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post #661 of 961
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Originally Posted by Hatfield View Post

I feel scammed. I tuned in to watch Grey's. Not the spinoff. I stopped watching after the first half-hour. Felt like the spinoff was about to turn into an orgy or something along the lines of Nip/Tuck.
I'll watch the DVR tonight and FFW through all the spinoff crap.

Good idea. That will leave you with about 15 minutes of Grey's.
post #662 of 961
The spin-off crap was utterly laughable. Not because it was funny, but because it was so lame. We were, indeed, scammed into watching that crap. I didn't give a damn about the characters or the Hollywood storyline. I like Adison's character and would hate to see her leave Gray's Anatomy over this show that would likely tank.

VERY mean on the part of ABC to make us watch two shows (one good one and one really bad one) within two hours.
post #663 of 961
I thought the back-door pilot was more entertaining than Greys. It seemed to deal with more mature themes than 20-something hormones, but maybe not worth watching on a weekly basis. I decided that the deal-breaker would be the voice in the elevator. As soon as I heard it, I decided that if the voice was in Addy's head, I wouldn't watch the series because it was heading in Ally McBeal territory. But if it turned out to be a security person, and stayed rooted in reality, I might watch episode 2.
post #664 of 961
I thought the spin-off story was a bit too Hollywood fluffy-like in character, but it is a pilot so I'll give it a few more views.

Getting back to Grey's, what was the deal with Thatcher's wife? Maybe I missed it, but did she die from having the hiccups? Did they ever tell us what the real problem was? I didn't get that subplot at all.
post #665 of 961
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Originally Posted by keenan View Post

I thought the spin-off story was a bit too Hollywood fluffy-like in character, but it is a pilot so I'll give it a few more views.

Getting back to Grey's, what was the deal with Thatcher's wife? Maybe I missed it, but did she die from having the hiccups? Did they ever tell us what the real problem was? I didn't get that subplot at all.

She went septic from complications with the operation they performed to stop the hiccups...

I couldn't believe Thatcher slapped Mer...that was just unbelievable...her life, is just, wow bad...I felt so bad for her at that point...
post #666 of 961
I was surprised at how weak I thought the pilot was.

Perhaps it was because almost all the actors we know from other shows. In "Grey's" the vast majority of the actors do not resonate in our memories from other programs, thus we can invest in George or Mer or the Nazi or Izzie and not have them carry baggage from others shows.

And I thought the writing in the pilot was far too Ally McBeal-esque (talking elevator? was it related to the dancing baby?) and the actors way too established in our minds as other characters.

And getting back to the Seattle story line, killing off Thatcher's wife seemed needless to me, and it cuts out a nice story arc which could always have reappeared periodically. That character had no need to die. It seemed like a cheap sweep stunt -- and it wasn't needed in the slightest.

Will I watch "Private Practice"? Sure, for a while. But Shonda better figure out a way to get us invested in this strange group of characters. And to make us -- quickly! -- forget about their characters in all the shows they have appeared in previously.
post #667 of 961
Shonda DID write the spin-off?! Ouch!
post #668 of 961
Anatomy of a Spin-off: A Rocky Start
By Matt Roush TV Guide Critic May 4, 2007

Watching Thursday night's underwhelming, overly frenetic backdoor pilot setup for the seemingly inevitable Grey's Anatomy spin-off, I was reminded how blown away I wasn't by the original Grey's pilot as well. The Grey's pilot had its problems, but this glossy new twist on the formula seems much more problematic.

When Grey's first appeared, with the pilot held for mid-season in a year when Lost and Desperate Housewives exploded on the scene and turned ABC's fortunes around, my initial thoughts were: Loved the cast. Liked the characters. But at first look, the reliance on heavy-handed voice-over (since dialed back a bit) and woe-is-me, life-as-an-intern-is-hard whining obscured many of the charms that would soon emerge, and it felt a bit generic.

