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post #28231 of 29213
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

DAT would have killed the CD but Hollywood freaked out. I was doing backups to DAT on my last two jobs. Maybe Sony will make a DAT based DVR since TiVo can't sue over that. Or maybe they can.

I was very upset about the delayed release of DAT, with all the copy-protection concerns. I was not quite upset when my DAT deck became obsolete so quickly with the arrival of CD-R for PCs, however. Blank CDs were instantly much cheaper than DAT tapes, and we can 1-to-1 copy infinitely. My DAT deck from 1990 still looks brand new.

- Kerry
post #28232 of 29213
Update:

Ok, when I did the front panel reset a couple of days ago, and it set the front panel clock and info screens to the time of lock up (about 1 hour and 25 min earlier); the [3] is now at [2], the reset error page shows the 7000 reset of 0x0 with a date of 1/1/90, even though the TVGOS screens show todays date of 4/20/2013.

Obviously it is dead with that [2]

So far I have tried "two" different channels to see if it captures any different data. There has been a slight difference from 4-1 and 11-1, but nothing that yields a clock LOL
post #28233 of 29213
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Originally Posted by HoustonPerson View Post

Update:

Ok, when I did the front panel reset a couple of days ago, and it set the front panel clock and info screens to the time of lock up (about 1 hour and 25 min earlier); the [3] is now at [2], the reset error page shows the 7000 reset of 0x0 with a date of 1/1/90, even though the TVGOS screens show todays date of 4/20/2013.

Obviously it is dead with that [2]

So far I have tried "two" different channels to see if it captures any different data. There has been a slight difference from 4-1 and 11-1, but nothing that yields a clock LOL

Very normal. All the FP resets will make that log entry. I would do another FP reset, check the clock, do another FP reset and not hit the white button until you get to an even number behind. If you're off by 1hr 25min I would wait 35 (or is it 25?) minutes. But that's just me liking even numbers. At least the date will be right. My time is right but the date is March 23.

post #28234 of 29213
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Originally Posted by HoustonPerson View Post


Obviously it is dead with that [2]

You'll never see a [3] again because the inserter is no longer there. You're not going to get different results no matter what channel you tune. rolleyes.gif

If it were me I wouldn't do any resets. One hour 25 minutes is easy to work with. Besides, you've said you're having electrical work done so if the DHG loses power, or does another lock-up, the time will change again. The UTC date will stay correct until there is some sort of major reset that wipes it out.
post #28235 of 29213
All very true.

Because of all the electrical work being done, I will just leave it alone for now.

I can almost cope with the 1.5 hours off LOL
post #28236 of 29213
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Originally Posted by izzy900 View Post

Out of my Cold Dead Hands! (DHG-HDD250).....rolleyes.gif
I had the Zero 100 while in the Air Force, Sony Reel to Reel, Sansui Speakers, Pioneer Amp, bringing back memories from years back...rolleyes.gif Product names are vague to me now except for the Gerrard....smile.gif

I'm with you there. I remember a Teac reel-to-reel, Dual turntable, and a few others - but those model numbers are all forgotten now.

I think I'll remember DHG-HDD250 for a while though, even if the box ends up recycled.
post #28237 of 29213
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Originally Posted by mac24 View Post

I'm with you there. I remember a Teac reel-to-reel, Dual turntable, and a few others - but those model numbers are all forgotten now.

I think I'll remember DHG-HDD250 for a while though, even if the box ends up recycled.

I have typed "DHG" so many times in the past few months, I think I'll remember that, too. I've got a Teac/Tascam 8 channel reel-to-reel in the basement that has not been used since I copied all the tracks to my computer in 2000. Maybe I should just make a shrine with all my obsolete (but still operable) equipment?...

