, with pre-amp on the antenna. Coax down to the attic where it goes into the amp. Amp out to a 3-way splitter to feed the 3 tv's in the house.

The question is the following, I want to add a 4th tv to the system. Can I just get a 4-way splitter to replace the 3-way I currently have? Or do I need to get some sort of distribution amp since I am adding a fourth tv to the system? If I need another amp for outputs, can someone link a site to show me?

Thanks.
post #3371 of 3491
Does anyone know why WUFT cuts off the last three minutes of BBC World News everyday?

Because wow that gets me upset every time.

I need to figure out who to write over there about that...
post #3372 of 3491
Cox has responded to the TV volume legislation by decreasing the volume across all analogue channels by about 6 dBu.

This, of course, does nothing to change the whole point of the legislation, that ads have twice the volume of the programming. So now instead of being on 13 volume for the show and 10 for the ads, it's 20 for the show and 13 for the ads. Great job, Cox.
post #3373 of 3491
Hi all - I've got 2 questions. I have a DB4 antenna in the attic and can pick up all the local ocala/g-ville stations OTA.

1) I can get WUFT on 5.1, 5.2 & 5.3 -- 5.1 comes in fine. 5.2 & 5.3 - I have audio only, no picture. Does anyone else experience this?

2) Has anyone had any luck pulling in an NBC station?

Thanks,
Lee
post #3374 of 3491
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Originally Posted by germkilla View Post

2) Has anyone had any luck pulling in an NBC station?

Thanks,
Lee

I live in downtown Gainesville. *I* can't get WNBW.

They've VHF and broadcasting a whopping 4 kW. You can find them on 9.1, but you'll need to attach your VHF aerial to the top of one of those towers in Newberry.

That having been said, the picture (via Clear QAM on Cox) is gorgeous, owing to no subchannels or Dolby Digital.

As for Jacksonville (for those not following, I'm in the middle of moving to Jax), my Comcast install went fine last night, though I'm embarrassed at how slow and useless the cable box is, as well as how few channels I get despite the promises of the promotion. Oh well.
post #3375 of 3491
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Originally Posted by bubbaprog View Post

I've seen other broadcasters that have subchannels and are 1080i look much better. Of course, nothing looks better than the gorgeous picture we get from WNBW -- not only do they use all 19Mbps with no subchannel but even the small allocation that would normally be used by Dolby Digital 5.1 is used instead for video.

They actually use a little under 16mbps on WNBW, which is more than most stations on the main channel. They don't use most of the remaining 3mbps for anything.

http://www.rabbitears.info/screencap.../83965-0_0.htm
post #3376 of 3491
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Originally Posted by Nocableguy View Post

I have a question that hopefully you antenna gurus out there can answer. My system is the following: 50 ft tower, with pre-amp on the antenna. Coax down to the attic where it goes into the amp. Amp out to a 3-way splitter to feed the 3 tv's in the house.

The question is the following, I want to add a 4th tv to the system. Can I just get a 4-way splitter to replace the 3-way I currently have? Or do I need to get some sort of distribution amp since I am adding a fourth tv to the system? If I need another amp for outputs, can someone link a site to show me?

Thanks.

Mostly likely the simpliest answer is just replace the 3 way with a 4 way.

Two reasons. If you have 19 or more db of gain in the amp and less than 100 ft to farthest TV from the amp, then you have more gain than loss in the system.

2nd reason. There are 3 kinds of 3 way splitters. Some are like ganging 2 two-way splitters. Where one of the ports is 3 db down and the other 2 are 6 down. Some are just a 4 way with an internal termination so all ports are 6 db down. Then there are some called balanced that are all about 5.5 db down.

Either way in the 2nd reason your amp should easily overcome a few more db of loss if any depending on the 3 way you are using now.

The only way you might have trouble is if you amp were only 10 to 12 db, you have over 100 ft of RG6 and the farthest TV were 3 db port of an unbalanced 3 way splitter. Even then you might not see the difference except on a meter.
post #3377 of 3491
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Originally Posted by germkilla View Post

Hi all - I've got 2 questions. I have a DB4 antenna in the attic and can pick up all the local ocala/g-ville stations OTA.

