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post #61 of 89
fun stuff. so yeah billings is screwed. FUN
post #62 of 89
Well, I personally don't know of any active movement towards the local-into-local situation, with regards to DirecTV. There still could be something going on. We always have hope, I suppose..
post #63 of 89
Any updates at all?
post #64 of 89
When talking to a DirecTV rep he said the reason they're not carrying the local channels is because the local stations won't let them on. Of course that's BULL. All the local stations want to be carried. After February they'll probably feel the competition and the pressure.

ABC N.Y. now says that the Mountain Time Zone feed goes away in February and will never be turned back on. That pretty much forces all the MTZ ABC affiliates to finance some type of HD delay system, or to buy a system that steps down the HD to SD or analog and then play back the lower quality with current set-ups. That will be a real tough choice for the small market stations. I don't know what the Billings station will do. The MaxMedia engineer says all Montana and Wyoming ABC stations are, at least, trying to find a way to keep and delay the HD signals.

From what I heard from the engineers, it sounds like KULR may stay at their current 16kw power level and KTVQ may stay at their current power level as well (I believe its around 5.3kw). KSVI and KHMT are supposed to be on air sometime in late December and both are supposed to be up around 1000kw in power. If so, an off-air signal may be available as far away as Powell, Wyoming. I still have concerns that that FOX signal won’t make it down to the people living deep in the Billings river valley (which is most everybody).
post #65 of 89
That would be nice if it would make it here to Powell...Though I suppose one would need a fairly decent antenna in order to pick it up?
post #66 of 89
Has anyone heard anything about ABC/FOX conversion to digital OTA. I thought they were supposed to convert on the 6th but I haven't picked up anything yet.
post #67 of 89
Hello Overlord: Interesting, I never heard about the 6th as an ABC or FOX date. I was told that ABC is all put together now and that they've been waiting awhile for the 'factory techs' to arrive to do the final tests (rumored to be on in a week or 2 - tho only as converted analog). I've heard that the FOX transmitter is still being assembled (rumor is 2 or 3 weeks out).
post #68 of 89
Check out the side bar in this article they say that it's supposed to be up on the 6th.I did a scan last night and my dish reciever didn't find anything but the TV tuner found 6.1 for ABC. They are still running @ 480 and it still looks like crap but at leasts it's better than nothing. I wish that who ever owned the station would take some pride in their business and get it together.

http://billingsgazette.net/articles/...-digitaltv.txt
post #69 of 89
This is from the Billings Gazette:

Quote:
Channels 4 and 6 are scheduled to have their full-power transmission commissioned on Jan. 6 and should begin broadcasting in high definition shortly after that date. Q2 and KULR-8 each broadcast two full-power digital program streams, one in high definition and one in standard definition.

Here's the link to the article:
Oops it's not letting me embed the link because it thinks I'm a spammer. The article is from the Dec. 17 Gazette, and is available online.

[edit: hey overlord, we posted the exact same thing at the exact same time. Must be something in the Billings water.]
post #70 of 89
I talked with an engineer at a Nexstar station (Nexstar owns Billings ABC and runs FOX). He says that all of Nexstar is having major money problems and they're planning major lay-offs, like everyone else. Nexstar is pretty much broke, like most other companies. He said several Nexstar DTV stations won't be on until March (Billings wasn't one of them).

I don't fault 8 & 2 for going short on their "full power" plans. they're only broadcasting at a small fraction of the power they were alloted, but where does a company get the money nowadays. Their staffs hate the fact that they're at such low power levels. Apparently 6 & 4 are trying to go with their alloted "full power" output, but that's got to cost millions and where does a company get millions in the Billings market. It isn't there.

There are NO 'Equity Broadcasting' TV stations left operating in Montana now, or anywhere else. They went bankrupt and shut down. Thousands of folks lost their jobs. All 4 of the Billings TV stations are struggling right now. I wouldn't want to be trying to run one, and I can't blame any of them for cutting or delaying..
post #71 of 89
think i'll be watching lost this season threw apple tv. even on bresnan abc is almost unwatchable on my flatscreen. fox's hd on bresnan is great though.
post #72 of 89
I was just made aware of this forum and thought I would chime in. I manage both stations and would encourage you to visit our website yourbigsky.com, click on the News drop down, then DTV Answers, then the Forum. It went dormant for a couple of months, i thought corporate had taken it down but i was misinformed and now I am trying to make entries daily.
I tried to put a link here for your convenience but the system worked and i couldn't.
The short of it is- ABC should be up this week in full power but the signal will be upconverted analog. As one of the post stated, ABC currently has no plans to give Mountain stations an HD feed so we are going back to tape delay from East Coast feeds. The last piece we were waiting on, the HD recorder, arrived yesterday but my engineers haven't given me a definitive time it will take to get it into the system and running. They are also busy constructing the HD microwave system between the transmitter and the station (ABC). The factory tech is doing a proofing of the ABC transmitter as we speak and plans to start on the Fox transmitter as soon as the ABC is complete. Another tech arrives tomorrow to complete the FOX proofing. The good news is that the Fox plant is complete and ready to broadcast in full power HD (it has been broadcasting low power for some time now) as soon as the factory tech says everything checks out. They are both million watt, water cooled transmitters and need to be proofed before running that much power through them. The good news for those of you who remember the "icing" problems in the past, my Chief Engineer says he doesn't think that will ever be a problem in the future because it will cook off so much heat on the antenna.

