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post #26941 of 28406
2/7/13 at 4:40pm
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Originally Posted by izzy900 View Post

It's a clock thing ya know.eek.gif
I'm greatful for your method. I know to start the FP reset procedure around 6pm.
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post #26942 of 28406
2/7/13 at 4:45pm
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

I'm greatful for your method. I know to start the FP reset procedure around 6pm.

In my case 4:33 Am works, cause my job has a fluctuating schedule and anytime from 6AM to 11PM I could be working HD.rolleyes.gif
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post #26943 of 28406
2/7/13 at 7:25pm
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Originally Posted by izzy900 View Post

In my case 4:33 Am works, cause my job has a fluctuating schedule and anytime from 6AM to 11PM I could be working HD.rolleyes.gif

I don't think your plug-in time will stay at 4:33 AM. I've been doing this for years, and although the clock backs up to the same time for while, it eventually moves on. I rarely see it go back more than an hour after a reset. So, if I reboot and find the clock says 10:06 AM, I can reboot again anytime in the next 40-50 minutes, and it will show 10:06 AM again. (leaving it plugged in during the interim) I haven't tested experimentally to find when the change occurs, but I suspect that leaving the unit plugged in for over an hour would have the clock only return to 11:XX AM on reboot, not 10:06 AM.

Anyway, I always need to boot twice: The first time to find out what my target time will be, and then pull the plug and wait until ~1.5 minutes before the target time before plugging in again.

- Kerry
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post #26944 of 28406
2/7/13 at 7:56pm
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Originally Posted by KerryNY View Post

I don't think your plug-in time will stay at 4:33 AM. I've been doing this for years, and although the clock backs up to the same time for while, it eventually moves on. I rarely see it go back more than an hour after a reset. So, if I reboot and find the clock says 10:06 AM, I can reboot again anytime in the next 40-50 minutes, and it will show 10:06 AM again. (leaving it plugged in during the interim) I haven't tested experimentally to find when the change occurs, but I suspect that leaving the unit plugged in for over an hour would have the clock only return to 11:XX AM on reboot, not 10:06 AM.

Anyway, I always need to boot twice: The first time to find out what my target time will be, and then pull the plug and wait until ~1.5 minutes before the target time before plugging in again.

- Kerry

I agree. I know when I played with this a few weeks ago that my "frozen" clock time would change over the course of an evening between dual resets. I'd also like to know why izzy900 has abandoned his front panel reset method in favor of pulling the plug, and having to guess the exact moment to plug it back in. His original method of using front panel resets, and simply pressing the power button at the exact time to set the clock seemed pretty easy to me.

Mark
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post #26945 of 28406
2/8/13 at 2:02am
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Originally Posted by mabuttra View Post

I agree. I know when I played with this a few weeks ago that my "frozen" clock time would change over the course of an evening between dual resets. I'd also like to know why izzy900 has abandoned his front panel reset method in favor of pulling the plug, and having to guess the exact moment to plug it back in. His original method of using front panel resets, and simply pressing the power button at the exact time to set the clock seemed pretty easy to me.

Mark

The only reason I was doing the front panel reset method was because I feared that the pulling the plug method for a reset would blow my grid away! I feared losing my grid.eek.gif

My fears were supported when my unit (posted earlier) became unresponsive to front panel resets, the DHG just froze after a channel change to MLB, I had to pull the plug to get back into the game!eek.gif

Well guess what Mark! I lost the grid, just as I feared.eek.gif So now I feel pulling the plug is the lesser of the 2 evils, and the grid is gone so why not.rolleyes.gif

As for Kerry's comment on the clock time progressing forward after some time and not staying frozen at 433 AM. rolleyes.gif You are probably right! The only difference here is that I do not allow the clock time to progress after noting the time! I now will pull the plug wait about a minute and plug back in! However this is when I leave the unit alone till my target time (Plugged in, but not powered up), so the clock theoretically should not advance any further than a few seconds.rolleyes.gif
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post #26946 of 28406
2/8/13 at 6:33am
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Originally Posted by mabuttra View Post

I'd also like to know why izzy900 has abandoned his front panel reset method in favor of pulling the plug, and having to guess the exact moment to plug it back in. His original method of using front panel resets, and simply pressing the power button at the exact time to set the clock seemed pretty easy to me.

