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post #26341 of 29213
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Originally Posted by Opinionated View Post


Two, how long after such restart does the clock begin to drift again?

You can think you are scheduled to record something and if the clock has drifted as little as five minutes you lose the beginning and the end.


I will chime-in here, since I used a similar method for a long time. I had no clock signal for many months a couple of years ago, and my clock did not noticeably drift. (maybe seconds, but not minutes) But my DHG never ran for more than a week without a crash or automatic reboot. Since the clock can only be frozen (not pushed forward), each reset made the clock move backward through the calendar week. Also, since I usually record every day, I would rarely wait long enough to get the correct time on the clock. Instead, I'd settle for 12 hours off, or less if I wanted to record something sooner. I kept a note to remind me how many hours it was offset until the next reboot. When I finally rolled back to the correct weekday and time, it was cause for celebration -- though short-lived.

Having the calendar offset makes it cumbersome to record programs that are on M-F, but most of what I watch are one-off movies.

- Kerry
post #26342 of 29213
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Originally Posted by izzy900 View Post

I concur with JoeKustra, On the grid you still have the option to set your recording times to record minutes up to an hour early or late to account for drift. How ever you may have to do a reset again if it drifts to a point were you want it closer to exact. And one never knows if there is going to be any TVGos data transmissions your dvr will at least have the ballpark time for it!
When was the last time you did a manual recording? There is no option for start early/late or stop early/late unless you are recording from the listings. A manual recording is manual.
post #26343 of 29213
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Originally Posted by KerryNY View Post

Having the calendar offset makes it cumbersome to record programs that are on M-F, but most of what I watch are one-off movies.

- Kerry
It's a good use for most movies on broadcast channels. I have found that a lot of movies don't come through in HD and DD5.1 on cable channels. I use a magnavox for those. It's a pretty good manual SD recorder and I'm lucky that my basic cable SD is still clear QAM.

After TVGOS dies I will have tapes that can set the clock, but izzy900's method does work. It's the FP reset that freezes the clock.
post #26344 of 29213
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

When was the last time you did a manual recording? There is no option for start early/late or stop early/late unless you are recording from the listings. A manual recording is manual.

If you record from a 30 minute No Listing grid cell, can't you add padding from the menu?
post #26345 of 29213
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Originally Posted by BillFromCH View Post

If you record from a 30 minute No Listing grid cell, can't you add padding from the menu?
Try it. A listing recording is by title and time. Also, there is no "new" option [different subject]. The DHG gets confused by "regular" when a title skips a week also. Maybe it's different for OTA. I have found it safer to delete a scheduled item when there are ??? showing, then re-enter it later. Schedule the show "Last Resort" and see what happens next week.

A "no listing" can be scheduled the same as a normal show, but I need to test it further. "Regular" is not an option of course. I will have to see what a "no listing" shows in the recording screen too.

Further update: a scheduled recording from a lineup channel with no listing:

The schedule shows "channel/network", channel and time & frequency. The recordings shows "unknown" like a manual recording. Not bad really. Plus since it is off the guide, you can add the +- 2 hour padding.
Edited by JoeKustra - 1/17/13 at 10:16am
post #26346 of 29213
I click TV GUIDE button, the grid will show with no title or no listings if you totally lost the grid. On the TV GUIDE I choose the time and channel I want to record and highlight the time. I than click the menu button on my remote and on the left hand side I get the episode options menu. scroll down to set recording and click on it. on frequency I choose wheather daily weekly or once with right arrow on remote' down one to start time, on time arrow to left gives early options arrow to right gives on time or minutes to hour in increments late.down arrow one to end time same as start time options, the rest is self explanatory.
post #26347 of 29213
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Originally Posted by BillFromCH View Post

If you record from a 30 minute No Listing grid cell, can't you add padding from the menu?

I did most of my recording that way when I had no listings for long periods. A 2-hour program would be set to end 90 minutes late, for example. By choosing a later cell/block, you can also start up to 120 minutes early, if 2.5 hours is not long enough. The weekly recording option works too, but you must take any applicable weekday offset into account.

