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post #28291 of 29213
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Originally Posted by keyboard21 View Post

Interesting. So it still has manual recordings? So clock is still working?

How is the guide working without Tvgos?

The DHG has always allowed manual recordings. The clock runs, but isn't sync'd to anything. A power outage throws the clock off up to an hour, and you have to either offset all your recordings by that amount, or use tricks to make the time appear to be correct. If you are interested you can go back and read the other posts here about all the games that can be played to make the DHG somewhat usable. There is no guide any more so obviously it does not work. Some people still have a grid, made of 30 minute blocks of 'No Listing'. Others have reset their DHGS, and gotten rid of the useless grid.
post #28292 of 29213
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Originally Posted by Jed1 View Post

On top of this most states have already passed or will soon pass electronic recycling laws forbidding you of disposing any electronics in a landfill so you better consider what you will do with all the now worthless and soon to be worthless electronic devices you have as there will be fees required to get rid of all this stuff. This became law of the land in January of this year in Pennsylvania.

I've been thinking of sending my two 'door stops' to Sony and then the disposal problem is theirs. cool.gif
post #28293 of 29213
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Originally Posted by Jed1 View Post

On top of this most states have already passed or will soon pass electronic recycling laws forbidding you of disposing any electronics in a landfill so you better consider what you will do with all the now worthless and soon to be worthless electronic devices you have as there will be fees required to get rid of all this stuff. This became law of the land in January of this year in Pennsylvania.

Calif. has had an E-waste recycling law for about 7 years now. You don't pay a fee when you get rid of stuff but you pay a fee when you BUY CE items. In L.A. County there are "roundups" held at various locations all year long. These are usually combined with household hazardous waste so you can drop off your old paint and dead DHGs at the same time. biggrin.gif
post #28294 of 29213
I hear a lot technical lingo on this thread that, quite frankly I don't understand, and that has little or no effect on getting this machine to work as it was intended and guaranteed by the manufacturer. Does anyone know if there's been any legal work or governmental efforts either by contacting legislators, FCC or FTC? After looking at the original documents, I still haven't seen any legal out for Sony or the purchasing company of TVGOS (Rovi) for obligations to existing clients of products and services. Normally, you can't just leave millions of customers in the lurch for existing working products that rely on third party services such as this. Just curious if anyone has made any effort on this front?
post #28295 of 29213
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Originally Posted by leoman View Post

I hear a lot technical lingo on this thread that, quite frankly I don't understand, and that has little or no effect on getting this machine to work as it was intended and guaranteed by the manufacturer. Does anyone know if there's been any legal work or governmental efforts either by contacting legislators, FCC or FTC? After looking at the original documents, I still haven't seen any legal out for Sony or the purchasing company of TVGOS (Rovi) for obligations to existing clients of products and services. Normally, you can't just leave millions of customers in the lurch for existing working products that rely on third party services such as this. Just curious if anyone has made any effort on this front?

That's about two orders of magnitude high for the DHG. But the new normal is a moving target. The efforts & posts of those who feel Sony or Rovi owes them something has produced an app for the android, but I could be wrong about that.

post #28296 of 29213
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Originally Posted by leoman View Post

I hear a lot technical lingo on this thread that, quite frankly I don't understand, and that has little or no effect on getting this machine to work as it was intended and guaranteed by the manufacturer. Does anyone know if there's been any legal work or governmental efforts either by contacting legislators, FCC or FTC?

That's the point: there were no guarantees. Documentation for such devices as this one contains disclaimers saying that TVGoS service may not be available in all markets. No CE manufacturer is dumb enough to make blanket statements of guaranteed functionality that will make them legally obligated to provide a service indefinitely. In short, neither Sony nor Rovi owes anybody anything, and DHG owners have no legal recourse to offset the DHG being turned into a brick by the loss of guide data.
post #28297 of 29213
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Originally Posted by Jed1 View Post

I just want to comment on some recent posts. Second, those of you that are on cable, the move to MPEG 4 QAM 256 streams have already started by some big cable providers, so any device that is cable ready with an in the clear QAM tuner will cease to funtion as none of them have the ability to decode an MPEG 4 QAM 256 stream..