I also reverted back to plug-pulls after my big crash (with perpetual looping resets), because the one time I used the two FP resets after the crash, the clock kept advancing — even though I never hit the power button. It might have something to do with the loss of the FP clock, but I don't want to test it again, since I am close to having the correct guide time now.

- Kerry
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post #26947 of 28406
2/8/13 at 7:02pm
San Francisco TVGOS (KPIX, a CBS owned & operated station) may be gone - I have no listings past next Tuesday ~3am. I'm OTA only. What do other folks in the SF area see?

The response I got from Rovi back in November led us to believe that we might have the signal til the end (April) so maybe there's just a glitch.

> From: Rovi CE Support
> Date: Thursday, November 15, 2012, 7:12 AM

Dear David,

We regret to inform you that Rovi has announced the termination of broadcast Guide data in the US beginning on 11/1/2012 through April 2013. This was a business decision between Rovi and your Manufacturer.
Broadcast Guide data is planned to be supported in the San Francisco Bay Area through April 2013.
Internet Guide data will continue to be available for those internet capable Guides, Version 10 and above. Please refer to your CE manufacturer for further inquiries.

Sincerely,

CE Technical Support
Rovi
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post #26948 of 28406
2/8/13 at 8:11pm
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Originally Posted by davbrown2 View Post

San Francisco TVGOS (KPIX, a CBS owned & operated station) may be gone - I have no listings past next Tuesday ~3am. I'm OTA only. What do other folks in the SF area see?

The response I got from Rovi back in November led us to believe that we might have the signal til the end (April) so maybe there's just a glitch.

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My theory is that they are ahead of schedule, and will probably give their upper management giant bonuses for getting it done early. Bonuses so big, that they could have paid for another 50 years of OTA TVGOS. That is just my (sarcastic) thinking though. BTW people are also reporting that Washington DC, and Baltimore, Maryland are now without TVGOS.

Mark
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post #26949 of 28406
2/8/13 at 9:49pm
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Originally Posted by davbrown2 View Post

San Francisco TVGOS (KPIX, a CBS owned & operated station) may be gone - I have no listings past next Tuesday ~3am. I'm OTA only. What do other folks in the SF area see?

I received confirmation from Engineering at KPIX (San Francisco):

David,

We were instructed by CBS Corporate that the ROVI deal had expired and we are supposed to disconnect the server and return it. We have complied with that direction. I apologize for the obvious inconvenience this has caused you, however this matter is beyond our control.

Regards,

Mike

Michael Englehaupt
Director of Engineering
KPIX-TV/KBCW-TV
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post #26950 of 28406
2/9/13 at 3:56am
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

SOP. But you gotta read this thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1283216/official-sony-internet-tv-nsx-ddgt1-thread/0_50#post_19364185
The Rovi reference is great.

Hey Joe, Thanks for the link! I really can't stand TV's with reflective displays. The last one I bought I sent right back. eek.gif What was Sony thinking? While the TV may have the TVGOS through the internet, and superior Sony sound quality, not to mention the internet. I decided to put the kabosh on that plan. Instead I will be getting the NSZ-GT1 Sony Internet TV 3D Blu-ray Disc Player. rolleyes.gif I will use Titan TV to get my listing instead! Expletive Delete ROVI! mad.gif
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post #26951 of 28406
2/9/13 at 5:07am
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Originally Posted by mabuttra View Post

My theory is that they are ahead of schedule, and will probably give their upper management giant bonuses for getting it done early. Bonuses so big, that they could have paid for another 50 years of OTA TVGOS. That is just my (sarcastic) thinking though. BTW people are also reporting that Washington DC, and Baltimore, Maryland are now without TVGOS.

Mark
I'm still waiting for the first analog inserter to be pulled. One more month and we hit DST. I can't imagine what Rovi is thinking. I'm just not wired that way.
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post #26952 of 28406
2/9/13 at 10:24am
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Originally Posted by davbrown2 View Post

I received confirmation from Engineering at KPIX (San Francisco):

David,

We were instructed by CBS Corporate that the ROVI deal had expired and we are supposed to disconnect the server and return it. We have complied with that direction. I apologize for the obvious inconvenience this has caused you, however this matter is beyond our control.

