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post #6601 of 7246
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Originally Posted by Bradskey View Post

I sure hope the restored programming on 47.4 isn't just another temporary "issue", but I appreciate it while it's here. I even DVR'd Gumby, lol.

Just noticing the pillar boxes on 47.1 have turned black and white -- MUCH less distracting and annoying.

The ads on .1 and .4 are different too. .1 has the local ads for KTXD, including promos for the religious shows. .4 apparently has the generic ads from the MeTV feed.
post #6602 of 7246
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

KXAS is encrypted.

- Trip

A subscription channel? Do you know what it is?
post #6603 of 7246
http://www.dyle.tv/

Should just be a straight simulcast of NBC on 5-1.

- Trip
post #6604 of 7246
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

http://www.dyle.tv/

Should just be a straight simulcast of NBC on 5-1.

- Trip

Seems pointless - these portable TVs receive ATSC signals too

Of course that wouldn't work in, say, a moving vehicle; but I don't know too many folks who'd subscribe just so their kids could watch 5-1 in the car - especially since they already get Qubo for free

Edit: After reviewing the Dyle site, it looks like you don't need to subscribe; apparently the encryption is only there to force you to use a Dyle device. But my point remains: unless you're targeting the rear car seat demo, why not just stick with ATSC and the portable device of your choice?
post #6605 of 7246
I won't be surprised if all the Mobile DTV currently available in Dallas winds up encrypted.

And the tuners in cell phones will not receive regular ATSC. I played with two of them a few months ago, M/H only.

- Trip
post #6606 of 7246
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

I won't be surprised if all the Mobile DTV currently available in Dallas winds up encrypted.

And the tuners in cell phones will not receive regular ATSC. I played with two of them a few months ago, M/H only.

- Trip

Ahh, cell phones. I hadn't seen cell phones with M/H tuners yet. (The Dyle site just says check back later.) I have heard of some with MediaFLO tuners, though, so I'm not too surprised.

A little experimentation with my new toy shows that M/H works with a weaker signal than straight ATSC requires - important for devices with tiny antennas. And of course, you have to sit or stand still for straight ATSC, while you can walk, run, or ride with M/H. So I guess portable device manufacturers will be willing to cough up a fee to Dyle to decrypt M/H, even if they could get the same content for free on the ATSC side.

But ATSC has a much bigger selection of channels. So I wouldn't be surprised if we soon see dual ATSC-M/H phones. As technology advances, that's almost inevitable. I already have a GPS with an ATSC tuner. A silly combination of technologies, granted, but it's only slightly larger than my BlackBerry.
post #6607 of 7246
What's the deal with KXAS today? OTA and D*LiL have been breaking up all day? Noticed it during the hockey game and tonight during Harry's Law. D* for the game and OTA for Harry.

Thanks
post #6608 of 7246
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

I won't be surprised if all the Mobile DTV currently available in Dallas winds up encrypted.

And the tuners in cell phones will not receive regular ATSC. I played with two of them a few months ago, M/H only.

- Trip

While in San Antonio with my Haier 7in DTV, I hooked it to my ham triband /vertical antenna (2/220/440) and reception of DTV sucked...if I could scan a channel one time, next time 5 miles down the road, it was lost...
Cant see how MDTV will work (oh wait, didnt they shut down?).
post #6609 of 7246
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Originally Posted by BPTTV View Post

While in San Antonio with my Haier 7in DTV, I hooked it to my ham triband /vertical antenna (2/220/440) and reception of DTV sucked...if I could scan a channel one time, next time 5 miles down the road, it was lost...
Cant see how MDTV will work (oh wait, didnt they shut down?).

Is the MDTV signal horizontally polarized?
post #6610 of 7246
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Originally Posted by mp3trojan View Post

Is the MDTV signal horizontally polarized?

It's the same as the ASTSC signal which, in the US is always horizontal but frequently has a vertical component to the signal. You have to look up each individual station individually to see what they're doing.
post #6611 of 7246
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Originally Posted by mp3trojan View Post

Is the MDTV signal horizontally polarized?

Well, it's not actually a separate frequency; it's basically a data stream embedded in the ATSC signal with a bunch of extra error correction to compensate for all the reception errors that occur when moving.

Anyhow, here in DFW, KDFW/4 is elliptical, while KXAS/5, WFAA/8, and KPXD/68 are horizontal. If you're trying to pick TV up with a vertical antenna you probably won't have much luck outside of KDFW/4. Owners of mobile TVs are advised to extend their teeny whip antennas sideways for best results. (And if possible, hook up a real antenna when scanning. That way all stations will be in the TV's memory, whether or not you can receive them at any given location.)
post #6612 of 7246
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Originally Posted by rantanamo View Post

Does anyone use Windows Media Center? If you do, when rescanning, does 27.2 show up, and does it have guide data?

I run Vista Media Center, and sub-channels are not supported at all. (Without a whole lot of work that is not really suppported.)

