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post #4321 of 4636
I don't know, but the FCC has already stated that they would like to see a 3rd DBS provider. If they give the only frequencies left to an existing provider, they will eliminate such possibility.
post #4322 of 4636
Quote:
Originally posted by Walter L.
I don't know, but the FCC has already stated that they would like to see a 3rd DBS provider. If they give the only frequencies left to an existing provider, they will eliminate such possibility.
of course they would, walter.

the NFL would really like to see a team in L.A. too, the 2nd biggest market in the country, but obviously, what they'd like to see means nothing.
post #4323 of 4636
The FCC supporting the needs of a company is one thing, supporting the needs of the public is another...and it's what they're SUPPOSED to do. The FCC isn't paid for and delegated authority by taxpayers to either subsidize private industry solely for those corporate entity's own gains nor at any rate to leverage business deals to the benefit of corporations versus the consumer. I'm not saying that doesn't happen, this is America we're talking about, after all, and the last few years CEA/NAB member lobbyists have been quite effective and the FCCs overall stance has overall been quite the opposite, but the FCC is SUPPOSED to guage what's the best media/information strategy for the viewing public's needs.

Only now, for example, are there rumblings that the FCC will step in and force the CEA to stop selling analog sets without notifying the buyer that it may be outdated in a short while. There's a reason the public is largely clueless about HD, and that stems from the 'milk the old standard' mentality of the industry. Progress is expensive, and easier to pass on to the consumer if done veeeerrrrryyyy gradually and through several upgrade cycles, whether necessary or not.

Question is, how does the FCC look after the best interests of the American viewing public and the HD transition mandate when the remaining 2 sat players lag so far behind the now defunct 3rd party upstart? Voom was willing to jump two steps ahead of the competition. Now left with D* and E*, the FCC's job as it were is to make sure they get where V* was as fast as possible and do their part for the HD transition mandate. Satellite, cable and broadcast share in the responsibility for HDs success. In short--give E* the satellite/transponder licenses, but on order that some significant part is used to DELIVER HD TO THE AMERICAN PUBLIC. That's what the FCC should do in the reality of the current situation, imho.
post #4324 of 4636
There is no HD transition mandate. Congress has directed a shift to DTV, not HD. They only did that to recover spectrum for emergency services use and sale. Digital TV, being more efficient than analog TV, allows this. There is no requirement that they transmit in High Def, only that they move to digital transmission.
post #4325 of 4636
The government has been very careful not to piss off the lobbyists, navychop, and I acknowledge the DTV clarification. I realize they've left themselves the out via DTV language, and for a multitude of reasons...but all the industry marketing and the promise of DTV sold to the public in order to get them to buy in has been in regards to the qualitative jump of HD. Multicasting SD is not in the public nor the technologies best interest. Seriously, how many telemarketing channels and doppler radar screens does a market need? It's OUR, the public's airwaves/bandwidth, not the corporations'. If they allow broadcast to simply slide to 480p digital transmission, that's not what all the PR has been promising the consumer/taxpayers for these past years...and that reeks of bait and switch. The EFF and other like-minded consumer groups are going to have a field day if the DTV mandate ISN'T, in the end, predominantly an HD mandate.
post #4326 of 4636
Quote:
Originally posted by CPanther95
It's one thing for the government to assure that a 3rd DBS company has a fair chance at success. It's another thing entirely for them to intervene for the benefit of a non-existent 3rd company to the detriment of the competitiveness of the #2 DBS company.
I agree with with this, and I doubt anything close will happen, but I can't help but think about Chrysler Corporation....not a fair comparison as Chrysler was already established, but somewhat similar in methodolgy...
post #4327 of 4636
I think the FCC may have looked at it much differently if Voom, LLC had found investors, then made the case to the FCC that the Rainbow 1 sale would effectively shut them down. Even then it would require them to rule that the benefit to the public is significant enough that they should interfere with a perfectly legit contract between two companies.