Regards,

Mike

Michael Englehaupt
Director of Engineering
KPIX-TV/KBCW-TV

That's very odd. P Smith is in San Francisco, and monitors the TVGOS from KPIX with TSReader. A couple of days ago he mentioned that the data was still going strong. I asked him to verify that this morning, and here he reports that the data is still being sent out.

If you go to the 753 menu, and up three screens, and look at the LastClkSet field, it will tell you when the clock was last set by TVGOS. If that field has not been updated since last Monday (2/4), then the data really is gone, otherwise, it may just be the listings data that has a problem.

Mark
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post #26953 of 28406
2/9/13 at 10:44am
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Originally Posted by davbrown2 View Post

We were instructed by CBS Corporate that the ROVI deal had expired ...

I'm still getting TVGOS data, and with that, I am still getting the daily CBS ads. If the deal had indeed expired, then why are the CBS ads continuing?
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post #26954 of 28406
2/9/13 at 10:45am
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

I'm still waiting for the first analog inserter to be pulled. One more month and we hit DST. I can't imagine what Rovi is thinking. I'm just not wired that way.

I'm curious why you would need a recording during DST? I have a videotape from 12/16/12, that will set my clock to 11:02 pm. It doesn't matter whether it is DST or not, it will always set my clock to 11:02 pm. Without TVGOS, the only time reference the DHG will know is what is on the tape. So if I ever use that tape, the DHG will think it is December 16, 2012, at 11:02pm, even if I use the tape in July.

The only advantage I can see to doing a recording on March 11 (one day after the time changes), is that it would be 8 months before the DHG clock would automatically change again. So theoretically (assuming the clock is very accurate over 8 months), you would only have to play the tape once every 8 months to keep the clock correct.

I'm not sure the guys who are "setting" their clock right now without TVGOS, realize that they are going to have to do it again when the time changes on March 10, because their clocks will be off an hour after that.

Mark
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post #26955 of 28406
2/9/13 at 11:38am
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Originally Posted by mabuttra View Post

I'm curious why you would need a recording during DST? I have a videotape from 12/16/12, that will set my clock to 11:02 pm. It doesn't matter whether it is DST or not, it will always set my clock to 11:02 pm. Without TVGOS, the only time reference the DHG will know is what is on the tape. So if I ever use that tape, the DHG will think it is December 16, 2012, at 11:02pm, even if I use the tape in July.

The only advantage I can see to doing a recording on March 11 (one day after the time changes), is that it would be 8 months before the DHG clock would automatically change again. So theoretically (assuming the clock is very accurate over 8 months), you would only have to play the tape once every 8 months to keep the clock correct.

I'm not sure the guys who are "setting" their clock right now without TVGOS, realize that they are going to have to do it again when the time changes on March 10, because their clocks will be off an hour after that.

Mark
Color me OCD. You're right about the tape though. It's like changing batteries in a smoke alarm. I make a set twice a year. If all units drift the same, I figure one minute per month is about right.
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post #26956 of 28406
2/9/13 at 4:20pm
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Originally Posted by WaltA View Post

I'm still getting TVGOS data, and with that, I am still getting the daily CBS ads. If the deal had indeed expired, then why are the CBS ads continuing?

There was supposed to be one inserter in every DMA but in your case they sent an analog inserter to every Service Electric headend. There is no contractual agreement between Rovi and Service Electric. Service Electric is doing this at their own free will. Even though KYWs inserter is gone, the server that supplies your DMA is still active so you will see the CBS ads. It is also possible that KYW ended their relationship with Rovi a head of time but Rovi does not care since it is over for TVGOS anyway. As for Joe Kustra and I we have no CBS ads here as there was never a digital inserter installed in our DMA so there was never a contract with a station here. Only Service Electric customers in the Wilkes Barre DMA has TVGOS service since WVIA ended analog broadcasting in February of 2009. It will be interesting to see when Joe, You, and I lose our TVGOS. The arrangement I have with the Hazleton division is I will tell them when the data stops or they will give me a heads up if Rovi calls in the inserter. According to what Rovi told me the whole system will be shutdown on April 31st so that maybe our last day.
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post #26957 of 28406
2/9/13 at 6:14pm
So here's a bit of info. from my area...I am about 50 minutes away from San Antonio, TX and about 1hr 20 min. from Austin TX. I own 3 250's and they have always worked fantastic. I recall some yrs. back that my clock was running slow...I was looking at my 250 to see it reset itself, getting the WELCOME screen, then the "dots"; took about 10 minutes and the clock came back with perfect time.

