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post #12001 of 29213
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Originally Posted by sivartk View Post

The Harmony remotes do a good job ...

I found that NOT to be the case. A year ago the Harmony database only had code 50, and the tech support had NO CLUE about supporting code 51 (I have two DHGs). So I returned the 880, and bought a Philips Pronto TSU9400. Now, that is one ultimo programmable remote, even allowing custom graphics and Javascript for custom user functions.
post #12002 of 29213
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Originally Posted by PhilB View Post

My DHGs have TVGOS versions 8.1.42/8.6.44. I wonder if this means that after the analog cut-off, should I lose my downloaded TVGOS software, then I'm out of luck as the default version will not know how to download an update from the digital stream?

-phil

There was a post quoting a gemstar guy as saying the RCA 800B CECB box passed the guide data and there's speculation that the DTVpal does also. So the correct converter box should solve that problem.
post #12003 of 29213
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Originally Posted by rcrach View Post

There was a post quoting a gemstar guy as saying the RCA 800B CECB box passed the guide data and there's speculation that the DTVpal does also. So the correct converter box should solve that problem.

So far, no one has reported trying this with the RCA, perhaps because they are so hard to find - I've tried to get one and failed.

As far as the DTVPal is concerned, no one has been able to get TVGOS data from a digital station with it, so far, as reported in the LG3410a thread and the "DTVPal and TVGOS" thread...as to why, Jan J in the 3410 thread reported someone (maybe a Gemstar guy) telling him that in Chicago, at least, they aren't yet broadcasting the "proper" TVGOS data, but no one really knows what that means...
post #12004 of 29213
The One For All URC6131N - 6-Device Universal Upgradeable Remote works well for me. It's inexpensive, and controls my Replay/TV, the Sony HDD500, as well as the other standard components. It's a learning remote, so if you have the original remote, that seemed to be the easiest way for me to program some of the functions I wanted. It also had buttons for 2 macros that were long enough for me to turn on close-caption (11 or 13 steps, I seem to recall). Also, the buttons I use most are in the middle so it was easier to use. I tried the Phillips, but the VCR-functions and the number pad were reversed from what I was used to.
post #12005 of 29213
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Originally Posted by avnstf View Post

As far as the DTVPal is concerned, no one has been able to get TVGOS data from a digital station with it, so far, as reported in the LG3410a thread and the "DTVPal and TVGOS" thread...as to why, Jan J in the 3410 thread reported someone (maybe a Gemstar guy) telling him that in Chicago, at least, they aren't yet broadcasting the "proper" TVGOS data, but no one really knows what that means...

Tried the Pal with two different HDD/DVD recorders with TVGOS, and so far, nothing. And Chicago's supposed to be sending the digital data (must not be the "proper" one).

Nobody in the DVD Recorders and CECB forums has gotten it to work yet, either. (I know you know this, but I just thought I'd put it out there for anyone else who isn't aware.)

Haven't gotten around to trying it with the Sony yet.
post #12006 of 29213
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Originally Posted by Mike LS View Post

That is one a$$-ugly remote, but seems to be exactly what I'm looking for otherwise. Thanks for the tip!

The reason I mentioned this model is because it's specifically built for PVR usage. It's also brand new, and it carries most or all of the codes for the CECB boxes (that can be controlled by aftermarket remotes - it has a very extensive code list), along with a lot of other, newer stuff (it might even have the code for the Philips 3576H DVR, but I don't have one around to try it with).

It also has backlighting, which the Sony doesn't, but the Sony might be better anyway, because it's got that "last channel" button that works with the DVR.

I compared the two in the stores pretty closely, though, and I think the Philips might have a few more PVR-related buttons (or at least more you can learn to), since it is built especially for those.
post #12007 of 29213
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Originally Posted by avnstf View Post

...in Chicago, at least, they aren't yet broadcasting the "proper" TVGOS data, but no one really knows what that means...

Based on the prevailing theory, I think that means GemStar is not yet delivering TVGOS data (to the CBS stations) customized for the special DTVPal zipcodes. But I'm not sure that explains why you couldn't keep your zipcode the same (i.e. NOT set the Sony to the fake zipcode) and pull standard zipcode data from the converted VBI (Or maybe everybody's so obsessed with following the instructions, nobody's even tried that.)