That's a virtually impossible case to make when there's basically nobody (with the means to start a DBS company) asking them to intervene.
post #4328 of 4636
shanewalker:

I certainly hope you're right in (what is currently numbered) post 4326. My new HDTV produces excellent SD images, but that's not what I bought it for......
post #4329 of 4636
Quote:
Originally posted by shanewalker
The FCC supporting the needs of a company is one thing, supporting the needs of the public is another...and it's what their SUPPOSED to do. The FCC isn't paid for and delegated authority by taxpayers to either subsidize private industry solely for those corporate entity's own gains nor at any rate to leverage business deals to the benefit of corporations versus the consumer. I'm not saying that doesn't happen, this is America we're talking about, after all, and the last few years CEA/NAB member lobbyists have been quite effective and the FCCs overall stance has overall been quite the opposite, but the FCC is SUPPOSED to guage what's the best media/information strategy for the viewing public's needs.

Only now, for example, are there rumblings that the FCC will step in and force the CEA to stop selling analog sets without notifying the buyer that it may be outdated in a short while. There's a reason the public is largely clueless about HD, and that stems from the 'milk the old standard' mentality of the industry. Progress is expensive, and easier to pass on to the consumer if done veeeerrrrryyyy gradually and through several upgrade cycles, whether necessary or not.

Question is, how does the FCC look after the best interests of the American viewing public and the HD transition mandate when the remaining 2 sat players lag so far behind the now defunct 3rd party upstart? Voom was willing to jump two steps ahead of the competition. Now left with D* and E*, the FCC's job as it were is to make sure they get where V* was as fast as possible and do their part for the HD transition mandate. Satellite, cable and broadcast share in the responsibility for HDs success. In short--give E* the satellite/transponder licenses, but on order that some significant part is used to DELIVER HD TO THE AMERICAN PUBLIC. That's what the FCC should do in the reality of the current situation, imho.

i think the problem with your humble opinion is it makes too much sense.

we can only hope the idiots in washington see it the way you do.
post #4330 of 4636
Quote:
Originally posted by michaelk
i think the problem with your humble opinion is it makes too much sense.

we can only hope the idiots in washington see it the way you do.

what dont you people get?????

the feds and the fcc never MANDATED HD, ever!!!!!!

they mandated digital broadcasting to replace analog

THAT IS IT

END OF STORY

digital is to replace analog so they can re -sell the analog spectrum

my god , get over the hd "THING"

BTW ken thanks for the edit, remember folks, we live in a society where it is consumer driven not government mandated, so what say you HD KOMRADES???
post #4331 of 4636
Quote:
Originally posted by sateck01
what dont you people get?????

the feds and the fcc never MANDATED HD, ever!!!!!!

they mandated digital broadcasting to replace analog

THAT IS IT

END OF STORY

digital is to replace analog so they can re -sell the analog spectrum

my god , get over the hd "THING"
We get it just fine. Nothing to get over. We know there is no mandate for HD.

We also know the networks went in front of Congress and said they needed the digital spectrum specifically for HDTV. We also know Congress has repeatedly told the over-the-air networks if they renege on the HDTV promise, the existing digital TV spectrum use would be reevaluated and potentially reallocated.

Sounds like you are the one that doesn't get it.
post #4332 of 4636
Quote:
Originally posted by Ken H

Sounds like you are the one that doesn't get it.
My thoughts exactly.
post #4333 of 4636
Thank you, Ken. This IS an HDTV forum, something the "leader in high definition" seems to know or care very little about. It appears that watching HD is also something that the trolls in this thread (won't mention any names, sateck01) don't care much about. Go find another thread where you can waste your time and others' by adding countless posts that contribute absolutely "0" to the conversation at hand. TAKE A HINT......your posts have no credibility in this thread. I wish you and the "HD leader" all the best.
post #4334 of 4636
When will this thread cease?
post #4335 of 4636
Quote:
Originally posted by dm145
When will this thread cease?
When Voom goes dark.