Channel 25 and 27- they remain analog but we are looking at ways to use our resources to upgrade them to HD. The company is trying to help us make the Fox low power HD transmitter (Channel 22-1) work for the Channel 27 analog signal (FOX) but i don't know when that would happen as it will require FCC approval. Nexstar is not laying off lots of people nor are we in financial trouble has someone quoted one of my engineers. I only have two and I would be surprised if they had said that. We have made adjustments to deal with the current economic situation but i don't know of any of the 51 stations that has had layoffs (unless you call attrition a layoff).

Probably more than you wanted to know, but...

Jerry
post #73 of 89
thanks for the info Jerry and welcome to the board.

So my question is, will your station be rebroadcasting HD shows, just on tape delay? LOST for instance. Live sports i guess will be an upconverted analog?

To be honest, i couldn't bring myself to watch some of the college bowl games on ABC this year or the NBA finals last year due to the lack of quality. I now have rented LOST on DVD as it's too good of a show to watch on analog. I can't understand the logic of not having a Mountain HD feed, ABC is loosing viewers as a result. For what it's worth.
post #74 of 89
i agree i have held of picking up a appletv just to rent lost in hopes they will atleast be getting that to us in hd once the recorder is installed but dang it's really hard to watch on my flat screen in analog it looks like hell.
post #75 of 89
Yes thanks for the info Jerry. You've been very open about the process.

Unfortunately I can't pick up ABC or Fox in digital at all. The TV just shows "no signal" and the screen is blank. Digital NBC and CBS look great, with only rare noise. PBS comes through in analog and looks fine. ABC and Fox look terrible in analog and don't come in at all via digital.

I live a block south of the rims just north of about where 24th st. west is, and I have an indoor antenna. I'm thinking about getting a rooftop antenna, but I'm a bit reluctant because I don't even know if that will pick up Fox and ABC. I don't have cable or satellite, and I have to say it's a bit frustrating to not receive half of the major networks.

I'm curious about how others are picking up these stations now that they're in digital.

[edit]Forgot to mention: I've tried 6.1, 4.1, 25.1 and 27.1. Are those the right channels, or should I try something else?
post #76 of 89
I am now receiving all of the major networks OTA now and for once in my life I can say that FOX looks great on the rebroadcast stuff. It was nice to be able to watch the Simpsons and Family Guy again.

Any word on PBS? This would be a life saver so I can DVR some shows for my son.
post #77 of 89
anybody hear anything on when bresnan will start broadcasting abc in hd?
post #78 of 89
This is more of a bump for the forum to see if anyone is alive out there as you probably already all know about this.

PBS HD along with a few sub channels can now be had in Billings. K20HB-D at 20.1 is the main. I am able to pick up all channels at roughly 24th and Broadwater with a non amplified roof top antenna. Still can't get Fox digital though.

I'm going to be moving soon, not too far away (about 32nd and Central), and was wondering if anyone had advice on an antenna. I don't really want to put one on the roof again but would be willing to put one in the attic space. Am I going to need an amplified antenna to get the same reception if it's in the attic? Any one "in the valley" have any luck with getting Fox in digital yet?
post #79 of 89
I'm in the heights and I'll be setting up my new tv to see what if any changes there are with OTA reception in the area.....
post #80 of 89
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry Jones View Post

I was just made aware of this forum and thought I would chime in. I manage both stations and would encourage you to visit our website yourbigsky.com, click on the News drop down, then DTV Answers, then the Forum. It went dormant for a couple of months, i thought corporate had taken it down but i was misinformed and now I am trying to make entries daily.
I tried to put a link here for your convenience but the system worked and i couldn't.
The short of it is- ABC should be up this week in full power but the signal will be upconverted analog. As one of the post stated, ABC currently has no plans to give Mountain stations an HD feed so we are going back to tape delay from East Coast feeds. The last piece we were waiting on, the HD recorder, arrived yesterday but my engineers haven't given me a definitive time it will take to get it into the system and running. They are also busy constructing the HD microwave system between the transmitter and the station (ABC). The factory tech is doing a proofing of the ABC transmitter as we speak and plans to start on the Fox transmitter as soon as the ABC is complete. Another tech arrives tomorrow to complete the FOX proofing. The good news is that the Fox plant is complete and ready to broadcast in full power HD (it has been broadcasting low power for some time now) as soon as the factory tech says everything checks out. They are both million watt, water cooled transmitters and need to be proofed before running that much power through them. The good news for those of you who remember the "icing" problems in the past, my Chief Engineer says he doesn't think that will ever be a problem in the future because it will cook off so much heat on the antenna.

