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post #27901 of 29213
All this talk about the Naked Dancers... What channel? What time? biggrin.gif
post #27902 of 29213
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Originally Posted by HoustonPerson View Post

I know I am not very clear with my typing and explanations; but trying to be more clear.

If they were to put the Naked Latin Dancers on the Motorcycle in a Race, I would watch that one!
I get HDNET so I'll keep an eye out for the Naked Latin Dancers. And you are very clear.

Suggestions on the TiVo are like Stations on Pandora. Even after having it for over two years it still finds tracks to play I dislike. But it's right 99% of the time.

Perhaps the distinction between the two: TiVo puts a "thumbs up" on anything you record. Pandora make you add the "thumbs up" manually.
post #27903 of 29213
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Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post

HP -

Are you hitting the Chocolate Milk again? tongue.gif

Can you take a minute to type up that list of bugs? confused.gif



You are always taxing my brain too much. I could burn out - getting too OLD.

To me there are dozens of bugs. No way for me to make a list – I lazy and forget. But here is one I hit more than once a day!

You are watching a recorded program (or chasing a program); but you wish to stop it and delete it. TiVo will often take you different routes to get there (the sloppy programming); but any time it takes you to the screen that says “Stop recording and delete”…………….more than 90% of the time it does NOT delete the program. I call that one a Bug. You have to come back again to MyShows and delete the program. Surprisingly 10% of the time it will actually deletes the program (add it to the recently deleted list).

Had my two glasses of chocolate milk this AM.
post #27904 of 29213
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

I get HDNET so I'll keep an eye out for the Naked Latin Dancers. And you are very clear.

Suggestions on the TiVo are like Stations on Pandora. Even after having it for over two years it still finds tracks to play I dislike. But it's right 99% of the time.

Perhaps the distinction between the two: TiVo puts a "thumbs up" on anything you record. Pandora make you add the "thumbs up" manually.

Yes using the thumbs up and down cleans up the TiVo suggestions nicely. So far for me it takes it from a 30% success rate to about 65%. I pretty much just let it run on auto pilot.
post #27905 of 29213
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Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post

All this talk about the Naked Dancers... What channel? What time? biggrin.gif

Ok, I looked at the recently deleted history, and one is still left there. I think it has done this about 5 times since I have owned the box. Remember I am OTA only – seems like some FCC rules are being broken? Anyway:

Program Title: “Motorcycle Racing”
Description is not available
Details: Motorcycle Racing, Sports Events, First Aired 1/1/00 (strange date?)
Friday 3/22 6PM
44-1 KLEGCD 1 HR

Trust me there is not a single Motorcycle in the show; just Naked Latin Dancers.

I think the reason TiVo Suggestions is doing this is because we like extreme sports. I guess Naked Latin Dancers could be an extreme sport too?

If I recall correctly the others were recorded around 2AM? On station 44-1
post #27906 of 29213
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Originally Posted by HoustonPerson View Post

Ok, I looked at the recently deleted history, and one is still left there. I think it has done this about 5 times since I have owned the box. Remember I am OTA only – seems like some FCC rules are being broken?
Things are getting better or worse, depending on your perspective:
http://theweek.com/article/index/229690/the-supreme-courts-ruling-on-tv-profanity-the-fallout
post #27907 of 29213
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Originally Posted by teleskier View Post

In all the years of using my DHG for OTA, I have never once had a single audio dropout. I have no idea what you guys are talking about. Must be a cable box thing. My audio has always been dead perfect.

I use digital optical out and have audio dropouts, though infrequent. CableCard and OTA.

No interest in Naked Latin Dancerss here. Sorry.
post #27908 of 29213
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

Things are getting better or worse, depending on your perspective:
http://theweek.com/article/index/229690/the-supreme-courts-ruling-on-tv-profanity-the-fallout

Interesting article seems like the FCC does not know what they are doing. But that is not “news” to anyone. Things are a mess.

Just wish the FCC would give us back the Freedom of RF 2 through 81 and make it all HD. I feel cheated so much RF is gone for the common man.
post #27909 of 29213
Anyone have any contact in the press or media.

I was reading the last few pages and it suddenly occurred to me that we are going out with a whimper. SONY screwed us [some may say ROVI but we bought our expensive DHG's from SONY] and they will suffer no penalty.

You may say, devices become obsolete all the time, what's different here, why should anyone be interested.

But these devices did not become obsolete, they were working fine for their intended purpose. Then they were deliberately murdered.