1) I can get WUFT on 5.1, 5.2 & 5.3 -- 5.1 comes in fine. 5.2 & 5.3 - I have audio only, no picture. Does anyone else experience this?

2) Has anyone had any luck pulling in an NBC station?

Thanks,
Lee

Lee, depending on where you are in Marion county you have one or two possible solutions for NBC. Neither of which is WNBW.

One is if you are Ocala or south or east (but not northeast like me), it's very possible that a VHF antenna pointed at WESH in Orlando will work. I almost receive it here in Orange Springs, in the most NE corner of the county.

If and when WESH puts up their ch 24 translator in Ocala (about a mile south of the corner of CR326 and I-75) and you are south of that by no more than 5 to 10 miles, your DB4 pointed at Gainesville "should" pick it up. We call the yet to be on the air station WESH-24 for lack of another name yet, but all we know is they applied and were granted a construction permit by the FCC and have 3 years to build it. As of yet no one knows their time table and if they plan to go through with the construction.
post #3378 of 3491
Piggie. It's good to have you back. Where you been?
post #3379 of 3491
Holy hell, I'm not gonna miss WGFL. The Jax CBS is full-signal. We get crap like this:

post #3380 of 3491
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Originally Posted by Piggie View Post

Mostly likely the simpliest answer is just replace the 3 way with a 4 way.

Two reasons. If you have 19 or more db of gain in the amp and less than 100 ft to farthest TV from the amp, then you have more gain than loss in the system.

2nd reason. There are 3 kinds of 3 way splitters. Some are like ganging 2 two-way splitters. Where one of the ports is 3 db down and the other 2 are 6 down. Some are just a 4 way with an internal termination so all ports are 6 db down. Then there are some called balanced that are all about 5.5 db down.

Either way in the 2nd reason your amp should easily overcome a few more db of loss if any depending on the 3 way you are using now.

The only way you might have trouble is if you amp were only 10 to 12 db, you have over 100 ft of RG6 and the farthest TV were 3 db port of an unbalanced 3 way splitter. Even then you might not see the difference except on a meter.

Thank you, Piggie! Glad to know you're still around.
post #3381 of 3491
I live elsewhere, but my mom lives in Gainesville and I'm thinking about getting her a Moxi or Tivo and upgrading her cable as a gift. I'm not sure Cox will talk to me because it's not my house, so I'm hoping I can get some general background from the forum before I float the idea by her. So, can anyone help with the following?:

(a) Have Tivo or Moxi users been happy with their cable card reliability through Cox in Gainesville?

(b) Does Cox use SDV such that you need a tuning adaptor too? Does Cox have plans to go to SDV any time soon?

(c) What would it cost to have a high def programming package, including ESPN-HD (i.e., clear QAM is not enough because she's a sports junkie); and

(b) What would it cost to get a multistream cable card to connect to the new Tivo or Moxi (all she has now is standard def TVs connected by rg6)?

Thanks in advance for your help.
post #3382 of 3491
Can't answer the technical questions but I can share my personal experience with Comcast in Jax.

My Mom is in her 90s and I called Comcast to see if I could upgrade her service to HD and have the billing change so I could get the bills direct.

They had NO PROBLEM with my increasing the billing on her account and having me start paying her bill.
post #3383 of 3491
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Originally Posted by ElectricPickle View Post

Piggie. It's good to have you back. Where you been?

Well from about summer until January, I was mainly in the Orlando thread here and on dtvusaforum.com where I moderate. A lot of it too is there just haven't been any news to post or questions asked for me to post. Where their were, someone told them about all there is to know, like how hard it is and how you just have to be lucky to get WNBW.

In October I got a job. Washing dishes at the local restaurant where my son worked.

Then starting in Jan, I bought myself some test equipment, rudimentary but enough to test antennas more accurately. But as soon as it all came in....

Then my son hit a tree with his car and left the rest of us. I haven't been much the same since. Yeah I am getting over it but I don't have the wind in my sails to concentrate for long periods of time.

