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post #211 of 433
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Originally posted by DTV TiVo Dealer


I connected the indoor Silver Senor OTA antenna and scanned for local channels. It picked up 21 HD OTA channels, more than any other ATSC tuner. The picture is rock solid on all 21 channels. We are surrounded by 6 story apartment buildings in very direction, and our store is on the street level. No other ATSC tuner could even pick up one channel.


-Robert

VE Advanced Digital Technology Dealer

Robert,

It seems that this 5th gen chip is helping solve mulitpath issues. Have you had the chance to schlep one of these new TV's home and check out it's sensitivity. Are you able to lock on with a weaker signal that the 4200?
post #212 of 433
Thread Starter 
Well, LG is supposedly planning on selling their 5th chip to dozens, or even hundreds, of companies. It is only a matter of time before one of them figures out how to use it properly and puts it in a set top box. I'll buy one when I can get one for $200. or less.

IB
post #213 of 433
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Originally posted by inky blacks
Well, LG is supposedly planning on selling their 5th chip to dozens, or even hundreds, of companies. It is only a matter of time before one of them figures out how to use it properly and puts it in a set top box. I'll buy one when I can get one for $200. or less.

IB

Exactly!
post #214 of 433
The two HDTV's I tested, listed above, exhibited better sensitivity and terrific and unbelievable multi-path rejection vs. any other ATSC tuner I have ever seen before.

However, in almost all applications the current LST-4200A will still deliver a excellent HD ATSC and or QAM HD signal to your HD ready TV.

In the RARE instance where you need better sensitivity and selectivity (multi-path rejection) hopefully you can raise your OTA antenna to the tallest peak of your roof and point it directly to your broadcast tower to achieve the same results.

In the mean time anyone looking for a new HDTV and who will be using cable and or OTA you should seriously consider one of these new advanced technology HDTVs.

-Robert

VE Advanced Digital Technology Dealer
post #215 of 433
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Originally posted by DTV TiVo Dealer
hopefully you can raise your OTA antenna to the tallest peak of your roof and point it directly to your broadcast tower to achieve the same results.

I am pretty sure I could get LOS of the transmitting antenna if I had a 500 foot mast.
post #216 of 433
Thread Starter 
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Originally posted by DTV TiVo Dealer

In the RARE instance where you need better sensitivity and selectivity (multi-path rejection) hopefully you can raise your OTA antenna to the tallest peak of your roof and point it directly to your broadcast tower to achieve the same results.

-Robert

VE Advanced Digital Technology Dealer

The main interest in the 5th chip is from people who live in apartments and condominiums, where you do not own the "peak of your roof" and cannot even have an outdoor antenna. If I tried to put a antenna on the top of my four story apartment building, my landlord would first shoot me and then evict my corpse.

IB
post #217 of 433
Legally, you can put a TV antenna on your balcony or patio, as long as it's an area under your exclusive use or control (in other words, not an area that is normally accessible to other residents). This does not mean that the condo/homeowners' association or building management may not enter the area for the purpose of inspection and/or repair; it just means that it's an area you own or rent for your personal use. This right is granted under the "Restrictions on Over-the-Air Reception Devices" section of the Telecommunications Act of 1996, as amended. The law preempts area zoning ordinances and rental or homeowner association covenants and restrictions on DBS dish, local broadcast TV, wireless cable and broadband access antennas. The FCC has mandated that no landlord, condo association or other organization, or any city or state can disallow anyone with deeded space or a private balcony or patio (in the case of an apartment) the right to put up a satellite dish or TV antenna under one meter in size (or any size in Alaska). Nor can they require a permit, advance notification, the payment of any fee or force the owner or tenant to move the dish or antenna if they don't like its appearance. Under some circumstances, the availability of a central or common antenna can be used by a community association or landlord to restrict the installation of your individual antenna, provided that the common dish or antenna provides access to your desired programming with a quality of reception at least equal to what you can get on your own. Also, it must not cost you any more than an individual antenna to install or operate. This law does not allow you to place a dish or antenna on common areas that are owned by a landlord or community association, or jointly owned by condominium or cooperative owners, such as the roof, hallways, walkways or exterior walls of a condo or apartment building. So you are absolutely right -- the peak of your roof is off limits! You can read about your rights here.
post #218 of 433
Robert,

Do you know if there will be a newer version of the LG3410 DVR with this 5th gen chip? Thanks.

