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post #1141 of 8998
Galen,
Look around your diagnostic pages a bit more. The 500GB of Total space you noted is total space after the format and overhead only. You should be able to find a page that describes each partition, on each drive. Typically there will be three partitions per drive and your recording space available will be lower than expected. The AVFS partition will be the largest partition, and will indicate your true recording space available.

vegggas
post #1142 of 8998
Veggas,

I checked it out.

Here's what I know is installed.

Internal 160 WD (capacity 148.9 GB from DVR info screen)
External 400 Seagate (no info reported onf DVR info screen)

I am also going by the DVR AVFS which shows total usable. It shows the following:

AV size 500.7 GB
AV capacity 500.7 GB
AV used space + AV free space = 500.7 GB

I would be perfectly happy with the loss of 60 GB for formatting and OS if I could just buffer properly for live TV.

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post #1143 of 8998
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Originally Posted by galen View Post

Veggas,

I checked it out.

Here's what I know is installed.

Internal 160 WD (capacity 148.9 GB from DVR info screen)
External 400 Seagate (no info reported onf DVR info screen)

I am going by the DVR AVS which shows total usable. It shows the following:

AV size 500.7 GB
AV capacity 500.7 GB
AV used space + AV free space = 500.7 GB

remember this is passport echo which may have different menu screens than sara.

I have Passport. It should list the devices - drives - separately. AT least my 2.2.020 version does.
post #1144 of 8998
Veggas,

I have three dvr sub-menus


DVR INFO (internal DVR capacity{not free space} and model/ serial info)
DVR AVFS (reports availible usable recording space)
DVR ITFS (reports OS space in use)

I am also running only 1.8112. Are you able to run an external drive without any issues on version 2?
post #1145 of 8998
You should be able to see partition information for the buffer as well. I'm not in front of my machine, but there should be three partitions for each drive. The buffer will MOVE between the two depending on which drive has more free space.

Also, an earlier post mentions a cold reboot as unplugging the unit. To rebuild the OS data, do a hard reboot by holding down the power button while applying the power cable. Continue to hold for about 5- 10 seconds, or until you get a circular pattern on the screen.

What do you guys think about keeping the Passport info in this thread for now as opposed to starting a new passport thread? Seems the data is very similar so far, and the mods could eventually change the thread title if needed.

vegggas
post #1146 of 8998
I think we should keep Passport in this thread (and change the title if appropriate). It is interesting to see what is happening with the "other" folks. Plus, I for one, participate in some other forums (Yahoo groups) that don't separate the two - so it is useful to know what is happening.

One issue that has not been resolved (I think) is the version of Passport that this works on. Could it be that this (eSATA) is a separate piece of software that is downloaded to enable it? Or perhaps something in firmware. What would the explanation be that it works (sort of) for galen with 1.8.112 but not for pepar with 2.2.020?
post #1147 of 8998
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Originally Posted by vegggas View Post

You should be able to see partition information for the buffer as well. I'm not in front of my machine, but there should be three partitions for each drive. The buffer will MOVE between the two depending on which drive has more free space.

Also, an earlier post mentions a cold reboot as unplugging the unit. To rebuild the OS data, do a hard reboot by holding down the power button while applying the power cable. Continue to hold for about 5- 10 seconds, or until you get a circular pattern on the screen.

What do you guys think about keeping the Passport info in this thread for now as opposed to starting a new passport thread? Seems the data is very similar so far, and the mods could eventually change the thread title if needed.

vegggas

SARA or Passport, the thread is 8300HD & SATA. I don't see a need to have a separate thread. Besides, it would be a lonely thread for quite some time.

I take galen at his word that it works, but I don't know what to make of it as I know that Aptiv is actively working on a version that supports SATA, the inference being that present versions do not.
post #1148 of 8998
DaveHancock,

The recording fucntionality works flawlessly. I am able to record and watch without issue. My only issue is the buffer functionality. It is just not buffering live TV, which I know is not 100% perfect.
post #1149 of 8998
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Originally Posted by davehancock View Post

One issue that has not been resolved (I think) is the version of Passport that this works on. Could it be that this (eSATA) is a separate piece of software that is downloaded to enable it? Or perhaps something in firmware. What would the explanation be that it works (sort of) for galen with 1.8.112 but not for pepar with 2.2.020?