- Kerry
post #28238 of 29213
My DHG250 reset itself several times this year, each time the clock went backward. It's now off by about 17 hours+. Instead of trying to calculate timers, I just wait until an hour before I want to record, look at the time on the info screen, and adjust accordingly. It's been inconvenient, but it works. As far as having a "shrine" goes, I still have my Tascam 16 track open reel and a Sony open reel deck from the 70's. Not to mention a 1979 Technics turntable, a 1990's Sony MiniDisc recorder, a Walkman, cassette decks and Pioneer receivers. Four computers with operating systems ranging from Windows ME to Windows 7. I don't "give up" on ancient technology if it still works. Oh wait, I forgot to mention my 9 DVD recorders, two DTVPal DVR's
and an LG LST-3410A. rolleyes.gif
post #28239 of 29213
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Originally Posted by KerryNY View Post

I have typed "DHG" so many times in the past few months, I think I'll remember that, too. I've got a Teac/Tascam 8 channel reel-to-reel in the basement that has not been used since I copied all the tracks to my computer in 2000. Maybe I should just make a shrine with all my obsolete (but still operable) equipment?...

- Kerry

If you have a spot, then I'd say go for it.

The Midlife Crisis Room (ok, not really fair, it's really the guest room/office) has the Sansui, TX-9500II Tuner, HK St-7, Nakamichi, and Bozak speakers. The Teac and Dual (as well as countless other components) were sold off years ago. What remains are the favorites. The cassette and turntable are rarely used but can be fun to demo to young kids (they're fascinated). If we're working then we listen to FM. It still sounds good but can't compare to 5.1.

The DHG has earned a spot but there's no TV in the room so not much point in that.

If you like the Marantz enough to send us a picture, then why not enjoy it in a way that goes beyond nostalgia?
Edited by mac24 - 4/21/13 at 9:43am
post #28240 of 29213
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Originally Posted by KerryNY View Post

I was very upset about the delayed release of DAT, with all the copy-protection concerns. I was not quite upset when my DAT deck became obsolete so quickly with the arrival of CD-R for PCs, however. Blank CDs were instantly much cheaper than DAT tapes, and we can 1-to-1 copy infinitely. My DAT deck from 1990 still looks brand new.

- Kerry

I remember when DAT came out. Since it was delivered "crippled", the only uptake it had was in professional use, rendering it "niche". This was also just before computers and broadband, so they were still thinking "home taping kills music smile.gif"

This was like the first attempt to make a "play once" DVD. The name escapes me, but they stayed on shelves at big boxes and were returned en masse.

DRM only works when there is "no choice", like with the current DVR situation. The HDMI plug is all about DRM, the alternative was the fear that the DVI would become prominent, like the RCA jack, and "we" could "share". I'm still amazed that the content folks got the hardware folks on board with this universal DRM plug, but I guess my experience here should teach me better.

Oh, and I read the Terms of Service for my cable boxes. They also track what channels you watch, how long, and how often you access the interactive guide. That last one was a surprise.
post #28241 of 29213
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Originally Posted by joecass View Post

My DHG250 reset itself several times this year, each time the clock went backward. It's now off by about 17 hours+. Instead of trying to calculate timers, I just wait until an hour before I want to record, look at the time on the info screen, and adjust accordingly. It's been inconvenient, but it works.

Since you don't like using the calculators, it sounds like you are a good candidate for using FP resets to get the set the correct time (but the wrong day), or using major resets to get the date back to 1/1/04.

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I still have my Tascam 16 track open reel and a Sony open reel deck from the 70's.

Are you still recording/mixing music?

- Kerry
post #28242 of 29213
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Originally Posted by mac24 View Post

If you like the Marantz enough to send us a picture, then why not enjoy it in a way that goes beyond nostalgia?

The Marantz has break on the printed circuit board, so one channel is usually dead. That was actually a downloaded photo of my model; mine shows quite a bit more wear from the college years. But I occasionally think about getting fixed up.

- Kerry
post #28243 of 29213
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Originally Posted by KerryNY View Post

I have typed "DHG" so many times in the past few months, I think I'll remember that, too. I've got a Teac/Tascam 8 channel reel-to-reel in the basement that has not been used since I copied all the tracks to my computer in 2000. Maybe I should just make a shrine with all my obsolete (but still operable) equipment?...

- Kerry

Back in the day, I worked at a stereo store. A reel to reel, playing through a tube amp (or early mos-fet), and using klipsch horn speakers, was great. This hasn't gotten better to this day. You can now carry all your music in your pocket, but it is played back through a clock radio quality system in most cases........
post #28244 of 29213
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Originally Posted by speedlaw View Post

Oh, and I read the Terms of Service for my cable boxes. They also track what channels you watch, how long, and how often you access the interactive guide. That last one was a surprise.