John

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Originally posted by DTV TiVo Dealer
Their is no replacement for the LST-4200A as of yet.

The new shipment of LG merchandise is all HDTV's and a new DVD up-converting players recorders and DVD/VCR combo recorders.

One item is a newly designed 50" plasma with a built -in HD DVR.

I am working ou getting the new models up on my site with links to LG's pdf data sheets. These items are so new LG has not yet updated their site and they are not in most stores yet.

-Robert

VE Advanced Digital Technologies Dealer
post #219 of 433
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Originally posted by DTV TiVo Dealer
It picked up 21 HD OTA channels, more than any other ATSC tuner.

Robert, was this 21 RF channels, or 21 channels total (including sub-channels)? If it was 21 RF channels, what other city were you receiving??
post #220 of 433
21 channels including sub-channels.

-Robert

VE Advanced Digital Technology Dealer
post #221 of 433
I'd like to correct a common misperception shown in one of the
above posts in this thread ... it is the phrase "your broadcast tower".
As if all stations are in the same direction.

Where I live, the stations are, or will be when they come on:

PBS: 23 miles w
ABC: 33 miles wsw
WB: 34 miles wsw
NBC: 69 miles wsw
FOX: 68 miles wsw
FOX: 45 miles nw
FOX: 23 miles ne (and behind a hill)
NBC: 15 miles e
PBS: 45 miles s

It is impossible to reliably get all networks with one
commercial antenna pointed one direction. It would be
if you could get an omnidirectional UHF antenna with
say 6 or so bays. But you can't.

Doug McDonald
NBC:
post #222 of 433
This is a question for Bob,
Do you happen to know if the new LG LCDs, for example the 26lx1d, have the 5th gen chip in it?
post #223 of 433
post #224 of 433
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Originally posted by ccjgil
This is a question for Bob,
Do you happen to know if the new LG LCDs, for example the 26lx1d, have the 5th gen chip in it?

Yes it does have the 5th generation ATSC tuner built-in. It also has a NTSC and clear QAM tuner.

You can download the pdf here http://www.*********************/images/pdf/h_26lx2d.pdf
It loads slow, so be patient.

-Robert

VE Advanced Digital Technology Dealer
post #225 of 433
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Originally posted by DTV TiVo Dealer
Well I am seriously impressed with LG's 5th generation ATSC tuner. Today we put out two new LG HDTVs, Model #52SX4D 52" and Model DLP w/the HD3 DLP chip set and the 30FZ4 30" CRT Direct View, both have built-in 5th generation ATSC LG tuners.

I connected the indoor Silver Senor OTA antenna and scanned for local channels. It picked up 21 HD OTA channels, more than any other ATSC tuner. The picture is rock solid on all 21 channels. We are surrounded by 6 story apartment buildings in very direction, and our store is on the street level. No other ATSC tuner could even pick up one channel.

You can see these TVs at http://*********************/DLP,%20L...ew%20HDTVs.htm

I am amazed and as impressed as I could ever imagine possible. This advanced technology ATSC tuner make ATSC work reliably.

-Robert


VE Advanced Digital Technology Dealer


Robert, do they make a 34 inch model?
post #226 of 433
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Originally posted by TimGoodwin
Robert, do they make a 34 inch model?

LG has a 32" and a 37", no 34" LCD for this year. LG started shipping this week many new HDTV's with integrated 5th generation ATSC tuners. They also have built-in NTSC and QAM tuners. Some are also CableCard ready.

Here's the pdf data sheet on the new 37". http://*********************/images/pdf/LG%2037lP1D.pdf . I do not have the 32" data sheet available yet. Most of these new products are not yet on LG's site. I was able to get most of the pdf data sheets in advance from the LG dealer site.

