Why Not Crown? - Page 3

"I gonna give a link and back up my product knowledge.

www.proavmagazine.com "

This is just a link to a magazine's home page - was that your intention?

"here is a much better amp for about the same price brand new (even cheaper on ebay)

http://store.yahoo.com/djgear/xls202powam.html"

I'd go for the 402 for substantially more power for not that much more $.

Or for your case, Shelly, the Buttkicker amp as suggested. Needs no fans because it's digital and very efficient (I've got one).

The Crown has the advantage of 2 ch each with level control if you add transducers to a different piece of furniture that responds differently.

All that power! My couch might lift off the ground. Thanks for the suggestion. I'll look into the buttkicker amps and check with Crowson to see if they are appropriate for their transducers.

I don't want to wire the resistor into the Crown amp if I can find an equally inexpensive and more powerfful amp like a buttkicker. thanks thogh on how to quiet the fan on the Crown amp.

Shelly

"This is just a link to a magazine's home page - was that your intention?"

Well Noah Katz I have few articles that i contributed over there and what about you?

I had a comapny that generated over 5million a year and ?

I 'am wiiling to tell all my experince in the field, the name of my former company and who's who in the industry.

Anyone else or are you all full of BS

Bob

good for you!

Damn..need to relax here guys.I thought we were just trying to have a civil conversation about pro amps..I don't care what pro amp you buy,I just want folks to take a peek at em...

brickie

"Damn..need to relax here guys.I thought we were just trying to have a civil conversation about pro amps..I don't care what pro amp you buy,I just want folks to take a peek at em..."

Agreed

Thats all I wish people would do.

Bob

I'm now seriously considering the Buttkicker BKA 1000-4.

It suggests wiring in parallel for 2 shakers.

It shows a diagram where the speaker wire to shaker A positive and the speaker wire to shaker B positive are joined together with a twist cap with the speaker wire to the amp positive channel. So 3 wires are joined together with the twist cap.

Isn't this similar to bi-wiring. I currently bi-wire my speakers by combining just 2 runs of speaker wire. The amplifier side has the two wires twisted together in a banana plug, and the individual wires on the other end go separately to the woofer and to the tweter posts.

Would this wire configuaration work as wiring in parallel.

Shelly

If you've got Aura shakers, that amp is WAY too powerful for them unless you have about 50 of them (otherwise you'll have to keep the gain way down, thus defeating the purpose of having a big amp). And don't use it for regular speakers.

Btw, has anyone had experiences with amps from "Legion Sound"? They are cheap on www.steelsound.com and I expect that they probably suck, but it doesn't hurt to ask, I suppose.

hi

I woke up thinking the same thing. But by keeping the Buttkicker amp's volume conrol at mid point, I may get wahat I want. I need to call them to find out what the rms is for 6 ohms and at what point on the volume control I can limit the amp to about 400 wpc.

I am using Crowson Tactile Transducers which, I think, can handle up to 500wpc.

I was back thinking about the Samson Servo 550, 275wpc 4ohms, available at several places for $250. Although Samson is not highly regarded here, it should work for these transducers. But I currently use a 175 wpc amp and it clips so I may need more power than the Samson provides.

Tomorrow I'll call both Samson and Crowson to discuss whther this amp would be appropriate.

Shelly

Well, I've got a big block 440 c.i. in my old Dodge P/U which will boil the tires at 1/2 throttle, but that don't keep it from movin' down the road with "controlled gain"...

Seriously, you might consider going ahead and going the BK amp route, because after you blow up those shakers, you'll probably want something a little more robust....like.......ummmmm.............the Buttkickers?!

Was watching a show last night on satellite where a guy had buttkickers attached individually to some seats!!!Had to be way over the top!!

brickie

You're correct. I spoke with tech support at Buttkicker (not the acatual name of the company) and no matter what level I set the volume at on the BK amp, using a preamp will override this, and with no clipping lights on the amp, I wouldn't have a clue as to when I approached the 500 wpc limit.

