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post #5821 of 8998
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Originally Posted by xnappo View Post

It really isn't that limited. Only pay channels seem to have 5C in Austin at least. The biggest problem is you can only get a clean recording using a Mac...

xnappo

Well, yes, it does depend on location and cableco. One can check various channels in the diagnostics (at least for SARA) to see how the flags are set. Locals are generally set to Copy Freely while others are up to the cableco, etc.
post #5822 of 8998
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Originally Posted by danno321s View Post

I gave up on the Seagate FreeAgent Pro 750GB eSATA drive.

I thought I was meaner and smarter than others here.

I programmed my FreeAgent 750's firmware to never turn off, reformatted its drive, gave it a new name and bought it an expensive E-Sata cable. About all I didn't do for it was buy it new lingerie from Victoria's Secret.

None of the above allowed it to be recognized by my Sara, Time Warner 8300HD. #**@#ing wasted Sunday.

It was so cheap though, I think I'll keep it and buy a new case for the drive.
post #5823 of 8998
BTW, on the issue of an 8300 being a "computer" or not.. of course it is a computer, a handheld calculator or a digital watch is a computer. I think an abacus and a person's brain can be considered a "computer".

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com·put·er
n.
-A device that computes, especially a programmable electronic machine that performs high-speed mathematical or logical operations or that assembles, stores, correlates, or otherwise processes information.

-One who computes
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-it's just not a "PC", but it is very similar to one in many ways.

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personal computer
-noun
a microcomputer designed for individual use, as by a person in an office or at home or school, for such applications as word processing, data management, financial analysis, or computer games. Abbreviation: PC

[Origin: 1975-80]
post #5824 of 8998
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Originally Posted by BWX View Post

BTW, on the issue of an 8300 being a "computer" or not.. of course it is a computer, a handheld calculator or a digital watch is a computer. I think an abacus and a person's brain can be considered a "computer".

Yes, this whole fun conversation could have been avoided if Dave had said 'PC' instead of 'computer' which is of course what he meant.

To answer Dave's car question - no a car is not a computer, however they usually contain quite a few.

xnappo
post #5825 of 8998
Oh good grief! Not everything with a processor and storage is a computer, personal or otherwise. Our 8300HDs are DVR/tuners. Controlling the functions is a processor. My Acura is a car with a processor and memory. Our Jenn-Air is a refrigerator, our Advantium is an oven, my IR RDC-7 a pre/pro and my Mororola V3i a cellphone. All of them have processors and memory, but they are not computers. It could be said that they contain computers, but they are not computers themselves.
post #5826 of 8998
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Oh good grief! Not everything with a processor and storage is a computer, personal or otherwise. Our 8300HDs are DVR/tuners. Controlling the functions is a processor. My Acura is a car with a processor and memory. Our Jenn-Air is a refrigerator, our Advantium is an oven, my IR RDC-7 a pre/pro and my Mororola V3i a cellphone. All of them have processors and memory, but they are not computers. It could be said that they contain computers, but they are not computers themselves.

Sorry, I beg to differ(though your last sentence has us close to agreement) - by definition anything that performs computations is a computer - this can also be a human (or a horse?). A car's engine controller is very much a complex computer. Not worth arguing about though - we will have to agree to disagree.

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com·put·er /kəmˈpyutər/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[kuhm-pyoo-ter] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. Also called processor. an electronic device designed to accept data, perform prescribed mathematical and logical operations at high speed, and display the results of these operations. Compare analog computer, digital computer.
2. a person who computes; computist.

Just because a lot of people use the word 'computer' to mean 'personal computer' does not change the definition (at least not yet )

xnappo
post #5827 of 8998
Sorry as I haven't been able to read through but a portion of this thread, but from what I can tell, all that is required is to plug the esata enclosure in and go. Is there a step by step how to enable if this is not the case? How can I set the 8300 to use external instead of the internal? Anyway to copy alreay recorded stuff over from the internal to the external?
Thanks and sorry for the newbness.
post #5828 of 8998
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Originally Posted by xnappo View Post

Sorry, I beg to differ(though your last sentence has us close to agreement) - by definition anything that performs computations is a computer - this can also be a human (or a horse?). A car's engine controller is very much a complex computer. Not worth arguing about though - we will have to agree to disagree.

No disagreements here because you seem to be making my point: A car's engine controller is a computer . . the car's engine controller is a computer. It's a car whose engine's controller is a computer, not the car.

Your sub-conscious seems to agree with me!
post #5829 of 8998
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

No disagreements here because you seem to be making my point: A car's engine controller is a computer . . the car's engine controller is a computer. It's a car whose engine's controller is a computer, not the car.