There are some Tv's that will decode a MPEG4 QAM stream. Certain Vizio's for one, as I personally know people who have those sets. However, with the recent FCC ruling allowing encryption of local channels on cable, clear QAM's will soon cease to exist regardless of MPEG 2/4...
post #28298 of 29213

MPEG-4 NOW! I hear it will be done before the end of the year.

 

http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/20/by-the-end-of-2009-mpeg-4-will-take-over-cable-too/

post #28299 of 29213
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Originally Posted by Possumgirl View Post

Calif. has had an E-waste recycling law for about 7 years now. You don't pay a fee when you get rid of stuff but you pay a fee when you BUY CE items. In L.A. County there are "roundups" held at various locations all year long. These are usually combined with household hazardous waste so you can drop off your old paint and dead DHGs at the same time. biggrin.gif

Believe it or not, Los Angles is the destination for most recycling in the United States. The containers filled with recyclables goes to the docks in Long Beach and is loaded onto outgoing vessels destined for communist China. In fact recycables is the number 1 export in the US. The problem is that China's economy is not recovering from the global meltdown and they are taking less and less recyclables each year. Almost all the electronics that are recycled in the US are sent to China to be broken apart by hand and then melted down in open air smelters to gather the trace amount of precious metals. Its turning into a huge enviromental mess. If China stops taking electronics then most americans will have nowhere to dispose of these unwnated devices, so just like tires, the roadsides in rural america will be littered with the unwanted devices.
post #28300 of 29213
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There are some Tv's that will decode a MPEG4 QAM stream. Certain Vizio's for one, as I personally know people who have those sets. However, with the recent FCC ruling allowing encryption of local channels on cable, clear QAM's will soon cease to exist regardless of MPEG 2/4...

You also have to consider that most broadcasters are now charging retransmission fees to the cable operators so the channels really are not free to cable subscribers. In my cable system we are paying almost 4 dollars a month per subscriber for the local broadcast channels. WNEP is about the third most expensive channel in my system behind ESPN and TNT. There is going to be a special line item on my June bill to show the some of the cost for the local channels. Since the Dish and Direct subscribers pay extra for the locals and their lineups are totally encrypted I do not see why cable companies can not do this as they are also privately owned closed loop systems. It is the corporations who now own most of the broadcast stations that decided to waive must carry for retrans agreements so I blame them for all this nonsense. In fact most of the cable and satellite channels and studios are now owned by about 6 large corporations and its these 6 corporations that are driving the costs higher and higher and also dicatating the rules on what can be done with the content that they own.
post #28301 of 29213
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

MPEG-4 NOW! I hear it will be done before the end of the year.

http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/20/by-the-end-of-2009-mpeg-4-will-take-over-cable-too/

I think they were a little early on that prediction but 2008-2009 was when Motorola and Cisco released the first cable set top boxes that had MPEG 4 and 1GHz tuning capabilities. The Motorola DCX 3400 has the MPEG 4 capabilities, the DCHs and DCTs do not and will have to be replaced when they start. I know Cox, Verizon Fios, and now Comcast has started the change over to MPEG 4. All the feeds coming into our cable system from all the sources, except the local broadcast channels, are now in MPEG 4.
post #28302 of 29213
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Originally Posted by Jed1 View Post


You also have to consider that most broadcasters are now charging retransmission fees to the cable operators so the channels really are not free to cable subscribers. In my cable system we are paying almost 4 dollars a month per subscriber for the local broadcast channels. WNEP is about the third most expensive channel in my system behind ESPN and TNT.

From Wiki:

WNEP serves one of the largest coverage areas east of the Mississippi River. This area is very mountainous meaning that some areas cannot get a clear signal from channel 50. As a result, it operates one of the largest translator systems of any station in the Eastern Time Zone. WNEP-TV is also one of very few television stations that operates the entire translator system in digital.