Glad actually now I have a job that mainly requires physical activity, which works out a lot of emotions even if it was where my son worked also.

But life goes on.
post #3384 of 3491
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Originally Posted by Nocableguy View Post

Thank you, Piggie! Glad to know you're still around.

Yes I come by and read here at least once a week. Less lately as I explained above. But mainly there hasn't been a lot of reason to post. And like I said I was about to do a comparison from my house on several common antennas when my son passed away. I have stuff here I haven't even opened. Like I said, parts of my life like work, I concentrated on first to get back on the horse and ride, but other parts are still in a stall. I spend a lot of time talking to the wife, remaining son and his wife that live next door. And chatting online with old friends (from real life) that keeps me sane.

Thanks for the greetings guys! And yes I am hanging around!
post #3385 of 3491
Only seeing you and your posts I don't really know you but I am so very, very sorry for your loss. Cathy and I have two sons - both way past grown - one 34 and the other 28 - We simply can't image your loss.

Our boys are still "our boys" and our kids and we worry about them always.

You will be in our prayers. So very, very sorry for your loss.
post #3386 of 3491
Piggie, you are in our prayers as well. Please take the time to heal and stay on that horse.
post #3387 of 3491
So very sorry to hear of your loss, Piggie. My condolences to you and your family.
post #3388 of 3491
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Originally Posted by Blue View Post

I live elsewhere, but my mom lives in Gainesville and I'm thinking about getting her a Moxi or Tivo and upgrading her cable as a gift. I'm not sure Cox will talk to me because it's not my house, so I'm hoping I can get some general background from the forum before I float the idea by her. So, can anyone help with the following?:

(a) Have Tivo or Moxi users been happy with their cable card reliability through Cox in Gainesville?

(b) Does Cox use SDV such that you need a tuning adaptor too? Does Cox have plans to go to SDV any time soon?

(c) What would it cost to have a high def programming package, including ESPN-HD (i.e., clear QAM is not enough because she's a sports junkie); and

(d) What would it cost to get a multistream cable card to connect to the new Tivo or Moxi (all she has now is standard def TVs connected by rg6)?

Thanks in advance for your help.

I use TiVo on Cox with CC. My only knowledge of Moxi is what is on their website so I'll leave that one as an exercise to the reader.

a. Yes. There's one odd issue I'm having but can't quite narrow it down to signal or TiVo or CC so I can't blame anyone yet and it's not a showstopper. Some shows will have a glitch in them which doesn't really bother me while watching it but it makes it impossible to fully transfer that show to my PC.
b. No SDV yet, have not heard of plans to.
c. It costs almost the same as their digital cable package. I've looked it up before, and it turns out the cost to get their HD package via CC ends up being about 2-3 dollars less than if you used their non-PVR set top box. The basic difference is that they charge 2 bucks for the cable card and something in the 5 region for their set top box if you look at the broken out costs of their charge for digital cable.
d. She would need digital cable service as I mentioned in c. so the cost would be the difference between Cox's digital service and whatever level she has now, keeping in mind the slight savings by using the CC instead of their set top box.

There's also a savings of not using their PVR service, but that is offset by the TiVo service charge (either monthly or lifetime.) You would need to calculate the current Cox PVR monthly fee and how long it would take to make up the lifetime charge for a TiVo.
post #3389 of 3491
What is the OTA channel for CBS in Gainesville?

Ooops found it.

Digital 28.1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WGFL

Hopefully this works for the SB!
post #3390 of 3491
Piggie,

Sorry to hear about your loss. My wife and I lost our then 19-year old son in a preventable accident six years ago last Wednesday. While time will dull the pain, it will never go away. Whenever we visit his grave in Jefferson Barracks (he was in the Army), the pain comes back as we sort out our grief and emotions.

We were able of locate grief support group at a local church within several months of his loss. With the help of skilled counselors and the rest of the group, it made he first few months more bearable. Don't be afraid to use the services of professional therapists as one really helped my wife.

Good luck and we'll keep you in our prayers.

PS89
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