Interesting data point on the RCA 800B, though.
post #12008 of 29213
My DVR flaked out and stopped getting TV Guide Data (but my Pioneer continued fine).

Finally I did a complete reset and it picked up Digital 4-1 CBS as host channel. VBI test pass. But no guide data.

So I looked in the Pioneer TV and noticed it was using Analog 0-25 Fox and working fine.

So I tried to set 0-25 as host Channel and still no guide.

If I run VBI Tests on 0-25 they fail.

What the heck is going on. How is the Pioneer working on 0-25 as host and the Sony DVR won't let me set it to the same channel as host.

The OTA Antenna is evenly split to both devices.

They both tune 25 analog perfectly.

I'm in Boston area (30 miles west) and everything I see on SpiffSpace.com is either potentially 4.1 CBS or PBS 2, no mention of Fox 25 Analog. But I have no VHF antenna and 0-2 can't be received on either device. I always assumed my host was 0-2 Analog PBS even I can't really receive it. Had not really thought about it.

Any ideas?

EDIT: I also don't understand how to "Remap" a channel to try this way of controlling what it uses for the Host. I can Enable and Disable a Channel but how the heck to you remap it. I assume this is talking about the Tuner channels and not the TV-Guide Channels since the TV-Guide channels is empty there is nothing to remap.
post #12009 of 29213
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Originally Posted by mswlogo View Post

What the heck is going on. How is the Pioneer working on 0-25 as host and the Sony DVR won't let me set it to the same channel as host.

Maybe the Pioneer doesn't use the same TVGOS version as the DHGs.
post #12010 of 29213
Yesterday when looking over all the screens I could find in the Sony Menu - I noticed a couple of things I have not seen before.

The default channel for TV Guide and the Clock is 8-0 (the same analogue PBS it has always been); but the "backup default" for the clock is 26-0. That has changed, because it also use to be 8-0.

There is an ATSC slicer page (I have no idea what that is?). The entire screen is filled in with "zeros"?
post #12011 of 29213
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Originally Posted by rayliner View Post

The One For All URC6131N - 6-Device Universal Upgradeable Remote works well for me. It's inexpensive, and controls my Replay/TV, the Sony HDD500, as well as the other standard components. It's a learning remote, so if you have the original remote, that seemed to be the easiest way for me to program some of the functions I wanted. It also had buttons for 2 macros that were long enough for me to turn on close-caption (11 or 13 steps, I seem to recall). Also, the buttons I use most are in the middle so it was easier to use. I tried the Phillips, but the VCR-functions and the number pad were reversed from what I was used to.

Looking at the pic of that remote on the OFA website, I may have one of those at my house. I bought a OFA remote in hopes of using it to control an older, analog DVR a while back, and when it didn't work, I think it got tucked away somewhere. I'll have to try to locate that and see if it'll do the trick.
post #12012 of 29213
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Originally Posted by mswlogo View Post

EDIT: I also don't understand how to "Remap" a channel to try this way of controlling what it uses for the Host. I can Enable and Disable a Channel but how the heck to you remap it. I assume this is talking about the Tuner channels and not the TV-Guide Channels since the TV-Guide channels is empty there is nothing to remap.

Since 0-25 or WFXT Fox 25 is the host "station" that your box is set to, you can control the actual host "channel" in the TV Guide channel edit. I'm assuming you have a WFXT Antenna and a WFXT Cable. Edit the channel for WFXT Antenna to be 25. Turn WFXT Antenna on in the guide.

(It may still work with WFXT Antenna turned off - you can try that later once you have this working. Mine works with the host CFTO Cable 13 off, as long as it's partner CFTO Antenna is on - even though CFTO Antenna is set to a digital station 9.1 that has no TV Guide.).

If you don't like the fact that WFXT is now set to analog 25 because you watch HD instead, use one of the other spares such as WFXT-HD Antenna and set that to 25.1 for daily viewing.
post #12013 of 29213
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Originally Posted by Equally_Wrong View Post

I'm sorry in advance, but why is there still daily discussions on this device? The DHG-HDDXX0 is all but dead since cable boxes are low cost and tivo's are nearly free now. I even find it remarkable that there is an active collectors market on Ebay for these things which explains why someone is still willing to pay $700+ for the 500. I don't want to rain on anyones parade but for the people that are viewing this as a collectors item what is your basis? Is it because it was Sony's last hard drive based DVR? For those that are using theirs daily please accept my apology, I am not trying to offend anyone. I am just having a difficult time understanding why aftermarket is still active and way overpriced.

