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post #451 of 4014
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Originally Posted by kjongsma View Post

If you look at your warranty card, it says that you get a 3 month warranty extention (15 vs 12 months) if you fill out the web form.

Looks like I gots me a little "to do" when I get home!
post #452 of 4014
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Originally Posted by Breddy View Post

I finally recieved my Bush Edgewood stand and got the HLR5067W perched on it. Still some tweaking required, as well as some wire cleanup, but here's the room:

http://gallery.avsforum.com/showphot...14855/size/big

I left off the 3" pedestal/baseboard from the Bush stand so that it wouldn't be too high. It is very close to perfect; about 1-2" higher than optimal, but no noticeable drop in brightness when seated at my couch.

With a little playing around, I think I can get a couple good shots of HD content, preserving the quality. If anyone is interested, I'll post em up. If not, I won't waste the time

Enjoy,

Breddy

Looks great. I'm debating the same stand. From other online posts it seams to be well built, but a pain to put together (3 hours). My one holdup is the center speaker. Could you post the dimensions of the center shelves?

Thanks!
post #453 of 4014
I posted this on the Basic Widescreen Thread as well.

Owners of the HLR sets should be aware that viewing in 4:3 Aspect Ratio should be limited to no more than 15% of our total viewing per week. Found this in the paperwork that came with my set and confirmed it with Samsung.

Thought the Plasmas were the ones with burn in issues - not so.
post #454 of 4014
I don't see that in my HLR paperwork. In fact, it explicity says there are no burn-in problems. And if 4:3 was a problem, then 2.35:1 ought to be a problem too.
post #455 of 4014
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Originally Posted by 95se View Post

Looks great. I'm debating the same stand. From other online posts it seams to be well built, but a pain to put together (3 hours). My one holdup is the center speaker. Could you post the dimensions of the center shelves?

Thanks!

I have the same HLR5067 and stand. I also had concerns and problems with the center shelf and my center channel speaker, as it turns out I had to buy a new speaker.

Going off memory, I believe the center shelf is approx 17.5" wide...my old center speaker is around 19" and my new on is 16.5", nice tight fit, looks great.
post #456 of 4014
And the fact that there is nothing to burn. Its all basically light. Unless they are saying the light is so focused that it will burn a hole in the screen and shoot out killing all those in the room?
post #457 of 4014
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Originally Posted by terkar View Post

I posted this on the Basic Widescreen Thread as well.

Owners of the HLR sets should be aware that viewing in 4:3 Aspect Ratio should be limited to no more than 15% of our total viewing per week. Found this in the paperwork that came with my set and confirmed it with Samsung.

Thought the Plasmas were the ones with burn in issues - not so.

Even if the information came from Samsung it is not correct, and it might be better if you weren't so active in spreading it around the forum.

It can be confusing to people who haven't followed DLP for years, and who have not also dealt with misplaced boiler-plat text in manuals.
post #458 of 4014
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Originally Posted by terkar View Post

... and confirmed it with Samsung.

Even though the "facts" indicate that this bit of info is incorrect, out of curiosity, with whom or in what capacity was the person at Samsung who provided "confirmation."
post #459 of 4014
Can you imagine how this would negatively impact the sales of Samsung DLP's if they really had an issue with burn in!?!?
post #460 of 4014
Thread Starter 
Burn-in is not an issue on DLP sets. The concept makes absolutely no sense. Here is a link to Samsung's current DLP brochure. On page #2 it states there is NEVER any risk of burn-in

http://product.samsung.com/SamsungUS...5667W6167W.PDF
post #461 of 4014
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Originally Posted by Rob Tomlin View Post

Can you imagine how this would negatively impact the sales of Samsung DLP's if they really had an issue with burn in!?!?

It comes up every time that paragraph winds up in a new model's User Guide.

I thought Samsung's documentation people have gotten rid of it but like Jack Nicholson's .... Jack Torrance in the Shining. "I'm back .....!"
post #462 of 4014
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Originally Posted by cpb_mille View Post

I've been using the thx opitmizer (that comes on some dvds) to fine tune the picture since I don't have the DVE or AVIA dvds.

I noticed on one of the video tests that the picture if offset in the vertical by around 10 mm ! Is this due to the DVD or the TV ? Anybody else notice this ?

This quote peaked my curiosity. So I popped in a THX dvd, ran the test and saw the same display offset as cpb_mille. Could be the factory default settings. Everyone else seeing the same scenario? Anyone tweak things through the service menu yet??
post #463 of 4014
I've had the HLR 4667 for about 2 weeks now and the overall picture quality looks great while watching HD. I have however noticed tremendous ghosting while watching movies on SD and DVD. Anyone else experiencing the same problem?