Credit goes to the techs at KENS-TV, the CBS San Antonio affiliate. I have never had TVGOS problems what so ever....at least I've never seen a NO LISTINGS come up. Two of my 250's have listings for San Antonio, the other is pointed to Austin TX. I read sometime back that listings are gone from Austin but I am still receiving them. So perhaps somebody from Austin can confirm if listings are really gone.

Between family & work, I usually don't have time to follow all of the postings...that and the guys at KENS for doing a fantastic job with TVGOS. I never could figure why Houston had so many issues with TVGOS...both KENS & the Houston CBS station are owned by same owner BELO.

I'll still use it as a tuner but sad to see it go : (
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post #26958 of 28406
2/9/13 at 6:41pm
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So here's a bit of info. from my area...I am about 50 minutes away from San Antonio, TX and about 1hr 20 min. from Austin TX. I own 3 250's and they have always worked fantastic. I recall some yrs. back that my clock was running slow...I was looking at my 250 to see it reset itself, getting the WELCOME screen, then the "dots"; took about 10 minutes and the clock came back with perfect time.

Credit goes to the techs at KENS-TV, the CBS San Antonio affiliate. I have never had TVGOS problems what so ever....at least I've never seen a NO LISTINGS come up. Two of my 250's have listings for San Antonio, the other is pointed to Austin TX. I read sometime back that listings are gone from Austin but I am still receiving them. So perhaps somebody from Austin can confirm if listings are really gone.

Between family & work, I usually don't have time to follow all of the postings...that and the guys at KENS for doing a fantastic job with TVGOS. I never could figure why Houston had so many issues with TVGOS...both KENS & the Houston CBS station are owned by same owner BELO.

I'll still use it as a tuner but sad to see it go : (

Austin is dead, and has been for over a month. You are most likely getting listings from San Antonio. If you have set the Austin DHG to an Austin zip code, then most likely Austin and San Antonio are both in the same DMA, and the San Antonio station is sending out data for both. You can go into the 753 menu, and go down two screens and right one screen. That screen is the clocks 2 screen, and will show what your last clock set channel was. I think you will see that it is your San Antonio CBS station.

Mark
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post #26959 of 28406
2/10/13 at 4:16am

Ug.    A lockup while attempting a x3 rewind.  This time, I tried a Front Panel Reset.  After about 90 seconds...
 
No FP Clock, just the “--:--”.  Upon power-up, I do get a 12am Guide Clock.  I still have my Scheduled Recordings List.
 
I did another FPR.  12am again.   I scheduled a test "New Manual Recording", and worked ok without the FP Clock.
 
I waited until 2 minutes before Midnight and did another FPR.  About 90 seconds later, I get the “--:--” on the FP again. 
I now Power-up at Midnight.   Uh-oh.  I now get 2am!  
 
 
For today, I edited all my Sunday's Schedule Recordings back to 1/1/04 and adjusted the Start/Stop times by 2 hours.
 
I will do another Midnight reset tonight, except it will be the Factory Guide Reset.  Then yet again for Thursday 12am to sync days-of-the-week.   (Sigh)
 
What I have noticed about some of my recent lockups, is that the unit seems sluggish to respond to commands at times, and seems ripe for a playback lockup. 

It was doing that last night just before this latest freeze/lockup.   Yet other times it is not sluggish.  I don’t know.   I have about 30-to-35% free recording space mostly. 

(I did reach under 10% at one time, many moons ago.) 

