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post #6871 of 7246
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Originally Posted by JHBrandt View Post

Three hours off is ridiculous! Unfortunately K31GL doesn't seem very responsive to viewer complaints. Was it you that told them about their drastic drop in SQ early this month and got back a response along the lines of "you're not in DeSoto so we don't care?"
Well, maybe we're licensed to serve DeSoto and if you get us anywhere else you are lucky. I may send him a note about the clock being so far off, to see what happens.
post #6872 of 7246
My general impression isn't that they're not responsive.. I'm just not sure they sometimes understand what the problem is.
The guy who runs 31.4 used to post on this board. Maybe if he checks back in here he'll see what's up.
post #6873 of 7246
Having automatic clock set time error issues with both my DTVPal DVRs, I went through all the local stations and noted the worst offenders for time errors:

KJJM-LD 34 -3 HRS 15 MIN
K31GL 31 -3 HRS 5 MIN
KHPK 28 -1 HR
KODF 26 -15MIN
K25FW 25 -1HR
KBOP 20 -1HR

28, 25 and 20 probably haven't adjusted for DST. Seems like little or no maintenance as long as it's on the air.
Edited by ed_in_tx - 4/3/13 at 8:11am
post #6874 of 7246
Channel Scan with a RCA DTA800B1 using an RCA ANT751R (mounted in the attic of a one-story home in Irving), about 19 miles from Cedar Hill:

66 total channels registered: 25 Primary Channels and 41 sub-channels as of April 7, 2013.

2
4
5/2
8/2,3
11
13/2
18/2,3,4
21
23
26
27/2
28/2,3,4
29/2
30/2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9
31
33/2,3
34
39/2
44/2,3,4
47/2,3,4
49
52
55/2,3,4,5,6
58/2,3,4,5
68/2,3,4

Edited by See The Light - 4/7/13 at 2:46pm
post #6875 of 7246
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Originally Posted by See The Light View Post

Channel Scan with a RCA DTA800B1 using an RCA ANT751R (mounted in the attic of a one-story home in Irving), about 19 miles from Cedar Hill:....

44/2,3,4
- - - -
49


Where's 47.1 KTXD 47.1 and MeTV 47.4? You need to work on getting 47. MeTV is a good channel!
post #6876 of 7246
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Originally Posted by ed_in_tx View Post

Where's 47.1 KTXD 47.1 and MeTV 47.4? You need to work on getting 47. MeTV is a good channel!

I just checked my work, and I did leave off 47/2,3,4 (but I've edited the post to show that now).

Thanks !
post #6877 of 7246
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Originally Posted by ed_in_tx View Post

Having automatic clock set time error issues with both my DTVPal DVRs, I went through all the local stations and noted the worst offenders for time errors:

KJJM-LD 34 -3 HRS 15 MIN
K31GL 31 -3 HRS 5 MIN
KHPK 28 -1 HR
KODF 26 -15MIN
K25FW 25 -1HR
KBOP 20 -1HR

28, 25 and 20 probably haven't adjusted for DST. Seems like little or no maintenance as long as it's on the air.

I programmed all of the digital LPTV and Class A stations out of the channel sequence for my DVR a couple years back for just this reason -- I would just tune by one of these stations, and that would be enough to screw up the clock in my DVR even if I just paused on one of those stations for a few seconds. Since deleting these stations, I haven't had any problems with timer issues. This is on a different DVR (I'm still using an antique Zenith HDR-230), but I think that the same principle applies with any DVR that uses PSIP to set the time.
post #6878 of 7246
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Originally Posted by Thomas Desmond View Post

I programmed all of the digital LPTV and Class A stations out of the channel sequence for my DVR a couple years back for just this reason -- I would just tune by one of these stations, and that would be enough to screw up the clock in my DVR ...
One of those, K31GL, carries Retro TV and HOT TV and they get watched here, so I can't delete that one. Fortunately the Dish DTVPal seems to ignore the worst case offenders. Looks like mine are staying within 4 or 5 seconds +/- after resetting and rebooting several times. Two weeks ago I did contact Mako's corporate office in Corpus Christi as well as sending emails to the local engineer which got zero results, their clocks are still 3+ hours slow..
post #6879 of 7246
Last night I noticed that KHPK has given all their subchannels meaningful PSIP labels:
28.1 - SONLIFE
28.2 - QVC
28.3 - Alma (short for Almavision)
28.4 is just labeled KHPK-LD, but it's just color bars so that isn't surprising.

