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Originally Posted by ImTheOne View Post

If I were to write my own firmware to replace the Sony/Rovi firmware, would this violate anything in the licensing agreements? I'm considering this in the event that Sony doesn't provide a clock fix.

In my opinion, it may not be an issue since the DHG uses Linux and GPL (Gnu General Public License) that specifies that any code which is released under the GPL can be used by anyone “freely” and that any work which is based on the GPL code must also be released under the GPL. What this means to companies is that if they modify some GPL code and use it in a product, their whole product would then fall under the GPL and they would be required to make all source code publicly available. This is why Sony had to provide the bits (of code) covered by the terms of the GNU General Public License.

https://products.sel.sony.com/opensource/source_settop.shtml
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Originally Posted by ImTheOne View Post

At this point it shouldn't matter what you have entered for the Zip Code since there is no longer any data availble. What's the big deal if the recorder searches for something that's not there? It doesn't affect the performance of the unit.

It shouldn't matter but the evidence seems to disagree. I lost my analog cable inserter and my DHG lasted less than a month without locking up solid. Some people come here for the first time because they lost their listings. Some come because their clock is slow by a random amount, usually around 2.5 hours and they did nothing. There are many reasons but all point to a unit that needed a FP reset or power cycle and there was no TVGOS to set things right again. My unit never had this issue before. It never had any problems since I moved it to its current location over two years ago. I speculate that the DHG wasn't designed to allow searching for a host many times and never finding one. Even now, after the reset and power cycle, it takes slightly longer to turn on, indicated by how long it takes to display the DD indicator. I have mine set to record Letterman in HD every night.

I also speculate that there could be bad data the DHG can't handle. My cable feed has over 400 channels. I only get 140 without a cable card. Those OTA units may find some station with a bad PSIP seen by the DHG as data. Just guessing. But stopping the host search does seem to improve stability.
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Originally Posted by speedlaw View Post

Who else uses TVGOS 8 ?
Rovi also is killing V9 and OTA V10 used by many TV's and probably other CE devices. Only V10 delivery via the internet is supposed to survive.
post #27634 of 29213
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Originally Posted by KerryNY View Post

Do you use a cableCard in your DHG? I had that problem a few times, and I think it coincided with cableCard problems. I also remember that rebooting with my card removed, and then again with the card inserted would cause my preferred channel order and on/off settings to be lost.

But, like you said, it doesn't really matter anymore.

- Kerry

OTA only. Something flaky was going on with TVGOS and it was easier to figure out a work-around than it was to pursue it.
post #27635 of 29213
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Originally Posted by slotkar View Post

In my opinion, it may not be an issue since the DHG uses Linux and GPL (Gnu General Public License) that specifies that any code which is released under the GPL can be used by anyone “freely” and that any work which is based on the GPL code must also be released under the GPL. What this means to companies is that if they modify some GPL code and use it in a product, their whole product would then fall under the GPL and they would be required to make all source code publicly available. This is why Sony had to provide the bits (of code) covered by the terms of the GNU General Public License.

https://products.sel.sony.com/opensource/source_settop.shtml

I thought this as well, but a supervisor at Sony Technical Support refused to provide access to the firmware citing that Sony has never published the code and it is proprietary.

BTW, free doesn't mean free of cost, it means free to modify and distribute. It's only free of cost if Sony doesn't charge for it.
Edited by ImTheOne - 3/12/13 at 4:48pm
post #27636 of 29213
looks like Sony is dragging their feet on the clock issue...eek.gif It's not definitive but it looks like Sony want's us to accept the app as their fix...mad.gif Got this from the Sony Facebook site!..rolleyes.gif

Laura Behnke
I own a Sony DHG-HDD500 Digital Video Recorder. Sony relied on a third party TV guide system to program the device's clock. This third party is discontinuing its service; there is not a manual method to set the clock so the device cannot record. Sony is aware of the issue but blames the third party for ending its service. Sony is not coming up with an option so these devices are just expensive tuners (I bought mine used for over $500). They were $1000 new. Even without a tv guide, some, including myself, would be happy to be able to manually input the date and time so that we can still use our high definition recorder. Get Sony to support their mistake -- they relied on a third party but are not fighting to fix the situation or provide a solution. Sony is giving up on us so we should give up on them.
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Sony Hi Laura, the TV Guide On Screen® system is a third-party service provided by the Rovi® Corporation and is available on some Sony® TVs and digital recording products.
Currently the data for the Guide is sent by way of over-the-air and cable broadcast transmissions, and through an Internet connection to compatible devices.
On November 1, 2012 the Rovi Corporation began discontinuing the broadcast transmission of data from all US locations and will complete that process by April 2013 . Once the broadcast transmission ends in a location, the TV Guide On Screen service will be available only to devices that are Internet update capable and are connected to an active network connection.
For those units that do not connect to the internet a Recording Time Calculator app is now available via Google play;
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.sony.sel.udrd.recordingtimecalculator&feature=search_result#?t=W10

Thanks, Scott Fuentes http://www.facebook.com/SSUSAScottFuentes
Sony Support USA
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post #27637 of 29213
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Originally Posted by izzy900 View Post

looks like Sony is dragging their feet on the clock issue...eek.gif It's not definitive but it looks like Sony want's us to accept the app as their fix...mad.gif ............

