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Originally Posted by mac24 View Post

Doesn't anyone in this discussion use a Harmony remote? And solve all of these issues? cool.gif
I use a Philips Pronto Pro (TSU9400) to make complex custom 'macros', and Javascript routines, using whatever discrete codes the device wil support.
I gave up on a Harmony 880 years ago; after one week: too agravating and featureless. Hate them.
post #28652 of 29213
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Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post

Equivalent move on the TiVo: When you tire of watching your recorded movie, simply press the "Live TV" button, then turn off your TV. That's it. One button press on the TiVo, plus whatever hoops you need to jump through to turn off your TV. smile.gif

Or just leave the room without pushing any buttons, right? smile.gif Anyway, that is not precisely equivalent to shutting down the Sony; The TiVo doesn't go into standby with the Live TV button.

- Kerry
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Originally Posted by HoustonPerson View Post

The RMVLZ620 eliminates that for the four following items. The hardest part will be putting in the batteries.
“Exit” is already programmed into the remote no macro coding required.
“Standby” is already programmed into the remote no macro coding required.
“MyShows” (Recording Lists) is already programmed into the remote no macro coding required.

I'm practically sold already smile.gif


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All transport controls are grouped together (not true on the peanut).
All selection buttons are grouped together (not true on the peanut).
All numeric functions are grouped together (not true on the peanut).
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I don't even like the way the peanut sits in my hand, but I suppose I would get accustomed to that — if I decide the remote is worth keeping. I am also looking at the Harmony 650 (only about 3x as much as the Sony smile.gif ). I don't need the little LCD screen, but I want to make sure there isn't something that it can do better than the Sony RMVLZ620. (you may note that I am not one of those people who said "I will never buy another Sony product"...)

- Kerry
post #28654 of 29213
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Originally Posted by KerryNY View Post


Or just leave the room without pushing any buttons, right? smile.gif Anyway, that is not precisely equivalent to shutting down the Sony; The TiVo doesn't go into standby with the Live TV button.

- Kerry

Perhaps it's a two tuner issue, but I had bad luck with the TiVo "Standy" function. It would frequently (1 out of 3) leave "Standby" with no video and/or no audio. I no longer use it. I just lay my peanut down and pick up something else. BTW, the "Standby" option (I think) clears the parental password also.

post #28655 of 29213
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Originally Posted by KerryNY View Post

Or just leave the room without pushing any buttons, right? smile.gif Anyway, that is not precisely equivalent to shutting down the Sony; The TiVo doesn't go into standby with the Live TV button.

- Kerry

You are 100% correct!

With the DHG, when you power off, everything continues to run (hard drive, fan, tuning, clock, etc.) EXCEPT for the video output. And when you turn it back on, there is NOTHING in the buffer.

With the TiVo, you can't turn the power off. Everything continues to run (hard drive, fan, tuning, clock, etc.) INCLUDING the video output. And when you turn your TV back on, the last 30 minutes of each channel the tuners are tuned to is waiting for you in the buffer.

These devices are different. The TiVo Lives. The Sony is all but Dead. You pays yo' money and you makes yo' choices. If you choose to live with the Zombies, so be it. biggrin.gif

But I really fail to understand why you would attempt to put the TiVo in "Standby" while leaving your TV on? confused.gif

Your TV certainly uses several times more power than the TiVo and the Sony combined. eek.gif
Edited by WS65711 - 6/20/13 at 8:24am
post #28656 of 29213
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Originally Posted by KerryNY View Post

I am also looking at the Harmony 650 (only about 3x as much as the Sony smile.gif ).
- Kerry

The 650 is a good remote (we use it in Florida where out HT is a bit less "involved"). The LCD is not a "touch" screen on that remote, but in my opinion that's a plus.

Although Logitech is selling the Harmony division, they just introduced a new remote called the Smart Harmony which looks pretty impressive for $129. We might check it out this weekend and if we do I'll post again.

After the experience with Rovi, my husband is a bit concerned about the Logitech situation and would be interested in any other opinions from this forum on smart remote controls.
post #28657 of 29213
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Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post

But I really fail to understand why you would attempt to put the TiVo in "Standby" while leaving your TV on? confused.gif

I did not mean to suggest that I ever wish to do that. But if I did put the TiVo in standby and forget to turn off my TV, it would power down after a few minutes. It does that when there is no input. I'm not that lazy, but I have been that forgetful. :-)

- Kerry
post #28658 of 29213
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Originally Posted by mac24 View Post

After the experience with Rovi, my husband is a bit concerned about the Logitech situation and would be interested in any other opinions from this forum on smart remote controls.