Perhaps this indicates a somewhat more permanent assignment than is typical for these stations. Most of Mako's LPTV stations haven't bothered to label their subchannels, possibly because they change so often. KODF does label 26.1 Hot-TV, though.
post #6880 of 7246
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Originally Posted by ed_in_tx View Post

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Originally Posted by JHBrandt View Post

Mine says 22 elements - surprising because I get the same channels Ed does so I expected to see 21 like him.
In fact both my Pal#1 and #2 show 21 elements.

Both are behaving similarly now, starting out about 5 sec slow at 7AM and gradually becoming about 4 to 5 sec fast when I turn off at night about 11PM, next morning about 5 sec slow again. They are updating guide info when they are powered off in Standby mode.

Maybe my 22nd element is the one I have with Ident: 0 and a ridiculously inaccurate time. Do we have any LPTV stations not sending PSIP anymore? I know KATA finally started sending PSIP a while back.
post #6881 of 7246
Pardon me if this has been mentioned before.. but if you're curious about what subchannels are broadcast.. there's a good website that keeps track of them. rabbitears.info
It's a pretty complete list. I get 87 subchannels at my home in Plano.
post #6882 of 7246
I was scanning through my channels over the weekend and have noted that I'm having trouble with 5.1 pixeling/dropping signal not infrequently here in Plano (Legacy/Custer). Any others having such issues? I don't recall this having been a problem previously with my attic antenna in my one story residence. Signal strength varies between 50's and 80's, as do my other locals which don't appear to have this issue.
Edited by teasip - 4/15/13 at 7:43am
post #6883 of 7246
No problems with Ch 5 Subchannels here in Desoto. We lost all Ch 8 Subchannels! Did you?
post #6884 of 7246
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Originally Posted by arnoldevns View Post

Pardon me if this has been mentioned before.. but if you're curious about what subchannels are broadcast.. there's a good website that keeps track of them. rabbitears.info
It's a pretty complete list. I get 87 subchannels at my home in Plano.

If you don't mind, which link from the rabbit ears home page does one use to get the list??
post #6885 of 7246
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Originally Posted by 49Merc View Post

No problems with Ch 5 Subchannels here in Desoto. We lost all Ch 8 Subchannels! Did you?

My "8" channels are all fine. I've got a RatShack full size antenna in the attic.
post #6886 of 7246
My wife informed me that we were no longer getting in Channel 11 as of Sunday, April 14th (last time we had it on was Friday the 12th, so don't know about the 13th). We live on the east side of Fort Worth and have a Sony Bravia digital TV and one of those HD antennas mounted on our roof (as we live in a hilly neighborhood, a signal booster has been a very necessary item as well). We've had this setup for a few years without issue, so I did a lot of troubleshooting including doing a re-scan, moving the antenna around, checking the cables and making sure all connections were "tight", and making sure nothing was loose on the antenna itself. If we leave 11.1 on, it will sometimes come in, but image is bad and it will go away again. My wife also informed me that 11 started to have some reception issues (occasional pixelation) about a week before it went out like it did.

One interesting thing is WFAA Channel 8 and it's substations came in great when I moved the orientation of the antenna around (other channels either had poor reception or would not come on at all when the antenna position worked well for 8). We've had reception issues with 8 for a long time, but didn't care as WFAA doesn't have any programming we watch. It now seems that 8 has gotten worse about the same time as 11 started having issues.

One last thing I did was to do a "double-scan" from our DVR (it had same receptions issues at the TV) to see what would happen, and it will not recognize 8 or 11. Now, I'm wondering if I need to change back to a UHF/VHF antenna like the one I had from Radio Shack many years ago. Any thoughts on this issue would be greatly appreciated.
post #6887 of 7246
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Originally Posted by See The Light View Post

If you don't mind, which link from the rabbit ears home page does one use to get the list??

http://www.rabbitears.info/market.php?mktid=5

Click "Expand All."