For those units that do not connect to the internet a Recording Time Calculator app is now available via Google play;
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.sony.sel.udrd.recordingtimecalculator&feature=search_result#?t=W10

Thanks, Scott Fuentes http://www.facebook.com/SSUSAScottFuentes
Sony Support USA

"That's my Story, and I'm Stickin' to It !!!"
post #27638 of 29213
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Originally Posted by izzy900 View Post

It's not definitive but it looks like Sony want's us to accept the app as their fix...mad.gif
Looks pretty definitive to me.
Consider this for a minute: 8yr old boxes with 8yr old IDE hard drives that can't be replaced by the user and won't be replaced by Sony service -- not to mention the power supplies -- how much longer do you really expect these things to last.
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Attention, Attention, maybe a clock set fix?

I have a Pioneer TV with TVGOS v9. Antenna two will only receive analog stations, built that way by Pioneer. So in order to view OTA channels I hooked up an Artec T3AP-LL Digital to Analog converter box.

Suprize, Suprize, the next morning TVGOS had the CORRECT TIME & DATE. The Guide still has NO LISTINGS. The search for Time in setup was Green.

I was able to set reminds with accuracy. I tested for 2 days, I could not believe it, TVGOS was getting its time stamp from the converter box, and it’s no fluke …

I’m now trying to make my Toshiba v9 TV do the same, but I’m having no luck programming antenna two to receive the time stamp from the converter. It needs to receive just analog like the Pioneer. I’ve tried to config antenna two from the
TV menu and TVGOS, I have run scans, etc. Antenna two receives all the converted channels when the TV is set to channel 3, but it will not pass the time/date stamp.

I’m going to move on to a DHG, but I help.
post #27640 of 29213
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Originally Posted by BOZOO View Post

Attention, Attention, maybe a clock set fix?

I have a Pioneer TV with TVGOS v9. Antenna two will only receive analog stations, built that way by Pioneer. So in order to view OTA channels I hooked up an Artec T3AP-LL Digital to Analog converter box.

Suprize, Suprize, the next morning TVGOS had the CORRECT TIME & DATE. The Guide still has NO LISTINGS. The search for Time in setup was Green.

I was able to set reminds with accuracy. I tested for 2 days, I could not believe it, TVGOS was getting its time stamp from the converter box, and it’s no fluke …

I’m now trying to make my Toshiba v9 TV do the same, but I’m having no luck programming antenna two to receive the time stamp from the converter. It needs to receive just analog like the Pioneer. I’ve tried to config antenna two from the
TV menu and TVGOS, I have run scans, etc. Antenna two receives all the converted channels when the TV is set to channel 3, but it will not pass the time/date stamp.

I’m going to move on to a DHG, but I help.
There are reports of the TVGOS inserter being able to supply the clock data but not listings. That ends when the inserter is returned to Rovi. Perhaps you can check the source of the correct clock signal.

My guess is that the DHG will get a valid clock if it can receive rf from the same source.
post #27641 of 29213
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

Looks pretty definitive to me.
Consider this for a minute: 8yr old boxes with 8yr old IDE hard drives that can't be replaced by the user and won't be replaced by Sony service -- not to mention the power supplies -- how much longer do you really expect these things to last.
The internal wires are brittle and stiff. The drives have many hours on them. My guess: not very long. But then, my family has two CRT televisions in use. One has no input but rf.
post #27642 of 29213
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

There are reports of the TVGOS inserter being able to supply the clock data but not listings. That ends when the inserter is returned to Rovi. Perhaps you can check the source of the correct clock signal.

My guess is that the DHG will get a valid clock if it can receive rf from the same source.