 

Now if only they had some decent content.

 

My BRF is $3.56.  Not to drift too far, this month I noticed I get "HSI Silver" on my bill. That item has gone to heaven on my headend's rate card. I get just over 4Mbs. I guess it's time to bother SE and see what's up. Dropping the "Digital Variety Package" should make them happy too.

post #28303 of 29213
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

From Wiki:
WNEP serves one of the largest coverage areas east of the Mississippi River. This area is very mountainous meaning that some areas cannot get a clear signal from channel 50. As a result, it operates one of the largest translator systems of any station in the Eastern Time Zone. WNEP-TV is also one of very few television stations that operates the entire translator system in digital.

Now if only they had some decent content.

My BRF is $3.56.  Not to drift too far, this month I noticed I get "HSI Silver" on my bill. That item has gone to heaven on my headend's rate card. I get just over 4Mbs. I guess it's time to bother SE and see what's up. Dropping the "Digital Variety Package" should make them happy too.

Ironically, I was talking to SECV on friday about the internet as the Mahanoy City system subscribers all received a letter describing the rate hikes and changes that are coming. Our rate hike is going to start in June because it will be large as we did not get the rate hike last year so we get a double wammy. I have to make arangements to have my modem upgraded so I can be ready for DOCSIS 3.0 when they build the new fiber hub. They figured if they send a letter a month early it will soften the blow when Junes bill hits the mail boxes. I laughed as I stated most of the subscribers never read the packet they sent about the transition.
You better call and see if you need your modem changed and you might save a chunk of cash if you bundle your services with them.

As for WNEP, I have not watched any program on that channel in 5 or 6 years now. I basically watch two CBS programs, NCIS and The Good Wife, and some PBS programs like Frontline. Most of the time I am watching something on the premium movie channels, HDNET Movies, USA HD, and TNT HD. The rest of the channels they can take off as I do not watch them. I was using the DHG to record the Good Wife and NCIS off the antenna feed from WHP in Harrisburg. Sunday nights is my heavy recording night as I maybe recording and watching 5 or 6 different programs form 9 PM to 11 PM. Which reminds me that SECV is testing the 6 tuner Arris Whole Home solution for our system. It is based off the old retail version of the Moxi DVR. I still may opt for the 4 tuner Tivo though.

How is a stunning document from Service Electric about Must Carry and Retrasmission Consent. This is a cable first as Service Electric is the first to speak up publicly about this as they were really burned publicly by the owners of WNEP, which is Oak Hill Capital Partners.
http://www.sectv.com/PDF/RETRANSMISSION.pdf
post #28304 of 29213
This is a long post - sorry for the length, but I have some important information.

I have determined there is an extremely simple solution for our clock-set problem. In brief, just one line of the DHG's software needs to be changed. ONE SINGLE LINE !!! No changes to the user interface will be necessary. There can be no simpler solution! The effort to implement the solution likely can be counted in hours, not days or weeks.

Some may say that Sony does not have access to the code, or that they only have partial access. Such speculation may be interesting, but is not useful to solving the problem. Sony provided the 2009 update which ROVI complained that it had not been given to test, so apparently Sony had access to the code. Until Sony says that it does not have the code, it is reasonable to assume it does.

In addition, by releasing their Recording Time Calculator app as a solution to our problem, Sony implicitly recognized that their product does have a problem which they need to address. Several people have been told the Recording Time app is the only solution available at this time. Sony has not said it will be the only solution made available. Until Sony explicitly says that it will not provide a software update we should continue to ask for one - we will not get it by not asking!

I think all our pleadings have gone unanswered because there are not many in Sony who are familiar with the product or with how the loss of TVGOS has affected it. As a result, our requests for a fix probably fall on deaf ears and do not reach anyone capable of recognizing the need. With the feasibility of a solution and its costs unknown, Sony management is unlikely to address our needs. Approaching Sony with a well defined solution and a rough idea of the effort involved is more likely to produce results than just complaining that Sony needs to do something. The problem is getting our request to the right person.