I've gone through a calibration DVD and was wondering if there's anything else I can do to eliminate this issue?
post #464 of 4014
Anyone know if the HLR-5667W can handle PAL format?
post #465 of 4014
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Afergy View Post

I've had the HLR 4667 for about 2 weeks now and the overall picture quality looks great while watching HD. I have however noticed tremendous ghosting while watching movies on SD and DVD. Anyone else experiencing the same problem?

I've gone through a calibration DVD and was wondering if there's anything else I can do to eliminate this issue?

What DVD player are you using, what signal are you sending to the TV (480i, 480p, 720p), what input on the TV are you using, and what cable are you using?
post #466 of 4014
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Originally Posted by twinmax04 View Post

Anyone know if the HLR-5667W can handle PAL format?

Can you be a bit more specific regarding the source? I play PAL video using the VGA interface on my HLR4667W with no problem. I have loads of PAL DVDs, but my DVD player converts to NTSC. Haven't tried seeing if I could output in PAL from the player, but I can look at it tonight.
post #467 of 4014
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Originally Posted by hebmeister View Post

This quote peaked my curiosity. So I popped in a THX dvd, ran the test and saw the same display offset as cpb_mille. Could be the factory default settings. Everyone else seeing the same scenario? Anyone tweak things through the service menu yet??


Might want to read posts 467-470, or somewhere in there.
The DVD player and connection type may have something to do with it.
And yet, I would also like hear if anyone has gone into the service menu to tweak things.

In any case, I've had my tv for about a week but I've just returned it. WorstBuy is going to pick it up no questions asked, no additional charges. I'm going to try and jump in on the 1080P powerbuy
post #468 of 4014
UCSB: I do not have the DLP Brochure - I have the HLR5067 AND the Owners Manual. P. 2 of my manual refers to Tradmark and lic. Notice Info.

HTWAITS: I did not realize I was all THAT active. Just trying to pass on information I found by reading the information that came with my set.

I have a single sheet of paper with all the rest which states "IMPORTANT WARRANTY INFORMATION REGARDING TELEVISION FORMAT VIEWING"

This paper says to limit viewing of less than full screen to 15% per week. I called the Samsung customer service number and talked to a tech. rep. Told him I had the DLP HLR50-67 and he confirmed the burn in issue.

If the information I received with my HLR5067 and from the Samsung Rep. is in error, how so? Where in the Owners Manual does it say DLP has no burn in issues?


BTW: The burn in issue doesn't seem to have affected PLASMA sales.
post #469 of 4014
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Originally Posted by terkar View Post

HTWAITS: I did not realize I was all THAT active. Just trying to pass on information I found by reading the information that came with my set.

One question may be worth a thousand (or two) premature announcements.

This link will take you to Samsung's web page for your set.

http://product.samsung.com/cgi-bin/n...LR5067WX%2fXAA

Samsung is a very big organization and it's almost never perfect in the information that it communicates. It's especially hard to find, train and retain qualified low lever costumer support people. And I can guarantee that those putting that burn-in flyer into your TV's box were not engineers from the DLP area.

You have to understand that the DLP addicts in this forum have been at it since 2002. There is no basis for burn-in when DLP technology is used. That characteristic has been a big selling point from DLP's inception. Light and mirrors is how its done. No stimulated phosphors are used at any point.
post #470 of 4014
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Originally Posted by terkar View Post

If the information I received with my HLR5067 and from the Samsung Rep. is in error, how so?

Burn-in is caused by one of two things: An electron gun that is exciting certain specific phospher pixels to the same intensity for a continuous period of time (ie a CRT)

-or-

Plasma pixels that are being lit continuously by electrical charge.

A DLP works by shining a single light source continuously against a mirror array, which reflects that light onto a translucent screen.

There's nothing to "burn in" in a DLP projector. You can shine the light full bright white with a black pattern for 8000 hours, replace the bulb when it fails and you won't see so much as a shadow. The mirror does not get impressed with a pattern nor does the screen.

Manufacturers use standard language that has been vetted by their lawyers. Changing that legalese is very difficult, especially as they use similar language in all their TVs, some of which burn in warnings do apply. Since telling you not to watch more than 15% SD pictures on a Wide screen does no harm, they probably aren't in a big hurry to take the warning away.
post #471 of 4014
Joined while looking for information on my new set.