I'm sure that the Buttkickers are great transducers, but I chose to go with Crowson

I'm now looking at the Samson 1800, which will deliver 475wpc at 6 ohms. (400wpc at 8 ohms, 600 wpc at 4 ohms, 900 wpc at 2 ohms). Variable speed cooling fan. $350.

http://www.samsontech.com/products/p...1800&brandID=2

This may not be an audiophile choice, but seems to fit my parameters for running the Crowson transducers.



Shelly

You've left out quite a few amp manufactures. My personal list would go like:

Crown, Lab Gruppen, QSC, Crest, Camco, MC^2, Electrovoice, Ashly, Mackie, Peavey, Yamaha....

Stuff You have left out:
Lab Gruppen - Some truly awesome amplifiers www.labgruppen.se
Camco - Pretty nice amplifiers. Work nicely with Nexo systems www.camco-audio.com
MC^2 - Haven't heard a lot about, but they are above a lot of other stuff www.mc2-audio.co.uk
Ashly - Pretty big in the cinema arena from my understanding www.ashly.com

i only commented on amps that i have had personal experience with.....

bill99hawk -- you have a private message.

because mine relates to it.

I bought one of the Crown CE1000 for less than $200 on eBay. I was looking for the 402s and they seemed all be greater than that, so I figured what the hell. I'll try it out and put it back on eBay if I don't like it (it seems like mine was the second lowest it has gone for recently). I also checked out the 202s, be the CE1000 seemed to have quite a bit more power.

I haven't got it yet and it seems like the seller hasn't sent an invoice with even the shipping rate yet (I'll cancel if it takes too long).

But what's the main difference between the XLS vs. the CE series? I'll be using an HK 235 with Athena AS-F2s, which are pretty effecient (somewhere at 93dBs I believe).

The CE1000 have 275W/channel at 8Ohms, which is more than these Athenas are rated at.

I've heard the fans are noisy so I'll replace them (or use the resistor - or simply cut them - I won't be listening to it THAT loud and not for that long anyways).

So...has anyone actually compared the two models to each other and other than the fan speed, which one poster on a thread said was louder on the CE, and if so are there any audible differences? Is the XLS model higher up than the CE model. Also, should I be looking at balanced cabled? I'm thinking I may get longer length XLR cables (I may end up having teh amp in a difference room) so if anyone can recommend a site for decent priced good quality XLR RCA cables at long lengths (somewhere around 25 ft), I'd appreciate it.

Try D-Amp 8000HVI I have buy several last years and have sold all my I-Tech 8000 (before they break all one after the other one...). The D-Amp was lot lighter, smaller and my god LOT more powerfull!

Moiqui

"To good to be true" applies to allot, will it apply to these Gemsound amps? anybody tried them?

Check these out...http://www.carvin.com/products/dcmseries.php

I'm using three of the Carvin DCM1204s (4 channel amps, 300 wpc into 4 ohms) in my system and am very happy with them. I was a little worried that the fan noise might be too much, but once I mounted them in a rack with enclosed sides, they became inaudible from the listening area. I'm currently running the amps unbalanced to augment my aging Yamaha DSP-A1, but am hoping to replace that with an HDMI 1.3 pre-pro with balanced XLR outputs sometime soon.

From what I've seen, Crown may be a better way to go for 2 channel amps, but I wasn't prepared to give up that many rack spaces or power outlets. Having 12 channels of amplification in only 6 units of rack space was ideal for me.

WooooHoooo, Just got the go ahead from the boss, (read: The wife) to purchase the QSC RMX1450, went and checked it out at a local music store, and also used QSC power in my old road band and never had a problem with them under some very grueling conditions, Was actually looking at the 850 but being the smart shopper she is she pointed out the increase in wattage for the price, she is a good woman!!
That should drive the 15" Sound Splinter quite nicely, Hmm, what is going to be the best set up? Should I run one channel each to a 2 ohm DVC, or Bridge the amp and bring the dual 4 ohm to 2ohms?

Ya Robo, have never used them but always heard good things about the equipment and guitars, sounds like a great set-up.