When I unplug the converter the time stamp goes away. The inserter was removed and sent back to Rovi. This is no fluke!!!
post #27643 of 29213
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Originally Posted by BOZOO View Post

When I unplug the converter the time stamp goes away. The inserter was removed and sent back to Rovi. This is no fluke!!!
Maybe the Artec can supply a clock signal. If so, I forsee a price increase. But that's a real stretch. If the Artec can take a PSIP clock and convert it to a TVGOS clock that would be the best kept secret in the known universe.
Edited by JoeKustra - 3/13/13 at 9:47am
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In the FWIW department, the inserter at KCBS Los Angeles is gone. The ATSC slicer screen shows no PID and no activity in the current column. Last clock set was early yesterday morning. So now I get to see how long the DHG remains usable as a 3rd recorder when needed.
post #27645 of 29213
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Originally Posted by Possumgirl View Post

In the FWIW department, the inserter at KCBS Los Angeles is gone. The ATSC slicer screen shows no PID and no activity in the current column. Last clock set was early yesterday morning. So now I get to see how long the DHG remains usable as a 3rd recorder when needed.
You can roll the dice and hope for the best. You can set the zipcode to 00000 and take Mark's advice which is pretty close to perfect. I use one DHG to record Letterman. I did learn that you can't schedule a "daily" program to start on a Saturday. I pulled the plug to get the time close. I still haven't changed the zipcode. Next lockup I will do that.
post #27646 of 29213
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

Maybe the Artec can supply a clock signal. If so, I forsee a price increase. But that's a real stretch.

It is possibel that the clock signal code is used by other products. Maybe Rovi does not own it? I want to try my DTV -PAL converter but i lost the remote. Some on AVL must have a Pioneer TV 5080 or 4280 and a Artec converter that can verify this.

When I first hookup the converter the date was correct but clock was off by 3 hours. The next morning the clock was spot on.
post #27647 of 29213
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Originally Posted by BOZOO View Post


When I first hookup the converter the date was correct but clock was off by 3 hours. The next morning the clock was spot on.

See my update.
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If I set the zip to 00000 will I lose my channel lineup?

I have a cable card with digital channels and HD channels, and the last couple of times I've turned the unit off, the digital channels will not longer tune unless I do a reset on the front panel, so none of my manual recordings will record, because it can't tune the channel.
I was wondering if the 00000 zip would prevent this? I guess the alternative is to leave it on all the time, but I'd rather have it off as I'm away from home several days at a time.

Another issue I have, but not all the time is when I hit the quick replay which I've set for 15 seconds, sometimes it skips back 30 minutes or so. Not sure what's up with that.
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What is the model of the Artec Digital TV Converter Box that you have? Artec T3A, Artec T3AP, Artec T3AP-LL
post #27650 of 29213
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Originally Posted by ACSWIRELESS View Post

What is the model of the Artec Digital TV Converter Box that you have? Artec T3A, Artec T3AP, Artec T3AP-LL

Listed in pervious post T3AP-LL
post #27651 of 29213
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Originally Posted by mossie View Post

If I set the zip to 00000 will I lose my channel lineup?

I have a cable card with digital channels and HD channels, and the last couple of times I've turned the unit off, the digital channels will not longer tune unless I do a reset on the front panel, so none of my manual recordings will record, because it can't tune the channel.
I was wondering if the 00000 zip would prevent this? I guess the alternative is to leave it on all the time, but I'd rather have it off as I'm away from home several days at a time.

Another issue I have, but not all the time is when I hit the quick replay which I've set for 15 seconds, sometimes it skips back 30 minutes or so. Not sure what's up with that.
The channel lineup with a cable card should come from your cable feed. The pink screen error of "not in lineup" is removed by using 1.2.13 firmware.

You have had cable card issues for years. If it's a Motorola M-Card I would ask for a new one.

Turn off? Do you mean remove power since that white button doesn't save much power. You could turn off your water heater and save more in one day than the DHG uses in a year.

Other issues are beyond my personal experience.
Edited by JoeKustra - 3/13/13 at 11:03am
post #27652 of 29213
You know the post above reminds me that I also have a Panasonic DVD recorder DMR-EH50 that uses the TV guide (I rarely use because it will not record HD but just standard def, but its still all hooked up) I noticed that it still has a clock on the front panel. So would I be able to hook the Sony somehow to this Panasonic recorder and get a clock fix?
post #27653 of 29213
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Originally Posted by FanofHD View Post

You know the post above reminds me that I also have a Panasonic DVD recorder DMR-EH50 that uses the TV guide (I rarely use because it will not record HD but just standard def, but its still all hooked up) I noticed that it still has a clock on the front panel. So would I be able to hook the Sony somehow to this Panasonic recorder and get a clock fix?

Yeah, maybe. Did you ever see that movie "The Fly"? biggrin.gif
Edited by WS65711 - 3/13/13 at 1:08pm
post #27654 of 29213
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Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post

Yeah ,maybe. Did you ever see that movie "The Fly"? biggrin.gif
I was thinking Wierd Science.
post #27655 of 29213
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Originally Posted by BOZOO View Post

Listed in pervious post T3AP-LL

I don't believe the -LL model is the one that even converts TVGOS. Only the -T models do that. Are you sure you don't have a -T model? I may have a -LL model at home, but I really doubt that it will work.
post #27656 of 29213
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Originally Posted by FanofHD View Post

You know the post above reminds me that I also have a Panasonic DVD recorder DMR-EH50 that uses the TV guide (I rarely use because it will not record HD but just standard def, but its still all hooked up) I noticed that it still has a clock on the front panel. So would I be able to hook the Sony somehow to this Panasonic recorder and get a clock fix?

