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post #28801 of 29213
We have one analogue station in the Dallas area. Denton TX I think analogue 22. It comes in snowy here. Both the Panasonic get it and the Sony get it. the TiVo does not. This same station is repeated on at least 3 other low power digital sub channels here. The TiVo does get those, 2 of the 3 are rock solid. But it is not anything we would watch.

For us the Sony was noticeable more accurate on Program data, descriptions, times, new (vs. repeat) etc.. About 99% accurate vs. the TiVo's 95% accuracy. So far the mistakes in the grid are funny, others that cause us to miss programs are not good.

So we have a standard rule to check the grid each day. One for errors and two to identify third programs to record, and a possible forth to watch.
post #28802 of 29213
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

You are probably right. Motive, from Canada, can not be used with a season pass. No big deal. Same issue from programs on BBCAM. It just makes me unhappy when the Zap2It listings are correct and TiVo's guide is wrong. Both have a TMS copyright for their guide. You have probably seen the "28 day" rule. I hope that applies to a lunar cycle. Further comments would be bad.

As HP points out the DHG had the "new" flag correct 99% of the time, but ironically the Gemstar software did not support recording only new episodes for Regular/Weekly. Given a choice of that and a TiVo which is correct 95% but does allow the option, I'd prefer the latter.

My ignorance is showing through again, as I don't know what the "28 day" rule refers to. Please explain, beyond the semi-sideways reference to the lunar cycle (which by the way no longer applies to me Thank God).

Quite something that Kerry will also be in eastern PA this September. I'm going to see if there's a restaurant nearby called the Demonfoo and, if so, I'm making reservations for all of us. wink.gif
post #28803 of 29213
We use Season Pass with Motive (and about 3 other shows that are new but not marked); but in order to get them we set the TiVo to record both new and repeats. Otherwise it will miss the New ones.

The thing that we don't like is when "shows" or on, or about to be on but TiVo has another show listed and SP cannot do the job. There was a very bad spell of that non sense about one month ago. Have not seen that occur during the last 10-12 days or so.
post #28804 of 29213
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.... Quite something that Kerry will also be in eastern PA this September. I'm going to see if there's a restaurant nearby called the Demonfoo and, if so, I'm making reservations for all of us. wink.gif

It will be a futile exercise. Even though you may all think you are going to meet in September on such and such day at such and such time, remember that this is a group of DHG people. You guys may be able to get the meeting time sync'ed up close enough, but there's no way y'all are all gonna be there on the same day of the week in the same month and year . . .

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post #28805 of 29213
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My ignorance is showing through again, as I don't know what the "28 day" rule refers to. Please explain, beyond the semi-sideways reference to the lunar cycle (which by the way no longer applies to me Thank God).

Quite something that Kerry will also be in eastern PA this September. I'm going to see if there's a restaurant nearby called the Demonfoo and, if so, I'm making reservations for all of us. wink.gif
From TC forum:
"If the first one was scheduled by a SP then manually scheduling another copy will cause the first to be canceled because the TiVo automatic logic is to only record one copy of a program in a 28 day period. The only way to get both is to manually record them both or set the SP to "Everything""
 
I've seen this mentioned whenever someone has a guide issue. This rule has unintended consequences as we have seen.
 
I Googled "Demonfoo" and came up empty.
 
Another failure due to the 28 day rule is Continuum and Primeval but those are on SyFy which, as a cable channel, not everyone can duplicate.
 
I find the guide funny because a "new" show on any day is "new" until midnight, There may be more but I only view "favorites" on my guide. If it's right on Zap2It, why is it wrong on TiVo? That's my question.
 
The DHG guide never failed me unless a show went on haitus for two weeks. Then it was a crap shoot if it would come back.
 
I guess it's not a perfect world.
post #28806 of 29213
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Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post

It will be a futile exercise. Even though you may all think you are going to meet in September on such and such day at such and such time, remember that this is a group of DHG people. You guys may be able to get the meeting time sync'ed up close enough, but there's no way y'all are all gonna be there on the same day of the week in the same month and year . . .

