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post #5671 of 8998
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Yes, of course it will help. It will help reinforce that that item is pretty much guaranteed to work. I've seen quite a few posters who looked at the database and then pretty much ignored it, or came up with an entirely different conclusion on a particular combo. Repetition is good.

Exactly. With a database like this with user error and other issues causing noise in the data you need as much data as possible to get accuracy.

Thanks,
xnappo
post #5672 of 8998
'k. Done!

Harold
post #5673 of 8998
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Originally Posted by xnappo View Post

Exactly. With a database like this with user error and other issues causing noise in the data you need as much data as possible to get accuracy.

Thanks,
xnappo

I like that - "noise in the data."
post #5674 of 8998
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Originally Posted by xnappo View Post

Apricorn or WD? The cable can make a difference if it isn't making good contact. If it is an Apricorn I would be interested to know what drive is inside.

xnappo


I have the Western Digital 500GB DVR Expander. It's a real pain. Just pausing a live show, rewinding it a bit, and then playing again starts the glitches going every time.
post #5675 of 8998
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Originally Posted by sanitystream View Post

I have the Western Digital 500GB DVR Expander. It's a real pain. Just pausing a live show, rewinding it a bit, and then playing again starts the glitches going every time.

Hmm that is a bummer since others have been successful with it. The good news is since you bought something that is specifically for DVRs you should be able to get support from WD. It could be a bad cable or a bad drive. One person I remember actually DID have a bad box too. For me I live close to a TWC customer service building, so I would temporarily try another box... I guess just try to eliminate variables starting with the least painful to swap out.

xnappo
post #5676 of 8998
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Originally Posted by pittpa View Post

Argh. Sleep mode, sounds like another complication. And the cables sure seem like a wild card, based on the reviews. Thanks for the input, though. Now I have improved my search methods and also read further into the 8300 manual. They advise a hard drive should have no switch and should power up on being plugged in. If I lose power, the Freeagent Pro will not power back up on its own when power is restored, I tried it. Granted I could buy a UPS for my 8300 and the Seagate, but that won't cure the sleep problem. I think I will go back to the drawing board (and the chart). The chart seems real short considering the length of this thread. Now to find a tutorial on selecting components and building an external hard drive.

Defeating the sleep mode isn't a big deal though the weird connector at the Chasis base may be.

On the strength of the freeagent working in a similar ap for TiVo users, the fact that I already bought the unit and the local Costco is an hour away and that no HD I've ever bought was big enough in the end, I'm sending for a SIIG cable (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16812191016) to try as others have used it successfully with the Freeagent.

This will probably take a week or so to get. Pittpa: if you haven't yet returned your Freeagent, I'll be happy to let you know if I manage to get mine to work.

Has anyone here tried the Siig cable? I'm not trying to start one of those audiophile "does cable matter" debates. There is chatter all over the net about some ESata cables just like some HDMI cables simply not working reliably.
post #5677 of 8998
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Originally Posted by Hilo Hairy View Post

Has anyone here tried the Siig cable? I'm not trying to start one of those audiophile "does cable matter" debates. There is chatter all over the net about some ESata cables just like some HDMI cables simply not working reliably.

I seem to remember the Tivo guys having a problem with the cable that comes with that drive. I think it may have been once where the connector was too short for most ports.

xnappo
post #5678 of 8998
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Originally Posted by xnappo View Post

Hmm that is a bummer since others have been successful with it. The good news is since you bought something that is specifically for DVRs you should be able to get support from WD. It could be a bad cable or a bad drive. One person I remember actually DID have a bad box too. For me I live close to a TWC customer service building, so I would temporarily try another box... I guess just try to eliminate variables starting with the least painful to swap out.

xnappo

Yep,

That would be me with the bad box. Had glitches and early termination of recordings. After trying several cables, HD's and enclosures I finally traded in the old box for a new box and have had perfect recordings ever since.

Thank god I was able to re-task all that extra hardware I bought.
post #5679 of 8998
SA8300HD boxes start screwing up as drive gets filled. When I added my eSATA, all problems stopped. getting a new, empty box will solve issues in the same way.
post #5680 of 8998
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Originally Posted by xnappo View Post

I seem to remember the Tivo guys having a problem with the cable that comes with that drive. I think it may have been once where the connector was too short for most ports.

xnappo

actually, no sata cable comes with it. I'm theorizing that one problem is that many then buy the cheapest cable on the net and that can lead to problems.
post #5681 of 8998
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Originally Posted by Hilo Hairy View Post

actually, no sata cable comes with it. I'm theorizing that one problem is that many then buy the cheapest cable on the net and that can lead to problems.