By the end of that first half-season, though, I was hooked. The heightened mix of hospital drama and romantic comedy, lathered in torrid and twisty soap operatics, was infectious, and the wonderfully blended (by sex and race) cast pulled it off. At the very end of that mini-season, we were introduced to Addison (Kate Walsh), a significant spoiler in the Meredith-McDreamy relationship. And in one of the show's more pleasant surprises, what could have been a cliché (the brittle bitch of an ex-wife) evolved in the following season into one of Grey's richest characters: a brilliant but vulnerable woman picking up the pieces of her shattered personal life while acting as one of the more exacting yet compassionate mentors to the driven medical students on her watch. (That she took her attraction and flirtation with Alex to the next level? Well, this is Grey's Anatomy, with an emphasis on anatomy.)

Of all the characters on the show to build a spin-off around, Addison makes sense. She is still a bit of an outsider, and since there's no real future for her with Derek or the other horndogs on Seattle Grace's staff, let's see where her quest to be happy and free (the Chief's words) will take her.

Unfortunately, it took her to the New Age-y, touchy-feely Oceanside Wellness Group, which might as well be renamed L.A. Sex-pital. Grey's sometimes gets knocked for its Ally McBeal tendencies, but this place is infected by Ally-itis, with cringingly cutesy flourishes of forced whimsy at every turn. Everyone on the staff seems on the verge of a perpetual emotional breakdown or crying jag, and upon arrival, Addison launched into a silly stream of infantile babbling like an overripe Ally. Around the third or fourth time the elevator talked back to Addison, I found myself wondering where the unisex bathroom was. When Addison actually apologized to the elevator (before being introduced to the unseen security guard on the other side of the creepy surveillance camera), I really missed Seattle. (Although the stories going on back home at the mother ship weren't exactly inspired this week, either. Tell me you didn't see Mare Winningham's hours were numbered when she came in with that tragic case of hiccups.)

Back at Oceanside, the writing was forced, the chaotic atmosphere was instantly tiresome, but the cast couldn't be prettier. Tim Daly (who deserved a hit in Eyes and possibly The Nine), Merrin Dungey (looking luminous), Taye Diggs, Amy Brenneman, junior beefcake Chris Lowell, and my favorite because Shonda Rhimes writes nebbishes so well Paul Adelstein (a world removed from his Prison Break villainy) as a sad-sack doc who's turned to Internet dates that tend to backfire. Pretty solid ensemble there, although it's unclear if any of these characters (including Addison, as written in this episode) could actually carry the show. I'm not sure any one character has to. I just wish they'd all let up a bit.

Did I really need to hear Violet the neurotic shrink (Brenneman) describe her ex as smelling like pee? Or Dr. Feelgood Diggs remark, Don't talk about your penis while you hug another man. And so on. I almost expected to see Denny Crane as a guest patient. Maybe for November sweeps.

It's more fun than a stuffy hospital, Naomi (Dungey) told Addison about life at Oceanside. Which may be true, but one person's fun is another person's migraine.

Ordering up a Grey's Anatomy spin-off is, in business terms, a no-brainer. Does that mean the show has to be as well?

http://community.tvguide.com/blog-en...ocky/800014269
post #669 of 961
My wife watched the new show last night while I was working on my computer. I had to leave the room to go stick needles in my eyes.
post #670 of 961
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I almost expected to see Denny Crane as a guest patient. Maybe for November sweeps.

lol!
post #671 of 961
What garbage. Garbage writing, acting and casting. The spin off has absolutely no chance of survival. We made it about halfway through before we were FF'ing through all the LA scenes. I was embarrased for them all.

My wife doesn't get the surfer dweeb being the supposed eye-candy for the show. He's as mis-cast as he is as Veronica Mars' love interest.
post #672 of 961
All this talk about this spin-off show and how bad it looks already and it made me have to record ER in analog instead of digital-HD. I've since adjusted Grey's timer to catch the Friday replay....
post #673 of 961
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Originally Posted by CPanther95 View Post

What garbage. Garbage writing, acting and casting. The spin off has absolutely no chance of survival. We made it about halfway through before we were FF'ing through all the LA scenes. I was embarrased for them all.