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post #28807 of 29213
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You ...confused.gif ... didn't ...eek.gif ... really ... redface.gif ... think ... confused.gif ... I ...cool.gif ... was ... confused.gif ... being ... eek.gif ... serious .................. did ... rolleyes.gif ... you ???? tongue.giftongue.giftongue.giftongue.giftongue.gif

I most certainly did think you were serious. After all, this is the thread where people jump through all kinds of hoops like getting up in the middle of the night to power-up the DHG after performing some other smoke and mirrors sequence to get the time within seconds (good until the next lockup).. You know, Izzy, CleClak, and the rest.... I was just waiting for those guys gals persons to chime in and say that they were going to be in Eastern PA as well . . . biggrin.gif

For all I know, you've invited the participants of that other thread too, the one where they upgrade to the latest firmware twice a week, experiment with fans and other components, and can't seem to record daily or weekly, constantly fight the remote... But yet they continue the love fest because the price of admission is so low . . . rolleyes.gif
post #28808 of 29213
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I most certainly did think you were serious ...

Sorry, gotta go. My in-laws just arrived 2 weeks early (not sure why) ...

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post #28809 of 29213
Since it was a question - I wouldn't use a Tivo if it were free at the dump recycle table. No way. Never. Or, that is, I would use it without a subscription, which means Tivo bricks it into a non-operable piece of nothingness. Can Tivo even work as a VCR for OTA? I bet not. DHG outperforms it there.

My DHG still going strong and with as perfect HD A/V as ever. And I'm as happy as a clam. Perfect solution for me. As long as it keeps working, I'll keep relying on it for all my viewing.

Going back to the topic of early days programming. I wrote my very first programs on the easily-ripped paper ticker tape of the DEC PDP-8. Now that was smooth sailing. smile.gif
post #28810 of 29213
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Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post

For all I know, you've invited the participants of that other thread too, the one where they upgrade to the latest firmware twice a week, experiment with fans and other components, and can't seem to record daily or weekly, constantly fight the remote... But yet they continue the love fest because the price of admission is so low . . . rolleyes.gif

Now, now... if you're going to treat the people in "that other thread" as though they're participating in a spectator sport, you should be a courteous observer and not hassle them. wink.gif
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Originally Posted by teleskier View Post

Since it was a question - I wouldn't use a Tivo if it were free at the dump recycle table. No way. Never. Or, that is, I would use it without a subscription, which means Tivo bricks it into a non-operable piece of nothingness. Can Tivo even work as a VCR for OTA? I bet not.

Original TiVos used to operate without a subscription, but none of the current models can. Even the ability to make time-based recordings gets disabled when TiVo can't call "the mothership".
post #28811 of 29213
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I've had none of the problems with the TiVo that you describe, however, I don't use the desktop program (?) and only watch HD programs which are all digital of course. I don't think we even have any analog left in the Twin Cities, OTA or cable. Mediacom is all digital now and boasts that their HD is pass-thru (no compression) but I'm suspicious about that. Although their picture is very good. Our friends is Burnsville have ComCast and I think ours is better although it's difficult to tell when they're not side-by-side on the same TV. Anyway, no analog here so I can't comment.

As for the guide, ours has always been accurate - the only problem is the occasional missed "first run" show which has happened with Rookie Blue and Flashpoint which I'm guessing aired in Canada before they were shown in the US. I'm not sure if that's TiVo's fault or TMS. Anyway, when that happens I just change the setting to ALL episodes and delete the ones I've seen.

Such problems are minor compared to the DHG. My biggest problem with that box was scheduled recordings simply disappearing from the list. It happened about once a month and on all 3 machines. I made it a point to review the schedule every Sunday and sometimes even that wasn't good enough. Now that there is no guide (and no guide "updates") that problem has disappeared.

As for drift, both the DHGs I have running seem to pick up one minute a month. To compensate I just pad the recording times. No big deal. The next time I run Izzy (probably after DST ends) I'll set the time about 3 minutes slow - assuming I'm still using the box.

Your issues could also be the result of your living in a more remote area as opposed to a big city. By the way, we're headed to the Poconos in September, so I'll try to sit on the right side of the plane and wave to Mount Carmel has we pass over.

Yoda, like Rocky Horror, has a special (sentimental) place in my heart. Star Wars is another of those "guy" things that I ended up liking. Some of the gals at work are into it too, and send me programming requests in Yoda. It helps the day move along.