At the very least SONY should suffer some PR damage. IMHO
post #27910 of 29213
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Originally Posted by HoustonPerson View Post

Ok, I looked at the recently deleted history, and one is still left there. I think it has done this about 5 times since I have owned the box. Remember I am OTA only – seems like some FCC rules are being broken? Anyway:

Program Title: “Motorcycle Racing”
Description is not available
Details: Motorcycle Racing, Sports Events, First Aired 1/1/00 (strange date?)
Friday 3/22 6PM
44-1 KLEGCD 1 HR

Trust me there is not a single Motorcycle in the show; just Naked Latin Dancers.
It's probably bad guide data - either (a) the channel claims it's going to air one thing and it airs something else, or (b) the times of events for that channel are off (due to Pacific vs. Atlantic/Eastern feeds). Report it to TiVo. They'll harass Tribune about getting it fixed, if possible.
post #27911 of 29213
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Originally Posted by Opinionated View Post

At the very least SONY should suffer some PR damage. IMHO

I disagree. For me the DHG was (and is) a good value. I have no desire to "punish" anyone.

Some contributors to this post will see it your way, and others mine. But I think we've all been through this.

So unless someone has anything new to offer, then I'm with Kerry. Time to move on.
post #27912 of 29213
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Originally Posted by mac24 View Post

For me the DHG was (and is) a good value.

I would disagree but would be able to [maybe] understand your point of view if all that was lost was the clock and data.

Then maybe we would have at worst a digital dumb VCR.

But what we have, what I have experienced, is that these things become very unstable- freezing, needing constant re-boots- in the absence of the data. No VCR I ever had behaved that way.
post #27913 of 29213
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Originally Posted by demonfoo View Post

It's probably bad guide data - either (a) the channel claims it's going to air one thing and it airs something else, or (b) the times of events for that channel are off (due to Pacific vs. Atlantic/Eastern feeds). Report it to TiVo. They'll harass Tribune about getting it fixed, if possible.

Very likely correct.

I have noticed occasionally the guide may be wrong in a major way; but then within a few minutes that I notice it, it all corrects it self. So that is a non issue. I think the system is going through some sort of major program (grid) update, like everything is being deleted in the grid and replaced with new data. Seems to only last a few minutes and has never interfered with recordings. It has done that 2 or 3 times since I have owned it.

Very likely Tribune is not able to keep up with all the strange changes on this station 44-1 and its other sub channels make. Once when the Sony set up an analogue version 44.0 just a couple of months back I did a little research on the station. It looks like the owners and the programming is in a constant state of flux.

Speaking of analogue, I noticed the TiVo set up station 50 with program guide data, but it is so weak I do not get it. Neither the 44 series nor the 50 series are important to me, so it is all a non issue. But still the Latin Dancers are shocking.
post #27914 of 29213
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Originally Posted by Opinionated View Post

I would disagree but would be able to [maybe] understand your point of view if all that was lost was the clock and data.

Then maybe we would have at worst a digital dumb VCR.

But what we have, what I have experienced, is that these things become very unstable- freezing, needing constant re-boots- in the absence of the data. No VCR I ever had behaved that way.

That is why I signed on to this thread. Have you reviewed the posts that relate to the problem?

For me, rolling back the firmware to .13 and changing the ZIP code to 00000 has solved the stability issue - at least so far. The Jury is still out, but early indications are positive.

There are other methods opinions on this, and folks willing to help.
post #27915 of 29213
I really do not have any ill will towards Sony. I am disappointed that the box is no longer useful. But overall, it has had better quality and lasted longer than many items I have purchased.

I only hope the TiVo will last as long. The non-transferable lifetime does "stink" and for me could be its biggest negative. But I know that going in. It would be sad to throw away a $500 product in two years, hope it does not happen.
post #27916 of 29213
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Originally Posted by HoustonPerson View Post

Very likely correct.

I have noticed occasionally the guide may be wrong in a major way; but then within a few minutes that I notice it, it all corrects it self. So that is a non issue. I think the system is going through some sort of major program (grid) update, like everything is being deleted in the grid and replaced with new data. Seems to only last a few minutes and has never interfered with recordings. It has done that 2 or 3 times since I have owned it.

Very likely Tribune is not able to keep up with all the strange changes on this station 44-1 and its other sub channels make. Once when the Sony set up an analogue version 44.0 just a couple of months back I did a little research on the station. It looks like the owners and the programming is in a constant state of flux.