Easy answer for me & my family :

1) Only box that records OTA HD in actual HD.

2) Free OTA HD. (So I only have to subscribe to analog cable, saves $400/yr - $2,000/5 yrs that we can spend on other things).

3) Price. Cost me $300. My cable company's HD-DVR cost $600 at the time. Another $300 saved. (Cable box still only down to $500 as of today).

4) Only box that seemlessly combines OTA and Cable into one TV Guide.

5) Our cable company doesn't include the OTA sub-channels and several of the minor networks.

6) All of its other nice features & perks.

7) Freedom from the choking grasp of a monopoly.
post #12014 of 29213
I agree with everything cxgy said, this box may have been the best $290 bucks I've spent. I am hoping that the Echostar TR-50 is all that it's cracked up to be, but even if and when I get one of those, the Sony will stay in use.
post #12015 of 29213
couldn't agree with you more. Currently - our tv viewing is using the '500' as prime controller - with the remote also being used to control most of our other entertainment equipment. Wish - we could get a definitive answer whether the 250/500 will continue to work after digital switch. It's become almost a matter of pride - to be able to say we are not cable subscribers - and the OTA high def is just tops. My wife asked me about the Aquos LCD TV - and my response is "what could it have to offer - beyond maybe a larger screen? Our OTA / Toshiba / Sony DHG500 / is that good.
Barry
post #12016 of 29213
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Originally Posted by cxgy View Post

Since 0-25 or WFXT Fox 25 is the host "station" that your box is set to, you can control the actual host "channel" in the TV Guide channel edit. I'm assuming you have a WFXT Antenna and a WFXT Cable. Edit the channel for WFXT Antenna to be 25. Turn WFXT Antenna on in the guide.

Until he can get at least one TVGOS update he doesn't have any TVGuide channels to edit????
post #12017 of 29213
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Originally Posted by HoustonPerson View Post

There is an ATSC slicer page (I have no idea what that is?). The entire screen is filled in with "zeros"?

ATSC slicer has been their forever (Since 2005). I have mentioned it in numerous TVGOS over CBS digital post over the last year.
post #12018 of 29213
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Originally Posted by mswlogo View Post

My DVR flaked out and stopped getting TV Guide Data (but my Pioneer continued fine).

Finally I did a complete reset and it picked up Digital 4-1 CBS as host channel. VBI test pass. But no guide data.

So I looked in the Pioneer TV and noticed it was using Analog 0-25 Fox and working fine.

So I tried to set 0-25 as host Channel and still no guide.

If I run VBI Tests on 0-25 they fail.

What the heck is going on. How is the Pioneer working on 0-25 as host and the Sony DVR won't let me set it to the same channel as host.

The OTA Antenna is evenly split to both devices.

They both tune 25 analog perfectly.

I'm in Boston area (30 miles west) and everything I see on SpiffSpace.com is either potentially 4.1 CBS or PBS 2, no mention of Fox 25 Analog. But I have no VHF antenna and 0-2 can't be received on either device. I always assumed my host was 0-2 Analog PBS even I can't really receive it. Had not really thought about it.

Any ideas?

EDIT: I also don't understand how to "Remap" a channel to try this way of controlling what it uses for the Host. I can Enable and Disable a Channel but how the heck to you remap it. I assume this is talking about the Tuner channels and not the TV-Guide Channels since the TV-Guide channels is empty there is nothing to remap.

I finally got it working. I had tried things in sequence a day apart one thing at a time. I had tried a full reset one day which then grabbed the wrong VBI channel. Then only reset TV Guide to clear it before trying to force it another day. This time, all at once, I did a Full reset again, Updated Firmware, Shutoff the wrong VBI channel so it wouldn't pick it up and Forced it to the correct channel. That left it with 4 bars for clock and it didn't pick up the clock at all (even a wrong one). Without the clock I don't it will attempt anything and it did nothing overnight. So then I unplugged it and plugged it in. Now it had 12:00 noon time. I verified that the correct VBI was still being forced with "753..." menu. I didn't expect it to even attempt until overnight. But when I got home this evening clock was correct and TV-Guide was loaded (During the middle of the day !!). VBI channel is same as pioneer. I turned the wrong VBI channel back on. So I'll know in a few weeks if it still all sticks but I think it will. But so far so good.

