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post #1381 of 2959
4/6/06 at 5:46pm
easy question. Whenever I adjust picture placement/overscan for HD it's affecting my 480i picture. Is there anyway to adjust them seperately? This is for an HS. My HD source is on Video 6 input. And I use Wide Zoom when watching SDTV.
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post #1382 of 2959
4/6/06 at 5:52pm
I found someone who had the same problem with the 360 and the same tv

he changed his settings to

2170-P
sbrt - 40 was 24
gdrv - 21 was 23
bdrv - 27 was 25

2170-D
qpam - 36 was 22
qpdv - 63 was 55
df - 0 was 34
dqp - 32 was 30

and i guess now everything is fine... i might have to try that
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post #1383 of 2959
4/6/06 at 5:54pm
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Originally Posted by justsc View Post

This set where you could see, it was different than your current set?

I've been watching your posts since January, and if memory serves, I don't think you've ever been real happy with this tv, correct? Hasn't the problem been that the display is just too dark for your gaming?

Maybe you should consider another tv. Get something that'll make you happy and will make your gameplaying enjoyable.

Yes, that is the ONLY problem, things are too dark when gaming, and only on my 360.. well things in 1080i, everything else seems great I had things i thought were wrong but werent with the tv but were right... id love the tv to death if i could fix this one problem

\ hat and horizontal lines going across my screen when there is something fast moving, ive seen it in cartooons, shows, and my 360 dashboard when i press the middle circle button
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post #1384 of 2959
4/6/06 at 6:11pm
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Originally Posted by irhxcbcziuzxs View Post

I found someone who had the same problem with the 360 and the same tv

he changed his settings to

2170-P
sbrt - 40 was 24
gdrv - 21 was 23
bdrv - 27 was 25

2170-D
qpam - 36 was 22
qpdc - 63 was 55
df - 0 was 34
dqp - 32 was 30

and i guess now everything is fine... i might have to try that

Fixed....

I second what Justsc said, you should get another tv and look else where since you seem to not be satisfied with your sony. Maybe an LCD would be a better choice no?
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post #1385 of 2959
4/6/06 at 6:32pm
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Originally Posted by SurfingMatt27 View Post

Fixed....

I second what Justsc said, you should get another tv and look else where since you seem to not be satisfied with your sony. Maybe an LCD would be a better choice no?

like i said, i love my sony, but for some reason the games are unplayable on it.. and i have a problem with horizontal , left to right lines on fast moving objects, what do you think of those settings i posted

(also, theres no way i could get the amount i paid for this tv now)
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post #1386 of 2959
4/6/06 at 6:38pm
Fiddle with SBRT and QPDC i would leave the others alone.
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post #1387 of 2959
4/6/06 at 9:14pm
why, what are the others?
and is it ok to have sbrt that high
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post #1388 of 2959
4/6/06 at 10:21pm
I would'nt touch too much SM items since ithen you will start to screw up other inputs,etc.

That's why i only said fiddle with those two settings because out of the box these sony's are pretty good PQ wise.You don't really have to do too much to them to make them great besides tone down the edge enhancements a bit and get rid of the black crush and redpush,but other than that these sony tv's are really good out of the box.

As for your question on that SBRT setting,yes that is pretty high,personally i would'nt go any higher than 31 myself.I have mine at 29 and no black crush here!
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post #1389 of 2959
4/6/06 at 10:50pm
then i dont know what to do to fix this
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post #1390 of 2959
4/7/06 at 10:07am
You mean your black level?Well just raise UBOF for your xbox360 on that input pretty high then maybe you could see something.
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post #1391 of 2959
4/7/06 at 12:50pm
colors are great just lots of black crush, pitch black where there should be shadows?
so do the ubof? whats a good number
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post #1392 of 2959
4/7/06 at 2:34pm
Surfing matt do you agree with bolo's old posts
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post #1393 of 2959
4/7/06 at 2:52pm
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Originally Posted by irhxcbcziuzxs View Post

colors are great just lots of black crush, pitch black where there should be shadows?
so do the ubof? whats a good number