Almost all cable companies use WYSIWYG (What You See Is What You Get) which means they pass the feed on to you just as they receive it. Most of the channels you receive come from the source compressed using MPEG 4 now which means the bit rate will be about 8mbps. Since most cable operators use MPEG 2, the bit rate will be around 10 to 12mbps. If the Local networks are not stat muxing additional channels then the bit rate will be around 17 to 18mbps. Joe and my ABC affiliate has a sub channel so the HD feed is around 12 to 14mpbs. Some ABC stations have Live Well so their main feed is around 8 to 9mbps. Also the local affiliates feed will be run through a groomer which strips out unnecessary data from the feed, like PSIP, to save bandwidth.
Also the bit rate can be negotiated in the retransmission agreements. This occurred in the early days with HDNet and HDNet Movies.

A 6MHz channel using 8VSB will have a payload of 19.4mbps. This is the modulation scheme used by local OTA broadcasters. A 6MHz channel using QAM256 will have a payload of 38.8mbps. This is the modulation scheme used by cable companies. So if you have two OTA affiliates that are not stat muxing any channels on their feed then the cable operator will fit two OTA channels on one of their 6 MHz channels. If a local broadcaster is stat muxing additional feeds and the cable company is only using the main feed then they can maybe fit it with two other HD channels. Like I said most of the HD channels coming from the source are already heavily compressed so it is normal for three HD channels on one 6MHz cable channel. When cable eventually goes to MPEG 4 compression then they can easily fit 4 HD channels on one 6MHz channel. Direct TV and Dish get the same feeds as the cable operators do. The only difference is the sat companies are using MPEG 4 compression and a different modulation scheme than cable does.

They really ruined the Poconos from when I was young. First it was the housing boom caused by the overflow of wall street workers in the 90's. This ended when the crash occurred so now its is a lot of vacant housing. And now it is Gasland. A friend of mine used to work on a farm and he said the farmer gave up everything and sold out to the gas companies. Most of his land is now used for storing drilling waste in huge lagoons. If it is a clear day when you fly over the Poconos it will look like connect the dots as each dot will be a well pad and the lines connecting them is pipelines. These areas used to be great for hunting and fishing when I was young but now a lot of the woods is off limits for gas production. Even ex PA governor Ed Rendell sold out to the gas companies as he now works for a law firm that represents the gas industry. He also left us with a thing called beneficial use. They use river dredgings, demolition waste, garbage, and human **** from the big cities to reclaim abandon mines sites in PA. This nonsense is what Joe and I put up with on a regular basis but the politicians wonder why the young people never come back when the finish their education.
The crap piles up so fast here that you need wings to stay above it all.
post #28812 of 29213
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Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post

For all I know, you've invited the participants of that other thread too, the one where they upgrade to the latest firmware twice a week, experiment with fans and other components, and can't seem to record daily or weekly, constantly fight the remote... But yet they continue the love fest because the price of admission is so low . . . rolleyes.gif

I find that thread very entertaining. smile.gif

post #28813 of 29213
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The only time I see contrails is to my south, so you would need to be on the left side. Small airports like Scranton-WB are cute. Parking is never an issue and to rent a car you may be told it is "outside to the right about 50 feet". But even that is bigger than Lihui, HI. At least it's a jet. Or "To fly a jet lucky you are".

I agree about the airports, especially in the Norhteast. This Pittsburgh airport is nice. Philadelphia, Newark, Largardia, JFK, and Boston are all horrible. Especially LGA and EWR terminal 2.

My husband is from NJ, he has a sister there and his mother is in New Haven. When we go to visit, we fly into HPN (Westchester County), BDL or PVD. Less hassles and also cheaper fares. The Florida airports JAX, Orlando, Tampa are pretty good.

My sister-in-law just got remarried - to a real a**h***. The upside? No more travel into EWR.

Jed1 didn't paint a very pretty picture of the Poconos, but I think we'll be OK. We're headed east of Scranton to a place called Skytop. I've never been, but H's family went there for winter break every year when he was growing up. The last time he was there was in 1981 and he's always wanted to take me. We shall see. For the cost of a single night I could buy a Premier box, so I'm hoping it's worth it.

For hunting or fishing, you folks should try Minnesota. We don't do either, but I know we have some of the best around - especially the fishing. We get lots of fisherman from out east every season. MSP is also a great airport in my opinion.