So I think the problem was it was still getting time from the wrong VBI channel and it would not force to another channel. WHen I reset everything and disabled the wrong VBI channel it had no clock no nothing and was in limbo. I think when I unplugged it, it allowed the forced VBI channel to be clock and then later got the TV Guide.

Something like that anyway.

G Test now works on the correct VBI channel. So to pass the test it must be the "active" VBI channel. It sort of said this on the FAQ but it was subtle and I wasn't sure.

See ya all in Feb 2009 :-)
post #12019 of 29213
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Originally Posted by WhatHappend View Post

Until he can get at least one TVGOS update he doesn't have any TVGuide channels to edit????

Oops..I should learn to read more thoroughly.
post #12020 of 29213
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Originally Posted by WhatHappend View Post

ATSC slicer has been their forever (Since 2005). I have mentioned it in numerous TVGOS over CBS digital post over the last year.

I don't know what a digital slicer is, either, and I've read the Spiffy site pretty carefully....it does mention "resetting slicing data", which would be easier to understand if you knew what slicing data was...although I'm getting some vague idea, having read a little more carefully about 20 posts that mention it that I really couldn't interpret as they came through over a period of many months

Given the interest in what's going to happen with the Sony come February, and in how to check with the Sony about whether there's TVGOS data on a given channel (whether analog or digital), would it be possible for those who are more experienced to maybe add summary of this topic to that page?

Please....?

Or have I somehow skipped it?
post #12021 of 29213
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Originally Posted by rayliner View Post

The One For All URC6131N - 6-Device Universal Upgradeable Remote works well for me. It's inexpensive, and controls my Replay/TV, the Sony HDD500, as well as the other standard components. It's a learning remote, so if you have the original remote, that seemed to be the easiest way for me to program some of the functions I wanted. It also had buttons for 2 macros that were long enough for me to turn on close-caption (11 or 13 steps, I seem to recall). Also, the buttons I use most are in the middle so it was easier to use. I tried the Phillips, but the VCR-functions and the number pad were reversed from what I was used to.

Do you know what code you used for the Sony with this remote? I found my 6131n the other day, but of course the code list has no listings for any DVR/PVR codes, even though the remote has a PVR button on it. Lookup on the OFA website gives nothing either.
post #12022 of 29213
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Originally Posted by avnstf View Post

I don't know what a digital slicer is, either, and I've read the Spiffy site pretty carefully....it does mention "resetting slicing data", which would be easier to understand if you knew what slicing data was...although I'm getting some vague idea, having read a little more carefully about 20 posts that mention it that I really couldn't interpret as they came through over a period of many months

Given the interest in what's going to happen with the Sony come February, and in how to check with the Sony about whether there's TVGOS data on a given channel (whether analog or digital), would it be possible for those who are more experienced to maybe add summary of this topic to that page?

Please....?

Or have I somehow skipped it?

I too have been following this forum because I have 2 sony's. I contacted my local CBS station and was told they have installed the TVGOS equipment and are currently transmitting the guide data. I would like to force my dvr to the cbs digital station, but am kinda lost on how to perfrom the changes. I've read many posts here by many people on what they have tried so far. Could one of you post the "step by step" instructions for the rest of us to use? Thanks
post #12023 of 29213
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Originally Posted by DonInJackson View Post

I too have been following this forum because I have 2 sony's. I contacted my local CBS station and was told they have installed the TVGOS equipment and are currently transmitting the guide data. I would like to force my dvr to the cbs digital station, but am kinda lost on how to perfrom the changes. I've read many posts here by many people on what they have tried so far. Could one of you post the "step by step" instructions for the rest of us to use? Thanks

I have been checking this thread only intermittently lately because I don't have a lot of free time anymore...

I don't believe that you will reliably keep your DVR using the digital host channel until the analog hosts are all GONE. This DVR has a preference for the analog hosts, so if it finds one, it will switch to it - even if it already has the digital host and it is working fine.
post #12024 of 29213
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Originally Posted by spiff72 View Post

I have been checking this thread only intermittently lately because I don't have a lot of free time anymore...