- Kerry
post #26348 of 29213
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Originally Posted by izzy900 View Post

I click TV GUIDE button, the grid will show with no title or no listings if you totally lost the grid. On the TV GUIDE I choose the time and channel I want to record and highlight the time. I than click the menu button on my remote and on the left hand side I get the episode options menu. scroll down to set recording and click on it. on frequency I choose wheather daily weekly or once with right arrow on remote' down one to start time, on time arrow to left gives early options arrow to right gives on time or minutes to hour in increments late.down arrow one to end time same as start time options, the rest is self explanatory.

dizzy9000 -

If you totally lost the Grid, your Guide screen will show a black background with the words "No Data for This Screen" in the area where the Program titles or the cells saying "No Listing" would normally be. If you still see the cells containing the words "No Listing" then you have not "totally lost the Grid". I was hoping to find a screen pic to illustrate, but I can't find one at the moment.

Your method for "setting" the clock remains interesting, however I am in agreement with Mabuttra (several posts back) when he states that every 2nd reset using the front panel Menu/Exit button combination causes the loss of the Grid. This has always been the case for me in the past. If this is not happening for you then possibly there are differences with other (older?) firmware versions, or maybe the DHG is acting differently after the total loss of TVGOS data.
post #26349 of 29213
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Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post

dizzy9000 -

If you totally lost the Grid, your Guide screen will show a black background with the words "No Data for This Screen" in the area where the Program titles or the cells saying "No Listing" would normally be. If you still see the cells containing the words "No Listing" then you have not "totally lost the Grid". I was hoping to find a screen pic to illustrate, but I can't find one at the moment.

Your method for "setting" the clock remains interesting, however I am in agreement with Mabuttra (several posts back) when he states that every 2nd reset using the front panel Menu/Exit button combination causes the loss of the Grid. This has always been the case for me in the past. If this is not happening for you then possibly there are differences with other (older?) firmware versions, or maybe the DHG is acting differently after the total loss of TVGOS data.

I hate the word "grid". I have to go back a few years to repeat Possumgirl's comment that not all DHG units are the same. I have seen the loss of everything and the loss of only the clock when doing a FP reset or a power cycle. I do know it will make a lot of 1/1/90 entries in the reset log.

Yes, lack of everything is a black screen. You can have 100% no listings and still have a lineup. My cable company's BBS channel is always "no listing".

After a FP reset you can have a lineup but no call letters after the channel on the FP if there is no TVGOS data. You don't need for them to pull the plug to test any of this. Just disconnect the rf.
post #26350 of 29213
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Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post

dizzy9000 -

If you totally lost the Grid, your Guide screen will show a black background with the words "No Data for This Screen" in the area where the Program titles or the cells saying "No Listing" would normally be. If you still see the cells containing the words "No Listing" then you have not "totally lost the Grid". I was hoping to find a screen pic to illustrate, but I can't find one at the moment.

Your method for "setting" the clock remains interesting, however I am in agreement with Mabuttra (several posts back) when he states that every 2nd reset using the front panel Menu/Exit button combination causes the loss of the Grid. This has always been the case for me in the past. If this is not happening for you then possibly there are differences with other (older?) firmware versions, or maybe the DHG is acting differently after the total loss of TVGOS data.

If that is the case you inherited a total brick or totally new unit. In my case the channel list of channels was defined already and is in the units memory, I don't want to see the screen you are referring to, all would be lost!

http://esupport.sony.com/US/p/model-home.pl?mdl=DHGHDD250&template_id=1&region_id=1&tab=download#/downloadTab
post #26351 of 29213
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Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post

If you totally lost the Grid, your Guide screen will show a black background with the words "No Data for This Screen"

Mine has always been a deep plum color. biggrin.gifbiggrin.gif
post #26352 of 29213
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Originally Posted by izzy900 View Post

If that is the case you inherited a total brick or totally new unit. In my case the channel list of channels was defined already and is in the units memory, I don't want to see the screen you are referring to, all would be lost!

Then my advice to you is this:

Stop doing the Front Panel Reset!!! biggrin.gif
post #26353 of 29213
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Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post

Then my advice to you is this:

Stop doing the Front Panel Reset!!! biggrin.gif

You know you have a point there! However the last time I saw the black screen of death was before the digital software update, and after the grid was build and I got my channels defined with the channel editor if I did a front panel reset I would still have my grid and normally the time would follow! I would never have to do 2 resets to get the clock.
post #26354 of 29213
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Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post

Then my advice to you is this:

Stop doing the Front Panel Reset!!! biggrin.gif

Fur sure!

But if you have no TVGOS, there is no need. The lack of a clock set channel and no clock set will not change the clock. Only problem will be drift or maybe a power failure. When you don't do the first reset, subsequent power failures will change the clock. After that, the clock is static like the date when power fails.

