It amazes me that people in this hobby still don't understand this. Take for example Speaker brand X. It uses drivers and tweeters built by various companies that really aren't that expensive. They house them in a nice cabinet with lots of curves and beautiful finishes that they designed. So at the end of the day they have labor on those cabinets and the crossovers that they have to pay for. The drivers in quantity aren't that much. But get them in a store and you can add 500% to the price and they move. Because they are geared at an audiophile market and they are only going to sell so many. The same principle applies here.
So true! When I was speaker hunting last summer, I really found out what kind of gouge jobs exist all over the place. It's really no wonder you see fights break out in the speaker forum at the drop of a hat. You really have to watch yourself VERY carefully when looking for speakers.
I quit purchasing Thiels ect years ago in favor of custom built no name speakers using some of the best drivers ,inductors and xover parts available ....and could not be happier with the end result.
all the way for me. I couldn't ask for more, and the price I got my speakers at made me dance a jig in the streets. ;) I even got a nice piano finish as a little bonus. :p
|As far as the flagship Teac, nobody seems to be impressed with it on the audio boards either from a price/performance standpoint.
I'd sure be angry if I bought one of those and saw players $10,000 cheaper either hanging with it or beating it outright. That bad boy would be on videgon so fast it would make your head spin.
I'd do like the guy in our Onkyo Pro thread did with his Linn Unidisc. I'd sell it, pocket the cash difference, and buy either a Denon 5910, and Onkyo 1000, and Integra 10.5, or I might splurge for one of the Integra Researches...and make out "like a Bandit." :D
Reading this entire thread, and it's a hell of a good read all the way...I come away with one observation and one question and I'd like to field responses.
1.) I'm encouraged by one obvious trend: Giant Killers. It's obvious by now that the Denon 5910 and Onkyo/Integra units (not even including the Research models, but you can if you want) - all either hang respectably with, or even beat out five figure models! That's great for consumers!
2.) The flipside of that leads to this obvious question: What does five figures really get you with these monster DVD players like a Teac, or so on, given the discussion we're having in this thread?
I think Earz hit on a lot of the truth to this thing. They charge five figures and package 'em up real nice, because they know there's a certain "'phile type" that'll bite on it everytime. I've had very simillar experiences with speakers myself.
I guess if they can get away with charging five figures for something that really shouldn't cost nearly that much they'll do it. That's the real lesson here isn't it? ;)
I'm having that lesson pounded into me right now as I am in the hunt for a display upgrade now. When you start seeing $13,000 LCoS Sony Qualias and so forth, you just start scratching your head after a point.
I must say: With the super fast and influx manner that the electronics market is in right now, especially for displays, it's downright intimidating. It's easily making my hunts for any of the rest of my gear seem like Sesame Street in comparsion.
I suspect I won't finally settle on something until well into the Fall. I'll have it done before Xbox 360 is out, though. ;)
Feel free to PM me ANY tips, advice, or whatever about looking for displays. :)