My wife doesn't get the surfer dweeb being the supposed eye-candy for the show. He's as mis-cast as he is as Veronica Mars' love interest.

I agree, I was thinking that everytime they showed his character, the guy didn't even have a decent tan.
post #674 of 961
... and areolas the size of silver dollars.
post #675 of 961
'Grey's Anatomy'
The New Modern Woman, Ambitious and Feeble
By Alessandra Stanley The New York Times May 5, 2007

It's time to play the blame game.

Everything wrong with Grey's Anatomy and its soon-to-be spun spinoff is the fault of Ally McBeal.

Mary Tyler Moore and Marlo Thomas were early prototypes of the quirky but lovable career girl. David E. Kelley's hit series about a deeply neurotic lawyer named Ally McBeal marked a turning point in the devolution of women's roles in television comedy the moment when competent-but-flaky hardened into basket case.

Thursday's two-hour episode of ABC's Grey's Anatomy, in which Addison (Kate Walsh) has an emotional meltdown and flees Seattle Grace Hospital for a fancy wellness clinic in Los Angeles, serves as a prelude to a new, still untitled series centered on Addison and her new life in Southern California. It also suggests that the spinoff is doomed to be even sillier and more sex-obsessed than the original. And that is an achievement, considering that Grey's Anatomy managed to squeeze in love scenes for a disfigured, pregnant disaster victim with amnesia.

Sex isn't the problem with the new series; it's the subjugation. Addison looks up her old friend from medical school whose perfect marriage has just ended and finds herself enmeshed with two other mature, reputable professionals: a fertility specialist and a psychotherapist. All three women are lovelorn, sex-starved and prone to public displays of disaffection.

On Grey's Anatomy at least two female characters, Christina (Sandra Oh) and Dr. Bailey (Chandra Wilson) have confidence, big egos and an ability to keep their sorrows to themselves most of the time. The female leads on the new series are fragile and pitiable, and it's a worrisome imbalance. The HBO series Sex and the City made light of female insecurity and let its flighty heroines come out ahead. Here even the most successful women are left behind in life.

It wouldn't matter, since the show is admittedly over-the-top escapist fantasy for women, except that it is troubling that even in escapist fantasies, today's heroines have to be weak, needy and oversexed to be liked by women and desired by men.

Ms. Walsh, a tall, elegant beauty, looks enough like Catherine Deneuve for the resemblance to have been threaded into a subplot of one episode. Addison first showed up at the hospital as a coolly amused villainess who intimidated the show's heroine, Meredith (Ellen Pompeo). Over time and plot twists, her character evolved into a more likable colleague, but for some reason, that change required her to become dizzier, chattier and very much like the ever confused and self-doubting Meredith and, of course, Ally McBeal.

On Thursday's episode Addison thought she heard imaginary voices in the elevator, made inappropriate sexual comments to a stranger and was generally in need of a man; she turned swoony when a handsome, lecherous colleague kissed her in a stairwell.

Shonda Rhimes, who created Grey's Anatomy, also came up with the spinoff. Somehow, even in the hands of a woman, a show about female doctors finds humor and solace in their distress. Self-deprecation has been replaced with self-denigration.

People complain that hip-hop stars use obscene lyrics and lewd music videos to demean women. Sometimes, so do even the most bourgeois women's television shows.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/05/ar...gewanted=print
post #676 of 961
Grey's Anatomy: The Creator/Writer Explains
Shonda Rhimes on "The Other Side of This Life"/ ("Private Practice")
(from the Grey's Anatomy Grey Matter blog)
By Shonda Rhimes, May 4, 2007

So I owe you an explanation. For this episode (for these two episodes, I should say). I owe you that. You've stuck with me through Season Three and now you want answers, damn it! You want an explanation.