Channel 25 and 27- they remain analog but we are looking at ways to use our resources to upgrade them to HD. The company is trying to help us make the Fox low power HD transmitter (Channel 22-1) work for the Channel 27 analog signal (FOX) but i don't know when that would happen as it will require FCC approval. Nexstar is not laying off lots of people nor are we in financial trouble has someone quoted one of my engineers. I only have two and I would be surprised if they had said that. We have made adjustments to deal with the current economic situation but i don't know of any of the 51 stations that has had layoffs (unless you call attrition a layoff).

Probably more than you wanted to know, but...

Jerry


Jerry,
You care to comment on why we (in Billings) can't seem to get locals on DirecTV when markets like Bozeman have locals on DirecTV ?

thanks,
post #81 of 89
My Samsung LCD isn't able to pick up FOX or NBC at all, where as when it was analog there was no problem. I have an amplified antenna, and have done an automatic search but still...nothing. I live in 32nd street by Boulder elementary. Does that have anything to do with it? How can I pick up those channels again? ABC, CW, and CBS come in okay.

Any help would be appreciated.
post #82 of 89
Quote:
Originally Posted by STaylor2111 View Post

My Samsung LCD isn't able to pick up FOX or NBC at all, where as when it was analog there was no problem. I have an amplified antenna, and have done an automatic search but still...nothing. I live in 32nd street by Boulder elementary. Does that have anything to do with it? How can I pick up those channels again? ABC, CW, and CBS come in okay.

Any help would be appreciated.

I have to imagine it's an antenna issue or something. I have a samsung plasma and I'm in the heights. I have a crappy super old antenna sorta in my attic that is non amplified and I'm pulling NBC "ok".... occasionally it'll break up. Of course Fox is garbage and I can't get anything, what a surprise.
post #83 of 89
Ok

Gotta post an update.

I am now able to pull the following quite well: (I am in the heights in a lower area.)


CBS 2.1 is great
Fox 4.1 is very acceptable
ABC 6.1 is incredibly clear. 100% most times
NBC 8.1 is the pathetic one now.

I'm using a D* AM21 tuner which gives me some decent feedback as far as signal strength goes. As stated above NBC KULR 8 is the absolute most difficult to pull consistently. The most frustrating thing is that I have to monkey around with my antenna to get it to come in so it affects all my other stations.
post #84 of 89
I have an omnidirectional antenna installed by DirecTV, live in North Park area, right at rims.

It used to get 65% on KSVI_ABC and around 45% for KHMT-FOX. So was able to get everything fine except for Fox dropping out from time to time.

A few weeks ago my ABC went to "No signal found." And has stayed that way since. However, all others are as before, nearly 100% for 2.1, 2.2, 8.1, 8.2, and all of the 16's, and around 45% for FOX.

So I'm confused as to why I would lose so much for so long on KSVI_ABC. Zero.

Can anyone give me an idea as to why this happened?

Thanks.
post #85 of 89
I'm in the heights and don't seem to be having any issues with ABC.

Are you still having issues?

I still would love to know why NONE of the Billings local stations can manage to get on DirecTV when Bozeman locals are on DirecTV.... makes no sense.
post #86 of 89
I'm looking to "cut the cable" and found this thread. Any updates on the quality I can expect to get in Billings?
post #87 of 89
Hey:

This thread hasn't been posted in for more than a year, so let me jump in just in case nobody else is reading here anymore.

In Billings, you're looking at receiving six stations:

KTVQ-2 (2-1 CBS-HD, 2-2 CW-SD)
KHMT-4 (4-1 FOX-HD)
KSVI-6 (6-1 ABC-HD)
KULR-8 (8-1 NBC-HD, 8-2 Weather-SD)
K14IS-14 (14-1 Religion-SD)
KBGS-16 (16-1 PBS-HD, 16-2 Kids SD, 16-3 Create SD, 16-4 World SD, 16-5 Legislature SD)

KTVQ and KULR are on VHF, so you will need an antenna that will deal with both UHF and VHF.

Do you have any specific questions that I could attempt to answer?

- Trip
post #88 of 89
So I am getting ready to move to Billings this Summer and in process of deciding which HD service to get. I am inclined to go with DirecTv to get the NFL package but was curious how reception is over the winter. I had DirecTv in the past in Chicago and had some issues with service getting disrupted by weather etc.

Is this an issue in Billings? Also curious if local channels have been activated yet?

Thanks for any guidance or advice.
post #89 of 89
I concur on your channel linup for Billings. This 6 Stations break down to 12 digital Channels.

I am pretty surprised at the content being provided. It's pretty decent and has allowed me to reduce expenses quite a bit. The channels are very clear, now that most of the stations know what they are doing.

I am using legacy antenna equipment that was mounted on the roof at least over a decade ago with no problems.
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