So, I have sent Sony a letter asking for a clock-set fix and detailing how it can be achieved with little effort. To make sure anyone at Sony evaluating my request has enough information to properly evaluate its feasibility I included a 5-page attachment outlining the background of the DHGs and comparing them to other Sony DVRs that used TVGOS but which also provided clock-set capabilities. I described the problems produced by the loss of TVGOS and why Sony's app is an inadequate solution. I gave the details of the simple solution I propose (as much as is possible without having access to the software), as well as how to implement and test it. I also provided some basic technical details that may be helpful to anyone not familiar with the DHGs.

I sent the letter at the beginning of April to Sarah Kepler (a supervisor in Sony's esupport group) at Sony's Support Center in Fort Myers, FL. I have had no reply. I do not know if my letter is being ignored, is lost, or is being passed up to higher levels as I requested. I would like to think it has been sent to San Diego for evaluation and implementation or that perhaps Sony is working on a more thorough solution. Lacking a reply, I just don't know what is happening.

I am confident in my solution and believe if enough DHG owners ask Sony to implement this solution, Sony should take notice and seriously consider it. Please read my letter below and the 5-page attachment I sent with it. I don't think I have the status to post the 5-page attachment here, so I have made it available until mid July as a PDF download (52,286 bytes) from the following secure web page:

https://hotfile.com/dl/204454772/b57c200/Sony_DHG_Clock-Set_Solution.pdf.html

I urge you to tell as many Sony contacts as you can that you want this simple solution implemented. If you belong to other forums/communities/threads that are concerned with the Sony DHGs, please inform them of this simple solution and urge them to also contact Sony about it in any way possible - email, letter, phone. The more of us who contact Sony, the better.

People are buried in emails nowadays, so I think letters are better for detailed matters. Phone contacts may be useful to persuade people to review and act on more detailed written information. Our problem is to get this simple solution in front of someone at Sony with enough technological knowledge to realize the simplicity and minimal cost involved.

If you know of such Sony personnel who may be able to evaluate this simple solution or pass it on to someone else in Sony who might, please contact them with this proposal. Or, if you prefer, let me know names and mailing addresses and I will send them a printed copy of my letter/attachment.

Feel free to borrow from my document in spreading the word. Thanks.

So here is the letter I sent 3 weeks ago:

Dear Ms. Kepler:

I am asking Sony to provide a new firmware update for Sony's DHG-HDD250/500 DVRs. The functionality of the DVRs became severely limited when Sony's partner ROVI stopped providing the TV Guide On Screen (TVGOS) program guide and clock information - data that was essential to the operation of the DVRs. The recorder's internal clock now drifts and becomes inaccurate, especially after a power outage. Unfortunately, Sony provided no way for users to set the internal clock manually - apparently never expecting ROVI to discontinue providing data.

Sony, recognizing that an inaccurate clock complicates scheduling accurate recording times, has tried to solve that problem by providing an android app to determine recording times - a solution that most users find unsatisfactory.

I am proposing a better solution that will allow users to set the internal clock. The cost of implementing the solution will be extremely minimal. It will take more time to assemble the materials needed for the fix than the small number of minutes needed to actually implement it.

Implementing the solution is simple, requiring little expertise or prior knowledge of the recorder and its software. Only a few lines of the recorder's software need to be changed, potentially even only one line. No changes to the user interface will be needed. Many of your San Diego office software engineers could easily complete this project in little time. It might be an ideal learning project for an intern familiar with Linux and the C programming language.

Please forward my request for implementation of this simple solution to appropriate Sony personnel who have sufficient technical expertise to evaluate the proposal, confirm its feasibility and the minimal effort needed to implement it.