You are preaching to the proverbial choir. If you were a preacher and I was a choir. WhichI'm not a choir cause I can't sing but maybe you are actually a preacher andrambling. The point is, when I watch TV and things happen like the Scooby Gang raises Buffy out of her scary grave or Felicity goes back in time or they take their sweet time telling me what those numbers mean over on Lost...I get a little nutty. I sometimes get irate. Because these are my shows. These are my people. These are my FRIENDS THESE WRITERS ARE MESSING WITH.

I don't say this lightly. I am a hardcore TV watching fanatic. I was deprived of it as a kid. So now, as an adult, I am deep into it. I dig my TV. So when shows take leaps, I go a little out of my mind.

I go a little out of my mind, I shake my fist to the heavens, I tear at my hair and I ask the writing gods WHY?!!!!

WHHHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY?!!!!!!!

I go all drama on my own ass and then I lie back down on the sofa and keep watching. Mainly because I'm lazy and shaking one's fist to the heavens is exhausting. But also because I'm interested in seeing what happens next. And because the writers have asked me to leap and so I'm gonna leap with them.

Also because, now? Now I get it. I so totally get it. It's freakin' gotten.

Here's what happened to me:

I was sitting in the editing room one day watching Mer and Burktina and the gang doing all the stuff they do. I love the editing room - it's like this cocoon where I'm alone with the characters (and the editor) and it's where I get a lot of my ideas. And for the first time ever since working on this show, I got an idea that was Grey's Anatomy butnot Grey's Anatomy. It was something else. It was Addison driving down the freeway with her hair blowing all over her face. So I started writing it down, this not Grey's Anatomy idea. I started writing it down in secret because I knew Betsy and Shoots With No Script would very gently explain that I had lost my mind and then send in the guys with the strait jackets. Because we are very busy here at Greys. We don't have time for non-Grey's ideas. We are a hard-working people.

Except I had this idea and it had already worked its way under my skin and I had to write it down. Or else I'd get in one of those moods. Things happen when I'm in those moods. Things like Meredith drowning. And I love Mer and wanted to keep her away from the water. So I wrote it down. And I gave it to the studio and the network.

It became something. A script that was part-Grey's, part something else. And then it became news around town and suddenly my tiny little written down something was being paid a lot of attention by the outside world. Next thing you know, they're calling it a spinoff.

This episode, it's NOT a spinoff. It's Addison going down to LA to complete the story we've been laying out for her for two seasons. It's the culmination of Meredith's family story. It's Burktina and the wedding and Izzie, Callie and George and that hideous triangle they are stuck in. It's the beginning of the end of Season Three.

And I'm warning you now: the ride to the end of the season? You may want to buckle up and store your luggage in the overhead compartment because this ride is gonna be bumpy. I'll explain more after the finale. I'll talk about where we are headed in Season Four. Because I think Season Four is gonna rock. The fun is back in Season Four. But for right now, I guess I'll just talk about the here and the now. About what is right in front of us.

So. Even though we took this detour down to Los Angeles, what I want to talk about is what happened in Seattle. To Meredith. To Cristina. To Izzie. Because things are not working out the way they planned. George is leaving for Mercy West and Izzie feels responsible. Cristina's facing the fact that she's going to have to compromise what she wants yet again for Burke. And Meredithwell, Meredith is losing another mother. Worse, she's losing her father. And even worse than that, she may be losing Derek.

But my favorite moment is Alex. Who, when Ava asks him what happened to him that has made it so hard for him to connect, simply shrugs and says Maybe I don't remember. He remembers. But he can't face up to it. Not yet. Alex is the guy we know the least about and the one struggling the most. And I kinda love him for it. Because he wants to be a better guy - he's just not sure he IS a better guy.

In this episode, our people in Seattle all hit a crossroads while our girl in Los Angeles finds a new road altogether. I'm hoping you like the new road. I'm hoping I get a chance to show you how good this road can be.

