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post #29071 of 29213
Now that I got your attention - there are other strategies (other than the zipper shoes approach) with which to keep these units dirt side up. Another favorite is to take all your unused electronic devices - which though consigned to just gathering dust - do possess the uncommon (as far as Sony is concerned) trait of providing a functioning and adjustable clock. So - you set the three / four - or more time variables you need to track in order to be able to successfully set up a timer recording of Dancing in the Bars - //. In any event Sony has not got the better of us. Excuse me - my zipper is stuck and all my timers are flashing.
Barry
post #29072 of 29213
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Originally Posted by bardot861 View Post

Hi All:

Been using my 500 - successfully these past many months. Whenever power was lost - rebooted and front panel clock would lose abt a half hour. Would count panel time variation from actual time - and set timer recordings accordingly. Unit rock solid - with all timer recordings spot on. Until daylight savings time here in NorthEast. I thought could just reduce timer recordings by one hour and that would put me where needed to be for those programs in schedule list. Did not work out that way. The schedule clock - lost an hour (Fall - Back) on it's own?? causing recordings to be off. And there is now a one hour difference between front panel clock and the schedule clock. Think will have to buy shoes with zipper closure so I can get to toes as well as fingers to keep up with the 'hour variations' - or looked at another way - worse comes to worse - can "Shut the damn TV and come to bed".
Regards.
Barry

You seem to be saying your internal date was still accurate. If so, the internal switch day has probably not changed and March 2014 should have no effects.

post #29073 of 29213
Just popping in. My DHG500 has been running fine for me all these months after Rovi.

The only wrinkle was one I needlessly caused myself around daylight savings. Thinking that it was the now-missing Rovi datastream that had adjusted DSL in the DHG clock, I manually edited every entry in my big recording schedule to start and stop an hour later since my DHG is one day behind the real time.

So when the next day came around, the champ of a DHG automatically adjusted its clock time for DSL - all by itself.

I would have been fine if I let the unit be. All I had to do was wait for it to catch up to the real date of the DSL change - no schedule changes needed. I did the extra work for nothing, and then had to re-edit to put the schedule back to the way it was.

So my tip for the next DSL change - is just wait for the unit to catch up.

It's still a great little DVR and fits my needs perfectly. (And I can continue my moral ban on Tivo).
post #29074 of 29213
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

I'm glad you had a nice time. Explaining the DST transition can be hard. At noon today I set my time to 1/20/13. I still have 3/10/2013 as the DST transition time. I can't be sure what the DHG will do when it thinks it is time to change. You can tell if it cares if you still have listings (all as "no listing" of course.) It might have two 2AM listings on Saturday night. Just a guess. I still haven't had time to finish my "man cave", so no AVR and I'm sleeping on the couch. I should finish the insulation & drapes tomorrow and then start rebuilding my stuff.
Since I have a [3] and a DST date and nothing happened to my clock today until I changed it, I think you are good. But I have never reached the DST date either, so it probably means nothing.

One again, Joe, your advise is spot on.

My DHG now thinks it's Friday November 1 2013. As I look ahead in the Listings, on Sunday morning (November 3) it lists 1:00 AM, 1:30 AM, and then another 1:00 AM - followed by the anticipated sequence.

So it will now be necessary for me to adjust my schedule a second time. No big deal, as I only have a couple of manual entries.

This seems to run counter to the prior post by Teleskier, but perhaps I'm not reading it correctly. My DHG clock is now 1 hour fast, by I would expect it to be close to correct on Sunday morning. I'll post again if otherwise.

Thanks again! smile.gif
Edited by mac24 - 11/15/13 at 11:47am
post #29075 of 29213
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Originally Posted by mac24 View Post

One again, Joe, your advise is spot on.

My DHG now thinks it's Friday November 1 2013. As I look ahead in the Listings, on Sunday morning (November 3) it lists 1:00 AM, 1:30 AM, and then another 1:00 AM - followed by the anticipated sequence.