I don't worry about using devices which are no longer supported by the manufacturer — unless they are dependent on some ongoing signal, service, etc. (we all know an example of that!) All three of my cars were made in the 1960's, after all. smile.gif

But I, too, am interested in other opinions/recommendations as well. I won't buy anything until mid-July, so there is time. So far, the RMVLZ620 is in the lead with its 16-step macros...

- Kerry (maybe I should just look for the thread on "universal remotes")
post #28659 of 29213
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Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post

But I really fail to understand why you would attempt to put the TiVo in "Standby" while leaving your TV on? confused.gif

Your TV certainly uses several times more power than the TiVo and the Sony combined. eek.gif

Until I learned that there was a setup option to kill the LED when off I used "Standby". Since then, never needed it.

 

Actually, my TV uses almost 60 watts when running. I switch to it at night since it knows when I fall asleep and turns itself off, including the audio to my AVR. Sadly, Sony dropped that feature from the newer sets.


Edited by JoeKustra - 6/20/13 at 3:00pm
post #28660 of 29213
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

.... I switch to (my TV) at night since it knows when I fall asleep and turns itself off, including the audio to my AVR. Sadly, Sony dropped that feature from the newer sets.

No matter.. your TV probably also reports your bedtime to the NSA as well as to the Chinese . . . biggrin.gifbiggrin.gifwink.gif
post #28661 of 29213
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra 
it knows when I fall asleep and turns itself off
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Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post

No matter.. your TV probably also reports your bedtime to the NSA as well as to the Chinese . . . biggrin.gifbiggrin.gifwink.gif

smile.gif

I think Santa Claus might be involved as well...

- Kerry
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And so it ends. The last few dozen posts of the DHG thread are about TiVo, Harmony, etc - anything but the DHG. (sigh)

It was a good run. I'll keep mine as a backup for some limited functionality if/when my DTVPal DVR dies.

I am less inclined to buy Sony, but mostly due to other disappointing Sony products, more than this.
post #28663 of 29213
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Originally Posted by navychop View Post

And so it ends. The last few dozen posts of the DHG thread are about TiVo, Harmony, etc - anything but the DHG. (sigh)

It was a good run. I'll keep mine as a backup for some limited functionality if/when my DTVPal DVR dies.

I am less inclined to buy Sony, but mostly due to other disappointing Sony products, more than this.

The end might be a little far. Probably 50% of the posts are about TVGOS since the thread's inception. Probably 90% of us here have alternatives but we still are here if only to help the poor souls who have just bought one on eBay. It does have limited functionality but that limit doesn't affect the quality. I can't tell the difference in PQ between my DHG and Tivo. Maybe I could say the DHG guide is never wrong? TiVo can't say that. We don't spend our lives here, but nothing lasts forever.

post #28664 of 29213
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Originally Posted by Possumgirl View Post

This discussion on remotes is definitely a "to each his own" sort of thing. I can't imagine bothering with a programmable remote, and certainly not that Sony one with its myriad of tiny buttons.eek.gif Maybe my setup is too simple: a TV, the TiVo, the AVR, and the BD player. I use CEC which works with everything except the TiVo. For me, the TiVo remote is a joy to use, far better than the DHG remote. It gets the most use. I only use the AVR remote when I need to switch back from the BD player. I could use it to control the BD player also, but the TV remote is easier to use for that.

I also chuckle when someone points out that it takes TWO button pushes on TiVo to do what ONE push did on the DHG. What were you planning to do with that extra half second of your life? smile.gif Why not mention the functions that only take one button on the TiVo but took two on the DHG? Seems to me the whole thing is a push.

I also find the TiVo peanut remote easy to use. Instead of having numerous buttons they consolidated the buttons into a couple of buttons which are located at the upper portion of the remote, This remote is also comfortable to hold.
post #28665 of 29213
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Originally Posted by mac24 View Post

A truer statement has never been made. smile.gif

I personally don't care for the TiVo remote, but I suspect it's because I've been using the Harmony One for so long now. If you have more than one component (as most of us do), them the most frustrating thing for me in the "old" days was pushing a button when I thought the remote was controlling component "A" when it was actually set to control component "B". The Harmony solves all of that.

Harmony remotes are not cheap, and Jed1 brings up a great point. But I have faith in the marketplace.

