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post #26461 of 29213
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Originally Posted by HoustonPerson View Post

Um, that does sound promising, about the tuner.


I still keep putting off the purchase of TiVo; but someday I will have too.


Is there anyway to get around the $500 lifetime fee? Like discounts?

As I alluded to in my earlier post, I was able to get $100 off the lifetime fee (just do a search for TiVo codes; it's easy enough to find). Even though some say the code has expired, or it only works for existing TiVo customers, it worked for me as a new customer 4 days ago.

So all told $500 plus tax for the TiVo Premiere, the same as I paid for the DHG-HDD250 7 years ago. If this lasts as long (or longer), it'll be worth it.
post #26462 of 29213
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Originally Posted by HoustonPerson View Post

Is there anyway to get around the $500 lifetime fee?

Umm.. Death? biggrin.gif
post #26463 of 29213
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Originally Posted by hebner18 View Post

So all told $500 plus tax for the TiVo Premiere, the same as I paid for the DHG-HDD250 7 years ago. If this lasts as long (or longer), it'll be worth it.
And for that price you get a 14 day guide and 2 tuners instead of just 1 so it's like buying 2 DHG's. You also get the ability to network transfer your non-copy protected recordings for expanded whole-house storage and/or archiving to HDD or optical media.

Unfortunately, if you are looking for a DVR that is also "an adventure" to use, you may be disappointed with a TiVo because it kind'a just works. smile.gif
post #26464 of 29213
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Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post

Umm.. Death? biggrin.gif

Just remember, its the death of the Tivo unit itself, not the owner's.
post #26465 of 29213
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

And for that price you get a 14 day guide and 2 tuners instead of just 1 so it's like buying 2 DHG's. You also get the ability to network transfer your non-copy protected recordings for expanded whole-house storage and/or archiving to HDD or optical media.

Unfortunately, if you are looking for a DVR that is also "an adventure" to use, you may be disappointed with a TiVo because it kind'a just works. smile.gif
That's so true. I've been trying to think of the single best feature of the TiVo compared to the Sony. I still use one DHG since the PQ is equal for cable. But I have found that the TiVo (and the remote) makes a really good STB that can also record while you watch something else. My guide is only 12 days, but that is fine since I get 15 days from tvguide.com and verify with titantv.com weekly. The TiVo is reliable and easy and, like you said, just works.
post #26466 of 29213
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Originally Posted by izzy900 View Post

https://www.facebook.com/RoviCorp

If I am giving up on getting TVGOS service for my Sony DVR, I will at least visit the ROVI facebook website and give them a peice of my pea brain!
I posted mine yesterday....tongue.gif

Look's like TIVO finally won! Their patents and lawsuits were what kept Sony from making any more of these units! And for this reason we do not have the stroke needed to stay the tide with ROVI! What an ending!...mad.gif
post #26467 of 29213
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Originally Posted by izzy900 View Post

Look's like TIVO finally won! Their patents and lawsuits were what kept Sony from making any more of these units! And for this reason we do not have the stroke needed to stay the tide with ROVI! What an ending!...mad.gif
And here I thought the reason Sony got out of the DVR business in the US was because they weren't selling.
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Originally Posted by demonfoo View Post

And here I thought the reason Sony got out of the DVR business in the US was because they weren't selling.

I'm sure you are right, they didn't sell many until they ended up on clearance shelves of the electronics stores. Now everyone who bought this discontinued product are vowing never to buy anything from Sony again because they won't support them. rolleyes.gif
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Originally Posted by mabuttra View Post

I'm sure you are right, they didn't sell many until they ended up on clearance shelves of the electronics stores. Now everyone who bought this discontinued product are vowing never to buy anything from Sony again because they won't support them. rolleyes.gif

What about my Sony XBR that has TVGOS too? I'm not getting any support for that either mad.gif and I didn't buy the XBR (nor my DHG) from the clearance shelves.
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The marketing of it was virtually non-existent, though. Have to wonder why they weren't more behind it from the getgo.

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Originally Posted by WaltA View Post


...I didn't buy the...DHG...from the clearance shelves.

 

Neither did I. I bought my HDD500 after the first price knockdown (of $200), from Crutchfield. It wasn't that long after that Fry's started selling them for even less, and then the big, $250 Tweeter clearance blowout eventually hit.