Demonfoo was the screen name of the one who said all DHG owners could fit in a large restaurant. It was a little attempt at humor on my part. A very little attempt apparently.

I also don't know what "that other thread" is. I only post to this one. When I see the post count for some members, I gasp in awe.

One thing I think all DHG owners have in common is a passionate hatred of cable company fees, especially DVR guide subscriptions. It sounds like the ones that actually opted for TiVo will only consider one with Lifetime service.
Edited by mac24 - 7/13/13 at 9:10am
post #28814 of 29213
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I agree about the airports, especially in the Norhteast. This Pittsburgh airport is nice. Philadelphia, Newark, Largardia, JFK, and Boston are all horrible. Especially LGA and EWR terminal 2.

My husband is from NJ, he has a sister there and his mother is in New Haven. When we go to visit, we fly into HPN (Westchester County), BDL or PVD. Less hassles and also cheaper fares. The Florida airports JAX, Orlando, Tampa are pretty good.

My sister-in-law just got remarried - to a real a**h***. The upside? No more travel into EWR.

Jed1 didn't paint a very pretty picture of the Poconos, but I think we'll be OK. We're headed east of Scranton to a place called Skytop. I've never been, but H's family went there for winter break every year when he was growing up. The last time he was there was in 1981 and he's always wanted to take me. We shall see. For the cost of a single night I could buy a Premier box, so I'm hoping it's worth it.

For hunting or fishing, you folks should try Minnesota. We don't do either, but I know we have some of the best around - especially the fishing. We get lots of fisherman from out east every season. MSP is also a great airport in my opinion.

Demonfoo was the screen name of the one who said all DHG owners could fit in a large restaurant. It was a little attempt at humor on my part. A very little attempt apparently.

I also don't know what "that other thread" is. I only post to this one. When I see the post count for some members, I gasp in awe.

One thing I think all DHG owners have in common is a passionate hatred of cable company fees, especially DVR guide subscriptions. It sounds like the ones that actually opted for TiVo will only consider one with Lifetime service.

The area you are visiting is ok for now as there is a freeze on drilling as that region is under the control of the Delaware River Commission. The guy that produced Gas Land and Gas Land 2 is from that area. Enjoy your visit.

My second TiVo Premiere 4 will be here on Monday and it will also have lifetime subscription. Amazon has the dual tuner Premiere for $99, the Premiere 4 for $189, and the Elite for $299. I do not know what the other thread is also. I wonder if I post in it?
post #28815 of 29213
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Jed1 didn't paint a very pretty picture of the Poconos, but I think we'll be OK. We're headed east of Scranton to a place called Skytop. I've never been, but H's family went there for winter break every year when he was growing up. The last time he was there was in 1981 and he's always wanted to take me. We shall see. For the cost of a single night I could buy a Premier box, so I'm hoping it's worth it.

For hunting or fishing, you folks should try Minnesota. We don't do either, but I know we have some of the best around - especially the fishing. We get lots of fisherman from out east every season. MSP is also a great airport in my opinion.

I also don't know what "that other thread" is. I only post to this one. When I see the post count for some members, I gasp in awe.

One thing I think all DHG owners have in common is a passionate hatred of cable company fees, especially DVR guide subscriptions. It sounds like the ones that actually opted for TiVo will only consider one with Lifetime service.

NE Pennsylvania has bad spots and good spots. Our current Governor is next to last in popularity across the country. Let's see: outside with bugs, dirt and rain vs. inside watching a recording. I'll give that some thought. rolleyes.gif

 

Google Skytop for ton's of information. All I can promise is that it should be really dark at night. Probably foggy too. And humid. Very humid.

 

The other thread is easy to find. Just click on the HDTV Recorders link and it will be in the top five and the newest piece of hardware.

 

Color me stupid, but I don't have a lifetime. I bought the TiVo not knowing if I was going to like it. It fills a gap, like the Sony and Magnavox and TVix and BV-980H amd LG LST3410a and... well you get the idea. I don't have a problem with cable company fees. I do have a problem with some idiot on TV telling me inflation is very low. That tells me he (and it always seems to be a "he) doesn't go to the store to buy food.

post #28816 of 29213
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

NE Pennsylvania has bad spots and good spots. Our current Governor is next to last in popularity across the country. Let's see: outside with bugs, dirt and rain vs. inside watching a recording. I'll give that some thought. rolleyes.gif


Google Skytop for ton's of information. All I can promise is that it should be really dark at night. Probably foggy too. And humid. Very humid.