Speculation: perhaps the cable company may pay depending on use of the guide, or they may want to know if it's worth what they are paying. My DTA shows on my cable bill as a $1.95 monthly charge just above the $1.95 monthly credit since the box is "free" for now. It still sits in its unopened box after four years. I imagine there is some accounting tricks being done. Life in the A/V world is often a big surprise.

 

If someone had told me that cable companies would publish their clear QAM channels I would have never believed it a few years ago. I guess the cable industry was also surprised when TV companies kept making QAM tuners.

post #28245 of 29213
I haven't really been following the thread much since I sold my two Sonys, but I was just curious, whats the latest on this, is there going to be a fix, or is TVGOS totally dead?
post #28246 of 29213
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Originally Posted by TheRatPatrol View Post

I haven't really been following the thread much since I sold my two Sonys, but I was just curious, whats the latest on this, is there going to be a fix, or is TVGOS totally dead?

 

TVGOS from Rovi is dead as of a month ago. There may be an inserter still connected giving a clock signal. Most posts since the start of 2013 have been about how to get a usable clock for manual recording.

post #28247 of 29213
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Originally Posted by speedlaw View Post

Back in the day, I worked at a stereo store. A reel to reel, playing through a tube amp (or early mos-fet), and using klipsch horn speakers, was great. This hasn't gotten better to this day. You can now carry all your music in your pocket, but it is played back through a clock radio quality system in most cases........

Me too, Speedlaw. Worked at Tech Hi-Fi in New Haven, Connecticut in the early 80's. Used to demo the efficiency of the Klipchorns by hooking up a Walkman to them. Those were the days..
post #28248 of 29213
US Stereo in Paramus, NJ. Ruined me for life as far as good, not loud, sound reproduction goes. I don't think there is a single "stereo" or "audio" store left on that strip....no, I don't count big box stores, even the high end stuff at WorstBuy is junk.
post #28249 of 29213
I'm sorry if this thread digression over to high-end / nostalgic audio bothers anyone. I feel like it's my fault. But obviously, many AV enthusiasts here are multifaceted. wink.gif

Mindful of the thread's title, however, I will contribute an update of my DHG status: My latest trouble-free streak ended at 25 days. Although the machine did not crash or reboot itself, the tuner stopped working, so I had to use a FP reset. The clock is an even hour behind now, but I will probably reset to 1/1/04 on Wednesday night anyway. I just like the clock being spot-on. smile.gif

- Kerry
post #28250 of 29213
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Originally Posted by KerryNY View Post

I'm sorry if this thread digression over to high-end / nostalgic audio bothers anyone. I feel like it's my fault. But obviously, many AV enthusiasts here are multifaceted. wink.gif

Mindful of the thread's title, however, I will contribute an update of my DHG status: My latest trouble-free streak ended at 25 days. Although the machine did not crash or reboot itself, the tuner stopped working, so I had to use a FP reset. The clock is an even hour behind now, but I will probably reset to 1/1/04 on Wednesday night anyway. I just like the clock being spot-on. smile.gif

- Kerry

My testing unit also decided to crap out this morning. It was 20 days and it wasn't doing much. I hit the remote and only saw the frequency. FP reset was dead, clock stopped, and no video. Power cycle was needed. I always have hated Mondays.

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GETTING CORRECT CLOCK TIME

I have 2 hdd250s. One is off most of the time. The other is on all the time. The one that is on all the time has the correct time and date. When I plugged in the one that is off all the time, after April 1, 2013, the clock was incorrect. I researched and found this site which recommended several options, none which are perfect and none which set the correct time and date.



The procedure I used was just plug the unit into power wait until it competes post then press the power on button which brings up 00:00 as time and in a few minutes displays the last known time the dvr has saved, which of course is the incorrect time.

What I discovered yesterday was instead of pressing the power on button on the front panel after the unit is plugged into power and it resets, do nothing. Wait 5 hrs. My clock magically appeared with correct time and date. I did this twice over 2 days, but times it worked.



Please try this and post a response.


post #28252 of 29213
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Originally Posted by KARCHIN View Post

GETTING CORRECT CLOCK TIME

I have 2 hdd250s. One is off most of the time. The other is on all the time. The one that is on all the time has the correct time and date. When I plugged in the one that is off all the time, after April 1, 2013, the clock was incorrect. I researched and found this site which recommended several options, none which are perfect and none which set the correct time and date.