I purchased the HL-R4667W model yesterday and I am in shock and awe (in a good way).

Have it running with Comcast digital cable (getting an HD PVR today from them) a Sony progressive scan DVD player via component, a Pelican System Selector Pro (I hate Pelican but this thing is quite good) Xbox, PS2 and GameCube all via component. Audio is fed to a set of Logitech Z5500 via optical.



I did have to tweak the image a bit to get it to look better. I read all my documentation and couldn't find the paper saying that 4:3 causes burn-in. In any case, it's impossible.

This is my first HD set and I'm in heaven.
post #472 of 4014
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Originally Posted by cpb_mille View Post

Might want to read posts 467-470, or somewhere in there.
The DVD player and connection type may have something to do with it.
And yet, I would also like hear if anyone has gone into the service menu to tweak things.

In any case, I've had my tv for about a week but I've just returned it. WorstBuy is going to pick it up no questions asked, no additional charges. I'm going to try and jump in on the 1080P powerbuy

This sucks. I'm getting my 56 delivered tomorrow via the A* deal. I hope I have better luck. I'll let you know.
post #473 of 4014
....another HLR5667W annoyance I've come across with OTA programmed channels.
I programmed x number of channels into memory on day1 (after an autochannel setup). I've noticed 2 or 3 times now that new channels mysteriously appeared in my channel lineup. And these are channels not in reception. I've had to go back into the menu and manually delete the unwanted channels.

EDIT:
By the way, my returning the TV was not due the vertical misalignment (which you cannot notice when watching DVDs or OTA channels).

HD picture quality is absolutely phenomenal but I think I jumped the gun and now I want to upgrade to 1080P.
post #474 of 4014
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Originally Posted by kjongsma View Post

Can you be a bit more specific regarding the source? I play PAL video using the VGA interface on my HLR4667W with no problem. I have loads of PAL DVDs, but my DVD player converts to NTSC. Haven't tried seeing if I could output in PAL from the player, but I can look at it tonight.

My DVD player (S97S) plays PAL but it does not convert it to NTSC. My TV (HLR-5667W) says that it does not recognize the signal or something similar to that.
post #475 of 4014
I was an owner of an HLR6167 for all of an hour. I unboxed the shoddy packaging, and the screen was cracked . Samsung really needs to package these better. There is no protection for the screen at all. Sears will try another delivery Friday. I hope the second is a charm.
post #476 of 4014
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Originally Posted by UCSB View Post

What DVD player are you using, what signal are you sending to the TV (480i, 480p, 720p), what input on the TV are you using, and what cable are you using?

DVD is Panasonic DMR-E80H, signal being sent at 480P. Using component input with cable company issued component cables. Also connected: *D HD Tivo through component cables and a cable HD DVR connected through DVI. The ghosting doesn't happen all the time; just during movies that have dark scenes.

I can't imagine I'm the only one experiencing the ghosting. If anyone else is having the same issues and has a fix (if any) please let me know.
post #477 of 4014
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Originally Posted by twinmax04 View Post

Anyone know if the HLR-5667W can handle PAL format?

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Originally Posted by kjongsma View Post

Can you be a bit more specific regarding the source? I play PAL video using the VGA interface on my HLR4667W with no problem. I have loads of PAL DVDs, but my DVD player converts to NTSC. Haven't tried seeing if I could output in PAL from the player, but I can look at it tonight.

Whether the signal source is NTSC or PAL is only an issue over component or svideo connections. VGA, DVI and HDMI handle color differently and whether the source is NTSC or PAL is moot. I believe the same is true for component, but I'm not certain.

Assuming were talking DVD here: Some DVD players will output the color system the disk is encoded with, some will convert. If your TV cannot handle PAL as well as NTSC (I dont think it does) then your DVD player should be set to only ever output NTSC. If it cant then you wont be able to play that DVD. Sorry.

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Originally Posted by twinmax04 View Post

My DVD player (S97S) plays PAL but it does not convert it to NTSC. My TV (HLR-5667W) says that it does not recognize the signal or something similar to that.

Seems to confirm the TV cannot handle a PAL signal. You need to convert the signal to NTSC. I don't have the DVD player, but maybe it can be set to output NTSC. If not then your only option is a format converter....and good ones aren't cheap.
post #478 of 4014
How do you access the service menu? Is it dangerous to mess with that stuff? Is there a guide to what is in there?
post #479 of 4014
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Originally Posted by LSUMBA View Post

How do you access the service menu?

