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post #26881 of 29213
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

Without the cable card you have some learning to do. If I can help let me know.

Funny but I thought you would have a lineup with a cable card, just no listings.
Know of any way to partner one of those new smart TV's with the DHG for Guide/Recording?
post #26882 of 29213
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Originally Posted by izzy900 View Post

Know of any way to partner one of those new smart TV's with the DHG for Guide/Recording?
no. Stop trying to make Champaign out of lemons.
post #26883 of 29213
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

Without the cable card you have some learning to do. If I can help let me know.

Funny but I thought you would have a lineup with a cable card, just no listings.

He won't get a Lineup with or without the Card. But he can still use the Card if he wants to, to get all the same channels he had before on the same channel numbers. I don't understand why he pulled the CableCard out. confused.gif
post #26884 of 29213
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Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post

He won't get a Lineup with or without the Card. But he can still use the Card if he wants to, to get all the same channels he had before on the same channel numbers. I don't understand why he pulled the CableCard out. confused.gif

Like I posted earlier, I was changing channels and the DHG became non responsive! The clock froze,DHG would not respond to FPR (CPR), no reboot! Last resort was PULL THE PLUG!mad.gif

Pulling the Cable Card was just to do a channel scan without, just in case I got new channels without, and to compare them to those I get with the card!
Edited by izzy900 - 2/5/13 at 6:20pm
post #26885 of 29213
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Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post

He won't get a Lineup with or without the Card. But he can still use the Card if he wants to, to get all the same channels he had before on the same channel numbers. I don't understand why he pulled the CableCard out. confused.gif
I'll be quiet since I've never used a DHG with a cable card and all the exclamation points are making me nervous.
post #26886 of 29213
He didn't answer Mark's question about the Front Panel Clock!
Maybe he missed Mark's post!!
But I think I know the answer!!!
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post #26887 of 29213
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Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post

He didn't answer Mark's question about the Front Panel Clock!
Maybe he missed Mark's post!!
But I think I know the answer!!!

Your right! My Bad! I still have the front panel clock, only its off by 50 minutes now! I'm waiting till morning to do the reset for the clock as I posted earlier to get the correct time!eek.gif
post #26888 of 29213
I've gotten that No Data screen before (when TVGOS was still there) and I reset the unit (unplugged) two or three times, and the channel line up eventually came back. At the time this happened to me, I also couldn't access any recordings I had, either. Also said No Data or some such message. When the recordings didn't show, I knew there was something more going on. It's worth a try...nothing to lose at this point.
post #26889 of 29213
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Originally Posted by linkstur View Post

I've gotten that No Data screen before (when TVGOS was still there) and I reset the unit (unplugged) two or three times, and the channel line up eventually came back. At the time this happened to me, I also couldn't access any recordings I had, either. Also said No Data or some such message. When the recordings didn't show, I knew there was something more going on. It's worth a try...nothing to lose at this point.

Tried your method, with cable card inserted twice. Did not get the listings back, So I experimented with Joe's method for manual recording. Tried ESPN using manual recording and got the channel not in my lineup message! Tried ESPN2 instant recording and unit started recording. Stopped recording ESPN2 and went back to ESPN hit record, recording screen came up, tried to record ESPN and Bingo did not get the not in my lineup message! So I figured I can defeat the channel not in lineup message if I attempt this on the channels I am planning to do recordings on, so I can record when I want to.wink.gif
Then I tried pulling the plug on the unit without the card inserted! Waited for the unit to boot up kept record on boot up time displayed after I got the 4 dashes after powering up my DHG (4:33 AM). I always count the seconds when I see the clock come on after the power up how long in seconds until the clock went from 4:33 AM to 4:34. the delay from 4:33 to 4:34 kept getting closer to 4:34 by 8 seconds decrementally 24,16,8. The kicker here is when I inserted the card back and went to record ESPN manually or any HD channel I did not get the not in lineup message! I did wait about 5 minutes more or less before I plugged the cord back on to the DHG after unplugging it.wink.gif I will now that I lost my grid just unplug the unit instead of doing any front panel resets. Only because of the time my unit was unresponsive, the front panel reset would not work so I had to unplug the unit and lost the grid.eek.gif
post #26890 of 29213
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Originally Posted by izzy900 View Post