The other thread is easy to find. Just click on the HDTV Recorders link and it will be in the top five and the newest piece of hardware.

Color me stupid, but I don't have a lifetime. I bought the TiVo not knowing if I was going to like it. It fills a gap, like the Sony and Magnavox and TVix and BV-980H amd LG LST3410a and... well you get the idea. I don't have a problem with cable company fees. I do have a problem with some idiot on TV telling me inflation is very low. That tells me he (and it always seems to be a "he) doesn't go to the store to buy food.

I assume the "other device" is the company that does drywall work also.

I cracked up laughing about the inflation remark as that is one thing that gets my blood pressure up quickly. I love it when they say inflation is low if you exclude food and energy. Well that is the only thing I can really buy anymore is food and energy. I also get annoyed about jobs created and the number of jobs that go unfilled. Where is all these jobs at and where are the jobs that go unfilled. And most importantly how much do these so called jobs pay?
If you are interested Joe Amazon has the 500 gig TiVo Premiere for $99 right now and the Premiere 4 for $189.99. I used the PLSR code when I activated my first TiVo and I got $100 of the lifetime subscription. But you have to activate it online do not call as they won't give you the $100 off.
post #28817 of 29213
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I assume the "other device" is the company that does drywall work also.

I cracked up laughing about the inflation remark as that is one thing that gets my blood pressure up quickly. I love it when they say inflation is low if you exclude food and energy. Well that is the only thing I can really buy anymore is food and energy. I also get annoyed about jobs created and the number of jobs that go unfilled. Where is all these jobs at and where are the jobs that go unfilled. And most importantly how much do these so called jobs pay?
If you are interested Joe Amazon has the 500 gig TiVo Premiere for $99 right now and the Premiere 4 for $189.99. I used the PLSR code when I activated my first TiVo and I got $100 of the lifetime subscription. But you have to activate it online do not call as they won't give you the $100 off.

The drywall company (I think) makes the PHD-VRX. The low-entry fee device is the iView 3500STB. I think TiVo can concentrate on cable and leave OTA to everyone else. There seems to be a CM7400 replacement now also (CM K77 and OTA only). It's scary out there. 

 

Yet Gov. Rick Perry is roaming the country trying to get companies move to Texas. More [gender specific] comments omitted.

 

I promised myself I wouldn't buy more stuff for a while. I just gave my 1995 Neon away to a needy couple. Oil is rising (fear factor) and my fuel oil jumped 10 cents a gallon today. Expect August to be bad for energy. My sister is mad since there is no listing or For Sale sign on my place. The future isn't too bright. My nextdoor neighbor made an offer so he could tear it down to keep "bad" people from renting it, in case I have to move out. I'm not sure Mt. Carmel has its own meth lab yet or if people still need to drive to Hazleton. [joke]


Edited by JoeKustra - 7/13/13 at 11:33am
post #28818 of 29213
You are correct that ePVision is the drywall company. Everyone seems to have given up on the PHD-VRX, as ePVision isn't releasing new firmware revisions anymore. The iView is getting attention instead, although its firmware updates are just as useless. It still isn't even smart enough to know that there are seven days in a week, so "weekly" timers will record once every six days, or something like that. rolleyes.gif
post #28819 of 29213
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You are correct that ePVision is the drywall company. Everyone seems to have given up on the PHD-VRX, as ePVision isn't releasing new firmware revisions anymore. The iView is getting attention instead, although its firmware updates are just as useless. It still isn't even smart enough to know that there are seven days in a week, so "weekly" timers will record once every six days, or something like that. rolleyes.gif

I try really really hard not to comment on products I don't own. I don't even like to give advice on junk I do own. I feel everyone should treat their DVR purchase as a learning experience. I have a Japanese car (my first). It runs great and I can't complain about the value. But I would never buy another one because I just don't like it. Very subjective and personal I know, but so is hanging onto the DHG after so many have just given up.

post #28820 of 29213
Could iView be taking lessons from Sony?