Have you tried making adjustments while the Xbox360 is on? Get to a semi-dark area in Oblivion and make the adjustments so that you can see the changes taking place, Thats what I did.
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post #1394 of 2959
4/7/06 at 3:16pm
but im not exactly sure how it should look
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post #1395 of 2959
4/7/06 at 4:48pm
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but im not exactly sure how it should look


Ok then if that's the case then just look at the overall image and adjust untill you can visibly see things then stop when things start to get grey,that's when you know you have gone too far because then the image get's a smokey look and loses it's sense of contrast ratio.
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post #1396 of 2959
4/7/06 at 7:26pm
ok ill do this, should i only mess with the settings bolo recomended
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post #1397 of 2959
4/7/06 at 9:36pm
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Originally Posted by irhxcbcziuzxs View Post

ok ill do this, should i only mess with the settings bolo recomended

The settings I tweaked were all settings that in my opinion needed to be addressed. The results may vary for you, it also depends a little on which video mode you're using and which scan mode. The settings for 480i, 480p, 720p, and 1080i shouldn't all be the same.
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post #1398 of 2959
4/8/06 at 3:23pm
SO, like heres the plan
Tomb Raider, Legends and NBA live 06 for 360 demos have greyscales, in game... in 1080i , so im going to adjust it according to those
now to do this , i just need to know what settings to mess with

sliders?
service menu for contrast and brightness? or others?
what?
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post #1399 of 2959
4/8/06 at 4:19pm
are you serious?

The info was already mentioned to you a few pages back..it's SBRT and UBOF to balance the other inputs.Leave brightness and contrast at the center when adjusting SBRT.

Now here is what you do,i'll make this simple and clear....

1: Leave the contrast and brightness in the middle

2: Adjust SBRT in the service menu leaving UBOF at 0 for the input your using,example..Component input 5.

3:Once that is set then you can adjust UBOF for the other inputs to balance black level,you might not need to use it since SBRT may do the trick but i don't own your tv or know what is connected to it so it's your decision where to set it.

4: Enjoy the show, your all done!
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post #1400 of 2959
4/8/06 at 6:14pm
if i only mess with SBRT
to barely see the second darkest bar, like it says
SBRT is at 37-38


i also noticed
that both video inputs, 5 and 6, they both have osmething plugged into them, the green lettering of the service menu is dark on both of them and all other inputs are fine...
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post #1401 of 2959
4/8/06 at 6:35pm
Your adjusting SBRT for the component inputs right? When you adjusted your SBRT it was for your dvd player at 480p correct?
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post #1402 of 2959
4/8/06 at 6:36pm
i adjusted SBRT while xbox had a demo on at 1080i
top of my screen right now says

2170P-1 7 37 Service
SBRT HD-FULL Video5
WSL: #'s 1080i
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post #1403 of 2959
4/8/06 at 7:05pm
Have you tried anything else on the component inputs were they dark as well or fine?What i mean is..have you tried another device on that input like a dvd player or another game console is it still Dark?
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post #1404 of 2959
4/8/06 at 8:33pm
the green letterings on both video 5 and 6 are darker than any other video setting
ps2 is on 6, xbox is on 5... I have nothing else to run on this input, nothing else runs in 1080i that i have.
So SBRT is at 37 im about to do another greyscale...
It might have to be a little higher...
Things look kinda washed out now though, but i can see in oblivion now, sorta.. its getting there.. same with burnout, but its still kinda persistant in burn out

2170P-1 - 37 - SBRT
2170P-3 - 2 UBOF
2170P-4 - 0 BLK
2170P-3 - 0 UCOF
2170P-4 - 0 GAMM
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post #1405 of 2959
4/8/06 at 8:49pm
So when you play a PS2 game is it dark on the component input as well?