But for now, the detour is over. Now, we've got the last two episodes of this season to bring to you. Where we are going might make you shake your fists to the heavens and scream. But we are leaping. So, if your sofa is comfy, maybe you could lie back down and leap with us?

http://www.greyswriters.com/
post #677 of 961
So I finally watched it last night... what a mess. First, can someone, anyone on the show just be happy and stay happy? To quote the show... seriously? The character I like most about now is Alex!!! And that's just wrong. The rest of them frankly could go poof in a plane crash. Especially Patrick Dempset. Seriously.
post #678 of 961
All I can say is:
Thank goodness I HD DVRd it instead of having to watch every second of it on it's live run. I found myself caring less about Addison and her trip to that clinic or whatever it was. It was so boring and clashed so much with the rest of Grey's that I hope that it does spin off to another doomed show so they can stop having to mesh that crap into Grey's episodes. After the first two scenes of Addison's little trip, I ended up jumping past every single scene of hers. What a mess indeed. It was in glorious HD, but I still couldn't bring myself to watch that complete mess. I only watched the Merideth, Izzie, George, Christina, Alex, and McDreamy scenes. Everything else was instantly jumped over after a few pushes of a single button, made possible through the magic that is HD DVR.
I love technology.

About the plot: Christina needs to get the corn cobb outta her butt and learn to compromise or live the rest of her life alone. That is what being married is all about. She needs to think about Burke and what he might want. When she was single she could have everything she wanted but if she wants to get married she needs to learn to sacrifice some things for the sake of the relationship. All of this is providing she loves Burke enough to make that sacrifice.
McDreamy needs to see that no career could ever take the place of a wonderful woman like Merideth and he should be ashamed of himself for giving her the cold shoulder after getting the sex from her that he wanted. He should he on his knees begging her forgiveness.
George needs to wake the heck up and see that him and Callie have absolutely nothing in common and jumped into marriage way too soon. He also needs his head examined when he has a woman like Izzie: a total hottie with a heavenly hard body that is head over heals crazy for him and wants to seriously jump his bones over and over again. Amazing women like that don't stay waiting too long, and from what I can tell Alex will be very alone and very available for her to fall back on. I'm sure he'd be more than happy to take her back and tend to her "needs".
post #679 of 961
I liked it it was as good as some of the funnier moments on Buffy.

Seriously with lines like these whats not to like...

"Where I come from, elevators tend to be this kind of aphrodisiac, you know? People get on them and just get all horny. ... It's a relief to be on a not-horny elevator."

"You're using fart logic!"

"Are you there elevator god? It's me Addison"
post #680 of 961
Siding with the "didn't like it" group re Addy's little sojourn to So Cal ... let's hope the spinoff is better.

Looks like we got more misery coming in GA ...
post #681 of 961
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Originally Posted by cocoon View Post

Seriously with lines like these whats not to like...

"Where I come from, elevators tend to be this kind of aphrodisiac, you know? People get on them and just get all horny. ... It's a relief to be on a not-horny elevator."

"You're using fart logic!"

"Are you there elevator god? It's me Addison"

I hope that's sarcasm.
post #682 of 961
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Originally Posted by CPanther95 View Post

I hope that's sarcasm.

What, that wasn't some of the finest, most intelligent dialog you've ever heard on TV..??
post #683 of 961
I don't want my TV shows to be too smart. I want to be able to relax and have fun. Granted my level of "fun" is just slightly above the sitcoms that I can't stand. If I want something kind of intelligent I listen to NPR . This is part of the reason why shows like Studio 60 don't get the big ratings. Every once in a while a show can pull off both like Boston Legal and even it barely gets enough viewers to stay alive.

Normally I would say if someone wants intelligence in entertainment find a book but since here we are all TV fans it doesn't really apply.
post #684 of 961
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Originally Posted by cocoon View Post

I don't want my TV shows to be too smart. I want to be able to relax and have fun. Granted my level of "fun" is just slightly above the sitcoms that I can't stand. If I want something kind of intelligent I listen to NPR . This is part of the reason why shows like Studio 60 don't get the big ratings. Every once in a while a show can pull off both like Boston Legal and even it barely gets enough viewers to stay alive.