No cable is better than a cheap one that the buyer would be lulled into using. But you're right, some would complain and buy the cheapest they could find. While others would be glad their money for the enclosure wasn't wasted on an inferior cable and promptly go out and get a good one.
post #5682 of 8998
I will look for Hilo Harrys' report, but I returned my Seagate Freeagent Pro to Costco. I was less than optimistic about it and did not want to have to modify it. The Siig cable would have been my choice if I had opted to buy one from Newegg. The Apricorn comes with a cable, so the overall cost is little more than the Seagate. I will miss the 5-year warranty on the Seagate. The Seagate eSata 7200 external drive also looks promising, with 5 positive results.
post #5683 of 8998
Ok, I am new to this and have some ?'s. I am TWC Hudson Valley with the Passport software. If I were to buy, say the Apricon DVR Xpander 500g what exactly would I loose. Would it only be while watching live tv pause, rewind, and fastforward wouldn't work? Or will I not be able to fast forward through commercial breaks on the shows I record or hit the replay button when I miss something quick.
I would love to expand the recording capacity but if I loose this for non live stuff maybe its not for me.
post #5684 of 8998
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Originally Posted by dabooki View Post

Ok, I am new to this and have some ?'s. I am TWC Hudson Valley with the Passport software. If I were to buy, say the Apricon DVR Xpander 500g what exactly would I loose. Would it only be while watching live tv pause, rewind, and fastforward wouldn't work? Or will I not be able to fast forward through commercial breaks on the shows I record or hit the replay button when I miss something quick.
I would love to expand the recording capacity but if I loose this for non live stuff maybe its not for me.

First, it a VERY good idea to put system, box, software, and location as a signature (like me). All are really critical to getting a decent answer. If you hadn't listed what you did I wouldn't even bother to respond, I got sick of always seeming to post a question to a question!).

Yes you would be hit with the "trick play" bug. No RR or FF for recordings that you "live pause." Live pause means working from the one hour buffer.

This does NOT happen with a recorded program, that is NOT coming from the buffer.

I tend to pause live a LOT, so this is significant for me. Others ONLY watch from a recording, so it matters not.
post #5685 of 8998
I just bought a fancy new surge protector, so I'll need to unplug all my electronics from my old one. I'm not going to lose my recordings when I uplug my WD Expander and my 8300 STB, am I?

Thanks,
Harold
post #5686 of 8998
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Originally Posted by hcour View Post

I just bought a fancy new surge protector, so I'll need to unplug all my electronics from my old one. I'm not going to lose my recordings when I uplug my WD Expander and my 8300 STB, am I?

Thanks,
Harold

Harold, you need to turn the 8300HD off at the front power switch. Next, remove AC power from the box - unplugging it from the outlet works. After doing those things, you can power down the external drive. Do the external drive's power cord first and power it up. Then, plug the 8300HD into the surge suppressor and power it up. After booting, turn it on. If all went well - there are no guarantees - you should see a text message that says something to the effect of "your external drive is now working." YOu may need to hit a button on the remote to acknowledge that.

Make sure the data cable is securely plugged into both the drive and DVR. Good luck!
post #5687 of 8998
Ok, thanks, Pepar. Should get the new surge protector next wk. I'll cross my fingers.

H
post #5688 of 8998
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Originally Posted by Riverside_Guy View Post

First, it a VERY good idea to put system, box, software, and location as a signature (like me). All are really critical to getting a decent answer. If you hadn't listed what you did I wouldn't even bother to respond, I got sick of always seeming to post a question to a question!).

Yes you would be hit with the "trick play" bug. No RR or FF for recordings that you "live pause." Live pause means working from the one hour buffer.

This does NOT happen with a recorded program, that is NOT coming from the buffer.

I tend to pause live a LOT, so this is significant for me. Others ONLY watch from a recording, so it matters not.

Thanks for the response. What if when you're just watching live tv and you may want to be able to pause, replay etc, you unplug the external drive or power it off? Would this bring it back to normal behavior or just cause problems? As long as I'm able to fast forward, rewind, pause, and replay recorded shows/movies I think I'd be fine but I do on occasion hit pause on live tv to go do something or hit replay.
post #5689 of 8998
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Originally Posted by dabooki View Post

Thanks for the response. What if when you're just watching live tv and you may want to be able to pause, replay etc, you unplug the external drive or power it off? Would this bring it back to normal behavior or just cause problems? As long as I'm able to fast forward, rewind, pause, and replay recorded shows/movies I think I'd be fine but I do on occasion hit pause on live tv to go do something or hit replay.

That does not sound like a really workable solution... and quite possibly may cause other unexpected consequences (like for whatever reason you CAN'T get the external drive to be recognized).

One "work-around" that I don't want to use is to make an actual recording when you want to "pause live." I tried it once or twice and found major issues (the "recording" only had the already viewed content, it stopped at the point I stopped watching the live... so it's more complicated than simply hitting the record button, there must a few more button presses (ya gotta do a few "other" things for that scheme to work)).