- Trip
post #6888 of 7246
http://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?mc=03&p=HD7694P&d=&c=TV%20Antennas&sku=&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=google_adwords_03_Winegard_HD7694P

Since you have some type of out door antenna then that is good. I would use a Winegard HD7694P. This is a good out door 75 ohm antenna. There are others but this is the one I use. All the stations are at Cedar Hill. WFAA & KFWD are VHF and the others are UHF.

Fry's may have this antenna or you can mail order from various sources. Use Google and the model number. Trees and dirt may be the issue but a real VHF/UHF antenna should do the trick.
Johnny S
TV Engineer
post #6889 of 7246
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Originally Posted by MKFrancis View Post

My wife informed me that we were no longer getting in Channel 11 as of Sunday, April 14th (last time we had it on was Friday the 12th, so don't know about the 13th). We live on the east side of Fort Worth and have a Sony Bravia digital TV and one of those HD antennas mounted on our roof (as we live in a hilly neighborhood, a signal booster has been a very necessary item as well). We've had this setup for a few years without issue, so I did a lot of troubleshooting including doing a re-scan, moving the antenna around, checking the cables and making sure all connections were "tight", and making sure nothing was loose on the antenna itself. If we leave 11.1 on, it will sometimes come in, but image is bad and it will go away again. My wife also informed me that 11 started to have some reception issues (occasional pixelation) about a week before it went out like it did.

One interesting thing is WFAA Channel 8 and it's substations came in great when I moved the orientation of the antenna around (other channels either had poor reception or would not come on at all when the antenna position worked well for 8). We've had reception issues with 8 for a long time, but didn't care as WFAA doesn't have any programming we watch. It now seems that 8 has gotten worse about the same time as 11 started having issues.

One last thing I did was to do a "double-scan" from our DVR (it had same receptions issues at the TV) to see what would happen, and it will not recognize 8 or 11. Now, I'm wondering if I need to change back to a UHF/VHF antenna like the one I had from Radio Shack many years ago. Any thoughts on this issue would be greatly appreciated.

I just noticed today that the Hauppauge WinTV-HVR-2250 in my HTPC is no longer picking up KTVT channel 11. I live in Watauga near Keller and North Richland Hills and have had the same roof top antenna setup for years. However if I plug the cable into my Sharp TV it's tuner is picking it up. I can tell from recordings in Windows Media Center that I was receiving a signal as recently as Wednesday, but not today. I even tried a rescan and running through MCE TV setup again and still no signal. Funny thing is if I pull up the Digital TV Antenna Signal Strength indicator in MCE it shows a full green signal for 11.1???? What gives????
Edited by deepthinker - 4/19/13 at 11:36am
post #6890 of 7246
I went through some strange behavior with my tv's and pc tuners after the ch11 switch. In case you didn't know, they recently (last November?) quit broadcasting on their original frequency and moved to another (or something like that, details are in this thread somewhere). When they switched, my tv's needed a re-scan, but my pc tuners and standalone hdtv tuner did not. My pc continued to record on ch 11 without fail. I did however notice that I no longer had program listings for that channel, and had to 'borrow' them from another. That's an issue relating to another service though. The strangest thing happened recently though, when I actually tried to watch live tv on ch11. It would not tune! That is strange because it recorded it fine as I mentioned. When I did a re-scan, it seemed to think there was a signal, but it would not show anything. I had to use the 'scan for additional channels' option in WMC7 for it to tune in. I'm sure it's all software controlled, and there's a good explanation in there somewhere. Since I don't use my pc for watching live tv, the issue may have been there since the switch. Just seems strange that recordings weren't affected the same way as live tv.
post #6891 of 7246
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Originally Posted by garciab View Post

I went through some strange behavior with my tv's and pc tuners after the ch11 switch. In case you didn't know, they recently (last November?) quit broadcasting on their original frequency and moved to another (or something like that, details are in this thread somewhere). When they switched, my tv's needed a re-scan, but my pc tuners and standalone hdtv tuner did not. My pc continued to record on ch 11 without fail. I did however notice that I no longer had program listings for that channel, and had to 'borrow' them from another. That's an issue relating to another service though. The strangest thing happened recently though, when I actually tried to watch live tv on ch11. It would not tune! That is strange because it recorded it fine as I mentioned. When I did a re-scan, it seemed to think there was a signal, but it would not show anything. I had to use the 'scan for additional channels' option in WMC7 for it to tune in. I'm sure it's all software controlled, and there's a good explanation in there somewhere. Since I don't use my pc for watching live tv, the issue may have been there since the switch. Just seems strange that recordings weren't affected the same way as live tv.