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Originally Posted by nickle2 View Post

I wonder if anyone at iView reads this thread or is it all for deaf ears.
VB was corresponding with Robert Chui of iView,
No news recently from VB on any future FW releases.
I hope they have not given up. If so, then why are we all still here?
You can only beat a dead horse for so long, it then starts to stink., and you have to walk away.

Sound familiar?
post #28821 of 29213
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

The drywall company (I think) makes the PHD-VRX. The low-entry fee device is the iView 3500STB. I think TiVo can concentrate on cable and leave OTA to everyone else. There seems to be a CM7400 replacement now also (CM K77 and OTA only). It's scary out there. 

Yet Gov. Rick Perry is roaming the country trying to get companies move to Texas. More [gender specific] comments omitted.

I promised myself I wouldn't buy more stuff for a while. I just gave my 1995 Neon away to a needy couple. Oil is rising (fear factor) and my fuel oil jumped 10 cents a gallon today. Expect August to be bad for energy. My sister is mad since there is no listing or For Sale sign on my place. The future isn't too bright. My nextdoor neighbor made an offer so he could tear it down to keep "bad" people from renting it, in case I have to move out. I'm not sure Mt. Carmel has its own meth lab yet or if people still need to drive to Hazleton. [joke]

I just was looking at the IView thread and glutton for punishment comes to mind. I don't know but the skeptic in me is just waiting to hear an announcement from TiVo that they are exiting the consumer DVR market now that I finally got one:(

I was going to say if Texas needs some fracking they can have PA's but it looks like they got that market cornered there as well.

We sold my elderly mothers car this spring and bought a new box spring and mattress. This also bought the first TiVo. The second TiVo is being bought from the savings of not having to insure and maintain the car anymore. I suspect by next year the savings from not having the extra car will be absorbed by never ending price hikes on the necessities. The lock in price for heating oil is $3.30/gallon. I am hoping the bottom falls out of the economy to get heating oil prices back down to more normal prices again which is below $2/gallon.
If your sister is selling the house for more than 10 to 15 thousand it will never sell as banks will not assess the properties around here for anymore. You will also have to find somebody that will be willing to live here and also be eligible to borrow money from the banks. They also most have at least 20% to put down as this is the minimum the banks require. The only way a slumlord will buy anything is if it is a sale for back taxes or a foreclosure.
They just uncovered a meth lab in Barnesville this morning. I suspect that there are a few operating in Mt Carmel but haven't been discovered yet.
I am thinking of setting up a dummy LLC and moving my property into it. This way if I decide to flee for greener pastures the state can't come after my income under the blight law. My mom and dad bought this house for $7500 over 40 years ago and according to the bank they assessed it at $8000 last year. I am hoping the house next to me falls down or burns down before the insurance company decides not to insure these properties anymore. If this does happen it will be like hitting the lottery. I am looking at moving to Tennessee as they have been attracting some European auto manufacturers that pay real well.
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The other thread is easy to find. Just click on the HDTV Recorders link and it will be in the top five and the newest piece of hardware.

Color me stupid, but I don't have a lifetime.

"Entertaining" is an understatement. But it sounds like something you could "tinker" with, Joe. I won't be posting there of course, although I might enjoy sparring with nickel2:

"First off it is nickle2 Not.... Nicole2. I'm just too old, mean, and nasty for anyone to refer to me with a girls name."

What's he got against girl's names? I have one.

I have nothing against monthly fees, either, and wouldn't color you stupid in any case. However ...

When I buy a piece of electronics, I expect it to last about 5 years. After that, I assume it will either be worn out or (more likely) technology will have provided a better alternative that I want. When the DHG came out, it was about $350 at Best Buy and cable DVR's were $15/month. So the decision was made.

Since November I've learned that in 2005 some folks spent $800 for a DHG 250 and $1000 for a 500. That's crazy. You'd have to go 5 years just to break even. I realize that the DHG lasted 8 years but I would never have predicted that. I would have opted for $15/mo. subscription over the Sony had it been much more than I paid. Spending $1000 on any DVR - with technology being what it is - that's just nuts.