Tried your method, with cable card inserted twice. Did not get the listings back, So I experimented with Joe's method for manual recording. Tried ESPN using manual recording and got the channel not in my lineup message! Tried ESPN2 instant recording and unit started recording. Stopped recording ESPN2 and went back to ESPN hit record, recording screen came up, tried to record ESPN and Bingo did not get the not in my lineup message! So I figured I can defeat the channel not in lineup message if I attempt this on the channels I am planning to do recordings on, so I can record when I want to.wink.gif
It has been posted that a simple channel change may defeat that error message. Quicker too. Glad you're back running.
post #26891 of 29213
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Originally Posted by linkstur View Post

I've gotten that No Data screen before (when TVGOS was still there) and I reset the unit (unplugged) two or three times, and the channel line up eventually came back. At the time this happened to me, I also couldn't access any recordings I had, either. Also said No Data or some such message. When the recordings didn't show, I knew there was something more going on. It's worth a try...nothing to lose at this point.

Actually, ¡Izzy! still has something to lose: The front panel clock. Seeing it display a consistent time offset was comforting when I had programs scheduled to record. Now I need to turn on the Sony and my TV just to find out if there was an overnight crash/reset. :-(

- Kerry
post #26892 of 29213
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

It has been posted that a simple channel change may defeat that error message. Quicker too. Glad you're back running.

I tried the channel change method to defeat the message as posted by WS but could not get the unit to record after going back to the desired channel. So I tried instead to just change the channel, try recording on that channel, then go back to the desired channel and try to record again! Just tinkering you know. Bottom line your none cable card OTA so maybe this issue is mainly on cable card units. And the fact that pulling power cord removing card and then powering up seems to work after I inserted the card back on, I can't complain.wink.gif
post #26893 of 29213
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Originally Posted by izzy900 View Post

. . . . Tried ESPN using manual recording and got the channel not in my lineup message! Tried ESPN2 instant recording and unit started recording. Stopped recording ESPN2 and went back to ESPN hit record, recording screen came up, tried to record ESPN and Bingo did not get the not in my lineup message! So I figured I can defeat the channel not in lineup message if I attempt this on the channels I am planning to do recordings on, so I can record when I want to.wink.gif....

Glad that worked for you. This is what I had discovered back in 2009 and recently mentioned here.
post #26894 of 29213
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

It has been posted that a simple channel change may defeat that error message. Quicker too.

That method usually does not work for me. In fact, I have not yet found any one solution that is consistently successful for my “channel not in your lineup” problem. I try random combinations of changing channels, and powering up/down (no plug pulls, since I need to preserve the clock time). Sometimes, just turning the DHG off and on again is enough, but often it is not. For this reason, I try to schedule as much as possible in one session, once I am allowed to record a channel.

- Kerry
post #26895 of 29213
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Originally Posted by KerryNY View Post

Actually, ¡Izzy! still has something to lose: The front panel clock. Seeing it display a consistent time offset was comforting when I had programs scheduled to record. Now I need to turn on the Sony and my TV just to find out if there was an overnight crash/reset. :-(

- Kerry

Right now my unit was unplugged after I did the none cable card unplug, plug power back up sequence! Since I know now that I should be able to record all my channels after powering up the unit, and I do not have any none cable card channels to record, I just pulled the plug, plugged it back on (4 dashes showing) and will wait till 4:33 AM to power up my unit and have the correct time! Only this time when my cable box (For XBR6) clock says 4:33 AM I will wait till 4:33:50 to power back up! I should then be within a few seconds of the correct time! I use my Magnovox MDR513H/F7 to record regular cable channels.rolleyes.gif
post #26896 of 29213
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Originally Posted by izzy900 View Post

Tried your method, with cable card inserted twice. Did not get the listings back, So I experimented with Joe's method for manual recording. Tried ESPN using manual recording and got the channel not in my lineup message! Tried ESPN2 instant recording and unit started recording. Stopped recording ESPN2 and went back to ESPN hit record, recording screen came up, tried to record ESPN and Bingo did not get the not in my lineup message! So I figured I can defeat the channel not in lineup message if I attempt this on the channels I am planning to do recordings on, so I can record when I want to.wink.gif
Maybe I misunderstood. You got the error when trying to record a channel not in your lineup and you had to manually enter the channel number?