So it will now be necessary for me to adjust my schedule a second time. No big deal, as I only have a couple of manual entries.

This seems to run counter to the prior post by Teleskier, but perhaps I'm not reading it correctly. My DHG clock is now 1 hour fast, by I would expect it to be close to correct on Sunday morning. I'll post again if otherwise.

Thanks again! smile.gif

You should at least have the right day right time if the DHG rolls back an hour...wink.gif My DHG thinks it Oct 30 so I will wait on your DST to determine my course of action. eek.gif
post #29076 of 29213
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Originally Posted by izzy900 View Post


You should at least have the right day right time if the DHG rolls back an hour...wink.gif My DHG thinks it Oct 30 so I will wait on your DST to determine my course of action. eek.gif

Sorry guys, but I'm not much of a test bed anymore. I recently moved so I had to switch DHG units. So my UTC[3] time is mid March now, my DST transition is 3/2013, and my TVGOS date is 2/2012. It will be a while before I need to think about the clock or date unless I have a really long power failure. I keep one working but the others are in a box. I took the easy road and bought another TiVo. The world goes on.

post #29077 of 29213
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Originally Posted by izzy900 View Post

You should at least have the right day right time if the DHG rolls back an hour...wink.gif My DHG thinks it Oct 30 so I will wait on your DST to determine my course of action. eek.gif

Did you reset your recorder 2 weeks ago? Or is your DHG time 1 hour ahead now, too?

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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

Sorry guys, but I'm not much of a test bed anymore. I recently moved so I had to switch DHG units. So my UTC[3] time is mid March now, my DST transition is 3/2013, and my TVGOS date is 2/2012. It will be a while before I need to think about the clock or date unless I have a really long power failure. I keep one working but the others are in a box. I took the easy road and bought another TiVo. The world goes on.

Here's a story: Last week we went down to FL for the first time in 7 months. The Tivo S3 would not spin up (blinking green light). Got the DHG from the garage, hooked it up, and Old Reliable saved the day (actually the week). I used the (on-line) recording calculator for the week we were there, which worked just fine. Didn't miss anything.

All that said, I just purchased a used Premier for when we head down next month for 2 months, and the DHG will be back in the garage. I'm a fan or the "easy road" myself.
post #29078 of 29213
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Originally Posted by mac24 View Post

Did you reset your recorder 2 weeks ago? Or is your DHG time 1 hour ahead now, too?

Nope, Just chased the correct DOW and time of day once, and a few resets to correct time drift. My DHG is as of today Oct 30, I was going to just reset mine to be an hour ahead the day before DST and reset my recording days.

Check that, I did do a reset for DST Nov 2, but it was an easy one cause I was freezing the DHG time for only an hour and not an entire day. Did it at 11:15 PM and restarted at 12:15 AM real time.

Edited by izzy900 - 11/16/13 at 3:27am
post #29079 of 29213
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Originally Posted by izzy900 View Post

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Originally Posted by mac24 View Post

Did you reset your recorder 2 weeks ago? Or is your DHG time 1 hour ahead now, too?

Nope, Just chased the correct DOW and time of day once, and a few resets to correct time drift. My DHG is as of today Oct 30, I was going to just reset mine to be an hour ahead the day before DST and reset my recording days.

Check that, I did do a reset for DST Nov 2, but it was an easy one cause I was freezing the DHG time for only an hour and not an entire day. Did it at 11:15 PM and restarted at 12:15 AM real time.

Well, the DHG has now past from DST to Standard Time. The FP clock did not change, but the internal clock (used for recording) moved back 1 hour.

So the two DHG clocks now differ by 1 hour, and it was necessary for me to adjust my recording times back to what they were previously. In order for the 2 clocks to sync, I'm assuming that I'll have to do another reset (not going to happen since the recording clock is now correct). If the clocks somehow sync up on their own, I'll post again.

I hope this information is useful for Mark and Izzy.
post #29080 of 29213
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Originally Posted by mac24 View Post

Well, the DHG has now past from DST to Standard Time. The FP clock did not change, but the internal clock (used for recording) moved back 1 hour.