Several pages are attached to assist your technical team in understanding the issues and evaluating the feasibility of implementing the proposed solution. These pages provide:

1) Background information on the DVRs and the effects of the loss of TVGOS data
2) Descriptions of: problems with the DVRs, Sony's inadequate solution, and desired fixes
3) Details of a simple solution allowing users to set the recorder's clock and its implementation
4) A procedure to verify the implementation
5) Pertinent technical information about the hardware & software

It is in Sony's interest to invest the small effort necessary to implement this solution. Most users of these DVRs are high-end users, often owners of many pieces of Sony equipment who influence purchase decisions of family, friends, and co-workers - just the kind of satisfied customers Sony should want to keep happy.

Please inform me of what action you take on this matter. If it is more appropriate that I contact someone else in Sony with my request, please let me know. I look forward to your reply.

Thank you.
post #28305 of 29213
While your solution demonstrates ingenuity, it is presumptuous to assume that the DHG's firmware was coded in a sensible way that would enable the programmers to easily implement the fix. It has also been almost five years since the last update, in which time Sony could have discarded the firmware's source code. Your idea may be the best one to date in terms of the likelihood that it would provide a functional clock, but that's still no guarantee that Sony either has the capability of, let alone any interest in, implementing it.
post #28306 of 29213
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Ironically, I was talking to SECV on friday about the internet as the Mahanoy City system subscribers all received a letter describing the rate hikes and changes that are coming. Our rate hike is going to start in June because it will be large as we did not get the rate hike last year so we get a double wammy. I have to make arangements to have my modem upgraded so I can be ready for DOCSIS 3.0 when they build the new fiber hub. They figured if they send a letter a month early it will soften the blow when Junes bill hits the mail boxes. I laughed as I stated most of the subscribers never read the packet they sent about the transition.
You better call and see if you need your modem changed and you might save a chunk of cash if you bundle your services with them.
 

Over a two years ago I bought a Motorola SB6120 DOCSIS 3.0 modem. I found that there was an update for its firmware. PTD said they would not update my modem since I didn't buy or lease it from them and they don't supply time data either. Your post explains why the Mahanoy City rate card is not current. I think PTD service sucks. I think their DNS server is a TRS-80.

post #28307 of 29213
Just an FYI, Sony just posted its yearly financials last week and for the ninth year in a row the consumer electronics division lost money. The new CEO of Sony has already eliminated three departments that were underperforming in his first year. With all the other CE manufactures making cutbacks and even getting out of the CE business, Sony may exist the CE business themselves as they really are a media company now. Sony has not manufactured their CE products in house for at least 6 or seven years as this has been outsourced to contracters mainly in china. About 4 years ago Sony started to outsource their engineering of CE products to contracters. I really don't see Sony caring at all about fixing the DHG, especially with the financial condition that the CE division is in.
Please don't get your hopes up on this as you maybe severly disappionted if corporate Sony decides to exit the CE business.
post #28308 of 29213
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Originally Posted by ChiJay250 View Post

This is a long post - sorry for the length, but I have some important information.

I have determined there is an extremely simple solution for our clock-set problem. In brief, just one line of the DHG's software needs to be changed. ONE SINGLE LINE !!! No changes to the user interface will be necessary. There can be no simpler solution! The effort to implement the solution likely can be counted in hours, not days or weeks

... snip....
Interesting idea. There would be a problem with obtaining/setting the local UTC offset value (previously set via the timezone packet). I guess a zero offset could be ignored.
post #28309 of 29213
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Originally Posted by mabuttra View Post

I did a FP reset, and when it came back up, I powered on the DHG, and the FP clock showed 12:03pm. I then turned it off, and waited until the time showed 1:02 pm, and did another FP reset. when it came up, the clock was back to 12:03 pm (it moved back 59 minutes). I then waited until the clock showed 1:04pm, before doing another FP reset. when it came back up, the clock showed 1:03pm (it had moved back only 1 minute). That pretty much proved to me that my clock is stored about once an hour, and currently a FP reset will restore it back to xx:03.

Mark

As I have stated previously, this is what mine does as well. That predictable behavior is what makes it so easy to set the clock back to a specific time after I perform a warm reset two hours early.

