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post #181 of 896
11/22/05 at 8:47am
If you are doing this for better PQ you are not missing anything. I hooked up a HDMI converter to DVI cable and the PQ was the same as component. I also tried this cable set up on my plasma, same PQ as component. I wasted $30. But as always ymmv.
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post #182 of 896
11/22/05 at 9:55am
It's more a matter of freeing up a component input. I wanted to have my cable box/dvdplayer/xbox all hooked in at the same time without having to swap out.
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post #183 of 896
11/22/05 at 11:01am
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Originally Posted by avsmurf View Post

Does anybody know why anamorphic widescreen 1:2.35 DVDs looks either slightly squished left to right in STANDARD mode or slightly pushed top to bottom in STRETCH mode when using component video? DVI remains perfect. Puzzled.

Have to try to find another 1:2.35 disc.. not sure I have one.


Anyone know the anwer to this question. I think he means anamorphic 2:35:1 and I have the same issue. I chose standard and I got pillar boxes. I thought standard was the universal way to display the aspect ratio correctly. When I hit fill I have bars on the top and bottom which is the way a anamorpic video should be displayed. Any thoughts?
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post #184 of 896
11/22/05 at 11:52am
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Originally Posted by magilacudy View Post

Anyways, I bought the Westie from another Best Buy, got a free 5.1 DVD system with it, and am very happy with my purchase.

How did you get the free 5.1 DVD system? I bought this unit on Sunday for the sale price, but did not see an offer for a free 5.1 DVD system.

Thanks,
Nicktesla
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post #185 of 896
11/22/05 at 1:08pm
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Originally Posted by dave43 View Post

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Originally Posted by avsmurf View Post

Does anybody know why anamorphic widescreen 1:2.35 DVDs looks either slightly squished left to right in STANDARD mode or slightly pushed top to bottom in STRETCH mode when using component video? DVI remains perfect. Puzzled.

Have to try to find another 1:2.35 disc.. not sure I have one.

Anyone know the anwer to this question. I think he means anamorphic 2:35:1 and I have the same issue. I chose standard and I got pillar boxes. I thought standard was the universal way to display the aspect ratio correctly. When I hit fill I have bars on the top and bottom which is the way a anamorpic video should be displayed. Any thoughts?

Sorry folks. I had prepared a post on this but then pulled it to do some reworking after realizing avsmurf was using an upconverting player.

STANDARD is the mode HTPCers are using for 1:1 pixel mapping. But that's not necessarily the mode you want for a conventional DVD player.

If you're using a 480i/480p DVD player, then I think this post pretty well covers it. Summarizing...
  • Set player to 16:9.
  • Use FILL on TV for Anamorphic (ie Enhanced for 16:9) DVDs.
  • Use STANDARD on TV to watch Fullscreen DVDs with pillarboxing. (Good for 4:3 Fullscreen content if you want to see the entire image, but letterboxed Fullscreen DVDs will have black bars on all sides.)
  • Use ZOOM on TV to expand Fullscreen DVDs to fill the width of the screen. (This will remove the black bars from the sides of Letterboxed Fullscreen DVDs. And it will crop the top and bottom of 4:3 Fullscreen DVDs.).

You may notice some distortion with the above, but it should be fairly minimal. My recollection is that STANDARD stretched Fullscreen content a little in the horizontal direction to fill the screen a bit more than a precise 4:3AR would, while ZOOM stretched Fullscreen content a little in the vertical.

If you notice distortion on Anamorphic content using FILL, that's probably due more to inconsistencies/variations in authoring and video transfers. I have noticed for example that Star Wars and some other "scoped" 2.35AR films look a little more horizontally stretched/vertically squashed than some other Anamorphic titles. But I'm fairly sure that's normal for those titles on most displays, and just the result of inconsistent authoring.

All the above applies to 480i/480p players.

If you're using an upconverting DVI/HDMI player with 720p/1080i, then I'm less sure what AR(s) would be best to use on the TV, since you'll be making some of the AR adjustments with the player itself. So my advice would be to experiment and see which combination of settings give you the best results.
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post #186 of 896
11/22/05 at 1:31pm
Thanks for the reply!! I will definitely be playing more with this (once all the headaches pass from putzing around with the unit!)