So the two DHG clocks now differ by 1 hour, and it was necessary for me to adjust my recording times back to what they were previously. In order for the 2 clocks to sync, I'm assuming that I'll have to do another reset (not going to happen since the recording clock is now correct). If the clocks somehow sync up on their own, I'll post again.

I hope this information is useful for Mark and Izzy.

I was planning on stopping the clock for an hour like I did during DST to sync up again. But if what you say is true, I will have to wait post Nov 2nd to take any action....eek.gif
post #29081 of 29213
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Originally Posted by izzy900 View Post

I was planning on stopping the clock for an hour like I did during DST to sync up again. But if what you say is true, I will have to wait post Nov 2nd to take any action....eek.gif

Once your DHG moves past November 2, you will need to wait 6 days + 23 hours after your next reset in order to correct both the time and the day of the week.

Or you could just change your recording times ... cool.gif
post #29082 of 29213
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Originally Posted by mac24 View Post

Once your DHG moves past November 2, you will need to wait 6 days + 23 hours after your next reset in order to correct both the time and the day of the week.

Or you could just change your recording times ... cool.gif

I'm past the correct DOW for recordings, basically weekly programs can fall on any day of the week. It's just a matter of the correct weekly time for that day. It's the daily shows that can be a pain if you are not on the correct day...eek.gif You need to take into consideration that if the DOW is not right a Saturday or Sunday can fall under your daily scheduled recordings and will need to be included as a daily recording for that weekday you are substituting for..eek.gif I record too many shows on my DHG, that waiting a week is not an option. So I just substitute the days accordingly...wink.gif
post #29083 of 29213
Perhaps I have it easy where my DHG is only one day and 4 hours behind, but I've found I quickly tune into the DHG timing scheme so it becomes second nature. To record a 8pm Monday show, I put in 4pm Sunday. Painless.

Another thing that works for me is I created my own DHG_schedule spreadsheet. It does the usual such as calculate the DHG-hours-behind for me and gives me the skewed DHG times for shows, but more importantly I have the list of shows I record by title and their times. I made it in case I ever forget showtimes (ie, "What show is 1am Wed PBS?). That never happens for me (yet), but what I didn't anticipate, is how useful it is for me to have all my usual shows in a list, both spring season shows (now in light gray font color) and current fall season shows (now in bold font) listed in descending day and time for the week. When the new season starts, it quickly reminds me of the types of shows I want to watch, to make creating the new recording schedule a quick snap.

If I find something new in Zap2It, it goes right into my spreadsheet. The old grayed-out shows are helpful reminders and suggestions for the types of shows I might look for in Zap2It (next time/when I'm bored/etc).

Thus I now find that I spend much less annoying time in the Rovi screens and categories as I used to, taking forever scrolling through each letter of the alphabet x scrolling down each 1-by-1 screen-full of show titles, trying to find shows I might like. Now it's right on my spreadsheet, including suggestions.

I find the new regime still pretty much easy street (for me), some things worse (I do miss recorded shows organized by title) and some things better (less time in annoying time-sink Rovi screens). It's a wash. I'm pretty much as happy now with the DHG as I was before.

It is old reliable (so far).
post #29084 of 29213

It took me five years to get the ability to map a clear QAM channel to the guide listings. I still use a weekly MSWord file to track shows, even on the TiVo. Plus I have the Magnavox to maintain. It's my "Fox" recorder and the Sony is my "ABC" recorder.

post #29085 of 29213
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Originally Posted by mac24 View Post

Well, the DHG has now past from DST to Standard Time. The FP clock did not change, but the internal clock (used for recording) moved back 1 hour.

So the two DHG clocks now differ by 1 hour, and it was necessary for me to adjust my recording times back to what they were previously. In order for the 2 clocks to sync, I'm assuming that I'll have to do another reset (not going to happen since the recording clock is now correct). If the clocks somehow sync up on their own, I'll post again.