Speaking of analogue, I noticed the TiVo set up station 50 with program guide data, but it is so weak I do not get it. Neither the 44 series nor the 50 series are important to me, so it is all a non issue. But still the Latin Dancers are shocking.
I often wonder how it all works. I can go to Zap2It.com and compare the guide data for a future day and find it 90% more accurate than the TiVo or tvguide.com guide. Zap2It uses TMS and can even link to the TiVo. I guess it all boils down to a blame game. The TVGOS guide was not too bad since it was only 8 days. Zap2it and TitanTV, going out 14 days, have a higher risk of error. TiVo is closer to a crap shoot for some reason. Right now I'm trying to setup a SP for Doctor Who and keep getting a conflict. Perhaps it is because Saturday and Thursday have the same description and are both marked as new? I don't know.
post #27917 of 29213
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Originally Posted by HoustonPerson View Post

I really do not have any ill will towards Sony. I am disappointed that the box is no longer useful. But overall, it has had better quality and lasted longer than many items I have purchased.
So true. It's the only item I have to look at with a brushed aluminum faceplate.
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post #27919 of 29213
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Originally Posted by Opinionated View Post

But what we have, what I have experienced, is that these things become very unstable- freezing, needing constant re-boots- in the absence of the data. No VCR I ever had behaved that way.

I had a booting problem a couple of weeks after Rovi pulled out. But after a major reset, my DHG actually became more stable than it ever was before. I think there are many factors affecting the stability of these, but the earlier firmware, TVGOS resets, and stopping the host search seems to have simplified everything.

- Kerry
post #27920 of 29213
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

So true. It's the only item I have to look at with a brushed aluminum faceplate.

I know you are being facetious, but I like the look. If I get a Premiere, I might need to stick the Sony faceplate in front of it... or move the guts into an early Series 3 case, which looks similar to the DHG. smile.gif

- Kerry
post #27921 of 29213
Thanks for the clarification on the Tivo operations.

Suggestions seem like a powerful idea - like Netflix suggestions - which could cut either way in real practice. Good - hey it caught a show it turns out I did like. Or bad - now I'm front of the TV even longer checking all the shows because I 'might' like one of them. With power comes responsibility! smile.gif

And HoustonPerson - I found you very clear as well - and appreciate your posts.
post #27922 of 29213
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Originally Posted by KerryNY View Post

I know you are being facetious, but I like the look. If I get a Premiere, I might need to stick the Sony faceplate in front of it... or move the guts into an early Series 3 case, which looks similar to the DHG. smile.gif

- Kerry
Sorry, but I was being honest. I once thought of painting the front flat black. I have flat black covers over my router and DSL & cable modems. LED option to turn off the TiVo front panel is ON. If I want to see pretty lights it should be an option. Now, if everything was silver I could live with it. I know it's a personal preference. I just dislike distractions. Maybe I worked around blinking lights too long. Maybe I need therapy.
post #27923 of 29213
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

LED option to turn off the TiVo front panel is ON. If I want to see pretty lights it should be an option. Now, if everything was silver I could live with it. I know it's a personal preference. I just dislike distractions. Maybe I worked around blinking lights too long. Maybe I need therapy.

I don't like distractions in my field of view either. If my DHG had a blinking "12:00" now (rather than the --:--), I would stick a piece of electrical tape over it. Like I did for the huge power indicator on my LG TV. But the silver color of the Sony disappears at night, because my TV is a few inches in front of the stack of video sources.

- Kerry
post #27924 of 29213
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Originally Posted by HoustonPerson View Post


I only hope the TiVo will last as long. The non-transferable lifetime does "stink" and for me could be its biggest negative. But I know that going in. It would be sad to throw away a $500 product in two years, hope it does not happen.

When you say "non-transferable" do you mean that you can't transfer the lifetime service to another unit?

I know that's the case and I understand it. But if your TiVo needs repair - even if it's a hard drive and you upgrade to more capacity - then I believe the lifetime service will remain in force. I've also heard that TiVo is pretty strong in this area (fast turnaround and reasonable repair costs) but I don't have actual experience.

The Tivo I bought on eBay was a lifetime unit, and I had no problem transferring the account. All they care about was the serial number and the lifetime service fee had been paid.
post #27925 of 29213
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Originally Posted by mac24 View Post

When you say "non-transferable" do you mean that you can't transfer the lifetime service to another unit?

I know that's the case and I understand it. But if your TiVo needs repair - even if it's a hard drive and you upgrade to more capacity - then I believe the lifetime service will remain in force. I've also heard that TiVo is pretty strong in this area (fast turnaround and reasonable repair costs) but I don't have actual experience.