See below for more than you might want to know. Remember it's based on HLN/HLP sets. I know nothing about any changes that may be in the HLR SM.

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Is it dangerous to mess with that stuff?

It can be.

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Is there a guide to what is in there?

Not that I know about.

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Originally posted by millerwill
htwaits: Is it possible for you to give a step-by-step 'idiot proof' protocol for going into the SM and making this gamma change? I've never been into the SM and have always been nervous about the idea. But you sound like it's worth it. (Have a 6163.)

Can one idiot protect other idiots?

Here are the "enter-SM" instructions for the HLN sets. They are the same for a HLP set but the contents of the SM and navigation keys are different. I haven't checked all the navigation instructions myself.

Find Samsung Firmware Version:

The firmware version installed on any set is recorded on the first page of the SM. There is a long ID number at the bottom of the page. The last three digits (HLN) or last four digits (HLP) are the firmware version of your set.

Remember that in any dealing with Samsung you are not supposed to know your firmware version.

Record your User Settings for "Picture" before you enter the SM. The HLP sets will revert to factory defaults for the UM when you exit the SM.

Instructions for accessing the Samsung Service Menu:

Anyone using these suggestions should know that the only change I have ever made to the SM is changing GAMMA from the default value to zero. I have never "messed around" in the SM. Remember that there is no reset function. If you see something that looks like one don't use it.

I can recommend, without any reservations, recording all original SM settings before making additional changes.

****** Thanks to LCH. 09/02/2003 ******

Turn Melody off in the user menu (allows entering the Service Menu from power On state without using a lamp cycle).

With the set ON, press Power-Mute-1-8-2-Power in quick succession.
(If the set is already off, just do Mute-1-8-2-Power )

The service menu should appear for the input you were viewing before keying the above sequence. Be sure to give the set enough time to complete the process(30-60 seconds).

While in the service menu, you can change inputs with the TV/Video button to view the SM for other modes.

Use the CH up, CH down & select keys to navigate the Service Menu. Press MENU to return to the main Service Menu after viewing individual functions.

Later, you will use the VOL(+) & VOL(-) keys to change the SM values.

" ... when you access the SM on the HLPxx63 (probably all HLP models), the directional arrows around the "Enter" button control navigation, not the volume and channel buttons ..." MacGyver1970.

To Exit the SM, power off. Leave it off for several(30) seconds. (until all cooling activity is complete)

Example steps to change GAMMA on a HLP5063 with firmware version 1011 and a build date of May 2004:

The SM main menu looks like this.

1. DDP1011 (The GAMMA setting is here.)
2. GM1601
3. DNIe
4. FLI2310
5. CXA2171
6. Vsp9437
7. Upd 64083
8. CCA
9. SP Actuator
10. OPTION (The tally of hours of lamp operation is in this menu.)

Ver: T_ATLNUS_1011 (this is the firmware version)

First record user menu entries for "picture" and enter SM.

Steps from the main SM.

1. Select DDP1011 using the directional arrow keys -- up and down.
2. Enter DDP1011. I used the right arrow key but maybe the "enter" key will work too.
3. Select GAMMA using the up or down arrow key.
4. I entered GAMMA using the right arrow key, but the "enter" key may also work.
5. I used the right and left arrow keys to change the value of GAMMA.
6. I used the up arrow key to return to the DDP1011 menu. Again, the "enter" key or "menu" key might do the same thing.
7. I returned to the main SM with the "menu" key.
8. Power off and wait for a full shut down to save entries that you have changed in the SM.

9. Power on after about 30 seconds and enter your user menu picture settings.

This change to GAMMA makes "some" owners happy. I feel that after setting GAMMA to zero and setting brightness with the DVE DVD that the details in dark scenes were improved. To really get the most out of our set I am getting an ISF calibration done by SethS.

As of 12/14/2004:
Mode = Cinema
contrast = 90
brightness = 45
sharpness = 0
color = 48
Digital NR = OFF
DNIe = OFF

Enjoy.
post #480 of 4014
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Originally Posted by cpb_mille View Post

....another HLR5667W annoyance I've come across with OTA programmed channels.
I programmed x number of channels into memory on day1 (after an autochannel setup). I've noticed 2 or 3 times now that new channels mysteriously appeared in my channel lineup. And these are channels not in reception. I've had to go back into the menu and manually delete the unwanted channels.

FWIW, there's a second menu (at least in my 5067w) where you get a grid of all the OTA signals available. I then select ones I want to show and ones I want to skip there.
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