Your sub-conscious seems to agree with me!

Agreed

xnappo
post #5830 of 8998
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Originally Posted by biffbyun View Post

Sorry as I haven't been able to read through but a portion of this thread, but from what I can tell, all that is required is to plug the esata enclosure in and go. Is there a step by step how to enable if this is not the case?

I don't know about any step by step, but many people have tried hot-plugging (plug in cable while both units are On) and gotten things to work. Also, sometimes it can take 3-4 reboots before the external drive is recognized.
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How can I set the 8300 to use external instead of the internal?

You can't, at least not without a lot of hassle managing your saved recordings, etc., and it's just not worth all that. It uses whichever drive has the most available space. It's not like the Dish DVR.
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Anyway to copy alreay recorded stuff over from the internal to the external?

No. It's not like a computer in that regard.
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Thanks and sorry for the newbness.

We were all new at one time.
post #5831 of 8998
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Originally Posted by xnappo View Post

Yes, this whole fun conversation could have been avoided if Dave had said 'PC' instead of 'computer' which is of course what he meant.

My bad! You are almost right (how about a Mac, etc.?). I should have really used the term "general purpose computer".

But, the reason that we got onto this topic on this thread is that all too often, folks expect the 8300 to act like a general purpose computer. And that is wrong.

I note that as you made this post, it happened again:

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Originally Posted by biffbyun View Post

Sorry as I haven't been able to read through but a portion of this thread, but from what I can tell, all that is required is to plug the esata enclosure in and go. Is there a step by step how to enable if this is not the case? How can I set the 8300 to use external instead of the internal? Anyway to copy alreay recorded stuff over from the internal to the external?

IT'S NOT A (General Purpose) COMPUTER!

IT'S NOT A (General Purpose) COMPUTER!

IT'S NOT A (General Purpose) COMPUTER!

post #5832 of 8998
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Originally Posted by davehancock View Post


IT'S NOT A (General Purpose) COMPUTER!

IT'S NOT A (General Purpose) COMPUTER!

IT'S NOT A (General Purpose) COMPUTER!


Haha - okay now on to the next horse

xnappo
post #5833 of 8998
The 8300 is defined as a "computer appliance" the operating system commands and functions are hidden to the user and only leaves the software interface to operate the unit.
post #5834 of 8998
Wait, so the 8300 is a computer?
post #5835 of 8998
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Originally Posted by DoubleDAZ View Post

It uses whichever drive has the most available space.

so should I fillup the internal beforehand so it doesn't use it?
My concern is that once the internal has more space than the external, it will use that HD to record and I won't be able to switch between the 2.
post #5836 of 8998
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Originally Posted by biffbyun View Post

so should I fillup the internal beforehand so it doesn't use it?
My concern is that once the internal has more space than the external, it will use that HD to record and I won't be able to switch between the 2.

Ahh - the beauty of this not being a (general purpose) computer! Don't worry about it, the 8300 knows where everything is, so it worries about what goes where.
If you have SARA (and I believe that what Howard County has), the fact that you have an external drive is totally transparent to you (except that you have more capacity). According to Scientific Atlanta, the 8300 always puts the program on the drive that as the most available space (on a % basis). So initially, most everything will go on the external drive.
post #5837 of 8998
Niiiiiiiice.
post #5838 of 8998
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Originally Posted by biffbyun View Post

Niiiiiiiice.

You might not think so if you have to swap your 8300 for another one as all your recordings, including those on the external drive, will be lost. That's why we caution folks against trying to use it like a general purpose computer for long term archiving. Record all you want, but try to view it relatively soon in case of a failure. Nothing wrong with then keeping the recording for subsequent viewing. I know quite a few folks record series for summer viewing, and there is nothing wrong with that as long as you know of the potential danger.
post #5839 of 8998
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Originally Posted by Hilo Hairy View Post

I thought I was meaner and smarter than others here.

I programmed my FreeAgent 750's firmware to never turn off, reformatted its drive, gave it a new name and bought it an expensive E-Sata cable. About all I didn't do for it was buy it new lingerie from Victoria's Secret.

None of the above allowed it to be recognized by my Sara, Time Warner 8300HD. #**@#ing wasted Sunday.

It was so cheap though, I think I'll keep it and buy a new case for the drive.

Since we all appear to be off-topic, I just had to say that this post had me laughing out loud - particularly the bit about Victoria's Secret....
post #5840 of 8998
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Originally Posted by davehancock View Post

My bad!

But, the reason that we got onto this topic on this thread is that all too often, folks expect the 8300 to act like a general purpose computer. And that is wrong.