 

So I still paid plenty.

post #26472 of 29213
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Originally Posted by izzy900 View Post

Look's like TIVO finally won! Their patents and lawsuits were what kept Sony from making any more of these units! And for this reason we do not have the stroke needed to stay the tide with ROVI! What an ending!...mad.gif

The device was too soon to market. When it came out, HD transmissions were almost experimental. I bought a HiSense box early on and caught most of the early NYC signals OTA from the very beginning-I would have bought the HDD at full price but it wasn't there...(I tried to buy a demo box once) I did buy closeout at the Sony store only because it was the only way to get them.. A clockset isn't too much to ask....perpetual listings, maybe, but not a clockset. I paid full price for an early sony RPTV....didn't mind paying the early adopter tax either. The WAF was set after seeing a lavish Hallmark HD presentation.... Analog shutoff then took a long time longer than anyone expected.

It was good while it lasted.
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Got the reply from ROVI on my Facebook post at the ROVI Website,

Rovi commented on their Wall post.
Rovi wrote: "Hi Israel - we're sorry to hear that you're affected by this change. It really is part of a transition in the market to digital data service delivered through the Internet. It's probably significant that we can't point to another company that provides a similar OTA service."

BAH HUMBUG!.......frown.gif
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Anybody in the Austin TX area still getting TV Guide updates? My two HDD250's have been performing flawlessly for the last few years - I haven't paid any attention - that's the wife's department but if she doesn't complain that's "flawless" to me. That's why it's my first time back here in quite a while. A couple of weeks back however I unplugged both units for a few hours to rearrange my gear in the rack and since then I haven't seen the guides repopulate. I have the grids showing "no listings" with the TV Guide ad on the left, and both clocks are way off.

Does this mean the guide (and the Sony's) are dead in Austin? Seems like a strange coincidence.....this hasn't happened in years.
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Can anybody verify, that having the clock showing the correct time, if you disconnect the power cord from the wall and plugging the unit back on, the time that will show on the unit would be the exact time as when it was unplugged! or do you get the 4 dashes, do a front panel reset to get the clock back, and then the time that will be displayed is the time the clock saves during the power cord disconnect!...rolleyes.gif
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

I've been trying to think of the single best feature of the TiVo compared to the Sony.

So far, for me the nicest thing has been the ability to transfer recordings to my Mac via my wireless network using kmttg, decrypt them, and burn them to disc if I want. The only problem is that I have to use a repeater to get the signal from one end of the house to the other, so transfers are v-e-e-e-r-y s-l-o-w, around 2.5 Mbps. However, I don't need to transfer programs very often, because I archive only classical concerts and operas and the occasional sports or special event. I can let a transfer run overnight and even through the next day while I'm at work, if necessary.

Maybe I'll spring for a pair of powerline network adapters like the ones from WD and see how much of an improvement they make.

I don't think I'll be using my EyeTV USB tuner dongle much any more, or my Hauppauge HD PVR which I was using to dub recordings from the Sony's component video outputs.
Edited by jtbell - 1/22/13 at 9:28pm
post #26477 of 29213
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Originally Posted by gwsmith View Post

Anybody in the Austin TX area still getting TV Guide updates? My two HDD250's have been performing flawlessly for the last few years - I haven't paid any attention - that's the wife's department but if she doesn't complain that's "flawless" to me. That's why it's my first time back here in quite a while. A couple of weeks back however I unplugged both units for a few hours to rearrange my gear in the rack and since then I haven't seen the guides repopulate. I have the grids showing "no listings" with the TV Guide ad on the left, and both clocks are way off.

Does this mean the guide (and the Sony's) are dead in Austin? Seems like a strange coincidence.....this hasn't happened in years.

Sorry, according to the Austin people on the DTVPal thread, Austin's TVGOS is gone.

Mark
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Originally Posted by Possumgirl View Post

Naturally, we're all going to have differing opinions. After two months now with my Premiere XL I can honestly say I like it better than my DHGs. Sure there are a few features of the DHG that I wish the TiVo had, but they're not critical. I for one do not think the TiVo is too pricey. In fact compared to what the DHGs sold for originally, the TiVo is a downright bargain IMO. biggrin.gif

I agree with you also. My 2 Premiere 4 Tivos w/ cable cards are just great. I would not be able to go back to the DHGs.
........but still keeping the DHGs for tuner/cablecard capability on TVs with no cablecard.