I won't put money on it, but I'd bet that most users will dump the units as soon as guide data stops. Not all, but most.
post #26355 of 29213
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

Fur sure!

But if you have no TVGOS, there is no need. The lack of a clock set channel and no clock set will not change the clock. Only problem will be drift or maybe a power failure. When you don't do the first reset, subsequent power failures will change the clock. After that, the clock is static like the date when power fails.

I won't put money on it, but I'd bet that most users will dump the units as soon as guide data stops. Not all, but most.

I use mine with a cable card so I kinda like to record the cable shows when I am at work, even if the grid shows no listings and as long as I can record the show I will keep mine!
post #26356 of 29213
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Originally Posted by izzy900 View Post

I use mine with a cable card so I kinda like to record the cable shows when I am at work, even if the grid shows no listings and as long as I can record the show I will keep mine!
If you can live with manual recordings the Sony is the best machine I know of for HD/DD5.1 recording. I have not added a cable card, but have one in my TiVo since it likes to complain without one. I will keep my DHG until something better comes along or they scramble everything. I'm not holding my breath on that.
post #26357 of 29213
I'm sure that Mark's (mabuttra) memory is better than mine, and maybe there are some events that can occur between Front Panel Resets that can negate the cumulative effect. But in my past experience a Front Panel Reset today PLUS a Front Panel Reset next week EQUALS two Front Panel Resets (and Grid Loss). Hopefully Mark will show his face . . . wink.gif

But for now, I think you're playing with fire . . . eek.gif
post #26358 of 29213
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

If you can live with manual recordings the Sony is the best machine I know of for HD/DD5.1 recording. I have not added a cable card, but have one in my TiVo since it likes to complain without one. I will keep my DHG until something better comes along or they scramble everything. I'm not holding my breath on that.

You know just before I figured out how to get the correct time, I kept doing front panel reset and it was hit and miss till I notice the the time was kept in memory after a reset! the downside is that I am a day behind now on days so today is wednesday on my grid!
post #26359 of 29213
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Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post

I'm sure that Mark's (mabuttra) memory is better than mine, and maybe there are some events that can occur between Front Panel Resets that can negate the cumulative effect. But in my past experience a Front Panel Reset today PLUS a Front Panel Reset next week EQUALS two Front Panel Resets (and Grid Loss). Hopefully Mark will show his face . . . wink.gif

But for now, I think you're playing with fire . . . eek.gif
You're right. Even if only one reset kills me, I still have the tapes. I also believe only one reset is needed to stop clock updates. So shortened procedure:
FP reset
Pull power
Apply power
Check time - notate it
Pull power until notated time
Apply power at notated time
Live with very close clock, missing day, no FP call letters, and maybe red record button doesn't work.
Fini
post #26360 of 29213
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

You're right. Even if only one reset kills me, I still have the tapes. I also believe only one reset is needed to stop clock updates. So shortened procedure:
FP reset
Pull power
Apply power
Check time - notate it
Pull power until notated time
Apply power at notated time
Live with very close clock, missing day, no FP call letters, and maybe red record button doesn't work.
Fini

I would not pull the power from the unit just power unit down after noting time! So the time is kept internally! you pull the power you may lose the time! I like to think of it as a cycle note time reset turn on again at noted time. That's what worked for me..smile.gif
post #26361 of 29213
It occurs to me that there may be a difference in the appearance of the Grid after a Reset, depending on whether a CableCard is installed or not. My CableCards are currently in my TiVo's and my Mits TV, not in my DHG's.

New Working Theory (not fact, just my current best guess):
When the DHG without a CableCard is reset it loses its Channel Lineup (the Y-axis of the Grid) until it downloads it again via TVGOS. When the DHG with a CableCard is reset, the Channel Lineup is provided by the CableCard and the Y-axis of the Grid is immediately created. In both cases, the X-axis of the Grid is simply "Time" blocks in half-hour increments, until whatever time the Listings appear. I can easily check this out later this evening.

Edit: I've thrown cold water on this theory in the past hour . . .
Edited by WS65711 - 1/17/13 at 3:50pm
post #26362 of 29213
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Originally Posted by izzy900 View Post

I would not pull the power from the unit just power unit down after noting time! So the time is kept internally! you pull the power you may lose the time! I like to think of it as a cycle note time reset turn on again at noted time. That's what worked for me..smile.gif
What do you mean by power unit down? You mean just put it in standby?
post #26363 of 29213
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Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post

It occurs to me that there may be a difference in the appearance of the Grid after a Reset, depending on whether a CableCard is installed or not. My CableCards are currently in my TiVo's and my Mits TV, not in my DHG's.