- Kerry
post #28310 of 29213
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Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post

I thought of it. But I didn't mention it because the Clock Manipulators always seem to get upset when someone points out the house of cards they are building. I figured they would learn soon enough that methods (as ingenious as they are) are only useful as long as you are there to confirm on a daily basis that the clock still has the time you think it has . . . eek.gif

"House of cards" sounds a bit more precarious than my reality, but I do habitually check the DHG time when I watch TV. I also have a UPS with a car battery attached to it, so it takes quite a long power outage to affect the recorder.

- Kerry (Clock Manipulator?... is that a Time Lord?)
post #28311 of 29213
This afternoon I tried some experiments on my defunct DHG500 (main HDD has bad sectors in the first few tracks, unrecoverable). After waiting thru the "INF 11FFFF80" messages at startup, it finally starts pasing video and allowing commands. I accessed the TVGOS setup sequence, and went to the 753159852 stats screen. In particular, I scrolled down to the "Comm-Serial" screen, which shows periodically incrementings count for TX output, every few seconds.

I thought I'd try to find a spot on the circuit boards that might look like 115Kbd serial data. I tried all the connector pins, for both populated and unpopulated connector footprints I could see, and all the test points. Nada, no data activity in that frequency range. I thought if I could identify a "serial port", that might be the means to talk to the OS using the "369258147" "File System Shell" command recently mentioned.

The only thing of interest I saw, using a Tek TDS3012 digital scope, was what appeared to be a clock line and a data line, perhaps for an SPI-type of interface. The clock rate was 10MHz. This was seen on two pins of IC204 (I think), which is unpopulated, near where the flex cable from the front panel attaches. Maybe its data for the front panel, I dont know. The update rate was several packets per second; too fast to be the Serial Comm data.

I guess that Serial Comm data is well disguised in the board, or maybe it never leaves the cpu since a modem is not present.

Just some Idle fooling around. Maybe someone else can take this idea further. It would be interesting to get a shell prompt using a terminal, and give it a Linux "date" command. I never saw the screen get small in the U/L, even through a front panel standby/on cycle. But any further commands were ignored until I gave it a reset (using the handy button on the circuit board).
post #28312 of 29213
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Originally Posted by cosmicvoid View Post

The only thing of interest I saw, using a Tek TDS3012 digital scope, was what appeared to be a clock line and a data line, perhaps for an SPI-type of interface. The clock rate was 10MHz. This was seen on two pins of IC204 (I think), which is unpopulated, near where the flex cable from the front panel attaches. Maybe its data for the front panel, I dont know. The update rate was several packets per second; too fast to be the Serial Comm data.

I guess that Serial Comm data is well disguised in the board, or maybe it never leaves the cpu since a modem is not present.
 

Have you checked the data here:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1225369/just-whats-inside-a-sony-dhg-hddxx0/50_50#post_22588254

post #28313 of 29213
FWIW Department:

Yes I agree with others that say, there is some Date and Time stored somewhere in the box.

I reported on the FP reset I did a couple of weeks ago and the date remained correct and the time went back to either about 1:30PM or 2:30PM (I forgot what I posted).

Yesterday, the power to the Sony Box was turned off for some of the electrical work. The power was off about 45 minutes at around 4:30PM. When the Sony powered back up and did its welcome thing (and so did the TiVo in silence – it was off LOL), the date was still correct and the time started over again at either the 1:28PM or 1:30PM (when I saw it – 1:30PM). So now the clock is about 3.5 hours slow.

I agree that if I do a FP reset before 1:30PM, say between 8:30AM to 11:30AM, I may be able to get the clock on target. Problem is; I think that as I do this, eventually the date will begin to slip by one day, and so on, and so on, etc. Or perhaps I might kill the power at 1:15PM then turn it back on? Crazy beans for sure.

Not really going to mess with it too much (much more electrical work to come - this could last months); for the third channel recording I can still to the manual record. I just make the recording 4 hours wide to catch the program, since I am not good at math. LOL
post #28314 of 29213
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Originally Posted by HoustonPerson View Post

FWIW Department:

Yes I agree with others that say, there is some Date and Time stored somewhere in the box.