The Tivo I bought on eBay was a lifetime unit, and I had no problem transferring the account. All they care about was the serial number and the lifetime service fee had been paid.
There is a TiVo Premiere thread. We don't want the thread guards on us.
post #27926 of 29213
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Originally Posted by WaltA View Post

It was told that the DTVPal CECB's, instead of creating their own program guide like the other CECB's, used the PSIP data to create their own TVGOS formatted data and put such into the VBI of their output. Kind of acting like their own private inserter, just using PSIP instead of Rovi sourced data.
 

 

I don't know who that was told by, but it's not quite accurate.

 

The Pal CECB's own, built-in guide is made up of PSIP data, but it doesn't pass that same information along to an outside device. If it did, half the channels would say "No Information", and they wouldn't have 7 days worth of info like they do.

 

As it is, it just converts the existing, digital OTA TVGOS signal/data to an analog form so the older recorders can use it.

 

The PalDVR does the same thing as the CECB in "TVGOS mode". When they're put in that mode, every other function of the tuner (or DVR) shuts down.


Edited by Rammitinski - 3/27/13 at 12:27pm
post #27927 of 29213
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Originally Posted by Rammitinski View Post

[...]
The Pal CECB's own, built-in guide is made up of PSIP data, but it doesn't pass that same information along to an outside device. If it did, half the channels would say "No Information", and they wouldn't have 7 days worth of info like they do.

As it is, it just converts the existing, digital OTA TVGOS signal/data to an analog form so the older recorders can use it.
[...]

To be clear, the converters didn't actually use the same TVG1 data that the Sony, and other devices used. There was a completely separate PID that carried the legacy analog data in a digital form for those converters to use.
post #27928 of 29213
There was a brief power outage a few days ago, so the DHG clock is about 32 minutes slow. There have been no lockups, with the original zipcode and all of the updates still in place. It is only OTA.

In the 753... menu, Section Serial-Comm shows updates to Tx Num Pkts and Tx Num Bytes every second. It also lists Baud 115K, Comm Port 1, Alt Port 2 (this is the USB port?) The next section over, Phone Comm/G-Link Modem, has entries for dialing etc. Apparently it's still trying to call out to a dial up connection. I don't suppose anyone has tried a dial up usb modem for linux just to see what happens?

Anyway, despite the clumsiness of timed recording, the DHG remains completely usable for my purposes. My other "old" Sony equipement--turntable, tapedeck, VCR, etc.,--welcome it to the retired oldies but goodies hall of fame. Eventually I'll unplug it to spare the hard drive full of favorite musical variety shows (from Beatles on Ed Sullivan to Lady Gaga on SNL). I think I have reached the acceptance phase. Thanks to everyone for all their posts over the years.
post #27929 of 29213
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Originally Posted by cablenest View Post

There was a brief power outage a few days ago, so the DHG clock is about 32 minutes slow. There have been no lockups, with the original zipcode and all of the updates still in place. It is only OTA.

In the 753... menu, Section Serial-Comm shows updates to Tx Num Pkts and Tx Num Bytes every second. It also lists Baud 115K, Comm Port 1, Alt Port 2 (this is the USB port?) The next section over, Phone Comm/G-Link Modem, has entries for dialing etc. Apparently it's still trying to call out to a dial up connection. I don't suppose anyone has tried a dial up usb modem for linux just to see what happens?

Anyway, despite the clumsiness of timed recording, the DHG remains completely usable for my purposes. My other "old" Sony equipement--turntable, tapedeck, VCR, etc.,--welcome it to the retired oldies but goodies hall of fame. Eventually I'll unplug it to spare the hard drive full of favorite musical variety shows (from Beatles on Ed Sullivan to Lady Gaga on SNL). I think I have reached the acceptance phase. Thanks to everyone for all their posts over the years.
It usually takes about three weeks before the DHG gets mad and does its lockup to protest. That will need another power cycle and your clock should be off again. When unplugged the clock does not change.

There is a thread on the DHG hardware that describes the serial port. No one has tried to connect a terminal or modem to the port.
post #27930 of 29213
Well the DHG recorded just fine last night. The only reason it did, is because we have not lost power. The clock still matches both the cells phones and the TiVo.

The last clock set I got was last Sunday evening and the PID was gone Monday morning.

Basically, all screens show zero data being received. The only thing active in the box is its memory sections as it searches hopelessly for a PID somewhere on planet earth.

No reason to spend time programming the new remote to the DHG (the one I got for TiVo) since it is now a dead product. Still have the new and virtually untouched original Sony Remote and the cardboard box for the DHG is still new too. LOL

The last hooray is close at hand!
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