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post #26521 of 29213
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

WCBS has removed their inserter so no data is being transmitted OTA.

Yup...All gone in NY.
post #26522 of 29213
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Originally Posted by speedlaw View Post

Yup...All gone in NY.
Have you decided what you're going to do next?
post #26523 of 29213
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

I believe 1/1/90 at 00:00:00 will always happen doing a Sony full reset. A TVGOS full reset usually gets you the 1/1/04 date.

After a crash last week, my TVGOS was reset to 1/1/04, and I have had no time readout on the front panel ever since. (only dashes) Time is still shown in the guide, and recordings still occur properly. The lack of clock on the front just means I need to intentionally check if the clock offset has changed; I won't just notice it looking at the unit. Having the UPS isn't much help for retaining my clock, since CableCard updates seem to force an automatic reset every week (usually on Tuesday). The clock is always off after that.

Having had much experience freezing the clock to better synchronize it with real time, I will say that either a front panel reset or plug-pull usually causes the clock to fall backward the first time, but then you can pull the plug again to freeze that new time. And yes, occasionally, something weird happens instead.

Another note: I still have my grid, and presently, I can only schedule recordings using that — since my attempts to schedule manual recordings the other way produce an error message telling me that the channel is not in my line-up. :-\

- Kerry
post #26524 of 29213
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Originally Posted by KerryNY View Post

After a crash last week, my TVGOS was reset to 1/1/04, and I have had no time readout on the front panel ever since. (only dashes) Time is still shown in the guide, and recordings still occur properly. The lack of clock on the front just means I need to intentionally check if the clock offset has changed; I won't just notice it looking at the unit. Having the UPS isn't much help for retaining my clock, since CableCard updates seem to force an automatic reset every week (usually on Tuesday). The clock is always off after that.

Having had much experience freezing the clock to better synchronize it with real time, I will say that either a front panel reset or plug-pull usually causes the clock to fall backward the first time, but then you can pull the plug again to freeze that new time. And yes, occasionally, something weird happens instead.

Another note: I still have my grid, and presently, I can only schedule recordings using that — since my attempts to schedule manual recordings the other way produce an error message telling me that the channel is not in my line-up. :-\

- Kerry

Interesting, I just had to do a front panel reset cause my unit with cable card was non responsive! Turns out that after the reset, as soon as the 4 dashes showed I powered up the unit! I thought that my unit would be off by 5 minutes to compensate for the boot up time, but now it's off by an hour! Really weird! And yes you were right on the system freezing on cable card updates, cause I found 2 new channels!
post #26525 of 29213
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Originally Posted by KerryNY View Post

Another note: I still have my grid, and presently, I can only schedule recordings using that — since my attempts to schedule manual recordings the other way produce an error message telling me that the channel is not in my line-up. :-\

- Kerry
The pink error is (for me) due to clear QAM channel numbers with four decimal places. Since last year my HD channels are all one decimal place and I can record them and map them to my old analog channels. Since the function of the 1.2.21 firmware is to get TVGOS running with a digital host, and my host is cable analog, I can use .13 firmware and never get the error and do manual recordings of my other clear SD channels. I am only reporting my observations, and changing to .13 will probably cause a loss of your lineup and clock: it's your choice. My working machine is running .13 and I can record mapped channels from my listings on the guide. I keep .21 on my testing machines. I have no OTA experience or even digital experience for that matter.

Everything is on a UPS. I had six minor power outages in 2012. My last major outage was 11/11/11. I have no cable cards in my DHG units.
post #26526 of 29213
Izzy -

If you PM me your address, I will ship you a keyboard with a proper period "."
Yours is broken and seems to almost always output an ascii 33.

I've seen a similar issue once before. HoustonPerson (seldom seen around here anymore)
used to have a keyboard that would almost always output an ascii 63 in place of a period.