The reason it still has a clock is probably because it hasn't locked up or crashed. My DMR-E95H had a correct clock until the DST change, and then I had to reset it in order to be able to set the clock manually.
post #27657 of 29213
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Originally Posted by mabuttra View Post

I don't believe the -LL model is the one that even converts TVGOS. Only the -T models do that. Are you sure you don't have a -T model? I may have a -LL model at home, but I really doubt that it will work.

Looking at the bottom of the box and it is a T3AL-LL.
post #27658 of 29213
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Originally Posted by mabuttra View Post

The reason it still has a clock is probably because it hasn't locked up or crashed. My DMR-E95H had a correct clock until the DST change, and then I had to reset it in order to be able to set the clock manually.

Or it has not had a power failure.

My Pioneer TV was unplugged as I moved it to my bedroom. I then installed the Artec converter and got a clock on TVGOS. In the Guide set-up menu (Search for Time) it said DONE. To confirm it was not a fluke I unplugged the TV, disconnected the Converter and the clock was GONE. The TV has a CableCard on Antenna One and like I said before the Pioneer’s Antenna Two will only receive Analog (built that way) and it will not receive any digital signals. That was confirmed by Pioneer’s support and they told me that I would need a converter box to receive OTA digital.

So now I need some help. I now have the same Converter plugged into my Toshiba LX196 Antenna Two which will receives Analog and Digital. The LX196 when Antenna Two is tuned to channel 3 receives the converted signal, but will not pass the clock signal.

The Pioneer TV passes the clock so there must be a clock signal still out there. One would think with all the posts on AVL about setting the clock on the DHGs, my find would spark more interest?

Right now my Four DHGs are way back in a storage locker. There must be someone with a DHG and a T3AP-LL to test the combo? If not I’m on my way to my storage locker to start digging. Not fun and it’s getting hot now in my part of the country. Help…
post #27659 of 29213
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Originally Posted by BOZOO View Post

Attention, Attention, maybe a clock set fix?

I have a Pioneer TV with TVGOS v9. Antenna two will only receive analog stations, built that way by Pioneer. So in order to view OTA channels I hooked up an Artec T3AP-LL Digital to Analog converter box.

Suprize, Suprize, the next morning TVGOS had the CORRECT TIME & DATE. The Guide still has NO LISTINGS. The search for Time in setup was Green.

I was able to set reminds with accuracy. I tested for 2 days, I could not believe it, TVGOS was getting its time stamp from the converter box, and it’s no fluke …

I’m now trying to make my Toshiba v9 TV do the same, but I’m having no luck programming antenna two to receive the time stamp from the converter. It needs to receive just analog like the Pioneer. I’ve tried to config antenna two from the
TV menu and TVGOS, I have run scans, etc. Antenna two receives all the converted channels when the TV is set to channel 3, but it will not pass the time/date stamp.

I’m going to move on to a DHG, but I help.

I see that you are excited but you left out needed information. Please tell us how your Pioneer is set to receive TVGOS data: What host channel do you have set?

Maybe my confusion will help you provide the information I need: Just wondering how to set my DHG 250 to use this. I have OTA connected to the DHG antenna input. I have an open RF input marked "cable." I can connect the converter to the cable input on the DHG and scan the cable. That would only find the rf channel that the converter is outputting (usually 3 or 4). The Digital to Analog converter must scan the OTA signals so that It can add the channels to its line up. Then I expect that I have to tune the digital to analog converter to the former TVGOS station so the converter is outputting the converted channel on RF channel 3 (or 4).

After that I am at a loss to see how to configure the DHG to receive TVGOS time from the digital to analog converter. Since the TVGOS for my area was provided on KCPT 19.1 (and I lost TVGOS from them in November 2012) do I tune the digital to analog converter to 19.1 and then set the DHG to look for TVGOS time on the cable input on channel 3?

Do I need to enter my zip code? (presently I have it set to 00000).

What is your set up re the above questions?
post #27660 of 29213
Dallas Status:

Inserter still in place and still have correct time.

Do not capture TimeZonePkt; so the next DST date is way wrong.

With inserter in place, I assume putting on the Artec would correct the Next DST date?

I assume without an inserter in place the Artec would be useless?

I don't know...............any ideas.

(I won't take it out of the box unless I have to; this house is too small etc.
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