Yes, those functions should work 5/5 for previously recorded content.
post #5690 of 8998
R_G,

Instead of hitting the Record button, have you tried selecting it from the guide and then setting it to record? I'm not talking about scheduling it ahead of time. I'm talking about while you are watching, bring up the guide and select Record from there. I don't know if this might make a difference and enable you to get the whole buffer and not end early. I don't have Passport, so this is just a thought.
post #5691 of 8998
Just wanted to post here now that i got my external eSata drive working. I've been lurking ever since I switched to TWC here in MNanhattan last month and initially purchased a Seagate Free Agent 500 Gig eSata/Usb 2.0 drive. I tried and tried, but had no luck with the Seagate. The 8300 HDC would see the drive, but report that it was "bad". End of story. I tried a bunch of times with different cables, etc. but no luck. I had a friend that needed an external, so it gave me the excuse to try again with the Western Digital 500 GB MyDVD Expander. It arrived this morning( i ordered it direct from Western Digital) and i had it up and running in about 5 minutes. Reported space used went from 38% to 9% after reboot. I am able to pause, ff and rewind live tv with no problems. (the screen does go blank for a few seconds when i first hit pause, but then no delays after that). The WD drive, btw, is a lot cooler and comes with a very solid esata cable. It also is easy on the eyes, unlike the seagate which looked like a pumpkin with its bright orange light.

Since I just got it this morning, I'll have to post about any glitches (hopefully there will be minimal) later, but wanted to get my results posted for other TWC NYC people who are on Digital Navigator and are unsure what drive will work.

tjw00
post #5692 of 8998
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Originally Posted by tjw00 View Post


Since I just got it this morning, I'll have to post about any glitches (hopefully there will be minimal) later, but wanted to get my results posted for other TWC NYC people who are on Digital Navigator and are unsure what drive will work.

tjw00

Thanks for the report and DB entry. Can you do me a favor and also put in your failure too?

xnappo
post #5693 of 8998
Thanks for all the info riverside guy. Its a big help. Is there one drive/enclosure that is above the rest when it comes to smooth sailing? I'm thinking 500gb because of price. I like the Apricorn in the fact that it matches the dvr. Also, I read something about studdering when the drive reaches 70% full. Is that still a problem?
post #5694 of 8998
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Originally Posted by xnappo View Post

Thanks for the report and DB entry. Can you do me a favor and also put in your failure too?

xnappo

ok, done. Also added my navigator version to both.

btw, thanks for the site!
post #5695 of 8998
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Originally Posted by tjw00 View Post

ok, done. Also added my navigator version to both.

btw, thanks for the site!

No problem - thanks a lot.

xnappo
post #5696 of 8998
The Apricorn case solved the glitching I was getting with the Rosewell. The Apricorn enclosure is what I would now recommend.

Tony


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Originally Posted by tony57 View Post

Well, still getting glitches even with the DB35. As was suggested on this forum, it might be the Rosewell enclosure. I'm going to give it a try now with the Apricorn as was recommend here (and good new is that it now has a $15 rebate)

I'll post my results with with the Apricorn / Seagate DB35 in a couple of weeks.

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Originally Posted by tony57
I have a Seagate DB35 Series 7200.3 on order. This drive is supposed to be opimized for DVR's ("The 500GB DB35 7200.3 3.5" Disc Drive for DVRs redefines value for high-capacity systems and delivers performance optimized for DVR storage and optimization.")

I should have it in a couple of days and I'll post my results after I give it a workout.
post #5697 of 8998
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Originally Posted by tony57 View Post

The Apricorn case solved the glitching I was getting with the Rosewell. The Apricorn enclosure is what I would now recommend.

Tony

Congrats on success! Sorry it took you a few tries to get there, but at least you did! Please update the database with your passing/failing cases when you get a chance.

xnappo
post #5698 of 8998
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Originally Posted by tony57 View Post

The Apricorn case solved the glitching I was getting with the Rosewell. The Apricorn enclosure is what I would now recommend.

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What kind of "glitching", specifically, were you getting from the Rosewill case?

I have the Rosewill, get sound dropouts and occassional pixelization glitches. Not sure, however, if that is coming from HD feed.
post #5699 of 8998
That is exactly what I was getting with the rosewill (sound dropouts and pixelization glitches.) It wasn't too bad, about 1 glitch evey 30 minutes or so. I've only had about 2 glitches over 20 hours with the Apricorn.


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Originally Posted by skanter1 View Post

What kind of "glitching", specifically, were you getting from the Rosewill case?

I have the Rosewill, get sound dropouts and occassional pixelization glitches. Not sure, however, if that is coming from HD feed.
post #5700 of 8998
A weired problem just started happening.

I have an apricorn enclosure with a 320GB WD drive. It worked flawlessly for about 2 months.

Now every once in a while the recorded program I'm watching will freeze and the red HD indicator light on the external HD goes out then after anywhere from 1 - 5 seconds the light goes back on and the recorded program I'm watching will continue to play.

This happened 3 or 4 times while recording and watching. 3 times when it happened the recordings in progress were fine and one time the recorded program terminated early.

When the DVR is off (in standby or not recording) I have not seen the external HD light go out which tends to point to the 8300 causing it.

Anyone notice anything similure with there setups?
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