I don't believe that you will reliably keep your DVR using the digital host channel until the analog hosts are all GONE. This DVR has a preference for the analog hosts, so if it finds one, it will switch to it - even if it already has the digital host and it is working fine.


Yes, I realize the fact that it will revert to analog until Feb 09. But right now I just want to test out the digital TVGOS being broadcast by WLNS 6-1 in Lansing and I was hoping someone could publish the "step by step" instructions on how to force the Sony to accept a digital TVGOS. thanks
post #12025 of 29213
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Originally Posted by DonInJackson View Post

Yes, I realize the fact that it will revert to analog until Feb 09. But right now I just want to test out the digital TVGOS being broadcast by WLNS 6-1 in Lansing and I was hoping someone could publish the "step by step" instructions on how to force the Sony to accept a digital TVGOS. thanks

Mine has been stuck on the digital host for quite a few days now. Here is how I did it, but I can't guarantee it will work as I fiddled with it quite a bit prior to this and nothing would work:

1. Turn the unit on, tune it to your digital host channel, and then bring up the TV Guide listings.

2. Push the "CH" (PAGE) up button one or more times until the highlighted line is all the way up in the menu bar on "LISTINGS".

3. Push the right arrow on the menu navigation circle twice to "SETUP".

4. Push the down arrow on the menu navigation circle once to "Change System Settings".

5. Push "INFO". The white box will contain some jabber about zipcodes, etc.

6. Enter the following number: 963214785

7. The white box should now say "VBI Search Current Channel".

8. Immediately press the DVR Power button on the remote to turn the unit "off".

9. Do nothing until the next morning.

10. The next morning, turn on the unit and bring up the TV Guide listings.

11. Push the "CH" (PAGE) up button one or more times until the highlighted line is all the way up in the menu bar on "LISTINGS".

12. Push the right arrow on the menu navigation circle twice to "SETUP".

13. Push the down arrow on the menu navigation circle once to "Change System Settings".

14. Enter the following number: 753159852

15. Press the right arrow on the menu navigation circle once. You should see the "Host chan" listed a little way down the list.

16. It will either be your analog host channel in the form 0:0-# (or 1:0-# for cable) in which case it didn't work; Or it will be your digital host channel in the form 0:#-# (or 1:#-#) in which case it DID (hooray) work.
post #12026 of 29213
I've been happy with the Sony Universal RM VL600 for $20. Find it practically anywhere and has the Guide & Menu buttons and big Volume & Channel buttons. Using it for two of my DHG's.
post #12027 of 29213
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Originally Posted by metalav8b View Post

I've been happy with the Sony Universal RM VL600 for $20. Find it practically anywhere and has the Guide & Menu buttons and big Volume & Channel buttons. Using it for two of my DHG's.

Where did you get the codes for the DHG? The Sony web site gives codes for lots of devices, except none for the DHG.

Ray
post #12028 of 29213
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Originally Posted by Ray1938 View Post

Where did you get the codes for the DHG? The Sony web site gives codes for lots of devices, except none for the DHG.

Ray

I got the Sony VL600 about a month ago at the suggestion of HoustonPerson and set it up with my DHG, Sony CRT HDTV and 3 other devices...the booklet with it has codes for DVRs, including Sony, and I think it was the last one in that list (3210) that worked for my Sony 250...made it easy...still had to teach it a couple of codes...but it was a piece of cake compared with teaching the remote for the other devices I have...

once done, it's the only remote I use for everything, unless I'm doing some peculiar setup thing, and that's rare
post #12029 of 29213
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Originally Posted by avnstf View Post

I got the Sony VL600 about a month ago at the suggestion of HoustonPerson and set it up with my DHG, Sony CRT HDTV and 3 other devices...the booklet with it has codes for DVRs, including Sony, and I think it was the last one in that list (3210) that worked for my Sony 250...made it easy...still had to teach it a couple of codes...but it was a piece of cake compared with teaching the remote for the other devices I have...

once done, it's the only remote I use for everything, unless I'm doing some peculiar setup thing, and that's rare

Does the "RECALL" button on the VL600 work with the DHG to change to previous channel?
post #12030 of 29213
First issue with my unit since I purchased it. I am getting a rolling, strobing effect via my component cables on my screen. If I use HDMI it goes away. I did try another set of cables with the same results. Anyone else experienced this?
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