Since I have a pretty full lineup, and ESPN is there but on a dead channel, I still can't record it with .21 firmware when selecting the physical QAM channel manually.
post #26897 of 29213
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

Maybe I misunderstood. You got the error when trying to record a channel not in your lineup and you had to manually enter the channel number?

Since I have a pretty full lineup, and ESPN is there but on a dead channel, I still can't record it with .21 firmware when selecting the physical channel manually.

No, These are channels I normally have on my lineup!
post #26898 of 29213
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Originally Posted by izzy900 View Post

No, These are channels I normally have on my lineup!
I think I understand. Your "not in my lineup" message was false. When I get it it's true. Since TVGOS doesn't know I have no cable card, my listings are mostly dead air now. The channels are still there with clear QAM channel numbers, like with your 513H, but only the .13 firmware gives me the manual recording ability. I seldom use it since I use my 515H to record TNT, FX, TNT etc. in SD.
post #26899 of 29213
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

I think I understand. Your "not in my lineup" message was false. When I get it it's true. Since TVGOS doesn't know I have no cable card, my listings are mostly dead air now. The channels are still there with clear QAM channel numbers, like with your 513H, but only the .13 firmware gives me the manual recording ability. I seldom use it since I use my 515H to record TNT, FX, TNT etc. in SD.

I tried connecting my 513H to record Cable channels with cable box using RCA's but only got channels in widescreen, annoying widescreen bars!
post #26900 of 29213
I just accidentally turned the power off to my backup DHG for a few seconds while resetting a different component. It was ON when the power was taken away. Rats. Anyhow, the clock reset to 12:00am Jan 1, 2004 and I lost the grid! Wow that's fragile. .never lost the grid before! This DHG is OTA-only and will definitely get the grid/clock back since I still have at least 2 (maybe 3) digital hosts in my area. (My main DHG is OTA+Cable & gets an analog Cable host).

It will be interesting to see..

1) how long it will take to get the grid & correct time back &
2) if the grid is full of stations from my local host only - or the big 2-host grid I "grew" originally by doing 2 consecutive setups (#1 with adjacent-market zip for CKCO, then #2 with local zip for CFTO). If the smaller grid, then that will show that the grid restarted from scratch. If a complete bigger grid, then that will show that my original lost grid was somehow "recovered".
Edited by cxgy - 2/6/13 at 6:47am
post #26901 of 29213
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Originally Posted by izzy900 View Post

I tried connecting my 513H to record Cable channels with cable box using RCA's but only got channels in widescreen, annoying widescreen bars!
SD and HD would probably show as letterbox if you connected the rf and selected 16x9. I have two cable drops. One is for the TiVo which was a STB. The other goes to a 1 to 4 active splitter. It feeds the Sony(s), Mag, and TV. You might connect the rf to the Mag and see what channels come through. Same for the TV. Something to do on a snowy day. Like Friday.
post #26902 of 29213
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

Those are called barn doors. SD and HD would probably show as letterbox if you connected the rf and selected 16x9. I have two cable drops. One is for the TiVo which was a STB. The other goes to a 1 to 4 active splitter. It feeds the Sony(s), Mag, and TV. You might connect the rf to the Mag and see what channels come through. Same for the TV. Something to do on a snowy day. Like Friday.
I already did that on both! I'm assuming you mean raw feed no box? That's how both are setup..wink.gif
post #26903 of 29213
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Originally Posted by izzy900 View Post

I already did that on both! I'm assuming you mean raw feed no box? That's how both are setup..wink.gif
Then you already know what you will get without the cable card.
post #26904 of 29213
YUP! Did channel scans on both!
post #26905 of 29213
I got home from work at 6:30pm tonight, and checked the DHG (which I have been doing every day).
The host channel set at 10:15am this morning. smile.gif
The Clock set at 12:06pm. smile.gif
At 6:30pm, TVGOs is now gone. eek.gif
TSReader confirms this. It shows that the two TVGOS PIDs are no longer there. mad.gif
Wichita is now dead. mad.gif

I called 911, and reported the death, and now the police are on the lookout for a guy who goes by the name of "Rovi". Maybe they'll catch him before he strikes any more cities. wink.gif