Go figure . ! ?

wink.gif
post #26527 of 29213
It's not the keyboard, I just seldom use the lamp above to see what I was typing! Sorry for that! I have a logitech wireless keyboard and sometimes the battery needs replacing!
Thanks for the head's up and sorry for any typo's...rolleyes.gif
post #26528 of 29213
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Originally Posted by izzy900 View Post

It's not the keyboard, I just seldom use the lamp above to see what I was typing! Sorry for that! I have a logitech wireless keyboard and sometimes the battery needs replacing!
Thanks for the head's up and sorry for any typo's...rolleyes.gif
WS likes the character, don't ya know.

Doh biggrin.gif !!!
post #26529 of 29213
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

WS likes the character, don't ya know.

Doh biggrin.gif !!!

I just feel like I get all out of breath when reading Izzy's posts . . .
It's like if I'm always running.. waving my arms in the air excitedly !

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post #26530 of 29213
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Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post

I just feel like I get all out of breath when reading Izzy's posts . . .
It's like if I'm always running.. waving my arms in the air excitedly !

smile.gif
I understand. Most posts on this thread are so depressing a little excitement now and then is good.
post #26531 of 29213
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Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post

I just feel like I get all out of breath when reading Izzy's posts . . .
It's like if I'm always running.. waving my arms in the air excitedly !

smile.gif

Like I said before. I am not Harvard educated teach! Just a simple person reading all the post here. I want to keep up to date on what we are doing in order to get our DHG's more usable.
post #26532 of 29213
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post


No host channel display is normal for .21 firmware and a digital host. A channel that starts with 0: is OTA, cable starts with 1:. OTA channel 41 is 41 or 41.1, both are the same. Is that a valid channel for your location?

PBS stations were the first to lose TVGOS on Nov. 1. If your host was WVIZ it probably no longer has a TVGOS inserter.

41 is also 41.1?  I thought 41 would be analog, 41.1 digital.

 

Anyway, no 41 in the CLE/CAK area that I'm aware of.  Maybe a trop station signal dropped by?  From Canada?   I dunno.  I haven't checked any on-line TV maps yet.

I will have to keep a close watch for that station during the wee hours of the morning.  Gee, I haven't DX'd TV signals in ages.  Might just do that when the weather is just right for it. 

 

I do have analog and digital cable.  (2-through-78 are analog.) Cable channel 41 (FX) is analog.  But, that would've been 1:41-0 and not 0:41-0.  So, I suspect if OTA 41 pops in again, it will reset my

clock and DATE to current.  I think I should double-up my scheduling with the current date/year just in case, so as not to miss my scheduled programming when 41 shows up again.  smile.gif


Edited by CleCakYngMfd - 1/24/13 at 10:12am
post #26533 of 29213
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Originally Posted by CleCakYngMfd View Post

41 is also 41.1?  I thought 41 would be analog, 41.1 digital. Anyway, no 41 in the CLE/CAK area that I'm aware of.

It's just the way the DHG shows it. It could be 41.4, and the DHG will still show it as 41.0.

Also, the DHG will most always show the actual RF channel number, not the virtual channel number. So check on AntennaWeb or TVFool for the actual RF channels that your stations broadcast on.
post #26534 of 29213
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Originally Posted by izzy900 View Post

Very interesting and as I suspected 12AM on some units! The question is!
1. have you on the TV Guide screen gone to setup down to change channel display?
2 Used the channel editor to find your channel lineup (if available) if off turned them on?

Can't edit channels, as I have no Guide Grid.  I tried to edit and it just pops right back the 'No Data for This Screen'.

Edit use to work, when I had a Grid/Channel Lineup.  mad.gif

 

I'm not sure about 'Change Channel Display"?  I will look into that.


Edited by CleCakYngMfd - 1/24/13 at 10:07am
post #26535 of 29213
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Originally Posted by CleCakYngMfd View Post

41 is also 41.1?  I thought 41 would be analog, 41.1 digital.
True, 41 would be analog. You might check the LastClkSet. Maybe it will show something. BTW, when you lose TVGOS, the host field will be blank after three days. Clock set channel doesn't go anywhere unless you do a reset or run 9012 diags even if there is no data.