I hope this information is useful for Mark and Izzy.

Update on my DHG DST adjustment. I waited till 5:32 AM on Tuesday which was Nov 3rd on my DHG Nov 5 real time to do the reset. I figured the internal clock being off an hour from the front panel clock would give me a reset time somewhere around 4 to 4:30 AM as the reset target time, and I was working on Wednesday so I would have to be out of the house by 5:15 AM..rolleyes.gif Well to my surprise after doing the first FPR to get my target time, I was expecting to get a reset time around 4 to 4:30 AM, instead the target time was 3:32 AM..eek.gif The bottom line, I did the second FPR after I got my target time and before the front panel clock moved a minute ahead of 3:32 AM. I left the unit off on Tuesday with the front panel clock showing nothing but --:-- on it and waited till Wednesday 3:32 AM to power up my DHG. On Wednesday I was up by 3 AM and at 3:32:45 AM I powered up the DHG...wink.gif I used my cable box clock to get the time and waited 45 seconds after 3:32 AM to allow for time drift..rolleyes.gif What I have now is a DHG with the correct front panel time minus 20 seconds to allow for time drift and the internal clock is now in sync with the FPR...rolleyes.gif I adjusted my scheduled recordings by hitting menu, recording list left arrow to schedule, down arrow to first scheduled recording hit menu, edit recording. In my instance I was off by one day on my schedules, so I changed the day from Nov 4 to Nov 5th and the time from 11 AM to 10:59 AM (allows time drift). I continued down every scheduled recording and corrected accordingly. The daily recordings that also went from Friday to Sat and Sun, I created new manual recordings. At the bottom of the menu screen (down arrow second page at bottom) I made weekly recordings for Sat and Sun recordings that were really weekday recordings...rolleyes.gif The daily recordings are a pain if your DHG date is not spot on....biggrin.gif Trick: if you are not sure what day of week your DHG is on (after FPR), just click record button once on remote.
post #29086 of 29213
The minute I say old reliable...

I do have two minor issues with my DHG disrupting the paradise:

1 - Has anyone ever cleaned their DHG remote?

Mine is acting very sluggish around the play, pause, and FF keys. It's been driving me nuts.

It's an issue for the first 2 minutes of use - after that, the remote seems to warm up, and acts normal again.

I tried putting a lot of rubbing alcohol around the remote buttons, but I don't think it accomplished much.

Has anyone cleaned or pulled apart the remote before? I don't see any screws in my few quick tugs at the case.


2 - I was lazy and had one long 9-hour recording of everything I wanted to watch all aligned on one station - local news, national news, pre-game show, and football game.

While it was still recording the live broadcast, I started watching the first shows. The DHG started acting a little slower than usual (making me ask is it my remote or the DHG? It was the DHG), then started taking a little more time than usual to resume playing from FF->Play. Then was OK for the next 30 min show. But then on another commercial it took 45sec of hang time between FF->Play. Then was fine again.

However on the next FF->Play, the DHG hung paused for 90seconds, and stupid me I hit Play ONE and only ONE time more (thinking it was the remote) and POW - the unit powered down by itself and reset. When it powered back up three minutes later, it resumed recording the game.

But sadly, in the reboot, I missed a touchdown drive and worst - it fell another 22 minutes behind. Death by a thousand cuts...

I think I just need to stop recording such massive show lengths if I'm going to be FF/Play/FF while it is live recording. I should have broken it up into two smaller show segments.
post #29087 of 29213
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post


I can update the time via VHS tape. It does, quickly with legacy analog data, but also changes the date. That makes it less than ideal.

As for the fan, some work was done in that area due to the wide range of HDD temperatures. The fan inside the DHG pulls cool air in from the right bottom and right rear, then across the HDD, then out the left rear (only) while pushing it over the power supply.

Hi Joe,would you sell me a VHS tape of the legacy analog data?

post #29088 of 29213
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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dove View Post
 

Hi Joe,would you sell me a VHS tape of the legacy analog data?