Well now that I've read that, I'm going to test recording something in the guide right now to see if it does show up. We never really watch live TV either. I already tried the scan for additional channels and even went through the whole TV setup again. Still won't tune live.
post #6892 of 7246
Well WTF? All of a sudden it's working again. I did send a thing on the KTVT contact page about 30 minutes after my first post asking if they had done something with their signal within the last few days. Who knows???
post #6893 of 7246
I did have an error message not too long ago that it couldn't record that channel because there was no signal. But I believe the show still recorded. I'll try it tonight to see what happens.
post #6894 of 7246
I have a Winegard GS-2200 Sensar III Amplified VHF/UHF Antenna System. It has a tiny little power injector. I got it 3 months ago. I installed it and got zero channels without the power injector. With the power injector on, I got about 30 channels. I deleted half of them, because they were all in Spanish, or I just didn't want them. Over the next few weeks, a channel would disappear here and there. I got tired of it, so I did a new channel search. This cleared all my current channels, and replaced them with the new search results, which was 2 channels. I've had the antenna in my attic, pointing at the correct degree heading the whole time. I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. I think the little cheap power injector may have failed. I'm thinking of going to get a new power injector, or amplifier. This antenna won't hold up in the elements. If it's the antenna, I'll have to get a new one. Can anyone help me with this? confused.gif
post #6895 of 7246
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Originally Posted by soje View Post

I have a Winegard GS-2200 Sensar III Amplified VHF/UHF Antenna System. It has a tiny little power injector. I got it 3 months ago. I installed it and got zero channels without the power injector. With the power injector on, I got about 30 channels. I deleted half of them, because they were all in Spanish, or I just didn't want them. Over the next few weeks, a channel would disappear here and there. I got tired of it, so I did a new channel search. This cleared all my current channels, and replaced them with the new search results, which was 2 channels. I've had the antenna in my attic, pointing at the correct degree heading the whole time. I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. I think the little cheap power injector may have failed. I'm thinking of going to get a new power injector, or amplifier. This antenna won't hold up in the elements. If it's the antenna, I'll have to get a new one. Can anyone help me with this? confused.gif

You might want to tell us where you live. You might just be too far away to get good signals (but I'm in between Denton and Decatur and get over 70 channels).

Another thing....do you have solar blocking insulation in your attic? That will block signals too. You might need to mount it outdoors. Check to see if there are any large buildings blocking your view to Cedar Hill too.
post #6896 of 7246
23.2 coming? Sony announces an English Classic Movies channel will air over Univision channels this fall. Speaking of, what is status of 4.2 Movie! which is to launch this spring.

http://variety.com/2013/tv/news/sony-pictures-tv-slates-fall-debut-for-gettv-movie-classics-net-1200405186/
post #6897 of 7246
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Originally Posted by K5ING View Post

You might want to tell us where you live. You might just be too far away to get good signals (but I'm in between Denton and Decatur and get over 70 channels).

Another thing....do you have solar blocking insulation in your attic? That will block signals too. You might need to mount it outdoors. Check to see if there are any large buildings blocking your view to Cedar Hill too.