More off-topic comments deleted.
post #4336 of 4636
Some of us actually come here and scroll down past the flame wars and read information and informed opinion. Surely there will be a little bit of post-VOOM news to post and read as well?
post #4337 of 4636
We'll probably give a couple days to make sure any immediate issues are addressed (disposition of STBs, etc.). We can always start a new thread if/when any post-death Voom issues arise.
post #4338 of 4636
Quote:
Originally posted by CPanther95
We'll probably give a couple days to make sure any immediate issues are addressed (disposition of STBs, etc.). We can always start a new thread if/when any post-death Voom issues arise.
Eight days left, and they have still not told what to do with the leased STB's:o
post #4339 of 4636
Thread Starter 
VOOM DOOM: DIRECTV Tosses Lifeline to VOOM Customers
Friday April 22, 12:48 pm ET
Limited Time Offer Includes $200 Mail-in Rebate Applied Toward DIRECTV HD or DIRECTV HD DVR Receivers


EL SEGUNDO, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--April 22, 2005--VOOM customers, despairing over the loss of their HD service, which goes dark at the end of this month, have been thrown a lifeline by DIRECTV. DIRECTV is offering a $200 mail-in rebate on its HD equipment exclusively to VOOM customers who will be without service when the company ceases operation on April 30, 2005.

All VOOM customers have to do is purchase a DIRECTV® HD System before June 30, 2005, subscribe to any TOTAL CHOICE® programming package for one-year and activate the DIRECTV® HD package, and they can get three months of free DIRECTV HD programming. VOOM customers can also get a DIRECTV HD system installed for as low as $99, after a $200 mail-in rebate or apply the rebate toward the purchase of a DIRECTV HD DVR. To take advantage of the offer, current VOOM customers must go to www.directv.com/VOOM to download a $200 mail-in rebate form and send it with proof of a VOOM subscription and new DIRECTV HD System activation.

"VOOM customers need not despair over the loss of their HD programming," said Neal Tiles, executive vice president, Marketing, DIRECTV, Inc. "Our offer provides VOOM customers with an easy way to join the DIRECTV HD family, and thanks to unprecedented HD programming growth, including the launch of new HD programming during the second half of this year, there's never been a better time to become a DIRECTV HD customer."

As a leading provider of HD programming, DIRECTV offers HD feeds from all four major broadcast networks - ABC, CBS, NBC and Fox (in select markets) - and an HD package that includes ESPN HD, Discovery HD Theater(TM), HDNet, HDNet Movies and Universal HD, and is available by subscription for $10.99 per month. ESPN2 HD will be added to the HD package later this year at no additional charge. DIRECTV customers with HD-enabled equipment can also receive HBO® HDTV and SHO® HD as part of their premium package subscriptions, as well as HD Pay Per View movies for $4.99 each (when ordered by remote).

DIRECTV also airs more than 100 NFL games in HD during football season via a tiered upgrade of its exclusive NFL SUNDAY TICKET(TM) package.

To access DIRECTV HD programming, customers may purchase a DIRECTV-enabled high-definition set-top receiver or HD DVR and a single 18 x 20-inch multi-satellite dish with three LNBs. DIRECTV-enabled HD receivers and triple LNB satellite dishes are available from authorized DIRECTV retailers, such as Circuit City and Best Buy, nationwide.
post #4340 of 4636
No thanks, E* will do it for me. Can't go without TNT-HD for the NBA playoffs starting this weekend!!!
post #4341 of 4636
Quote:
Originally posted by pace1313
VOOM DOOM: DIRECTV Tosses Lifeline to VOOM Customers
Friday April 22, 12:48 pm ET
Limited Time Offer Includes $200 Mail-in Rebate Applied Toward DIRECTV HD or DIRECTV HD DVR Receivers


EL SEGUNDO, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--April 22, 2005--VOOM customers, despairing over the loss of their HD service, which goes dark at the end of this month, have been thrown a lifeline by DIRECTV. DIRECTV is offering a $200 mail-in rebate on its HD equipment exclusively to VOOM customers who will be without service when the company ceases operation on April 30, 2005.

All VOOM customers have to do is purchase a DIRECTV® HD System before June 30, 2005, subscribe to any TOTAL CHOICE® programming package for one-year and activate the DIRECTV® HD package, and they can get three months of free DIRECTV HD programming. VOOM customers can also get a DIRECTV HD system installed for as low as $99, after a $200 mail-in rebate or apply the rebate toward the purchase of a DIRECTV HD DVR. To take advantage of the offer, current VOOM customers must go to www.directv.com/VOOM to download a $200 mail-in rebate form and send it with proof of a VOOM subscription and new DIRECTV HD System activation.