I should never have brought up the Poconos. Obviously a sore subject. But when I signed up, I was told not to talk politics. So I won't.
post #28823 of 29213
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I just was looking at the IView thread and glutton for punishment comes to mind. I don't know but the skeptic in me is just waiting to hear an announcement from TiVo that they are exiting the consumer DVR market now that I finally got one:(

If your sister is selling the house for more than 10 to 15 thousand it will never sell as banks will not assess the properties around here for anymore. You will also have to find somebody that will be willing to live here and also be eligible to borrow money from the banks. They also most have at least 20% to put down as this is the minimum the banks require. The only way a slumlord will buy anything is if it is a sale for back taxes or a foreclosure.
 

She wants 30k per side. That's a joke of course. Just to bring the other side up to code as a rental would probably be 20k. Moving there wouldn't kill me, but having to make another "man cave" would not be a good thing.

 

I don't worry about TiVo going commercial. I do worry that MPEG-4 or scrambling will kill the DHG before it dies a natural death. If there is a decision on whether to get a cable card for the DHG or get a newer TiVo I would have to think long and hard. For now, I'll keep my eyes open but head in the sand.

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Since November I've learned that in 2005 some folks spent $800 for a DHG 250 and $1000 for a 500. That's crazy. You'd have to go 5 years just to break even. I realize that the DHG lasted 8 years but I would never have predicted that. I would have opted for $15/mo. subscription over the Sony had it been much more than I paid. Spending $1000 on any DVR - with technology being what it is - that's just nuts.

Nuts? Maybe. The street prices were $600 & $800 respectively for the 250 & 500. Keep in mind that in 2005 there was NO HD-DVR for OTA people. The only other way to record HD was the D-VHS, at least AFAIK. TiVo hadn't released the series 3 yet. I don't know if any cable/sat providers were offering HD recorders yet. I don't think so. So it wasn't like there was a whole bunch of options. Of course, as soon as Sony discontinued the DHGs, the prices fell like a ton of rocks, so those of us who did buy early on were feeling a bit disgruntled. rolleyes.gif
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You are correct that ePVision is the drywall company. Everyone seems to have given up on the PHD-VRX, as ePVision isn't releasing new firmware revisions anymore. The iView is getting attention instead, although its firmware updates are just as useless. It still isn't even smart enough to know that there are seven days in a week, so "weekly" timers will record once every six days, or something like that. rolleyes.gif

I personally don't think that there is going to be a DVR that will truly take on the TiVo especially for a cheap price. I noticed that there seems to be a core group of members who buy these junkers with the hopes that somehow they will do everything they want. You figure with the cost of these devices and the large amount of time mucking around with them it would be much cheaper and easier to just get a TiVo and be done with it. The only way a Chinese company will make a decent DVR is to totally rip off the TiVo, other wise I think the Chinese are purposely ripping off American consumers.
The DHG was the closest DVR to compete with the TiVo and it probably gave the TiVo a run for its money at that time. Also remember the original price for the DHG was $1000. I just payed $600 for a Premiere 4. That is not bad for a device that can record 4 cable channels at once compared to the DHG's one channel at a time.
I used to have the same level of enthusiasm when I first started with HD many years ago but I slowly learned my lesson with each painful step forward. I just wait a while to see how things play out before I decide to purchase anything anymore. This saves me a lot of money and time.
Now as long as TiVo doesn't announce that they are exiting the consumer DVR market I will be happy.biggrin.gif
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She wants 30k per side. That's a joke of course. Just to bring the other side up to code as a rental would probably be 20k. Moving there wouldn't kill me, but having to make another "man cave" would not be a good thing.

I don't worry about TiVo going commercial. I do worry that MPEG-4 or scrambling will kill the DHG before it dies a natural death. If there is a decision on whether to get a cable card for the DHG or get a newer TiVo I would have to think long and hard. For now, I'll keep my eyes open but head in the sand.

It would be a miracle if somebody paid that price but you never know as the old saying goes there is one born every minute. I suspect it will be a new TiVo as the DHG will be done when MPEG 4 gets here. This is the main reason why I got two TiVos as my two Pioneer Kuros can't decrypt an MPEG 4 stream and I also own the two cablecards.
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I assume the "other device" is the company that does drywall work also.

I cracked up laughing about the inflation remark as that is one thing that gets my blood pressure up quickly. I love it when they say inflation is low if you exclude food and energy. Well that is the only thing I can really buy anymore is food and energy. I also get annoyed about jobs created and the number of jobs that go unfilled. Where is all these jobs at and where are the jobs that go unfilled. And most importantly how much do these so called jobs pay?
If you are interested Joe Amazon has the 500 gig TiVo Premiere for $99 right now and the Premiere 4 for $189.99. I used the PLSR code when I activated my first TiVo and I got $100 of the lifetime subscription. But you have to activate it online do not call as they won't give you the $100 off.