Also when you were calibrating SBRT for the 360 UBOF should be at 0. UBOF is a brightness offset,it's purpose is to balance the rest of the inputs in black level incase you see an inbalance.
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post #1406 of 2959
4/8/06 at 9:03pm
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Originally Posted by irhxcbcziuzxs View Post

the green letterings on both video 5 and 6 are darker than any other video setting
ps2 is on 6, xbox is on 5... I have nothing else to run on this input, nothing else runs in 1080i that i have.
So SBRT is at 37 im about to do another greyscale...
It might have to be a little higher...
Things look kinda washed out now though, but i can see in oblivion now, sorta.. its getting there.. same with burnout, but its still kinda persistant in burn out

2170P-1 - 37 - SBRT
2170P-3 - 2 UBOF
2170P-4 - 0 BLK
2170P-3 - 0 UCOF
2170P-4 - 0 GAMM


Try GAMM = 1 and UCOF = anywhere from 1-5 depending on the video game system and scan mode, that should take away the washed out look. SBRT seems kinda high, but no two tvs are exactly alike.

Also I almost forgot to mention the best approach for setting SBRT or UBOF (in my experiences at least) is to use a black screen with some kind of text on it from the system (i.e. the Playstation 2 startup screen where is says Playstation 2). The text is on a line or a box if you will, which emits a different level of black than the background black making it appear gray all the way across the screen wherever the text is located. This is something you are not supposed to be able to see, so basically use that as a way of setting up for your gaming needs.

I'm coming to the conclusion (not a lot of people agree with me on this, but I believe it to be true) that you can leave UBOF at 0 or 1 or whatever it's default setting is, and set SBRT to the right level. Then you turn up GAMM to 3 and all should be good.
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post #1407 of 2959
4/8/06 at 9:15pm
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Originally Posted by SurfingMatt27 View Post

So when you play a PS2 game is it dark on the component input as well?

Also when you were calibrating SBRT for the 360 UBOF should be at 0. UBOF is a brightness offset,it's purpose is to balance the rest of the inputs in black level incase you see an inbalance.

my ubof is 2 by default though, but ok
i had to turn sbrt up to 40 today to see in GRAW
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post #1408 of 2959
4/8/06 at 9:18pm
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Originally Posted by irhxcbcziuzxs View Post

my ubof is 2 by default though, but ok
i had to turn sbrt up to 40 today to see in GRAW

You need to turn up your GAMM, give it a shot and you will see the difference.
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post #1409 of 2959
4/8/06 at 9:24pm
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Originally Posted by BoloTheRomeo View Post

Try GAMM = 1 and UCOF = anywhere from 1-5 depending on the video game system and scan mode, that should take away the washed out look. SBRT seems kinda high, but no two tvs are exactly alike.

Also I almost forgot to mention the best approach for setting SBRT or UBOF (in my experiences at least) is to use a black screen with some kind of text on it from the system (i.e. the Playstation 2 startup screen where is says Playstation 2). The text is on a line or a box if you will, which emits a different level of black than the background black making it appear gray all the way across the screen wherever the text is located. This is something you are not supposed to be able to see, so basically use that as a way of setting up for your gaming needs.

I'm coming to the conclusion (not a lot of people agree with me on this, but I believe it to be true) that you can leave UBOF at 0 or 1 or whatever it's default setting is, and set SBRT to the right level. Then you turn up GAMM to 3 and all should be good.

Seems about right Bolo, not sure about GAMM though since at 0 it should already be at Maximum Gamma,but then again these super fine pitch sony's tend to have a slightly darker picture than the hs420 series like the one i won so i guess that by you raising that setting it should work.
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post #1410 of 2959
4/8/06 at 9:33pm
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Originally Posted by SurfingMatt27 View Post

Seems about right Bolo, not sure about GAMM though since at 0 it should already be at Maximum Gamma,but then again these super fine pitch sony's tend to have a slightly darker picture than the hs420 series like the one i won so i guess that by you raising that setting it should work.

I have a 30HS420, and it's really hard to get a good viewing level for the 360 games without setting GAMM to a high level. If you set SBRT or UBOF too high it will wash out the blacks, and I don't really feel like raising the Contrast/Picture setting in the user menu.
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