Now I haven't tried by new Windows 7 PC with Media Center - mostly because it in the kitchen on wi-fi and hence would not work all that well with my HD Homerun... But maybe I can get a ethernet over to it temporarily to test... Would be worth my while since I can see how Windows 7 handles sub-channels...
post #6613 of 7246
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Originally Posted by wilme2 View Post

I run Vista Media Center, and sub-channels are not supported at all. (Without a whole lot of work....)



I know you can add subchannels manually, but I can't imagine anyone other than Micro$oft getting away with a DTV product that didn't handle subchannels automatically. Surely they fixed this glaring omission in Windows 7
post #6614 of 7246
My WMC7 setup missed some subs but they were all on LP's, it got everything on the big guys and most of the LP's with no fuss. I added 27.2 manually because it was lit up after I got the dust settled on my setup.
post #6615 of 7246
Good to hear. Sounds like WMC7 got it right. It still astounds me that M$ ever released a product without full subchannel support, though. What were they thinking?
post #6616 of 7246
Now we got 47 lined out, when will WFAA get their CP completed and get some more "fire in the wire". Wow, watching DWTS from last night recorded OTA and it's a disaster. John thats EM23bd for me. Tall hill, tall tower here. My info and pic are current on QRZ. tks es 73 de w5nl
post #6617 of 7246
Way back in Jan. '11, while we were waiting for KTXA to move from RF 18 to RF 29, re_nelson reported:

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Originally Posted by re_nelson View Post

I just checked with Dan Dobbs at CBS in Ft. Worth who told me the following:

1). Only KTXA will be lighting up at the new location on Tar Road.
2). KTVT's RF-19 facility will remain at the Highway 67 site until 2012.
3). The simulcast on RF-11 (also on the Highway 67 site) will not be ending when the KTXA change is made.

Well, now it's 2012. Sure enough, KTVT is still simulcasting on RF 11 and RF 19. I've been wondering if/when KTVT will follow their sister station and if/when the RF 11 simulcast will end.
post #6618 of 7246
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Originally Posted by JHBrandt View Post

Well, now it's 2012. Sure enough, KTVT is still simulcasting on RF 11 and RF 19. I've been wondering if/when KTVT will follow their sister station and if/when the RF 11 simulcast will end.

Let me reword the original posting. The latest I heard is that the status quo (11/19 simulcast and transmission from Richland West as opposed to Richland South) remains for KTVT through 2012. In other words, the change from 2011 to 2012 was not a hard target date. The most recent information I got from those in the know is that if anything happens at all, it will be later in 2012 if then.
post #6619 of 7246
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Originally Posted by re_nelson View Post

Let me reword the original posting. The latest I heard is that the status quo (11/19 simulcast and transmission from Richland West as opposed to Richland South) remains for KTVT through 2012. In other words, the change from 2011 to 2012 was not a hard target date. The most recent information I got from those in the know is that if anything happens at all, it will be later in 2012 if then.

Looks like they have until Nov. 2013 on their construction permit, if they want to wait that long.

Their current STA for the simulcast was renewed in Jan., so presumably it lasts until July. Of course, they'll probably just keep extending it as necessary.

Unrelated interesting tidbit: I just noticed the FCC's queries now display virtual channel numbers under the RF channel numbers on the query details. (The list format still shows only the RF channel.)
post #6620 of 7246
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...transmission from Richland West as opposed to Richland South)

Ahem...make that Richland East. I should have just stuck with the number. :-) What most of us know as the KTVT tower on US 67 is Cedar Hill 4.

http://www.richlandtowers.com/OpenHo...9&p9=I&Cat=119
post #6621 of 7246
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Originally Posted by julesism View Post

My WMC7 setup missed some subs but they were all on LP's, it got everything on the big guys and most of the LP's with no fuss. I added 27.2 manually because it was lit up after I got the dust settled on my setup.

I use WMC7 and Avermedia Duet Card (OTA) in McKinney. What you have to do is run the scan once and it get's the main channels. Then re-run the scan by doing the "scan for more channels" option. It then finds all of the LP channels and places them in the guide. The disturbing thing is that you won't get much guide information for those additional channels. I believe Zap2It does not support those channels in the Microsoft guide so you get a lot of "No Data Available" in the guide.

The other thing that you get is some digitial radio and some encrypted subchannels on 68 (68.101, 68.201 etc), but these all show as encrypted when you try to tune them and show no picture. Someone previously mentioned that they are using some other tranmission method and you need a different tuner for them. You'll need to remove them from your guide as they provide clutter but no usable signal.
post #6622 of 7246
I just got a new Samsung ES7500 but for some reason I am unable to pick up some local hd channels. I currently have basic cable (via Time Warner) however when I complete a channel scan it skips about half. I try to manually punch in the channel (ie. 4-1, 5-1, 8-1 etc) but it defaults to simply "channel 4". Have a few other tvs, including a Samsung C650 Smart Tv, that all catch the HD channels so I find it very odd that I'm unable to with the new tv.