Honestly? I've never tried it. I accepted conventional wisdom along with the answer from my cableco's tech director that it's not presently supported, but will be in an upcoming firmware update. IOW, I "assumed."
post #1150 of 8998
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Originally Posted by galen View Post

DaveHancock,

The recording fucntionality works flawlessly. I am able to record and watch without issue. My only issue is the buffer functionality. It is just not buffering live TV, which I know is not 100% perfect.

Perhaps the upcoming version will address all of the incidentals involved with adding an external drive, including the one you mention. Perhaps it has basic functionality now, but with "issues."
post #1151 of 8998
DaveHancock,

From what I have read, the sidecar functionality must be enabled. It is possible that it is not enable 2.2 version that it didn't work on.
post #1152 of 8998
There is also the fact that Galen did not see any screens associated with the external connection. I don't think any of that software is written yet...

vegggas
post #1153 of 8998
Well folks just wanted to let you know...

29 hours and still recording.

At this point I have recorded enough to ensure that the AVFS screen is true and that I am recording on the second drive.

I will keep you all posted on the live tv buffer issue.


--Veggaas I tried the power button trick while applying power. It didn't do anything just booted as usual.
post #1154 of 8998
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Originally Posted by vegggas View Post

There is also the fact that Galen did not see any screens associated with the external connection. I don't think any of that software is written yet...

vegggas

Yeh, but it's Passport software - so the existing SARA paradigms may not apply.
post #1155 of 8998
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Honestly? I've never tried it. I accepted conventional wisdom along with the answer from my cableco's tech director that it's not presently supported, but will be in an upcoming firmware update. IOW, I "assumed."

Well, what are you waiting for? DMILANI tried it even when his cableco said it didn't work. You've been so active on this subject.
post #1156 of 8998
Please remember that I never got a phone call from my cableco telling me the sata port was active. I just tried it again because I got a newer 8300 and hoped it would work.
post #1157 of 8998
I did a little digging on the Vantec NST-360SU-BK.
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Produc...ffiliate=yahoo

This looks like a really nice enclosure but I'm wondering if anyone has used this successfully.

It says it comes with an eSata to eSata cable, so if it works with the 8300, it's actually cheaper than the E-POWER EP-301SA/COMAC eSATA - SATA combo, which seems to get the most consistently positive feedback on this thread. I like the styling of it too, so if I can get a case&cable for < $50 "AND" it works, it seems like a no brainer.

Is the lack of a fan a real issue or is that just Chicken Little talking?
post #1158 of 8998
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Originally Posted by davehancock View Post

Well, what are you waiting for? DMILANI tried it even when his cableco said it didn't work. You've been so active on this subject.

Good point. I had been waiting for 500GB SATA-II drives, and now I'm waiting for them to drop in price, figuring that they'd be more affordable by the time the upgrade happens. Plus, I don't know what I'd do with a 500GB drive right now if it *didn't* work.

Still, maybe I'll wrangle something together to try it after my upcoming Mexican holiday . . .
post #1159 of 8998
eSATA vs SATA/150 internal connection..

Is there a reason NOT to get an SATA II drive from a compatibility standpoint. I know its not necessary as far as the 8300 goes, I'm looking at the WD SE WD2500JS SATA II drive because its a couple bucks cheaper than its SATA/150 cousin.

I'm leaning towards the WD2500JS with the Vantec NST-360SU-BK case. Does anyone have any reason to believe that's not a good combination?
post #1160 of 8998
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Originally Posted by jtymann View Post

I did a little digging on the Vantec NST-360SU-BK.
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Produc...ffiliate=yahoo

This looks like a really nice enclosure but I'm wondering if anyone has used this successfully.