It sounds simple but there are some factors to consider. Primarily, I am in the middle of moving into my mother's house. Other factors:

Does you VHS recorder accept and play VBI data? Both the JVC and Misubishi DIGITAL no NOT. Older, cheaper ones are best.

Just setting time may require other data, like being in my zipcode - not a big issue but that needs you to load the full TVGOS and build my lineup. (but you will never use it).

You must have .13 firmware or below.

The 9012 diags are part of the process. I guess it would be a good time for me to document that process.

Have you tried the izzy method? It works, you don't need to stay up until midnight, and it's free. I also need to hook up a cable to duplicate the tape(s). It may take two tapes. But if you are still interested, email me on gmail.com (same name).

post #29089 of 29213
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

Have you tried the izzy method? It works, you don't need to stay up until midnight, and it's free.

I would like to add that you don't really need to stay up until midnight to use the major resets, either. (I usually reset at 10:00 PM Wednesday) Just do that before you go to bed, and then use the Izzy method the next day to fine-tune the time.

- Kerry ("Spreadsheets? We don't need no stinkin' spreadsheets!")
post #29090 of 29213
Anybody know if these will work with FIOS QAM? Not sure what info is on the FIOS TV system.
post #29091 of 29213
That depends on your definition of "work". They support CableCards, so you can use them to tune encrypted cable, but the lack of TVGoS makes it impossible to set the clock without performing bloodrites during a full moon, which makes these units nothing more than glorified doorstops for all but the most stalwart enthusiasts.
post #29092 of 29213
But without a cablecard, will they receive ANY signal?

And WITH a cablecard, they'll get the channels but no usable program guide?

Thank you for answering.
post #29093 of 29213
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

It took me five years to get the ability to map a clear QAM channel to the guide listings. I still use a weekly MSWord file to track shows, even on the TiVo. Plus I have the Magnavox to maintain. It's my "Fox" recorder and the Sony is my "ABC" recorder.

And if you did not pay the monthly or lifetime TIVO fee, would you be able to set manual timers, with the TIVO keeping the correct DOW, date and time? Might that depend upon the particular model? It would be a step up, sorta, from the Sony.
post #29094 of 29213
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Originally Posted by navychop View Post


And if you did not pay the monthly or lifetime TIVO fee, would you be able to set manual timers, with the TIVO keeping the correct DOW, date and time? Might that depend upon the particular model? It would be a step up, sorta, from the Sony.

I have two TiVo units. The Sony is more of a hobby.

post #29095 of 29213
We only use the Sony about every third week now. It has become increasingly unstable. For example we can set to record by time (guessing at the time and maybe set it to record for 5 hours to catch a 2 hour show). Then about a week later we will get around to "watch" the recorded show. The last 2 or 3 months we have been doing that.....it never will turn on, cold reboot or nothing.....have to unplug a couple of minutes, plug in and let attempt what little reboot it can do.....then we can watch the recorded show. In another 3 weeks we go through that process again. Even with all that dumbness, it still has the empty grid with channel logos and all. LOL

The fan is either clogged up, or it has stopped running. I do not feel any air out of it. This old uninsulated house pier beam has ice cold floors this time of year and the Sony is close to the floor so outside the box it stays about 60 degrees. Maybe it will last a little longer with no fan - if it is not running.

I would like the Tivo with the 4 tuner OTA, but not going to spring for it now.
post #29096 of 29213
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Originally Posted by navychop View Post

But without a cablecard, will they receive ANY signal?

If your cable is encrypted, no.
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Originally Posted by navychop View Post

And WITH a cablecard, they'll get the channels but no usable program guide?

Not only will you have no guide, but your clock will also be set to a random time, meaning you'll have to use a complicated spreadsheet to figure out how to set your timers when your clock is skewed an arbitrary number of hours and minutes from the correct time.
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Originally Posted by navychop View Post

And if you did not pay the monthly or lifetime TIVO fee, would you be able to set manual timers, with the TIVO keeping the correct DOW, date and time?