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You may notice some distortion with the above, but it should be fairly minimal. My recollection is that STANDARD stretched Fullscreen content a little in the horizontal direction to fill the screen a bit more than a true 4:3AR would, while ZOOM stretched Fullscreen content a little in the vertical.

Why.. oh why.. do they have to mess around with this!!! I noticed that composite-in results in a perfect 4:3 aspect ratio though.

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If you notice distortion on Anamorphic content using FILL, that's probably due more to inconsistencies/variations in authoring and video transfers. I have noticed for example that Star Wars and some other "scoped" 2.35AR films look a little more horizontally stretched/vertically squashed than some other Anamorphic titles. But I'm fairly sure that's normal for those titles on most displays, and just the result of inconsistent authoring.

All the above applies to conventional 480i/480p players.

If you're using an upconverting DVI/HDMI player with 720p/1080i, then I'm less sure what AR(s) would be best to use on the TV, since you'll be making some of the AR adjustments with the player itself. So my advice would be to just experiment and see which combinations of settings give you the best results.

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With my 480i Marantz conventional DVD player, I noticed that the ratio is off just a little, squashed top to bottom, exactly like the upconverting DVD player (both using component out) with the Star Wars II disc, but why would it display in the exact correct aspect ratio when using the DVI output of the upconverting player? Just wondering how that could happen.
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post #187 of 896
11/22/05 at 1:51pm
The player and TV handle Standard-Def (480i/480p), and High-Def (720p/1080i) differently. When you send SD to the TV, the TV itself handles all the scaling to fit it to the screen. When you send it HD, then the up-converting player does part of the scaling (from 480i to either 720p or 1080i), and the TV then scales the HD again to it's native resolution of 1366x768. That's my best guess anyway as to why you may be seeing a slight difference.
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post #188 of 896
11/22/05 at 5:58pm
Happy with this panel in a non-critical viewing environment consisting of mostly HD football. One caveat: this panel floods the room with signals that overwhelm conventional IR sensing devices that are within 6 feet of the panel. I am having to change out my conventional 780-10 xantech (J box) receivers with Niles plasma resistant targets. This unit will flood the IR sensor and send continuous signals through all the emitters in a conventional IR system, which flood the devices with so much IR information that the information transmitted from an IR remote is unable to reliably reach the destination source device.

Niles assures me there much more reasonably priced plasma resistant (and CFL) resistant targest will work with xantechs distribution blocks.
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post #189 of 896
11/22/05 at 6:13pm
I am considering one of these but how far off is the PQ from a Sony or one of the others with a much higher contrast ratio?
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post #190 of 896
11/22/05 at 6:26pm
I just purchased this television, and was still a little confused on the aspect ratio settings. I attempted to watch a widescreen DVD (Matrix Reloaded) and set the DVD player to 16:9. If I left the TV on standard, the picture showed up in the center of the screen with borders on all sides. If I changed the TV to zoom, the picture filled the screen and it looked pretty good. Is this the correct thing to do? I know that previous posts had suggested using the fill setting, but that seems like it is stretching it horizontally to me.
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post #191 of 896
11/22/05 at 7:36pm
Any service menu for this tv?

Can some one please post your display settings for component. Im having a hard time setting mine up
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post #192 of 896
11/22/05 at 9:36pm
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Originally Posted by len43 View Post

I've got a SA8300HD w/hdmi out and I can't get it to work with the dvi on this set. I bought a monster hdmi/dvi converter and a dvi-d cable but it keeps giving me an "error" (something like sync or display error). I've tried different outputs, powering both off etc but nothing seems to work. Component looks fine, but I would like to use dvi. Do I need a different cable? Or am I missing something incredibly easy?

Hi, I am also having this issue with the Westy. when I first turned it on it worked great for about 5 minutes and then the image stopped and was replaced with an "Display not compatible with DVI-HDCP signal" message nad I cannot see anything on the screen except the channel guide displays. It is SCA EXPLORER 800HD Box.

Any suggestions?
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post #193 of 896
11/22/05 at 11:09pm
Well.. played around with this some more.