It says it comes with an eSata to eSata cable, so if it works with the 8300, it's actually cheaper than the E-POWER EP-301SA/COMAC eSATA - SATA combo, which seems to get the most consistently positive feedback on this thread. I like the styling of it too, so if I can get a case&cable for < $50 "AND" it works, it seems like a no brainer.

Is the lack of a fan a real issue or is that just Chicken Little talking?

I like the Vantec enclosure as well. It's a good-looking enclosure but the question marks here are 1) Does it need a fan or does the metal case suffice 2) When will it be available 3) will it work well with the 8300HD and 4) the website mentions compatibility with drives up to 400GB so I wonder if a 500GB drive would work or not.

Also, the blue light on the front has to go...I don't like light pollution when I'm watching movies.

If you get one of these, please report back and let us know how it works out.

Drivie
post #1161 of 8998
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Originally Posted by drivie View Post

I like the Vantec enclosure as well. It's a good-looking enclosure but the question marks here are 1) Does it need a fan or does the metal case suffice 2) When will it be available 3) will it work well with the 8300HD and 4) the website mentions compatibility with drives up to 400GB so I wonder if a 500GB drive would work or not.

Also, the blue light on the front has to go...I don't like light pollution when I'm watching movies.

If you get one of these, please report back and let us know how it works out.

Drivie

Enclosures that say anything about speeds supported have circuitry in the path to the output. Usually, those enclosures have multiple interfaces requiring the electronics. Some enclosures are solely SATA and usually have no circuitry. Any size drive available now or in the future will work in them.
post #1162 of 8998
Quote:
Originally Posted by drivie View Post

I like the Vantec enclosure as well. It's a good-looking enclosure but the question marks here are 1) Does it need a fan or does the metal case suffice 2) When will it be available 3) will it work well with the 8300HD and 4) the website mentions compatibility with drives up to 400GB so I wonder if a 500GB drive would work or not.

I'll let you know - I just ordered one - though I'm fine for now with a 250GB drive

http://newsite.pagecomputers.com/sto...ct%5Fid=974023


Quote:
Originally Posted by drivie View Post

Also, the blue light on the front has to go...I don't like light pollution when I'm watching movies.

Drivie

Wirecutters baby...
post #1163 of 8998
Quote:
Originally Posted by jtymann View Post

I'll let you know - I just ordered one - though I'm fine for now with a 250GB drive

http://newsite.pagecomputers.com/sto...ct%5Fid=974023




Wirecutters baby...

Yikes, looks like you are taking your life into your own hands ordering from Page.

http://www.resellerratings.com/seller1830.html

If you do get it, please keep up informed.

Thanks,

Drivie
post #1164 of 8998
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Originally Posted by drivie View Post

Yikes, looks like you are taking your life into your own hands ordering from Page.

http://www.resellerratings.com/seller1830.html

If you do get it, please keep up informed.

Ouch... there are some pretty scary experiences there. I was going off the Price Grabber reseller ratings which are much more favorable:
http://www.pricegrabber.com/rating_g...386/m=15722408

But either way, it looks like they have a habit of listing things as being in stock when they don't have access to them. I think I'm going to hold my breath and hope for the best

I'll keep you posted
post #1165 of 8998
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Originally Posted by galen View Post

Please remember that I never got a phone call from my cableco telling me the sata port was active. I just tried it again because I got a newer 8300 and hoped it would work.

Galen,

That is some truly amazing news!!!

I am in Bergen County, NJ and I believe that we are both part of TWCNY. I am going to try this tonight and report back.

I suspect, that the live buffer is exactly what others have said here. There requires an allocated area on the "active recording" disk for live buffering and it would appear that just by installing the 2nd drive, this area was not created on it. If my theory is correct, you might try the following...
1) Fill up the 2nd drive until it has less remaining capacity than the internal drive
2) delete a couple of shows from the internal drive so that will by default become the "default recording drive"
3) I bet the live buffer will work again until the "default recording drive" switches back to the external drive.