Thanks
James
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Thanks for the reply....I was afraid of that. So I guess I will be looking at other options - the wife likes to have at least 4 recordings going every evening and now we're left with the TW box which does only two.

Sad, but I shouldn't complain - got just shy of 7 years out of these things. I hope I can find a way to continue to record HD OTA - the pq is noticeably better than my cable recordings. Is this shutdown of TVGOS going to have similar effect on other devices like the CM-7000, etc?

I also hate to throw out good equipment (still have a dual-cassette tape recorder and a couple of non-working VCR's! rolleyes.gif) Is there any use left for these units? I don't foresee any use I'd have but It would be a consolation if someone could use them.
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Originally Posted by gwsmith View Post

[...]
Sad, but I shouldn't complain - got just shy of 7 years out of these things. I hope I can find a way to continue to record HD OTA - the pq is noticeably better than my cable recordings. Is this shutdown of TVGOS going to have similar effect on other devices like the CM-7000, etc?
[...]

The DTVPal and CM-7000 can both use either TVGOS, or PSIP for the guide. When TVGOS is gone they will still have guide data from PSIP, but it is not as robust as TVGOS (PSIP has somewhere between 12 hours and 3 days of lisitngs, it is usually closer to 12 hours than 3 days). The CM-7400 uses either PSIP, or another guide service that you have to pay for. It does not use TVGOS.

Mark
post #26481 of 29213
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Originally Posted by izzy900 View Post

Got the reply from ROVI on my Facebook post at the ROVI Website,

...It really is part of a transition in the market to digital data service delivered through the Internet. ...

What "market"? rolleyes.gif

It is completely Rovi's own choice to abandon all of us who get our guide data from either an analog or a digital TV channel, and go with only supporting those few who get their guide data over the internet.
post #26482 of 29213
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Originally Posted by jtbell View Post

So far, for me the nicest thing has been the ability to transfer recordings to my Mac via my wireless network using kmttg, decrypt them, and burn them to disc if I want. The only problem is that I have to use a repeater to get the signal from one end of the house to the other, so transfers are v-e-e-e-r-y s-l-o-w, around 2.5 Mbps. However, I don't need to transfer programs very often, because I archive only classical concerts and operas and the occasional sports or special event. I can let a transfer run overnight and even through the next day while I'm at work, if necessary.

I can't do the math or speak for a Mac, but a 1 hour, 1080i/5.1 program (8Gb) takes about 20 minutes to move. Problem is you don't get a time reading until the transfer starts but you can see the file size. A lot depends on the content.
post #26483 of 29213
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Originally Posted by WaltA View Post

What "market"? rolleyes.gif

It is completely Rovi's own choice to abandon all of us who get our guide data from either an analog or a digital TV channel, and go with only supporting those few who get their guide data over the internet.

THE Rovi page is getting interesting since ROVI started responding!...rolleyes.gif

Gary Burgoyne
Rovi wrote: "Hi Gary - this is Peggy Gartin, and I manage social media for Rovi. I hear your disappointment and understand your displeasure. Our discontinuing the over-the-air transmission of TV listings was not a decision made lightly, but changing market conditions and the discontinuance of services from our third-party vendors made it an inevitability. I wish I could point to another company that provides a similar service, but I'm simply not aware of any - a fact that speaks volumes about the realities involved. We recommend receiving TV listings data via an Internet connection instead, and regret the inconvenience this change causes you."
Like · · 10 minutes ago

Gary Burgoyne I think I see our problem YOU don't realize that we(owners of certain equipment) NEED a TVGOS SIGNAL, not just the data) to use our equipment. Without that signal our equipment is useless and can't be used for any thing except playback of already recorded programs. By discontinuing the TVGOS signal you've ruined thousands of dvrs and apparently don't know and/or don't care. In the future will you do the same to equipment that now depends on your TotalGuide system ruining their equipment too? People should be made aware of ROVI's history of callous disregard for Sony and now Panasonic customers.
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Edited by izzy900 - 1/23/13 at 4:21pm
post #26484 of 29213
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Originally Posted by izzy900 View Post

... the discontinuance of services from our third-party vendors made it an inevitability . . .

She must think we are complete idiots. Any "services" from third-party vendors would affect Rovi's internet based Guide equally as much as it would affect the broadcast Guide. She's a flat out liar. rolleyes.gif
post #26485 of 29213
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Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post

She must think we are complete idiots. Any "services" from third-party vendors would affect Rovi's internet based Guide equally as much as it would affect the broadcast Guide. She's a flat out liar. rolleyes.gif

That's why I think it is imperative for us to visit the ROVI site and post our displeasure! They are not always sending out a generic response, but there is someone reading!..rolleyes.gif
post #26486 of 29213
Please redirect me if there's another thread about this already.