No. Without a subscription, a TiVo becomes a doorstop, too. It can only tune channels and use the 30-minute live buffer. The recording functions are disabled on all of the models that support HDTV.
post #29097 of 29213
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Originally Posted by Aleron Ives View Post

If your cable is encrypted, no.
Not only will you have no guide, but your clock will also be set to a random time, meaning you'll have to use a complicated spreadsheet to figure out how to set your timers when your clock is skewed an arbitrary number of hours and minutes from the correct time.
No. Without a subscription, a TiVo becomes a doorstop, too. It can only tune channels and use the 30-minute live buffer. The recording functions are disabled on all of the models that support HDTV.

Thank you very much for taking the time to answer. I will pass this info on to someone I was looking into it for. He wants a QAM box to avoid paying a lease fee to FIOS. It seems our dear Sony DHGs will not fit his needs. Unless, maybe, he wants to pay the cablecard fee.
post #29098 of 29213
A little help here..eek.gif
Short story,
1. Picked up another DHG from EBAY HDD500
2. Swapped card from my 250 to 500 and got some channels.
3. Picked up Cable card for 500 and installed on 500.
4. Paired with cable tech and all channels working.
5. Tried to record on 500 and can only record on non encrypted channels, MLB and Military Channel.
6. Swapped cards on both DHG's, Scientific from 250 to Cisco from 500 and vice versa...eek.gif
7. No love, both Cards still would only record unencrypted channels but not Cable channels like USA,TNT,History or SYFY..eek.gif
8. Swapped Cable cards back, now my 250 refuses to record on any channels.
9. Got cable tech over to troubleshoot and replace coaxial cables and Card on 250 with another Cisco Multistream card.
Now both DHG's record only non-encrypted channels MLB and Military channels with further escalation to his supervisor for further troubleshooting..eek.gif
I would like download links to earlier firmware than 1.2.13 and also 1.2.21 so that I can further troubleshoot this problem, seems like links were removed from Sony...eek.gif
It seems like the not in lineup problem found in 1.2.21 without the notice while attempting to manual record, it would attempt recording for about 8 seconds and kick it out...eek.gif
Has anyone else on this forum experience this cablecard problem? and what is the solution?
post #29099 of 29213
I have firmware files for .13 and .21, not earlier versions. Try SpiffSpace... look at the first post or two in this thread . . .
I could always record everything I could tune with the CableCards. Does the buffer work?
post #29100 of 29213
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Originally Posted by izzy900 View Post

A little help here..eek.gif
Short story,
1. Picked up another DHG from EBAY HDD500
2. Swapped card from my 250 to 500 and got some channels.
3. Picked up Cable card for 500 and installed on 500.
4. Paired with cable tech and all channels working.
5. Tried to record on 500 and can only record on non encrypted channels, MLB and Military Channel.
6. Swapped cards on both DHG's, Scientific from 250 to Cisco from 500 and vice versa...eek.gif
7. No love, both Cards still would only record unencrypted channels but not Cable channels like USA,TNT,History or SYFY..eek.gif
8. Swapped Cable cards back, now my 250 refuses to record on any channels.
9. Got cable tech over to troubleshoot and replace coaxial cables and Card on 250 with another Cisco Multistream card.
Now both DHG's record only non-encrypted channels MLB and Military channels with further escalation to his supervisor for further troubleshooting..eek.gif
I would like download links to earlier firmware than 1.2.13 and also 1.2.21 so that I can further troubleshoot this problem, seems like links were removed from Sony...eek.gif
It seems like the not in lineup problem found in 1.2.21 without the notice while attempting to manual record, it would attempt recording for about 8 seconds and kick it out...eek.gif
Has anyone else on this forum experience this cablecard problem? and what is the solution?

If you can't find it on SpiffSpace and have a gmail.com account I can email you a copy. It's almost 20mb and most email blocks a file that big. PM me if you want it.

 

I've never used a cable card in my DHG.

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