IT'S NOT A (General Purpose) COMPUTER!

IT'S NOT A (General Purpose) COMPUTER!

IT'S NOT A (General Purpose) COMPUTER!


Guess you didn't catch the multiple times I said it was NOT like a general purpose computer! And THAT is 100% because the OSes APIs are very much NOT exposed, nor is there a SDK.

However, FUNCTIONALLY is "acts" like a computer, it has a processor, it has RAM, it has software. As such, it must be judged as any "computing device." As such, I have every right to think and believe that it HAS to act like a "computing device."
post #5841 of 8998
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Originally Posted by wlemunyon View Post

The PC is a year and a half old HP Media Center PC m7470n with 2 SATA connectors on the motherboard, the original hard drive is connected to the first SATA connector and I connected the Hitachi 500gb to the second SATA connector. In the BIOS it says the SATA-1 adapter is enabled. I go to Disk Management and rescan but it does not find the disk. I use DISKPART and rescan, but it does not find the disk.

Does the BIOS have an entry to enable the SATA-2 adapter? I have a Dell machine here that has four SATA ports, and the BIOS has an entry for EACH port.

Jack
post #5842 of 8998
Funny (and OT) question for this thread, but are there any cablecard, non-DVR HD set top boxes out there? I need an HDMI hi-def tuner and the only one Comcast is offering up is the 8300HD - for another $22/mo.
post #5843 of 8998
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Originally Posted by CactusJack View Post

Does the BIOS have an entry to enable the SATA-2 adapter?
Jack

You mean like a computer?
post #5844 of 8998
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Funny (and OT) question for this thread, but are there any cablecard, non-DVR HD set top boxes out there? I need an HDMI hi-def tuner and the only one Comcast is offering up is the 8300HD - for another $22/mo.

SA makes other models (8300C, 8240C, 4240C, etc.), but what does Comcast do for those who just want HD and no DVR? They don't force everyone to take an 8300HDC, do they?

Edit: Sorry, I didn't note the HDMI requirement. I'd check the models out, but if Comcast doesn't offer them, why waste the time?
post #5845 of 8998
Computer, schmuter, what a waste of bandwidth.
post #5846 of 8998
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Funny (and OT) question for this thread, but are there any cablecard, non-DVR HD set top boxes out there? I need an HDMI hi-def tuner and the only one Comcast is offering up is the 8300HD - for another $22/mo.

Just out of curiosity, why do you need a STB with a cable card? My provider has HD STBs, in fact we have one. It's an SA, forget the number, something like 3500.
post #5847 of 8998
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

You mean like a computer?

Wait....it's NOT a computer? But, but, but, it has SATA ports...
post #5848 of 8998
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Originally Posted by DoubleDAZ View Post

SA makes other models (8300C, 8240C, 4240C, etc.), but what does Comcast do for those who just want HD and no DVR? They don't force everyone to take an 8300HDC, do they?

Edit: Sorry, I didn't note the HDMI requirement. I'd check the models out, but if Comcast doesn't offer them, why waste the time?

I've seen the cable system in Buffalo (once Adelphia, now TW) issue 8300HDs to anyone who wanted a HD STB. In those cases, they did not enable the DVR fuction. Perhaps they were just using the 8300s when they did not have HD STBs in stock, but it was something (as late as this June) that they were doing for some HD customers. I assume that still may be a business practice with the "C" versions.
post #5849 of 8998
I bought 5 of these 1TB Western Digital drives for a RAID project I have
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822136151 and of course I was curious how they perform with the 8300HD and if they work it all so I installed it in one of the two Vantec enclosures I've been using for a year and half and they're flawless. These drives are the coolest and quietest I've ever had but a little expensive for fun use.
I'll run it for a week or two and I will update.

PASSPORT Echo 2.6.002
post #5850 of 8998
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Originally Posted by Meteor View Post

I bought 5 of these 1TB Western Digital drives for a RAID project I have
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822136151 and of course I was curious how they perform with the 8300HD and if they work it all so I installed it in one of the two Vantec enclosures I've been using for a year and half and they're flawless. These drives are the coolest and quietest I've ever had but a little expensive for fun use.
I'll run it for a week or two and I will update.

PASSPORT Echo 2.6.002

WOW! However, there have been enough reports on 500G drives that issues crop up when it gets over 1/2, 2/3 full... leading to speculation it may be the limited RAM at play as an assumption has been made the RTOS always loads the directory into memory and may not update it from disk near as much as a proper computing device does.

Watch it carefully as you add content to that external drive.
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