Has anyone talked about flashing a new OS to the HDD250/500? I'm thinking OpenElec or any older variant of XBMC, or better yet a tweak on the existing firmware to use Schedule Direct. It's over my head, as I'm not a hardware (driver) guy, but it strikes me that the Open Source community could probably figure this out in a weekend. The barrier to entry is of course that modifying aging firmware for aging hardware with limited availability may not be as appealing as more sustainable efforts. BUT! It's a huge opportunity to fight back against corporate greed.

The hardware is well understood:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1225369/just-whats-inside-a-sony-dhg-hddxx0

And the firmware is publicly available (but for how long?):
http://esupport.sony.com/US/perl/swu-download.pl?upd_id=4542&mdl=DHGHDD250
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

I can't do the math or speak for a Mac, but a 1 hour, 1080i/5.1 program (8Gb) takes about 20 minutes to move. Problem is you don't get a time reading until the transfer starts but you can see the file size.
Ah, yes. That was always the single feature of the TiVo Premier that I found most desirable (jealously covet) -- the 40Mbps transfer rate over a wired network. I keep looking for an excuse to add a Premier to my TiVo HD. The HD has a nominal transfer rate of ~10Mbps -- that goes up to 14-15Mbps if you set the two tuners to non-channels. For PC-->TiVo transfers it's a non-issue since I have TiVo desktop running 24x7 on a media-PC and it starts to automatically transfer the captures as soon as they have finished recording. It's the TiVo-->PC transfers that suffer, when we want to watch something stored on the server -- I have to give it a "head-start" transferring back to the TiVo HD before we can watch it without buffering pauses. The lone exception is ABC who have cut their HD bitrate down to 8Mbps -- the transfer to the TiVo HD can keep up with watching it real-time from the start of the transfer.

Ah well. Someday I'll sneak a Premier past the wife.
post #26488 of 29213
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post


Ah well. Someday I'll sneak a Premier past the wife.

Best of luck. I use wireless on my box. It feeds a Netgear WNDR4000. The laptop is wired and everything gets stored on a USB WD FreeAgent 1TB drive. I tried the external SATA drive and after the second crash I gave up. I guess I wish I had a 500GB Sony so it would be easier to save a season of shows. Since physical storage depends upon content, I find it best to use the DHG with ABC/Fox and some saved on the Magnavox. Spending time figuring out what does the best job for the best price works with A/V systems like everything else. I record Letterman on the Sony then delete it the next day.

The Sony is great for a series season if it fits, The TiVo is great for timeshifting - record and delete. I use both almost every day.
post #26489 of 29213
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Originally Posted by izzy900 View Post

Can anybody verify, that having the clock showing the correct time, if you disconnect the power cord from the wall and plugging the unit back on, the time that will show on the unit would be the exact time as when it was unplugged! or do you get the 4 dashes, do a front panel reset to get the clock back, and then the time that will be displayed is the time the clock saves during the power cord disconnect!...rolleyes.gif
I haven't ignored your request. I went to my test unit and removed power about 8am. At 8:30 I applied power. 90 seconds later I turned it on and found that it was almost as if I did a TVGOS reset. Time was 12:00. Reset log said 1/1/90. This has never happened before. I'm rebuilding now and will try again later. My other Sony has been without power for over a month. I gave it power and it still has a lineup which I expected. I will check that one tomorrow too.

Speaking of differences, have you ever run the 1234 diagnostic? Lots of data there, even a signal level for analog. My one unit has 52k hours on its HDD.
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

I haven't ignored your request. I went to my test unit and removed power about 8am. At 8:30 I applied power. 90 seconds later I turned it on and found that it was almost as if I did a TVGOS reset. Time was 12:00. Reset log said 1/1/90. This has never happened before. I'm rebuilding now and will try again later. My other Sony has been without power for over a month. I gave it power and it still has a lineup which I expected. I will check that one tomorrow too.

Speaking of differences, have you ever run the 1234 diagnostic? Lots of data there, even a signal level for analog. My one unit has 52k hours on its HDD.

I have the 1234 screen on! What do you want to know?
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