4:3 DVDs play great via composite video in,in the right aspect ratios. However, if you try component or DVI it will be stretched. It's as if the TV assumes all input via component or DVI to be anamorphic or something (or it just likes to stretch it out for you without asking, which seems weird)

It also seems very hard to get a good balance of being able to see detail on medium to low light areas. Either the screen is set too bright, or it's the right brightness for the light colors but you can't make out the details where there are dark colors. Maybe the Toshiba DVD player just sucks...
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post #194 of 896
11/22/05 at 11:14pm
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Originally Posted by snowmonkey5 View Post

Just picked up the 27" westy at bb last night. pretty good looking picture. i got the bb sunday ad today and saw they had the 32" for $899 which is the same price i just payed for the 27". i got them to exchange it for the 32" tonight. i can see a big difference in the PQ in the two sizes. i guess the 1000:1 CR really makes a difference. I am happy with the PQ but still need to play with the settings a bit more. Tuesday I am getting my XBOX 360! Can't wait to see how it looks since this is my first time with HD. I have SD cable right now and it does look pretty bad on the LCD. Also had a concern with screen refresh for the new XBOX. I noticed on my Tivo when i changed menus the lettering blurred when moving fast from menu to menu. This may be due to the fact it is only S-Video and it is a SD Tivo. Has anyone played an older XBOX or PS2 with this monitor? Just wanted to know if there was any ghosting or blurring with gaming consoles. thanx in advance.

Just as a follow up for anyone interested. Today I just got the XBOX 360 and WOW! Looks amazing on the 32' Westy! 720p and 1080i both look fantastic. and there are no signs of ghosting or blurring that i can see. Now I really dig this TV!
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post #195 of 896
11/23/05 at 12:03am
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Just as a follow up for anyone interested. Today I just got the XBOX 360 and WOW! Looks amazing on the 32' Westy! 720p and 1080i both look fantastic. and there are no signs of ghosting or blurring that i can see. Now I really dig this TV!

Sounds nifty, snowmonkey5. Forgive my ignorance, but is this via component, or does the Xbox360 allow you to patch in via DVI?
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post #196 of 896
11/23/05 at 12:43am
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Originally Posted by ADU View Post

Sounds nifty, snowmonkey5. Forgive my ignorance, but is this via component, or does the Xbox360 allow you to patch in via DVI?

Right now it is just component though Microsoft has already said they will be releasing a DVI or HDMI cable soon.
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post #197 of 896
11/23/05 at 1:00am
Interesting. Tks snowmonkey5.
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post #198 of 896
11/23/05 at 5:32am
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Originally Posted by peteostro View Post

Any service menu for this tv?

Can some one please post your display settings for component. Im having a hard time setting mine up

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Mine is hooked up to Dish 811 using DVI cable, I setup the 811 as:
16x9
720p

On the Westinghouse:
Brightness = 45
Contrast = 55
Color = 3
Blacklight = 20
Leave Hue & Sat at the middle (default)
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post #199 of 896
11/23/05 at 7:03am
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Originally Posted by ADU View Post

Sorry folks. I had prepared a post on this but then pulled it to do some reworking after realizing avsmurf was using an upconverting player.

STANDARD is the mode HTPCers are using for 1:1 pixel mapping. But that's not necessarily the mode you want for a conventional DVD player.

If you're using a 480i/480p DVD player, then I think Summarizing...
[*]Set player to 16:9.
[*]Use FILL on TV for Anamorphic (ie Enhanced for 16:9) DVDs.
[*]Use STANDARD on TV to watch Fullscreen DVDs with pillarboxing. (Good for 4:3 Fullscreen content if you want to see the entire image, but letterboxed Fullscreen DVDs will have black bars on all sides.)
[*]Use ZOOM on TV to expand Fullscreen DVDs to fill the width of the screen. (This will remove the black bars from the sides of Letterboxed Fullscreen DVDs. And it will crop the top and bottom of 4:3 Fullscreen DVDs.).[/list]
You may notice some distortion with the above, but it should be fairly minimal. My recollection is that STANDARD stretched Fullscreen content a little in the horizontal direction to fill the screen a bit more than a precise 4:3AR would, while ZOOM stretched Fullscreen content a little in the vertical.

If you notice distortion on Anamorphic content using FILL, that's probably due more to inconsistencies/variations in authoring and video transfers. I have noticed for example that Star Wars and some other "scoped" 2.35AR films look a little more horizontally stretched/vertically squashed than some other Anamorphic titles. But I'm fairly sure that's normal for those titles on most displays, and just the result of inconsistent authoring.

All the above applies to 480i/480p players.