These new LCD HDTV's are have new chassis and are very well designed. The new 50" and 60" HD DVR plasma look stunning. The black framed plasma display is mounted on a black plate. The plasma display is offset on the back plate and appears to be "floating". It's a very clean architecturally designed flat panel HDTV-HDVR. Here's a link from the dealer site. http://us.lge.com/PlasmaDVR/home.html

Many are in stock now and lots more are in-transit to us now.

-Robert

VE Advanced Digital Technology Dealer
post #227 of 433
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Originally posted by inky blacks
Well, LG is supposedly planning on selling their 5th chip to dozens, or even hundreds, of companies. It is only a matter of time before one of them figures out how to use it properly and puts it in a set top box. I'll buy one when I can get one for $200. or less.

Today Mark Schubin and Bob Miller tested a prototype STB by an unnamed vendor in Mark's apartment known as a difficult multipath environment. This receiver was not made by LG, but supposedly uses their 5th gen chip. Here is Mark's report:

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Bob Miller brought over the latest version (I'm not permitted to say whose). It was much better than last time (comparable to a good 4th-generation rather than not as good as a second generation, as the last one was) but still nothing like the 5th-generation LG.

With a loop antenna, it seemed to be sensitive to us moving around the room. With a Silver Sensor, it didn't seem to be, but different antenna orientations brought in different stations.

In all of the tests, we could get WNBC-DT, WWOR-DT, and WFUT-DT solidly. Depending on antenna and orientation, we could also get WCBS-DT, WABC-DT, WNYW-DT, WPIX-DT, WXTV-DT, and WNJN-DT solidly. In one antenna position and orientation, the receiver sniffed WFME-DT, but it did not appear to decode anything. I'm not certain that was a DTT problem. The receiver crashed once, and once wouldn't decode WABC-DT audio until the channel was changed and changed back. It's also possible the station wasn't transmitting any pictures.

Regarding numbers of channels, WNBC-DT, WNYW-DT, WABC-DT, WWOR-DT, and WPIX-DT were all multicasting two programs. WNJN-DT was multicasting six channels. WFME-DT appears to have been multicasting ten channels (it was the last time we received it, too). So, counting minor channels, the receiver sniffed out at least 29 "channels."

Performance degraded the farther the antenna was from the window.

There did not appear to be much of a correlation between the "signal strength" reading and reliability (except that when we got a signal strength of zero we got nothing).

TTFN,
Mark
post #228 of 433
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Originally posted by DTV TiVo Dealer
LG has a 32" and a 37", no 34" LCD for this year. LG started shipping this week many new HDTV's with integrated 5th generation ATSC tuners. They also have built-in NTSC and QAM tuners. Some are also CableCard ready.

Here's the pdf data sheet on the new 37". http://*********************/images/pdf/LG%2037lP1D.pdf . I do not have the 32" data sheet available yet. Most of these new products are not yet on LG's site. I was able to get most of the pdf data sheets in advance from the LG dealer site.

These new LCD HDTV's are have new chassis and are very well designed. The new 50" and 60" HD DVR plasma look stunning. The black framed plasma display is mounted on a black plate. The plasma display is offset on the back plate and appears to be "floating". It's a very clean architecturally designed flat panel HDTV-HDVR. Here's a link from the dealer site. http://us.lge.com/PlasmaDVR/home.html

Many are in stock now and lots more are in-transit to us now.



















-Robert

VE Advanced Digital Technology Dealer


I'm sorry Robert I meant in the CRT model. I see the 30 inch was wondering if it came in a 34 inch?
post #229 of 433
My wife just got a LG cellphone from her company. I mentioned that LG had just come out with a line of HDTVs that eliminate breakups. My wife, who normally reacts to my HDTV information with a yawn, was immediately interested.

Robert, Do any of the LG 5th generation chipset TVs have firewire for connection to DVHS? If they do I might get one for my bedroom.

Edit: Checked the link privided and they do have firewire with DTV Link and a DVR. Sounds exciting.