Please try this and post a response.


Where are you located (zipcode is enough) and what is your clock set channel?

post #28253 of 29213
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Originally Posted by KARCHIN View Post

GETTING CORRECT CLOCK TIME

I have 2 hdd250s. One is off most of the time. The other is on all the time. The one that is on all the time has the correct time and date. When I plugged in the one that is off all the time, after April 1, 2013, the clock was incorrect. I researched and found this site which recommended several options, none which are perfect and none which set the correct time and date.



The procedure I used was just plug the unit into power wait until it competes post then press the power on button which brings up 00:00 as time and in a few minutes displays the last known time the dvr has saved, which of course is the incorrect time.

What I discovered yesterday was instead of pressing the power on button on the front panel after the unit is plugged into power and it resets, do nothing. Wait 5 hrs. My clock magically appeared with correct time and date. I did this twice over 2 days, but times it worked.



Please try this and post a response.



I believe you're the one from the Sony Community site and are located in San Diego.

Your DHG is receiving a time signal from an inserter still located at a broadcast location. In theory Rovi has collected all of these by now but in your case obviously not.

Speculation is that the signal is coming from Mexico. Consider yourself lucky. The rest of us have nothing.
post #28254 of 29213
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Originally Posted by KARCHIN View Post

GETTING CORRECT CLOCK TIME

I have 2 hdd250s. One is off most of the time. The other is on all the time. The one that is on all the time has the correct time and date. When I plugged in the one that is off all the time, after April 1, 2013, the clock was incorrect. I researched and found this site which recommended several options, none which are perfect and none which set the correct time and date.



The procedure I used was just plug the unit into power wait until it competes post then press the power on button which brings up 00:00 as time and in a few minutes displays the last known time the dvr has saved, which of course is the incorrect time.

What I discovered yesterday was instead of pressing the power on button on the front panel after the unit is plugged into power and it resets, do nothing. Wait 5 hrs. My clock magically appeared with correct time and date. I did this twice over 2 days, but times it worked.



Please try this and post a response.



KARCHIN - I have tried your method on my DHG -HDD250 which still has firmware V1.02.21, with no CableCARD. I left the DHG off for over 12 hours and I lost an additional hour from the last reset. The clock is now 19 hours slow! With this amount of change, it makes it very difficult to schedule a program. mad.gif

Have you seen this post? http://www.avsforum.com/t/537711/sony-dhg-hdd250-500-official-thread/28170#post_23214638

It's just a theory...
post #28255 of 29213
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Originally Posted by slotkar View Post


KARCHIN - I have tried your method on my DHG -HDD250 which still has firmware V1.02.21, with no CableCARD. I left the DHG off for over 12 hours and I lost an additional hour from the last reset. The clock is now 19 hours slow! With this amount of change, it makes it very difficult to schedule a program. mad.gif

Have you seen this post? http://www.avsforum.com/t/537711/sony-dhg-hdd250-500-official-thread/28170#post_23214638

It's just a theory...

If you follow one of the posted clock set methods on this thread you can get the time right. Unless you have a time machine the date will never be correct again.

post #28256 of 29213
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Originally Posted by slotkar View Post

The clock is now 19 hours slow! With this amount of change, it makes it very difficult to schedule a program. mad.gif

First, some questions:

  1. Do you still program your recording schedule through the grid? (where it repeats "no listing" many times)
  2. Is that grid important to you, or would you be happier trading it for having the correct time on the DHG clock?
  3. Would you mind if the front panel clock was gone? If you had the correct day-of-the-week, but the wrong year?


If you don't mind losing the grid and FP clock, you do not need to suffer with a DHG guide clock that is 19 hours behind. It might be time for you to use the big resets. You just need to decide what is more important to you.

- Kerry
post #28257 of 29213
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

If you follow one of the posted clock set methods on this thread you can get the time right. Unless you have a time machine the date will never be correct again.
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Originally Posted by KerryNY View Post

First, some questions:

  1. Do you still program your recording schedule through the grid? (where it repeats "no listing" many times)
  2. Is that grid important to you, or would you be happier trading it for having the correct time on the DHG clock?
  3. Would you mind if the front panel clock was gone? If you had the correct day-of-the-week, but the wrong year?