If you're using an upconverting DVI/HDMI player with 720p/1080i, then I'm less sure what AR(s) would be best to use on the TV, since you'll be making some of the AR adjustments with the player itself. So my advice would be to experiment and see which combination of settings give you the best results.



What about 1:85:1 widescreen movies. Anamorphic looks fine with fill. But both fill and standard put pillar boxes on the sides of a 1:85:1 widescreen movie. Why?
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post #200 of 896
11/23/05 at 7:26am
Hi,
I am happy with the tv so far, but wonder if I have a defective set. When I am viewing a static image, such as the DirecTV channel guide (coming in through s-video), the picture tends to shift a bit, acting jittery like it is trying to sync the picture. Do I have a defective set? I looked at my Philips 17" LCD set, but that picture is rock solid.

thanks
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post #201 of 896
11/23/05 at 9:31am
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Originally Posted by ADU View Post

Re 1360x768@75Hz...

I picked up another 32w1, and noticed in the manual that 1360x768@75Hz is not listed as one of the supported or recommend video modes. 1280x1024 and 1024x768 and some other resolutions are listed as supporting 75Hz, but not 1360x768. 60Hz is the only refresh rate recommended in the manual for 1360x768. Then down below it also says...

PRESET TIMING MODE (Pre-adjusted to reduce blanking: 1360x768 at 60Hz)
WARNING: Do not set the graphics card in your computer to exceed these refresh rates; doing so may result in permanent damage to the LCD TV.

So please just forget I mentioned using 75Hz at this resolution. It seemed to work OK via DVI with my display (though not so well with VGA), but I wouldn't want to be responsible for screwing up anyone else's TV.

1280x768 is not listed as a supported mode either.

Re 1360x768@75Hz (again)

Sorry for waffling back and forth on this, but FWIW I really think that I'm seeing some reduction in the latency of the display via a PC with 75Hz vs. 60Hz, so I called Westinghouse tech support to see if they thought running it at 1360x768@75Hz would do any harm. And they said they thought it would be OK.

When I asked them what harm could be done to the display by running at higher refresh rates, they said that it could overheat the LCD.

For now, I'm probably gonna stick with this mode via DVI (even thought it's not listed in the manual as one of the supported resolutions) because it looks best to my eye, and seems to give video from my PC a little more pep and dimension. And hope for the best.

I had some issues using it via the VGA input though, so I won't be using it for that input.
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post #202 of 896
11/23/05 at 10:03am
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Originally Posted by dave43 View Post

What about 1:85:1 widescreen movies. Anamorphic looks fine with fill. But both fill and standard put pillar boxes on the sides of a 1:85:1 widescreen movie. Why?

Not sure why this would be the case with FILL if you're using a 480i/480p player set for 16:9 TVs.

What 1.85AR movies seem to cause this? Can you give me a couple examples of titles that I might have to try?
What input are you using on the TV (YPbPr1, YPbPr2, DVI, S-video...)?
What kind of DVD player is it? Is this just a basic 480i/480p component player, an upconverting player, or an HTPC?
What resolution are you using (480i, 480p, 720p or 1080i...)?
Is this an Anamorphic (Enhanced for 16:9) 1.85AR DVD or a Fullscreen Letterboxed 1.85AR DVD?
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post #203 of 896
11/23/05 at 11:00am
Hi All...

I have lurking in the shadows just absorbing all the good advice you have on TV's. Anyway, I too was looking at the westy as my new tv, since I just purchased the X360. Basically my question is this, and I am a noob when it comes to TV setups, but I have been getting conflicting reports on which is actually better... This 32" Westy or a 30" Sony CRT, more specifically the KV30HS420 Sony CRT. Basically this is for my room. I have a real basic HT setup in there. I have a G1 DVD player, from 1997 (sony) and I have an AIWA stereo system with Dolby Prologix surround sound. Basically crutchfield is running some great deals on both these tv's and its making it harder for me to make a selection. Obviously I would like the LCD because its light, and slim, but I keep hearing that the CRT will give me a much better picture.

Can someone please, if they can, give me a brief understanding on why I should go with one unit over the other? It would be most helpful and much appreciated.

Thanks so much....
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post #204 of 896
11/23/05 at 11:20am
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Originally Posted by santa1 View Post

i went to best buy today .. it was big dissapointment to find out that picture was too rusty to my eyes .. is that something i can change with the settings ?