Rick R
post #230 of 433
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Originally posted by TimGoodwin
I'm sorry Robert I meant in the CRT model. I see the 30 inch was wondering if it came in a 34 inch?

Sorry, 30" 16:9 direct view HD CRT is the only size available.

-Robert

VE Advanced Digital Technology Dealer
post #231 of 433
Thread Starter 
Will the court ruling today, throwing out broadcast flags, speed up or slow down OTA HDTV receiver development?

IB
post #232 of 433
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Originally posted by inky blacks
Will the court ruling today, throwing out broadcast flags, speed up or slow down OTA HDTV receiver development?

IB

inky blacks, let me give you my speculation that is based on an assumption.
This would be my speculation after the Supreme Court refuses an appeal on the recent ruling (if there is an appeal).
My assumption: Right now the LST4200a will not be sold after July. My assumption was that this is because of the broadcast flag requirement.
My speculation: The LST4200a will live on after July if/when the BF issue is completely dead. My hopeful speculation would be for the king of tuners, the LST4200a to then be upgraded with the fifth generation demodulator. This would make the king of receivers even better. Us early adoptors would then make this receiver the defacto standard. Where do people who are new to DTV/HDTV get the best information about DTV/HDTV? From their early adoptor friends who have the most experience. Others who are more unfortunate are being taught from the Big Box stores that an HDTV antenna is required to get HDTV.
A multipath killer receiver would also put LG in a great position for the analog cut-off. The cut-off will create a surge in STB demand.
I may be way off on this, but here's to hoping!
post #233 of 433
Thread Starter 
I hope you are right.

IB
post #234 of 433
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Will the court ruling today, throwing out broadcast flags, speed up or slow down OTA HDTV receiver development?

My own opinion is the broadcast flag would have greatly increased the cost of STB's while actually lowering their value to the consumer. That is not a prescription for enticing new manufacturers into the market.

If the BF is now dead then more CE manufacturers should be interested in exploring boxes with the LG 5'th gen chip if it is made available on good terms.

- Tom
post #235 of 433
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Originally posted by GSfromCT
My assumption: Right now the LST4200a will not be sold after July. My assumption was that this is because of the broadcast flag requirement.
My speculation: The LST4200a will live on after July if/when the BF issue is completely dead.

Actually, LG has already changed their mind. They at present plan to continue selling the LST-4200A through the end of the year.

Robert
post #236 of 433
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Originally posted by robert123
Actually, LG has already changed their mind. They at present plan to continue selling the LST-4200A through the end of the year.

Robert

Robert, that is great to hear.
Wouldn't it be the greatest surprise if the 4200a started shipping with the 5th gen demod?
I always thought part of the reason why the 4200a didn't sell even better than it is selling, was because the news about the 5th gen demod came out just before the 4200a hit the market.
post #237 of 433
Your are correct. I have not purchased the Lst-4200A because of the 5th gen news, including other manufactures. I was even thinking of a refurbished 4200A unit on Ebay, but decided waiting for upcoming new units would be a better choice (given the many press stories on advancements).

LG just extending the 4200a production probably will not increase sales without the anticipated 5th gen improvement. Old tech does not sell.
post #238 of 433
Thread Starter 
I doubt they are "extending production, just trying to sell off the stock they already have in hand.

IB
post #239 of 433
Hi folks

I just found the following at digital-connection the New Fusion 5 features LG's 5th Gen Tuner PC card . This baby is set to ship ETA 5-23-2005. I hope the new set top boxes with the 5th gen chip are coming next. Anyway I hope that maybe someone could give us more reviews of this chipset. I know it probably needs to be in the HTPC area. But I thought folks here might be interested in the news.
post #240 of 433
Has anyone read anything about how the LGDT3303 performs its magic?
I know the Linx Casper chip was using some DSP magic (I think it was some on-the-fly auto-correlation and digital filtering/signal shifting to make the pilot and the echo waves interfere constructively) to get their "5th generation" results, but I haven't read anything about how LG is going about the process. It'd be interesting to know if there's more than one way to skin the multipath cat.
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