Well-I live in Michigan and work for one of the Big 3 Auto Companies and Michigan experienced a "lost decade" throughout the 2000's. People/talent left the state of Michigan for greener pastures and of course the bankruptcies happened for some of the car makers. Well, now things are looking a lot brighter, and I can tell you for a fact that there are very good paying jobs left unfilled (for engineers) because I see some of the nin-com-poop's they have brought in as contract engineers and I have to work with them. Mind you these guys supposedly had 20+ years experience at the likes of Ford and retired and came back to work. Some of these guys are soo bad they couldnt tell you anything about the vehicle development process when they supposedly had 2 decades experience. No-much talent left Michigan, likely never to come back.

So there are jobs out there, and very highly paid ones at that.

Back when the DHG came out, I was worried about my job and my employer going belly up (they later were rescued) and refraining from purchasing a Sony out of fear for the future.
After 2008, I ended up playing "catch-up" and picked up 2 new 250's off ebay. The Sony is a nicely built machine, too bad the TVGuide protocol is proprietary preventing someone from making a PSIP-TVG bitstream converter or similar device to re-enable guide functionality...
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Since November I've learned that in 2005 some folks spent $800 for a DHG 250 and $1000 for a 500. That's crazy. You'd have to go 5 years just to break even. I realize that the DHG lasted 8 years but I would never have predicted that. I would have opted for $15/mo. subscription over the Sony had it been much more than I paid. Spending $1000 on any DVR - with technology being what it is - that's just nuts.

I should never have brought up the Poconos. Obviously a sore subject. But when I signed up, I was told not to talk politics. So I won't.

I started my naive quest with HD for everything back in 2004 and everything was expensive and outdated quickly but I didn't know that yet. I have to admit it was quite exciting but after a while it became frustrating and tiring as everything became problematic. The crash of the housing market in 2008 didn't help matters any and the CE industry is still reeling from that incident. Ironically it was around 2004 that Sony's electronics division was the last time it operated in the black.

You will see how nice the Poconos are as where you are going hasn't been ruined yet. Any PA leader should know better as where Joe and I live and most of western PA has been ravaged by a century of unregulated coal mining. Yes the commonwealth prospered from the mining but all that fails in comparison from the steep cost it has left behind today. It wasn't wrong to bring up the Poconos as maybe you will learn not to do this where you live. Also if they do mess up the Poconos you can be a witness to its decline.wink.gif
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The street prices were $600 & $800 respectively for the 250 & 500. Keep in mind that in 2005 there was NO HD-DVR for OTA people. The only other way to record HD was the D-VHS, at least AFAIK.

Back then, there probably wasn't much HD to record in many markets, either, considering stations didn't have to go digital until 2009. If you want to be an early adopter of a particular technology, you must be willing to pay the price.
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I personally don't think that there is going to be a DVR that will truly take on the TiVo especially for a cheap price.
That depends on how you define a worthy challenger to TiVo. TiVo has successfully managed to convince most viewers that its business model facilitates the best DVR design, which makes it hard for other companies that use a different business model to compete. The market isn't really big enough to have multiple subscription-based DVRs in play; the only reason more options than TiVo exist at all is due to various pay-TV companies managing to implement proprietary DVRs that only function on their networks. If you look at the Australian market, in contrast, there are multiple DVR options available, because other companies still saw a business opportunity, even in a country where TiVo operates.
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The only way a Chinese company will make a decent DVR is to totally rip off the TiVo, other wise I think the Chinese are purposely ripping off American consumers.

Uh oh! They've gotten to you, too. wink.gif
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Skytop had a great golf course last time I was there...especially if you like really hilly courses. There are also about half a dozen courses withing 20 miles of Skytop if you have the time. Usually this time of year, you'll find more wild life on the courses than golfers.

That area gets very crowded around October when they actually start bussing people in to watch the leaves change colors... I thought it was a joke at first, but it's not. It is actually very picturesque, but we see it all the time. I guess for out of towners from the big city it must be a thrill.
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