I live in east Plano. I got all the normal local channels when I installed the antenna. They just started dropping of. Then when I did a new search, it cleared all the existing channels, and only found 2. Nothing has changed on my end at all. This set up was getting 30 channels 3 months ago.
post #6898 of 7246
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Originally Posted by MKFrancis View Post

My wife informed me that we were no longer getting in Channel 11 as of Sunday, April 14th (last time we had it on was Friday the 12th, so don't know about the 13th). We live on the east side of Fort Worth and have a Sony Bravia digital TV and one of those HD antennas mounted on our roof (as we live in a hilly neighborhood, a signal booster has been a very necessary item as well). We've had this setup for a few years without issue, so I did a lot of troubleshooting including doing a re-scan, moving the antenna around, checking the cables and making sure all connections were "tight", and making sure nothing was loose on the antenna itself. If we leave 11.1 on, it will sometimes come in, but image is bad and it will go away again. My wife also informed me that 11 started to have some reception issues (occasional pixelation) about a week before it went out like it did.

One interesting thing is WFAA Channel 8 and it's substations came in great when I moved the orientation of the antenna around (other channels either had poor reception or would not come on at all when the antenna position worked well for 8). We've had reception issues with 8 for a long time, but didn't care as WFAA doesn't have any programming we watch. It now seems that 8 has gotten worse about the same time as 11 started having issues.

One last thing I did was to do a "double-scan" from our DVR (it had same receptions issues at the TV) to see what would happen, and it will not recognize 8 or 11. Now, I'm wondering if I need to change back to a UHF/VHF antenna like the one I had from Radio Shack many years ago. Any thoughts on this issue would be greatly appreciated.

I'm very skeptical of so-called "HD antennas." Many of them work poorly at VHF frequencies, which would explain your issues with channel 8. There's even one "HD antenna" (the Square Shooter; one of Winegard's few mistakes) that has to be tilted sideways somewhat to function well at VHF! As a general rule, if the antenna's largest dimension is much below two feet, it's unlikely to work well at VHF.

East Ft. Worth should be OK for TV reception, since the transmitting antennas are in Cedar Hill. Unless you're in a valley, you could probably get by with an indoor rabbit ears+loop combo, or a smaller outdoor antenna if you're further north, like the Winegard 7694 mentioned earlier. But try entering your address at TVFool.com just to be sure, and see whether the stations show up in green, yellow, or red.
post #6899 of 7246
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Originally Posted by soje View Post

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Originally Posted by K5ING View Post

You might want to tell us where you live. You might just be too far away to get good signals (but I'm in between Denton and Decatur and get over 70 channels).

Another thing....do you have solar blocking insulation in your attic? That will block signals too. You might need to mount it outdoors. Check to see if there are any large buildings blocking your view to Cedar Hill too.

I live in east Plano. I got all the normal local channels when I installed the antenna. They just started dropping of. Then when I did a new search, it cleared all the existing channels, and only found 2. Nothing has changed on my end at all. This set up was getting 30 channels 3 months ago.

It does sound like there's a problem with your antenna. I'm not sure if it can be serviced, though.

East Plano can be challenging. You probably should erect an outdoor antenna if possible. I'd suggest a medium-large antenna like the AntennaCraft HBU-44, Winegard 7696, or Channel Master 2018. But check your address at TVFool.com first, in case you need an even larger one. I think Radio Shack sells AntennaCraft antennas, and you might be able to find the others at Fry's.

With a larger antenna you may not need the amplifier and power injector. But it depends on how much cable the signal has to go through to get from the antenna to your TVs, whether you're splitting the signal, and if you have equipment with less-sensitive tuners (such as the TiVo and Channel Master CM-7400 DVRs).

You might be able to mount the antenna in your attic, but as K5ING said, a "radiant barrier" will block TV signals. If your attic has one, you should put the antenna on the roof.
post #6900 of 7246
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Originally Posted by JHBrandt View Post

DFW PSIP guide report:
KXAS/5 again gets an A with 5 days
KERA/13, KDAF/33 again get B's with 3 days
KDFI/27 gets a C-plus with 2 days
KTVT/11, KPXD/68 again get C-minuses with 1 day
KDFW/4, WFAA/8, KXAS/21, KTXD/47 - D's (minimum passing grade with 12 hours each)

The above was from March 8. (I upped the grades a bit, now reserving F only for failure to broadcast the FCC-required minimum of 12 hours.) But last week while I was offline, I did notice KTVT/11 is now up to 2 days PSIP. Congrats! Every little improvement makes it more likely I'll find one of their shows that I want to record.
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