My faith has been shattered. I started with HD back in 2004 and I have had nothing but bad luck at every step. The infamous RCA DLP world wide search for parts caused by Thompson Electronics selling RCA to TCL of china. I heavily invested in the losing side (HD DVD) of the format war. Suffered through the DTS Master Audio bomb which wiped out my front speakers. I ended up throwing a Pioneer receiver in the garbage. Plasma buzzing and Pioneer exiting the TV business. Failing Onkyo HDMI boards. And of course good ole Rovi walking away from TVGOS. These are just some of the bigger issues I faced.
I did dodge one bullet as I didn't buy the 3 tuner Moxi and Mate as I was pretty gun shy. When I just about made up my mind to purchase one Arris ended sales for the retail Moxis.

Oh great, my 1 day old TiVo just reset itself while I was watching it.eek.gifmad.gif

Harmony remotes are real good but given the CE industries track record, especially since the global economic downturn, my wallet and mental faculties can not sustain much more damage.eek.gif
post #28666 of 29213
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

It does have limited functionality but that limit doesn't affect the quality. I can't tell the difference in PQ between my DHG and Tivo.

I don't know why people continually cite PQ as a benefit of a particular DVR, when transcoding DVRs are the exception, not the norm. Any DVR that captures the MPEG-2 TS should obviously have the same PQ as any other DVR that does the same thing. If you notice a difference, it's because one of the units has sub-optimal picture settings.
post #28667 of 29213
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Originally Posted by Jed1 View Post

My faith has been shattered. I started with HD back in 2004 and I have had nothing but bad luck at every step. The infamous RCA DLP world wide search for parts caused by Thompson Electronics selling RCA to TCL of china. I heavily invested in the losing side (HD DVD) of the format war. Suffered through the DTS Master Audio bomb which wiped out my front speakers. I ended up throwing a Pioneer receiver in the garbage. Plasma buzzing and Pioneer exiting the TV business. Failing Onkyo HDMI boards. And of course good ole Rovi walking away from TVGOS. These are just some of the bigger issues I faced.
I did dodge one bullet as I didn't buy the 3 tuner Moxi and Mate as I was pretty gun shy. When I just about made up my mind to purchase one Arris ended sales for the retail Moxis.

Oh great, my 1 day old TiVo just reset itself while I was watching it.eek.gifmad.gif

Hmmm .... makes me glad I've stuck with Sony.

Before I go further, let me say that I am sympathetic to your situation and sincerely hope that the truly important things in life - family, health, love - are all right with you.

Our first HDTV was a 2004 Toshiba which was crap (nothing wrong with the brand - we have 2 Toshiba laptops which are solid). Lesson learned, we wanted a Sony. When plasma & DLP first showed up, we stayed away precisely because Sony did the same. We bought a Sony floor-standing rear projection 48" (4:3). One year later it was on eBay, replaced with the rear-projection LCD 50" (2 years) then a 60" (2 years), then a 55" flat-screen LCD (2 years), then the 55" 3D. All replaced units (save the first flat-screen) went on eBay for 60-80% of original cost to local buyers who picked them up. Never an issue with any of them.

The DTS audio bomb is new to me, but as I Google it I see that it was most common on Onkyo equipment and I did not see Sony mentioned much.

My friends in AV tell me that the newer Panasonic plasma televisions are solid but all of the early plasma TVs suffered from burn-in, image fade (which could not be repaired) and, yes, buzzing. Sony has never offered a plasma TV that I am aware of.

Our STR-DG1100 receivers are each 7 years old and are rock solid. The PS3 is the best Blu-Ray player made by far (we are not gamers - my husband bought this for his mother to do email but when the iPad came out we got it back). Our speakers are Boze. And of course, 2 TiVos (one S3, one Premiere, both purchased as used, no problems so far, fingers are crossed).

And then there's the DHG. In 2004 Sony was the only company to pursue an HD DVR that used a subscription-free service. Shortly after it was introduced, cable and satellite companies started offering higher-capacity DVRs for less than $15/month. Sony saw the writing on the wall and discontinued the DHG very quickly. The fact that the DHG has lasted almost 8 years (and for many of us is still going strong) makes it to my way of thinking a smashing success. Others will disagree strongly. That's their right. But there's no disputing Joe is correct - nothing lasts forever.

I don't blame you in the slightest for avoiding Harmony given your experience. When I say I have faith in the marketplace, I believe that the Harmony is a solid concept with a strong following and that I'm betting it will be purchased by a reliable provider that will keep the line - and the IR database - going.

We've tried a lot of remotes - and I mean a lot (including the RMVLZ6200). With all respect to HP, the Harmony One is the best I've ever used. Nothing else has come close.