Normally I would say if someone wants intelligence in entertainment find a book but since here we are all TV fans it doesn't really apply.

I agree! Great post dude.
post #685 of 961
I must be the only one here, but I liked what I saw of the spinoff while I watched Grey's yesterday. As the writer from the Times put it, it was Ally Mcbeal like and I liked Ally. You really can't tell too much from what we saw b/c it was somewhat disjointed but you could get a feel for what direction they want to take the show.

I agree with the point about the surfer guy being totally miscast. I don't buy him for one moment being a receptionist and I certainly don't buy the women getting all wet over him.
post #686 of 961
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Originally Posted by Netmaster View Post

All I can say is:
Thank goodness I HD DVRd it instead of having to watch every second of it on it's live run. I found myself caring less about Addison and her trip to that clinic or whatever it was. It was so boring and clashed so much with the rest of Grey's that I hope that it does spin off to another doomed show so they can stop having to mesh that crap into Grey's episodes. After the first two scenes of Addison's little trip, I ended up jumping past every single scene of hers. What a mess indeed. It was in glorious HD, but I still couldn't bring myself to watch that complete mess. I only watched the Merideth, Izzie, George, Christina, Alex, and McDreamy scenes. Everything else was instantly jumped over after a few pushes of a single button, made possible through the magic that is HD DVR.
I love technology.

About the plot: Christina needs to get the corn cobb outta her butt and learn to compromise or live the rest of her life alone. That is what being married is all about. She needs to think about Burke and what he might want. When she was single she could have everything she wanted but if she wants to get married she needs to learn to sacrifice some things for the sake of the relationship. All of this is providing she loves Burke enough to make that sacrifice.
McDreamy needs to see that no career could ever take the place of a wonderful woman like Merideth and he should be ashamed of himself for giving her the cold shoulder after getting the sex from her that he wanted. He should he on his knees begging her forgiveness.
George needs to wake the heck up and see that him and Callie have absolutely nothing in common and jumped into marriage way too soon. He also needs his head examined when he has a woman like Izzie: a total hottie with a heavenly hard body that is head over heals crazy for him and wants to seriously jump his bones over and over again. Amazing women like that don't stay waiting too long, and from what I can tell Alex will be very alone and very available for her to fall back on. I'm sure he'd be more than happy to take her back and tend to her "needs".

Really. McDreamy is experiencing the classic case of dating a girl that's too young. At some point you get tired of the childish behavior and you're focused on your career and she's whining about not spending enough time with you. Then to top it off, she's 22 and you're 30 and you tell her that you'll spend some time with her when you get a chance and she still isn't satisfied. She comes by your townhome when you aren't expecting it and it pisses you off. She then tries to use her tight little body that she spends all that time in the gym working on to try to distract you. You still love her and all but you're soooo over it. Ok, so McDreamy wants the top position, who wouldn't want it? If it means letting Meridith go, then so be it. It's better that he is honest about how much effort he'll have to put into the job and as such he is caring b/c he knows that the job would affect their relationship in a bad way.
post #687 of 961
Meridith can be at the least 25 years old, not 22. You have 4 years of college and then 4 years of medical school before you can be an intern. That would make her young, just not that young.
post #688 of 961
Actually, McDreamy needs to consider his involvement with Mer very carefully, afterall, this is a woman who tried to commit suicide, she obviously has some very serious psychological problems.

(of course, the showrunners can just wisk away those issues as easily as they brought her back from dead. )
post #689 of 961
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Originally Posted by bobby94928 View Post

Meridith can be at the least 25 years old, not 22. You have 4 years of college and then 4 years of medical school before you can be an intern. That would make her young, just not that young.

True, she is probably 25 but the premise is still the same even when she's 24.
post #690 of 961
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Originally Posted by AFH View Post

True, she is probably 25 but the premise is still the same even when she's 24.

Actually, in real life, she's 37....
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