Any ideas/suggestions? Thanks
post #6623 of 7246
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Originally Posted by edyohome View Post

The disturbing thing is that you won't get much guide information for those additional channels. I believe Zap2It does not support those channels in the Microsoft guide so you get a lot of "No Data Available" in the guide.

The other thing that you get is some digital radio and some encrypted subchannels on 68 (68.101, 68.201 etc), but these all show as encrypted when you try to tune them and show no picture. Someone previously mentioned that they are using some other transmission method and you need a different tuner for them. You'll need to remove them from your guide as they provide clutter but no usable signal.

Guide info is a problem for just about everyone (not just WMC users). Most of the LPTVs don't provide an EPG, and TV guide services like the online Zap2It and the over-the-air TVGOS only cover the most popular LPTVs, if any. Sometimes you can find guides for certain channels (like RTV and Hot TV) on the Web, but they won't be integrated into your TV viewing system.

The 68.xxx channels are indeed encrypted and you need an Airbox tuner and subscription to decipher them. The 29.1x channels are simulcasts of Liberman's local FM stations - you can listen to them (they're in Spanish, though) but there's no video.
post #6624 of 7246
I'm getting 8-1 just fine with my OTA here in Plano as well as the FiOS feed through my TiVoHD (with CC). I'm not however picking up the WFAA HD feed on the QAM tuner as I have in the past. All the other local QAM HD feeds are still present. Any ideas or has anything changed to anyone's knowledge?
post #6625 of 7246
Is anybody having serious problems with NBC on TWC today? I am getting serious pixelation, audio dropouts, etc., while watching the US Open. Other channels seem to be okay, and I have tried both tuners on my TiVo and both tuners on the Motorola DVR...all have the same issue. Anybody else seeing this?

Thanks,
Randy
post #6626 of 7246
The unit isn't mapping WFAA as it does the other networks but another thread poster was able to provide me the Verizon QAM channel and it shows up there (without the call letters).
post #6627 of 7246
Excited to say that tomorrow we are making the move from DirecTV to an OTA Antenna and I am psyched to see the difference in PQ and the ability to save $100+ a month! The TiVO Premier is on order from Amazon so we can still record our favorite primetime shows. I was a LONG TIME (10yr DirecTV customer -- which has always provided great service to us) satellite customer but just can't pass up the savings of OTA!!
post #6628 of 7246
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Originally Posted by McKinneyMagnum View Post

Excited to say that tomorrow we are making the move from DirecTV to an OTA Antenna and I am psyched to see the difference in PQ and the ability to save $100+ a month! The TiVO Premier is on order from Amazon so we can still record our favorite primetime shows. I was a LONG TIME (10yr DirecTV customer -- which has always provided great service to us) satellite customer but just can't pass up the savings of OTA!!

I suspect you aren't alone. Back in the day, lots of folks switched to cable/satellite primarily to get decent reception of local stations. With the switch to digital broadcasting that isn't as big a problem now: if you can get the local stations at all, chances are they're perfect! And many local stations have additional subchannels to make up for some of the cable/satellite-only channels you'll be losing.
post #6629 of 7246
I did a new and complete channel scan June 17th, 2012, with my Sanyo LCD TV (DP42840).

I live in N. Central Irving, S. of Hwy 161 (Bush Turnpike), near Belt Line Rd.

I use an RCA antenna (ANT751R) mounted in the attic of a one-story townhome.

It took a couple of "Add Digital Channel" scans to get all of the low power stations to register, that I had logged before.
After getting one of the LP stations to register, I adjusted the antenna cable slightly, near where it screws into the TV set, to get that LP station to come in good, and then, I did a couple of re-scans, to get the 26 channels registered.

I registered 26 digital channels, with the following sub-channel numbers also registering:

  1. 2
  2. 4
  3. 5/2
  4. 8/2,3
  5. 11
  6. 13/2
  7. 18/2,3,4
  8. 19
  9. 21
  10. 23
  11. 26/2
  12. 27/2
  13. 28/2,3,4
  14. 29/2,10,11,12,13
  15. 30/2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9
  16. 31/3,4,5
  17. 33/2,3
  18. 34/2,3
  19. 39/2,3
  20. 44/2,3,4
  21. 47/2,3,4
  22. 49/2
  23. 52/2
  24. 55/2,3,4,5,6
  25. 58/2,3,4,5
  26. 68/2,3
post #6630 of 7246
I have Directv and added a airplane type outdoor antenna ($100), about 2 -21/2 feet wide that attaches to the Directv antenna and the Directv receiver searches for the OTA channels.
I now have the newer receivers so there is a OTA add-on receiver that needs to be purchased ($45.00)

It works great especially when we have again storm we can still watch something.

Greg
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