If you don't mind losing the grid and FP clock, you do not need to suffer with a DHG guide clock that is 19 hours behind. It might be time for you to use the big resets. You just need to decide what is more important to you.

- Kerry

I've been following this thread for 5 years and I'm well aware of the big reset and all of the other methods of getting the DHG to schedule a recording with an incorrect clock (day/time). I was explaining to KARCHIN what happened when I followed his procedure with one of my DHG's.

Response to KerryNY -
1. No - Hardly ever used the grid, it was not foolproof.
2. No - The grid is not important.
3. No - I would rather have the FP clock, but the correct DOW is very important for convenience. My other DHG has the correct DOW but not the year.
post #28258 of 29213
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Originally Posted by slotkar View Post



I've been following this thread for 5 years and I'm well aware of the big reset and all of the other methods of getting the DHG to schedule a recording with an incorrect clock (day/time). I was explaining to KARCHIN what happened when I followed his procedure with one of my DHG's.

Response to KerryNY -
1. No - Hardly ever used the grid, it was not foolproof.
2. No - The grid is not important.
3. No - I would rather have the FP clock, but the correct DOW is very important for convenience. My other DHG has the correct DOW but not the year.

Sorry, I thought you were complaining about time that was 19 hours slow.

post #28259 of 29213
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Originally Posted by KerryNY View Post

Since you don't like using the calculators, it sounds like you are a good candidate for using FP resets to get the set the correct time (but the wrong day), or using major resets to get the date back to 1/1/04.
Are you still recording/mixing music?

- Kerry

Yes, every year or two I record a song at home. The Tascam sees little use since I switched to digital , it's mainly for playing old recordings from 20 yrs ago.
I decided I'm not going to unplug or reset the Sony DHG, as long as it still functions I'd rather leave it as is....
post #28260 of 29213
Hi all, long time lurker here.

I never had any contributions to make until now. Today I have an insight on the problem that some have called "twin recordings" - two different recordings made at the exact same time and date as a result of resetting the DHG between recordings, or perhaps from using a tape to set the DHG's clock between the two recordings.

The DHG appears to use a recording's (starting time) timestamp to track where the recording is stored. This can be seen by looking at the second sub-screen under the 753159852 "Section Recording-Recordings Summary" screen: "Section Recording-Recordings Detail" where each recording is listed with a "Path" of 10 digits. The 10 digits represent the "Unix time" when the recording started and is probably an index into a table containing information on where each recording and its meta data are stored on disk. So, for a fully functioning DHG with TVGOS data, each recording would normally have a unique path identifier.

I noticed the Path information while trying to determine if the DHG, like most Unix systems, uses "Unix time" for internal purposes. The recordings Path/timestamps seems to verify that it does.

An aside:
This is not consistent with mabuttra's report that the TVGOS time packets are based on seconds since 00:00:00 1/1/2001 - a reference date (or epoch) sometimes used in Mac systems. It must be that somewhere in the software the TVGOS time packet data is converted to the usual Unix epoch.

For those who do not know:
"Unix time" is the number of elapsed seconds since 00:00:00 1/1/1970 UTC. UTC, Coordinated Universal Time, is based on zero degrees longitude (which passes through Greenwich) and is the modern equivalent of GMT. UTC time can be converted to local time by applying an offset to adjust for the local time zone and daylight/standard time - the offset found in the 753159852 "Section Other-Clocks 1" screen. There are converters on the web to translate Unix time to conventional hours/minutes/seconds/date times.

For a DHG functioning without TVGOS data and which has had a reset that moved the internal clock back in time, it is possible to make a recording that has the same path/timestamp as an already existing recording. The DHG software surely was not built to handle two recordings with identical path identifiers and will have unpredictable behavior in such cases. It would be wise to avoid any such possibility. (I would be concerned about possibly corrupting the disk, or maybe ending up with recordings on disk taking up space that can not be deleted because their path identifier was hijacked by another recording.) If it is necessary to make a recording that will have the same starting time and date as a recording that already exists, the problem might be avoided by changing the starting time by one minute.

This extra effort to avoid recordings with duplicate timestamps is just one more reason why Sony's Recording Time app is an inadequate solution and why a true clock-set capability is required. I will have more to say about that in my next post.
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