One person's opinion, nothing more.
Edited by mac24 - 6/21/13 at 7:02am
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Originally Posted by Jed1 View Post

My faith has been shattered. I started with HD back in 2004 and I have had nothing but bad luck at every step. The infamous RCA DLP world wide search for parts caused by Thompson Electronics selling RCA to TCL of china. I heavily invested in the losing side (HD DVD) of the format war. Suffered through the DTS Master Audio bomb which wiped out my front speakers. I ended up throwing a Pioneer receiver in the garbage. Plasma buzzing and Pioneer exiting the TV business. Failing Onkyo HDMI boards. And of course good ole Rovi walking away from TVGOS.

As the song goes: If it wasn't for bad luck, you wouldn't have no luck at all. frown.gif

Certainly there is more risk when buying the newest technologies, but your bad luck seems to go beyond the normal risk. And there is risk at the other end, too — getting into a technology just before it becomes obsolete. I tend to operate close to that end of the scale, but I tried to avoid it this time by getting a Premiere instead of an older TiVo. (hopefully more future-proof)

I hope your TiVo stabilizes, and your AV luck turns around in general.

- Kerry
post #28669 of 29213
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Originally Posted by mac24 View Post

Hmmm .... makes me glad I've stuck with Sony.
I don't blame you in the slightest for avoiding Harmony given your experience. When I say I have faith in the marketplace, I believe that the Harmony is a solid concept with a strong following and that I'm betting it will be purchased by a reliable provider that will keep the line - and the IR database - going.
We've tried a lot of remotes - and I mean a lot (including the RMVLZ6200). With all respect to HP, the Harmony One is the best I've ever used. Nothing else has come close.
One person's opinion, nothing more.

Did you also mention the activities buttons, programmable for all activities like watch TV, watch DVD, listen to music etc. The fact that you can program the buttons on your remote online to use the cable box to change channels on watch tv and not use the tv tuner post TVGOS to change the channels is an added plus. One button will turn on all devices in that activities, a plus for the Harmony remote. I own the Harmony 700 and it saves me from using about 5 remotes.
post #28670 of 29213
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Originally Posted by navychop View Post

And so it ends. The last few dozen posts of the DHG thread are about TiVo, Harmony, etc - anything but the DHG. (sigh)

Well, these discussions are still sparked by the Sony DHG. I started this particular sub-thread by noting features I liked / disliked about my TiVo compared to my DHG. And since the remote control is a factor, alternative remotes naturally became a tangential subject. I think conversations in the DHG thread will continue to be traced back our experiences with the DHG, and the transition to life without the Gemstar/Rovi guide.

And it seems that some people still occasionally pop-up out of nowhere and say, "Hey, my clock is off! I hate Sony! Where's my clock fix?" :-\

- Kerry
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Did you also mention the activities buttons, programmable for all activities like watch TV, watch DVD, listen to music etc. The fact that you can program the buttons on your remote online to use the cable box to change channels on watch tv and not use the tv tuner post TVGOS to change the channels is an added plus. One button will turn on all devices in that activities, a plus for the Harmony remote. I own the Harmony 700 and it saves me from using about 5 remotes.

I understand your point of view. But like mac24, an extra few seconds doesn't matter to me. Plus when my relatives want to use my stuff, it's protected from harm. Most of the time I turn on my AVR & TV using their power buttons and not the remotes. It can become sort of ritual to sit down and then decide. In the olden days people had kids just so they could adjust the rabbit ears or change the channel. smile.gif

 

I'm still waiting for a solar powered remote.

post #28672 of 29213
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Originally Posted by KerryNY View Post

And it seems that some people still occasionally pop-up out of nowhere and say, "Hey, my clock is off! I hate Sony! Where's my clock fix?" :-\

- Kerry

While I have not moved on to TIVO and still use my DHG on a daily basis, I can fix the time of day and if I wanted to wait a week before using my DHG I could also have the correct day of week..rolleyes.gif
To bring back subject to this thread, I will say that since I downgraded my firmware from .21 to .13 and changing the zipcode on the TVGOS setup to 00000 the DHG has been running beyond my expectations...rolleyes.gif I have not had any crashes or lockups on my DHG since I made those changes...rolleyes.gif The fact that we have had to take matters into our own hands to get our DHG's functional and not a door stop is really a shame on Sony for not acting sooner when they had notice from ROVI that they were pulling out of TVGOS support for OTA/Cable and would only support online capable devices. It's a shame on Sony for creating such a superior DVR recorder and not doing the right thing, making the DHG fully functional for all....eek.gif
Time of day and PSIP support post TVGOS....mad.gif
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Originally Posted by izzy900 View Post

shame on Sony for creating such a superior DVR recorder and not doing the right thing, making the DHG fully functional for all....eek.gif
Time of day and PSIP support post TVGOS....mad.gif