The DHG can handle an analog 41 cable and OTA digital 41.1 without a problem. Not all devices can do that. Most cable companies strip PSIP data but not all. There's a lot of chaos out there.

Do you still have a channel lineup?
post #26536 of 29213
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Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post


It's just the way the DHG shows it. It could be 41.4, and the DHG will still show it as 41.0.

Also, the DHG will most always show the actual RF channel number, not the virtual channel number. So check on AntennaWeb or TVFool for the actual RF channels that your stations broadcast on.

I just checked my converter box (Edit Channel).  No local RF 41 with all my local channels.  [Checking RabbitEars...]

 

BINGO!

 

Found it!  Indeed, this Youngstown, Ohio station pops in once in a while.  I have it listed in my 250. 

 

WKBN is east of me.  The antenna in the attic is pointed north to Cleveland.

 

I think I need to get into the attic and nudge the antenna a little more to the northeast.  Get a preamp, too!

 

Thanks, WS!

 

 

 

 


Edited by CleCakYngMfd - 1/24/13 at 10:12am
post #26537 of 29213
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

Have you decided what you're going to do next?

I bought a TiVo Premiere about three months ago, when the "free" SA 8300 Junk-Box became not-free,and that covers one room. I first got used to the Sony Box, also had Dish for a while, but the 8300 is insufferably bad !!! Hearing of my plight and Sony/Rovis abandonment, a family member who was moving up to the four tuner/whole house/streaming "cable only" Tivo gifted me a lifetime Tivo HD, which is feeding another set. One HDD remains with the TiVo Premiere, as a reserve "tuner", and the other waits until April where it becomes an OTA tuner for an SD set in the office. (only watch bits of news there). My cable co went all encrypted digital, a neat way to charge everyone box rentals plus the service cost. My "free" tuning box goes away April....

I now have four recording tuners, OTA preference for networks/pbs and cable channels, running native resolution pass through to the set....no complaints. Running the Tivo off the ipad app is tech overkill (world's most expensive remote) but very cool.

Maybe Sony and Rovi could buy us all TiVo s? smile.gif

Hey Sony, I'll still be a beta tester for that new US market DVR biggrin.gif
Edited by speedlaw - 1/24/13 at 9:42am
post #26538 of 29213
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post


Do you still have a channel lineup?

 

Ahhhh... In the [Menu] area? Yeah, channels that I have scanned are there.  If you mean in the Guide area, well no. 

I have a 'blank' screen when I bring up the Guide with a notice something like, "No Data for this Screen". 

 

Is that what ya mean?


Edited by CleCakYngMfd - 1/24/13 at 10:08am
post #26539 of 29213
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Originally Posted by CleCakYngMfd View Post

Ahhhh... In the [Menu] area? Yeah, channels that I have scanned are there.  If you mean in the Guide area, well no. 
I have a 'blank' screen when I bring up the Guide with a notice something like, "No Data for this Screen". 

Is that what ya mean?
Then, unless you have a good clock from somewhere, there isn't much to lose by using the .13 firmware. It will allow recording strange channels. And you can always go back to .21 if things don't work out.

The Sony .21 firmware download page has a nice picture of your black screen:

http://esupport.sony.com/US/perl/swu-download.pl?upd_id=4542&mdl=DHGHDD250

Also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WKBN-TV
post #26540 of 29213
CleCak -

What's up with all of these hard-to-read posts?


post #26541 of 29213
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Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post

CleCak -

What's up with all of these hard-to-read posts?


 

Woops.  Sorry.  I have the default white/gray screen colors.  I see you do not.   I will see if I can change that.

 

[Ok, hope it's better. I gotta get some Zzzzzzzzz's.  I'll check this thread later tonight.]


Edited by CleCakYngMfd - 1/24/13 at 10:15am
post #26542 of 29213
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

I am only reporting my observations, and changing to .13 will probably cause a loss of your lineup and clock: it's your choice. My working machine is running .13 and I can record mapped channels from my listings on the guide.