New Working Theory (not fact, just my current best guess):
When the DHG without a CableCard is reset it loses its Channel Lineup (the Y-axis of the Grid) until it downloads it again via TVGOS. When the DHG with a CableCard is reset, the Channel Lineup is provided by the CableCard and the Y-axis of the Grid is immediately created. In both cases, the X-axis of the Grid is simply "Time" blocks in half-hour increments, until whatever time the Listings appear. I can easily check this out later this evening.
I will wait for your test. I have done several FP resets on my active unit over the last year and have never lost anything except the time for under a minute.
post #26364 of 29213
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

What do you mean by power unit down? You mean just put it in standby?

Step 4 second reset after noting time, still shows 4 dashes while noted time is stored frozen in memory till appointed time to turn on. Sorry I am not a tecky
post #26365 of 29213
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Originally Posted by izzy900 View Post

I feel I don't own Rovi or Sony anything for their abandonment of subscribers to the OTA/Cable TVGOS service who do not have TVGOS 10 or higher with WI-FI/LAN capability! They are no different than a father who abandons his family because things got a little harder than they signed up for in a marriage! That being said Kudos to Bill Gates and Warren Buffet for their Charitable work! I don't make much money but I do own a Sony DHG-HDD 250 DVR which I bought at EBAY, and anytime I had problems with my unit this forum was the first place I went to for answers to problems with TVGOS or my DVR. That being said it is time for me to become a member and contributor to this forum.

HOW TO SET CLOCK ON SONY DHG-HDD 250/500 DVR

1. Hold exit and TV Guide buttons on front of DVR simultaneously! (Unit will reset)

2. Wait for unit to cycle and dashes show instead of time!

3. Power up unit and write down the time on unit clock (Example 4:23 AM)

4. As soon as you have time written down repeat step 1. resetting unit. (The unit will keep the time from the last reset during new reset but the dashes will show on screen till powered up!)

5. Now this is when you wait for the exact time that you have written down from your DVR to come. (Do not power up DVR again until the actual time in step 3.) (Example 4:23 AM actual time)

6. Power up DVR at the appointed time and presto the clock will show that time!

This fix will only work if the unit is left alone and powered down with the dashes showing while waiting to reach your reset time!.

This is only a fix for the clock and not the date or year! It is up to Sony to fix that with a patch if they really cared about the millions of customers they have abandoned!.

Check the link below, Cannon Fodder!

http://www.kb.sony.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?cmd=displayKC&externalId=C1032343&fes=true
post #26366 of 29213
I printed that the first time.

To see the black screen and wipe most of TVGOS, run the 653274147 diagnostics. Run it twice to kill everything.

While power is applied, the time and date continue to update. Hitting the white button enables video and the front panel.

The DHG is a perfect example of a "state" machine. That means what you do and what happens depends on what state exists when you do it.
post #26367 of 29213
Long live the DHG, the lights are still on in SF (KPIX ch 5).
post #26368 of 29213
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

I printed that the first time.

To see the black screen and wipe most of TVGOS, run the 653274147 diagnostics. Run it twice to kill everything.

While power is applied, the time and date continue to update. Hitting the white button enables video and the front panel.

The DHG is a perfect example of a "state" machine. That means what you do and what happens depends on what state exists when you do it.

Thanks, I'll remember not to do that! WS65711 said that I may still have my grid after the procedure cause I had a cable card so I really can't vouch for OTA or non cable card users on the procedure I published! Just hope some OTA or non cable card user will chime in!
post #26369 of 29213
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Originally Posted by izzy900 View Post

Thanks, I'll remember not to do that! WS65711 said that I may still have my grid after the procedure cause I had a cable card so I really can't vouch for OTA or non cable card users on the procedure I published! Just hope some OTA or non cable card user will chime in!
I am a non cable card user. You are right though, a cable card gives you a lineup. TVGOS gives you the listings based on the headend and your zipcode.
post #26370 of 29213
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

I am a non cable card user. You are right though, a cable card gives you a lineup. TVGOS gives you the listings based on the headend and your zipcode.

I do own a Sony Bravia 32XBR6 HDTV with just cable and I still have a channel lineup with no listings! but I figure on a power outage that one will be a brick on the TVGOS. Don't want to pull the plug on that one! Just for the ease of surfing.
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