Originally Posted by VirusVooDoo
If you Bose-supporters out there are saying measurements and specifications doesn't matter then why do we even have them? Why does almost every other speaker manufacturers spend extra time and effort if those things don't mean anything? That will just waste their time & effort, not to mention money spent that can be turned into profit.
Measurements and specifications are there so that we can COMPARE and MEASURE a product's performance against other products. Bose and those el-cheapo speaker offerings from Best Buy, Walmart, Circuit City are the only audio companies that do not do this. It is true; they do not do this because they don't want people to compare their products with products from other brands. This is why they delibrately have taken steps to isolate themselves from their competition. At the Best Buy that I used to work at, we were never allowed to play anything on Bose demo beside the demo discs from Bose themselves and if I remember correctly, those discs do not have any music demo other than movie scenes.
Do you know how big are their so-called Acoustimass bass modules drivers/woofers are? 5.25 inches!!! That is right, only 5.25" for woofer in a sub? Many entry-level speakers from other companies are already that big with many being bigger (eg. 6.5-inch, 7-inch, 8-inch). They don't have to go all out and use 18-inch woofers but at least something in the vicinity of 8-inch or 10-inch. Sound is about moving air and when it comes to low frequencies (as in subwoofer) this is absolutely crucial. Why do we need a sub? It is because we need something that can move huge quantity (loudness) of slow-moving air. It really defeat the purpose of having a sub when you have something that has a diameter of small paper dish since speakers of those size cannot move as much air as something bigger.
I would like to point out is that Bose uses some of the worse materials to build their speakers. I mean comon now for a $1k and beyond setup, they cannot even use a better material than "treated" papers for most, if not all, of their speakers. I was dissappointed after I realized this back from when I was working at Best Buy. Almost every other speaker companies uses a different, (and better IMO), for their speakers, even the more expensive ones in their Magnolia Home Theater. The only time where "treated" papers were seen was in very few subwoofers. Even the very basic thing such as cosmetic they cannot get it right. I've seen much better finish on many other speaker products costing much less than Bose's. If they are into hype and marketing, at least spend a little bit more of their profit and make their speakers visually more appealing.
Bose knows how to prey on the un-informed and/or lazy customers and they do it well. By hyping up their products through marketing, they are spreading their names out to those who are unfamiliar with other brands in audio. More people shop at local electronic giants such as Best Buy, Circuit City, Walmart, they are sure to grab attentions from those shoppers. Since they are usually the most expensive at these retailers, people will trick themselves into thinking that they are actually that good. With careful marketing, flashy displays and demos, and well-trained salesman, it is no wonder that many fall into this trap, especially with the hefty price tag since we all know that many people associate expensive with being the best as in the case of AMD vs Intel for those of us who are up-to-date with computer chips but let's not get into that. Those satisfied customers are, many times, trying to defend themselves for having made a huge purchase. Many are not likely to admit that they've been mis-informed and got ripped off because that would just destroy their ego.
Bose has the advantage over many of its qualified competors and that is money from profit. It is very hard for quite a few good audio manufacturers to push their product to a local retailer since they do not have the funds to. Also, quite a few find that it is unnecessary because that process will add more cost to their products thus means profit for retailers and not the companies themselves nor their customers. This is why many of these brands are not as popular as Bose, since they are only available in certain audio stores and online or through special mail-order. Bose knows this and they are profiting from this because an average Joe will just go down to one of these local retailers for any electronic needs. He's not likely going to know of any REAL audio store to go to. Many of the times even if he does know, he would have to drive much farther than the distant to a BestBuy or Circuit City. Do you think that an average person would spend that much effort? I don't think so.
Another thing to take away from this is that if you walk into any REAL audio stores, especially high-end ones, you will probably never find Bose products. Even if you do, many times they are just there for direct comparision to prove that they do not measure up to other products. If Bose quality is that good then why wouldn't these stores carry them? If you say that it is "because Bose are as not expensive as the other brands in those stores" then I suggest you pay a visit to a REAL audio shop. There are much better speaker brands for about the same and even less than Bose; Boston Acoustics, Monitor Audio, Energy, Klipsch Reference, Paradigm, Mirage etc... Boston Acoustics for example isn't too high-end as Krell or Martin Logan but I am pretty sure that their products can outperform Bose at a price much cheaper than Bose's. For example I am pretty confidence that my pair of CR67 bookshelves ($250 USD retail) will outperform the Bose 301($300 USD). I once had the 301s back when I first got into audio because my dad gave them to me. Just look at the built quality between the two and you can already see. I was disgusted with Bose when I found that other speaker brands do not use paper and especially for tweeters. Now that we have better speakers for cheaper, we gave those speakers away. We would throw it in the trash but my dad and I are efficient folks as we do not believe in wasting products (even if Bose is that bad, we think that it is still better than throwing it away when there are other who do not have any speakers). But don't worry we do not recommend Bose to anyone at all. Anyway, see...even my dad who is an not an audiophile moved on from them to Klipsch, Infinity, NHT, & Mirage. It is because he is smart and he wants the best bang (quality & performance) for his bucks by going with those other brands.
If you want small satellite speaker system, then I can assure you that many of these brands such as Boston Acoustics, Mirage, Cambridge SoundWorks, Polk, etc do offer these products with significantly cheaper price tags than similar Bose's offerings. Just spend a little more time & effort and you can save money while having better audio. We have no evil intentions towards you Bose-owners or soon-to-be owners ego, only trying to help. But if you guys are willing to pay for being lazy by not comparing and shopping around then it's your loss.