As long as I still have the grid, I am taking a conservative approach. But if I lose the grid, I will consider full reset / format, and maybe buying copies of someone's tapes for setting the clock with a VCR. (playing them just long enough to set the clock, not to build a grid)   Heck, I'll even try using a ouija board, diving rods, and pyramid-power to set my clock.

Or I will finally jump ship and just get a Tivo.

- Kerry
post #26543 of 29213
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Originally Posted by KerryNY View Post

As long as I still have the grid, I am taking a conservative approach. But if I lose the grid, I will consider full reset / format, and maybe buying copies of someone's tapes for setting the clock with a VCR. (playing them just long enough to set the clock, not to build a grid)   Heck, I'll even try using a ouija board, diving rods, and pyramid-power to set my clock.

Or I will finally jump ship and just get a Tivo.

- Kerry
Take the easy route: get a TiVo.
post #26544 of 29213
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

Take the easy route: get a TiVo.

Starting with the cheap and familiar route. I also do not currently have internet access at home. (though I could probably pick-up an unsecured wireless signal from the neighborhood occasionally)

- Kerry
post #26545 of 29213
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Originally Posted by KerryNY View Post

Starting with the cheap and familiar route. I also do not currently have internet access at home. (though I could probably pick-up an unsecured wireless signal from the neighborhood occasionally)

- Kerry
If you have the tapes by all means use them. They set the date and time. Tivo has dialup ability but it costs more, like WiFi.
post #26546 of 29213
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Originally Posted by CleCakYngMfd View Post

Ahhhh... In the [Menu] area? Yeah, channels that I have scanned are there.  If you mean in the Guide area, well no. 
I have a 'blank' screen when I bring up the Guide with a notice something like, "No Data for this Screen". 

Is that what ya mean?

If you start up TV Guide - then go to Setup - then Change Channel Display - do you have the "No Data for this Screen" message? If so, what happens when you hit the "Menu" button on the REMOTE? I seem to remember "Edit Channels" being an option here before the grid returned. (Not 100% sure - I'm trying to go by memory here - there are so many ways to access menus on the Sony).

Edit 1/25 ... it was under "Listings" that this worked - not Change Channel Display.
Edited by cxgy - 1/25/13 at 7:48am
post #26547 of 29213
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Originally Posted by cxgy View Post

If you start up TV Guide - then go to Setup - then Change Channel Display - do you have the "No Data for this Screen" message? If so, what happens when you hit the "Menu" button on the REMOTE? I seem to remember "Edit Channels" being an option here before the grid returned. (Not 100% sure - I'm trying to go by memory here - there are so many ways to access menus on the Sony).
I think the screen being referenced is shown by the Sony link in post #26539. No lineup means no channels to edit with the guide setup. Menu-Preferences lets you select/deselect channels found during a scan. I wonder when I called the DHG a two-headed monster. Years ago.
post #26548 of 29213
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

If you have the tapes by all means use them. They set the date and time.

No, I didn't read about making tapes until the analog channels were gone from my area. But I think that using tapes made elsewhere will still set my clock. So, I might make an offer to buy a copy to test at some point.

- Kerry
post #26549 of 29213
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Originally Posted by KerryNY View Post

No, I didn't read about making tapes until the analog channels were gone from my area. But I think that using tapes made elsewhere will still set my clock. So, I might make an offer to buy a copy to test at some point.

- Kerry
I am making more tapes. First, I figure four should be enough to rebuild my lineup, host and invalid listings and get all updates. Not that it matters. I am making one that has 30 minute segments for each day of the week. I need to test these then decide what to do. What VCR do you have? I'm sure you have seen how a power outage can cause a reset to a semi-random time but keep the date. A reset starts with a clock running at midnight. My tapes are being made for noon and 6pm. Also, the full build will give you a front panel clock since the offset from UTC is valid along with other internal settings.
post #26550 of 29213
Yanked the HDD-250 out of rotation last night. It's over.
Edited by lastplace - 1/24/13 at 4:48pm
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