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post #26960 of 28406
2/10/13 at 5:30am
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Originally Posted by CleCakYngMfd View Post

Ug.    A lockup while attempting a x3 rewind.  This time, I tried a Front Panel Reset.  After about 90 seconds...
No FP Clock, just the “--:--”.  Upon power-up, I do get a 12am Guide Clock.  I still have my Scheduled Recordings List.
I did another FPR.  12am again.   I scheduled a test "New Manual Recording", and worked ok without the FP Clock.
I waited until 2 minutes before Midnight and did another FPR.  About 90 seconds later, I get the “--:--” on the FP again. 
I now Power-up at Midnight.   Uh-oh.  I now get 2am! 
For today, I edited all my Sunday's Schedule Recordings back to 1/1/04 and adjusted the Start/Stop times by 2 hours.
I will do another Midnight reset tonight, except it will be the Factory Guide Reset.  Then yet again for Thursday 12am to sync days-of-the-week.   (Sigh)
What I have noticed about some of my recent lockups, is that the unit seems sluggish to respond to commands at times, and seems ripe for a playback lockup. 
It was doing that last night just before this latest freeze/lockup.   Yet other times it is not sluggish.  I don’t know.   I have about 30-to-35% free recording space mostly. 
(I did reach under 10% at one time, many moons ago.) 

Is it possible that since you did power up your unit after the (--:--) and did not get the FP clock back, the internal clock just went forward by 2 hrs during recording? Then you did a FPR? I do suspect that while the unit is powered up the internal clock does move forward and saves the time after FPR. Since I do have the FP clock the time saved is 4:34 AM internal, cause that was the last good time before losing power. In your case since you did not have the FP clock just the internal clock and did manual recordings, the only time it saved was internally! Time must move on..rolleyes.gif
And yes, I find my DHG a little more buggy without TVGOS since ROVI pulled out! mad.gif
Edited by izzy900 - 2/10/13 at 5:46am
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post #26961 of 28406
2/10/13 at 6:44am
Dallas

Still have TVGOS here with all packets coming in strong with fast HostChannelSet etc.

I am hoping the local station just steals the inserter from Rovi and it magically keeps working LOL

There are still some key elements that the Sony is better than the TiVo and of course the reverse is also true


Um? Wonder what has been happening in Houston?
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post #26962 of 28406
2/10/13 at 7:10am
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Originally Posted by HoustonPerson View Post

Dallas

Still have TVGOS here with all packets coming in strong with fast HostChannelSet etc.

I am hoping the local station just steals the inserter from Rovi and it magically keeps working LOL

There are still some key elements that the Sony is better than the TiVo and of course the reverse is also true


Um? Wonder what has been happening in Houston?
I think it went to heaven.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1122914/tvgos-tv-guide-on-screen-devices/1400_50#post_22911691
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post #26963 of 28406
2/10/13 at 7:20am
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Originally Posted by HoustonPerson View Post

Um? Wonder what has been happening in Houston?

Houston
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2/10/13 at 7:59am
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Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post

Houston

Love the tune, Gone Gone Gone

Rock It
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2/10/13 at 8:08am
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Houston
Maybe you can get a link to Mr. Fantasy for those who think Rovi will change their minds.
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post #26966 of 28406
2/10/13 at 8:18am
Atlanta TVGOS listing also ends at 3am 2/12/2013.
My DVR has two days left of listings and will be empty this coming Tuesday.
How can they do this to us?

Signing off....
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post #26967 of 28406
2/10/13 at 8:31am
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

Maybe you can get a link to Mr. Fantasy for those who think Rovi will change their minds.

For those waiting for Rovi to reconsider . . .
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post #26968 of 28406
2/10/13 at 9:02am
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Originally Posted by CC58 View Post

How can they do this to us?

Because Rovi was betting that we all would just roll over and accept it, with no so much as small whimper. Rovi's corporate image is still well intact.
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post #26969 of 28406
2/10/13 at 9:56am
Are there any other uses for these units or do you just toss it?
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post #26970 of 28406
2/10/13 at 10:02am
This thread is like reading a Stephen King novel these days. Arizona's been hit.... We're still good in Nevada... Just a few more days until Califonia's dead.
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