Mark
post #26906 of 29213
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Originally Posted by izzy900 View Post

I tried the channel change method to defeat the message channel not in lineup message as posted by WS but could not get the unit to record after going back to the desired channel. So I tried instead to just change the channel, try recording on that channel, then go back to the desired channel and try to record again! Just tinkering you know. Bottom line your none cable card OTA so maybe this issue is mainly on cable card units. And the fact that pulling power cord removing card and then powering up seems to work after I inserted the card back on, I can't complain.wink.gif
I did another pull plug, wait 1 minute and plug back on method to set the time closer by a few seconds. Unit rebooted and 4 dashes were showing (TVGOS was pulled, NO LISTINGS,NO CLOCK). So I left the unit alone and waited till 4:33:50 AM to power unit up! Stupid me!, I must have been a little groggy when I woke up to power the unit up at 4:33:50 AM and did it at 4:32:50.eek.gif So now my clock is off by a minute! I did learn that 4:33 AM seems to be saved in the unit as last good clock time and seems to default to it. However after every unplugging and plugging back on the clock seems to use up 8 seconds of time! EXA 4:33:00 AM, 4:33:08 AM, 4:33:16 so I would consider the next time on the clock would be 4:33:24 AM and would power up at 4:33:24 to get the seconds in sync. I figure as long as the time is embedded during unplug, plug resets I can at least get the clock back within a few seconds. On the issue of getting my cable card channels to recorded manually, the if you can not record change channel and come back to record that channel just does not seem to work in my case! So I just tinkered with the channels I know I want to record from AMC (Walking Dead), USA (Burn Notice), TNT (Falling Skies) not on schedule yet but can record channel and I would set manual recording for 3 weeks ahead! This defeats the I forgot to set my recorder to record that program eek.gif dilemma.wink.gif
What I mean by tinkering with the channels is to tune into a desired channel, try to record on it, if successful set all my recordings for that channel for 3 weeks!. Try random channels that I view, try to record on them and if successful go to desired channel and try recording.biggrin.gif
Edited by izzy900 - 2/7/13 at 4:22am
post #26907 of 29213
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Originally Posted by izzy900 View Post

What I mean by tinkering with the channels is to tune into a desired channel, try to record on it, if successful set all my recordings for that channel for 3 weeks!. Try random channels that I view, try to record on them and if successful go to desired channel and try recording.biggrin.gif
I'm curious. When you record basic cable, like TNT, USA, etc. if you are getting them at 1080i or 480i. Are they 16x9 or stretched 4x3? Letterbox is not a major problem when viewed on a 16x9 panel and I can do an A-B comparison quickly. All things being equal, I don't mind upconverted digital but it's the sound that I miss when switching. I watch analog for The Weather Channel sometimes just to see if it's still there and the analog feed has different information.
post #26908 of 29213
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Originally Posted by mabuttra View Post

At 6:30pm, TVGOs is now gone. eek.gif
TSReader confirms this. It shows that the two TVGOS PIDs are no longer there. mad.gif
Wichita is now dead. mad.gif

Dang, another one in the club. :-(

Is anyone keeping count of how many posters here still have the TVGOS signal coming in?

- Kerry
post #26909 of 29213
Dallas FWIW Department

About 3 days ago DPP’s started coming in about 10 or more per day; so HostChannelSet is Fast. Less than 24 hours.

Also the TiVo came in, now all I need is for the cables to come in to hook it up; should be here late today.

In theory I should be able to record 3 shows at once, while watching another. At least till the TVGOS goes out.

Plus ONE for the TiVo, it is smaller and black. Less obtrusive than the big silver box. LOL The remote control looks fancy pants. Funny how they handle the “-“ LOL
post #26910 of 29213
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Originally Posted by izzy900 View Post

What I mean by tinkering with the channels is to tune into a desired channel, try to record on it, if successful set all my recordings for that channel for 3 weeks!.

I use the same "strike while the iron is hot" method. It only backfires when a spontaneous reset throws off my clock, and I need to adjust all the scheduled recordings that will take place before I can set the time/day again.

BTW, even editing an existing item on the schedule can yield the "not in your lineup" error. :-\

- Kerry
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