If this is correct, then there was a suggestion to force an OS rebuild (previous entry in this thread) which may take care of the problem by creating a "live buffer" region on the external drive as well.

Here's to you for being the first successful Passport/Sata user.
I am hoping to be the 2nd....
post #1166 of 8998
hotsko,

Good luck just remember, it only worked for me on a 8300 with firewire/sata.

Hope you are the lucky second!

So far I have about 51 hours of only hd recorded.

I have studied the behavior of the box and learned that the box is buffering it is just not allowing me to forward and rewind/pause under certain conditions. If I watch a channel for a few minutes then press record, it actually saves the program from the moment I changed to that channel but still will not let me move within the show. If I schedule a show and turn to the channel after it starts the recording I am able to move within the show to the beginning or end and fast forward or rewind.

To sum up it is always buffering but I don't have the ability to manipulate the stream during live tv or unscheduled recordings at the time I record.

Also, found another anomily.

VOD does not work properly. Although I can access and play the VOD streams I get vertical blue blinds that cover the entire picture which makes it unwatchable. Occurs on all VOD channels. The cableco was stumped on that one too. Never heard of it before, I even spoke with the VOD "specialists" to no avail. They want to swap the dvr.

Anyone else have this problem with VOD?
post #1167 of 8998
Anyone know how to reload the OS on the PASSP ECHO?

I tried the power button while applying power cord but it didn't work.
post #1168 of 8998
Quote:
Originally Posted by galen View Post

Anyone know how to reload the OS on the PASSP ECHO?

I tried the power button while applying power cord but it didn't work.

Galen,

Let me know if the situation changes when the external has less capacity than the internal drive.

VOD is interesting. If you remove the external drive does VOD go back to normal?

Are you in Manhattan?
post #1169 of 8998
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Originally Posted by hotsko View Post

Galen,

That is some truly amazing news!!!

I am in Bergen County, NJ and I believe that we are both part of TWCNY. I am going to try this tonight and report back.

I suspect, that the live buffer is exactly what others have said here. There requires an allocated area on the "active recording" disk for live buffering and it would appear that just by installing the 2nd drive, this area was not created on it. If my theory is correct, you might try the following...
1) Fill up the 2nd drive until it has less remaining capacity than the internal drive
2) delete a couple of shows from the internal drive so that will by default become the "default recording drive"
3) I bet the live buffer will work again until the "default recording drive" switches back to the external drive.

If this is correct, then there was a suggestion to force an OS rebuild (previous entry in this thread) which may take care of the problem by creating a "live buffer" region on the external drive as well.

Here's to you for being the first successful Passport/Sata user.
I am hoping to be the 2nd....

VERY INTERESTING! This is what I've been awaiting. Last month, I got a new 8300 from Brighthouse Cable here in Central Florida, and if you guys can get an external drive to work w/Passport then I'd like to give it try as well. Please keep posting your results.
post #1170 of 8998
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Originally Posted by cajieboy View Post

VERY INTERESTING! This is what I've been awaiting. Last month, I got a new 8300 from Brighthouse Cable here in Central Florida, and if you guys can get an external drive to work w/Passport then I'd like to give it try as well. Please keep posting your results.

Well, you might have to wait a bit longer. I got home and first installed my new seagate 500 SataII in an external case with an eSata cable. I rebooted several times and the Passport 8300HD WITH Firewire (1 month old) running 1.8.112 never saw the drive.

Then, I replaced this drive with an 80Gb external SATA with a SATA 1 to eSATA cable, again no luck.

STB was rebooted several times.

All times the DVR info never mentioned a 2nd drive. DVR AFPS still shows 148.9Gb total and presently I have 6oGB used and 82GB free.

So I see no indication at all the the 8300HD sees either of these drives at all.

Galen, do you think you can post the firmware, OS version, etc from the STB diagnostics so that I might compare? This is driving me nuts!

Thanks,
Harold
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