Editable titles and a keyboard input would have been nice, too. Even my Sony CD changer from the late 1990's has a keyboard input for album titles. This debacle is a lesson for Sony not to build something that relies on a third-party service, but also a lesson for us not to buy something that does. (unless it is just for the short term)

- Kerry
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Originally Posted by izzy900 View Post

Did you also mention the activities buttons, programmable for all activities like watch TV, watch DVD, listen to music etc. The fact that you can program the buttons on your remote online to use the cable box to change channels on watch tv and not use the tv tuner post TVGOS to change the channels is an added plus. One button will turn on all devices in that activities, a plus for the Harmony remote. I own the Harmony 700 and it saves me from using about 5 remotes.

There are many features of the Harmony that go beyond the scope of this forum. Kerry is a smart person, and I'm sure that he/she can do the required research. But I will mention that the Harmony IR database is very impressive and includes codes that will save you "blank screen" time. In particular:

1. Most all Sony components (and some other manufacturers) support POWER ON and POWER OFF commands in addition to POWER TOGGLE. These are included in the database and are key to setting up the Activities. Very handy when there's more than one remote in the room. (Like Kerry, I like to keep my TiVo in standby mode while I'm not using it - unfortunately the TiVo only supports POWER TOGGLE).

2. The database includes commands for direct input settings on both the video and audio devices. In other words, you can program an activity to "set input HDMI3" and it will perform the action without cycling through other inputs.

3. In many cases you will be able to program buttons to perform actions that are not included on the component's factory remote. In particular, the Tivo "Toggle Standby mode" is included, as well as "Last Channel" on the DHG (which Sony somehow forgot to include on the DHG remote).
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Originally Posted by mac24 View Post


There are many features of the Harmony that go beyond the scope of this forum. Kerry is a smart person, and I'm sure that he/she can do the required research. But I will mention that the Harmony IR database is very impressive and includes codes that will save you "blank screen" time. In particular:

I like to keep my TiVo in standby mode while I'm not using it - unfortunately the TiVo only supports POWER TOGGLE).

 

How's that? Only way I know to turn off my TiVo is pull the plug.

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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

How's that? Only way I know to turn off my TiVo is pull the plug.

Sorry - should be TOGGLE STANDBY MODE.

Can always count on Joe to point out my mistakes ... frown.gif
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

How's that? Only way I know to turn off my TiVo is pull the plug.

Maybe a remote can trigger this:

http://www.kussmaul.com/091-55-20-120.html

- Kerry
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Originally Posted by mac24 View Post

Kerry is a smart person, and I'm sure that he/she can do the required research.

How did you know I was a hermaphrodite? wink.gif

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unfortunately the TiVo only supports POWER TOGGLE).

I think I can work around that by programming one key just for system standby/shutdown, while another will use the TiVo button (or LiveTV) to wake it up and select the TV's HDMI input.

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2. The database includes commands for direct input settings on both the video and audio devices. In other words, you can program an activity to "set input HDMI3" and it will perform the action without cycling through other inputs.

Cycling through input choices is one of the most annoying operations on my LG TV, so I think that direct change ability will be one of the features I appreciate most on a programmable remote.

- Kerry ♂
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Originally Posted by Jed1 View Post

My faith has been shattered. I started with HD back in 2004 and I have had nothing but bad luck at every step.:
My problem with HD is that I need to have 10-12 hd units, tuners, dvr's etc. and finding a cheap remote that can handle such a load was difficult. They all seem to fail after a year of heavy button pushing and need to be opened and cleaned which isn't always easy. At least the SONY rmzvl620 is pretty cheap and the preprogrammed codes do include most functions so when it starts to fail I just buy another off Ebay for $15.00 and throw the old one out. Or are there cheap remotes out there that last a lot longer than a year of heavy use without needing to be cleaned?
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Originally Posted by KerryNY View Post

How did you know I was a hermaphrodite? wink.gif
I think I can work around that by programming one key just for system standby/shutdown, while another will use the TiVo button (or LiveTV) to wake it up and select the TV's HDMI input.
Cycling through input choices is one of the most annoying operations on my LG TV, so I think that direct change ability will be one of the features I appreciate most on a programmable remote.

- Kerry ♂

"Kerry" can go either way. Hope I did not offend. cool.gif

What is the model of the LG? I will check and see if it supports direct input and if those commands are in the Harmony database.

Edit: I checked the 50PC5D and direct input is supported on that TV, so I'm sure yours does too unless it's really old.
Edited by mac24 - 6/21/13 at 2:01pm
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