I reported on the FP reset I did a couple of weeks ago and the date remained correct and the time went back to either about 1:30PM or 2:30PM (I forgot what I posted).

Yesterday, the power to the Sony Box was turned off for some of the electrical work. The power was off about 45 minutes at around 4:30PM. When the Sony powered back up and did its welcome thing (and so did the TiVo in silence – it was off LOL), the date was still correct and the time started over again at either the 1:28PM or 1:30PM (when I saw it – 1:30PM). So now the clock is about 3.5 hours slow.

I agree that if I do a FP reset before 1:30PM, say between 8:30AM to 11:30AM, I may be able to get the clock on target. Problem is; I think that as I do this, eventually the date will begin to slip by one day, and so on, and so on, etc. Or perhaps I might kill the power at 1:15PM then turn it back on? Crazy beans for sure.

Not really going to mess with it too much (much more electrical work to come - this could last months); for the third channel recording I can still to the manual record. I just make the recording 4 hours wide to catch the program, since I am not good at math. LOL

I can understand your feeling about the date and even the day of week. But I look at it as a nice thing to have but not a requirement. This assumes you are not trying to record several things daily. Even if I couldn't set the date to get a good day-of-week, I could still use it for light work, like recording a daily program and adding weekly for Sat-Sun. Trying to make it work perfectly is just asking to be frustrated. May sweeps are almost over and there will not much prime time unless you like Splash or DWTS type programs.

 

There is no reason to remove power except to move the unit. A FP reset stops the clock until a white button is used to turn the unit on.

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Originally Posted by HoustonPerson View Post

Not really going to mess with it too much (much more electrical work to come - this could last months); for the third channel recording I can still to the manual record.

If your power is going to be turned off multiple times for the electrical work, consider getting a UPS (battery back-up power supply), or maybe just moving the DHG to a friend's house until the work is done. Getting a UPS is worth the cost, however, since you can always use it on other devices if you decide to stop using the DHG altogether.

- Kerry
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Originally Posted by keyboard21 View Post

So is it safe to say these Sony boxes are dead when it comes to OTA? When they lost Tvguide they became a door stop?

What a shame.

No, this means in my house an infinite WAF, meaning all "her" stuff is now on TiVo, and I can calculate times so I can record news shows.....but yes, the usefulness of the device is lower due to no clock or date set. It still works for OTA and QAM, however.
post #28317 of 29213
I had no Idea Sony made an app for this problem. How does it work? I mean if the clock on the Sony box is off because no TVGOS. How can a app help?

thanks
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Originally Posted by keyboard21 View Post

I had no Idea Sony made an app for this problem. How does it work? I mean if the clock on the Sony box is off because no TVGOS. How can a app help?

thanks

Haha. It's like the spreadsheet I made a while back.. You look at the (wrong) time that the DHG displays, then you enter that (wrong) time into the app, then you enter the correct start and end time into the app for the show that you wish to record, and then the app will display the proper (incorrect) starting and ending times for you to enter into the DHG to record your show. Got it? Or do you need me to repeat that? biggrin.gif

To be clear, Sony's app runs on your Android smartphone . . . rolleyes.gif
post #28319 of 29213
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Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post

Haha. It's like the spreadsheet I made a while back.. You look at the (wrong) time that the DHG displays, then you enter that (wrong) time into the app, then you enter the correct start and end time into the app for the show that you wish to record, and then the app will display the proper (incorrect) starting and ending times for you to enter into the DHG to record your show. Got it? Or do you need me to repeat that? biggrin.gif

To be clear, Sony's app runs on your Android smartphone . . . rolleyes.gif

LOL that is funny. Poor solution.

Better solution. Make a new box that works with PSIP and replace all the bad ones.


Thanks for info
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Originally Posted by keyboard21 View Post


LOL that is funny. Poor solution.

Better solution. Make a new box that works with PSIP and replace all the bad ones.


Thanks for info

Even better solution. Buy a TiVo.

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