You might also see if you can find one of the newer firmware displays (4-12-2005, Version 1.12). Most of the floor models I've seen have the older firmware. The color looks a little different to me on the models with newer firmware that I've seen (including the one I'm using now). Reds look a bit deeper to my eye and more cherry-colored than rust-colored. Faces look a little more rosey and less anemic and claylike to me. Dark reds looked more deep and saturated on the store's 1080i component feed as well. I've only had the display for day, but so far I think I'm liking this a little better. YMMV of course.

I asked Westinghouse if they made any changes to the color in the later firmware and they said the only change they were aware of was the addition of the LED control. The color changes may not necessarily be firmware related, but I'm pretty sure the difference is not just in my head.

The newer firmware models should be easy to spot because of the LED. You can confirm which firmware a display has in the GENERAL SETTINGS/SYSTEM INFO. They also have two menu options not included on the older firmware, AC OUTLET and the control for turning the LED off and on.

On a sidenote... Westinghouse told me the new 32w3 will have an ethernet connection to facilitate firmware updates outside their factory service center.
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post #205 of 896
11/23/05 at 11:48am
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ADU,

If I remember correctly you were happy with the color 2 setting, then you changed your mind to 3. What setting did you decide on? Could you post what settings you have for brightness, contrast, etc... Can anyone else for that matter post there detailed settings. I'm hoping to get this setup so that SD is manageable to watch. thanks guys.

I think you might be confusing my remarks with someone else's re the COLOR2 setting. COLOR3 is the only mode I've been using for DVI. FWIW, I've asked Westinghouse to call me back with any info they have on the different color settings.

On the DVI input, I can see a distinct yellow cast with the COLOR1 setting, and a greenish or green-blue cast with COLOR2, especially in light greys if I overdrive the contrast on the TV. Whereas COLOR3 seems to be "tint-free". COLOR3 was the default for DVI as well, so I'm leaving it as is for now.

Without knowing exactly what these modes are for it's hard to know how the other settings should be used.
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post #206 of 896
11/23/05 at 12:21pm
parisi2274, this past weekend BB had this set on sale for the same price as a 27". That is why I went to look at it. I liked the way it looked so I got one. Now that I have had it for 4 days and set it up the way I like it I will Keep it. I will not be watching DVDs on it, I have a plasma for that, but I will hook it up to the internet soon. HD on D* is just beautiful. As always your ymmv.
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post #207 of 896
11/23/05 at 12:21pm
Can someone with one of these puppies please lend me a hand and confirm that source material in 4:3 aspect ratio shows up slightly wider (not stretched all the way, just slightly wider) than normal when using component and DVI inputs? It should display fine in composite-input, for reference.

Thanks in advance.
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post #208 of 896
11/23/05 at 12:57pm
I am feeding Comcast HDTV thru the component inputs on my 32w1...no problems.
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post #209 of 896
11/23/05 at 1:41pm
I have not checked the DVI out. Ive only had it a day but so far no problems with Sync.


I kinda got this without researching much but am doing it now...frankly it looks like I made a wize decision. The Vizio 32" @ Costco does not even have a color adjustment so some say the whites are not very white. This is not the case on the Westinghouse 32"er.

I am going to keep reading though, I cannot believe how vast this market is!

Id really love a 37"er!
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post #210 of 896
11/23/05 at 2:04pm
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Originally Posted by ADU View Post

Not sure why this would be the case with FILL if you're using a 480i/480p player set for 16:9 TVs.

What 1.85AR movies seem to cause this? Can you give me a couple examples of titles that I might have to try?
What input are you using on the TV (YPbPr1, YPbPr2, DVI, S-video...)?
What kind of DVD player is it? Is this just a basic 480i/480p component player, an upconverting player, or an HTPC?
What resolution are you using (480i, 480p, 720p or 1080i...)?
Is this an Anamorphic (Enhanced for 16:9) 1.85AR DVD or a Fullscreen Letterboxed 1.85AR DVD?


ADU,

It was Monty Python- the meaning of life. 1:85 enhanced as far as I know it wasnt fullscreen letterboxed. My toshiba dvd player can do 480i or 480p, I have it set on 480p because the scaler in the tv probally sucks although I heard it was a faroudja. I have the dvdp on 16:9 and I'm using component cables in ypbr1. Thanks for all your help on this TV, your posts have been helpful.
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