"VOOM customers need not despair over the loss of their HD programming," said Neal Tiles, executive vice president, Marketing, DIRECTV, Inc. "Our offer provides VOOM customers with an easy way to join the DIRECTV HD family, and thanks to unprecedented HD programming growth, including the launch of new HD programming during the second half of this year, there's never been a better time to become a DIRECTV HD customer."

As a leading provider of HD programming, DIRECTV offers HD feeds from all four major broadcast networks - ABC, CBS, NBC and Fox (in select markets) - and an HD package that includes ESPN HD, Discovery HD Theater(TM), HDNet, HDNet Movies and Universal HD, and is available by subscription for $10.99 per month. ESPN2 HD will be added to the HD package later this year at no additional charge. DIRECTV customers with HD-enabled equipment can also receive HBO® HDTV and SHO® HD as part of their premium package subscriptions, as well as HD Pay Per View movies for $4.99 each (when ordered by remote).

DIRECTV also airs more than 100 NFL games in HD during football season via a tiered upgrade of its exclusive NFL SUNDAY TICKET(TM) package.

To access DIRECTV HD programming, customers may purchase a DIRECTV-enabled high-definition set-top receiver or HD DVR and a single 18 x 20-inch multi-satellite dish with three LNBs. DIRECTV-enabled HD receivers and triple LNB satellite dishes are available from authorized DIRECTV retailers, such as Circuit City and Best Buy, nationwide.
now that's a professional organization for you. way to go, directv. ;)
post #4342 of 4636
Based on my experience with DirecTV, if you do go with them, try to get an even better deal, something free thrown in, ask for a supervisor on the phone if need be, ask for the retention department if need be (and yes I know this doesn't qualify as "retention" but that's what some of us have done to get extras out of D* in the past).

---

Re: No notice yet on the STB's.... how does this compare with other services that went down? Were customers notified by now?
post #4343 of 4636
Smart move by D*. They've created a press release to get free advertising ;)
post #4344 of 4636
FWIW Dept.: A Voom reseller here locally (Akron, OH) still hasn't gotten the memo.

There's a small display ad in today's Beacon Journal for Voom installation, complete with a number - 1-VOOM-IS-HDTV.

(That's an 866 number masquerading under those letters. :D)

I'm tempted to call them and ask them if they've heard the news...
post #4345 of 4636
Isn't that generally what press releases are for, Walter L. -- to get free press? :)
post #4346 of 4636
Quote:
Originally posted by Inundated
FWIW Dept.: A Voom reseller here locally (Akron, OH) still hasn't gotten the memo.

There's a small display ad in today's Beacon Journal for Voom installation, complete with a number - 1-VOOM-IS-HDTV.

(That's an 866 number masquerading under those letters. :D)

I'm tempted to call them and ask them if they've heard the news...
I bet that if you call and try to order they'll sell you E*, telling you that Voom was purchased by E*.
post #4347 of 4636
Quote:
Originally posted by Walter L.
I bet that if you call and try to order they'll sell you E*, telling you that Voom was purchased by E*.
I did just call the company (named, get this, "Instant-Lations"!), and the call went to voicemail. Darn, I was wondering!

The voicemail sounds like it's a young guy running the thing.

E*, by the way, unrelated to this...has a big full page ad in the Beacon today. Not aimed at Voom folks and not about HDTV, just general...
post #4348 of 4636
Quote:
Originally posted by CPanther95
We'll probably give a couple days to make sure any immediate issues are addressed (disposition of STBs, etc.). We can always start a new thread if/when any post-death Voom issues arise.
Why would you close it anyway? It doesn't ask for food... leave it open and we'll see... if no reason to post here, it'll sink by itself, no need for forced closing.
post #4349 of 4636
Quote:
Originally posted by joetoronto
now that's a profeesional organization for you. way to go, directv. ;)
SOmething has to balance out their blocky picture... ;) :p
post #4350 of 4636
Quote:
Originally posted by T2k
Why would you close it anyway? It doesn't ask for food... leave it open and we'll see... if no reason to post here, it'll sink by itself, no need for forced closing.
We'll probably just unstick it, not close it - although if it's just a lightning rod for mindless bashing - it'll probably get closed.
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